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Title: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 03, 2009, 10:40:47 AM
I believe he was the first Mr Olympia  that turned into a big 300lb blob of shit in the "offseason"  He started the trend
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Luv_2build on March 03, 2009, 10:44:02 AM
he was bigger than everyone else, but he was not a fat blob in the offseason
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: local hero on March 03, 2009, 10:48:10 AM
dorian has at no point ever been a fat blob, ive never seen him out of shape at more than 10-12% ever!
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)


Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: MB on March 03, 2009, 10:52:22 AM
Everyone was trying to play Dorian's game, but they didn't have the genetics.  You have to do what works for you, not what somebody else is doing. 
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: pumpster on March 03, 2009, 11:13:40 AM
dorian has at no point ever been a fat blob, ive never seen him out of shape at more than 10-12% ever!

I give you the original GH man AKA the bricklayer.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: The.Giant on March 03, 2009, 11:16:16 AM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)




So Nasser ruined bodybuilding?

here he is with JP Fux
(http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3702/fuxandnasserfj8.jpg)

edit: image link because of photobucket fail
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3702/fuxandnasserfj8.jpg

edit 2: wtf, getbig is banned from photobucket?
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Wiggs on March 03, 2009, 11:17:39 AM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)




look what it got him.... 0 Olympias at least.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: DeketheCreep on March 03, 2009, 11:22:51 AM
look what it got him.... 0 Olympias at least.
it got him a lifetime schmoe by the name of bigbobs ;D
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:31:49 AM
So Nasser ruined bodybuilding?

here he is with JP Fux
(http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3702/fuxandnasserfj8.jpg)

edit: image link because of photobucket fail
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/3702/fuxandnasserfj8.jpg

edit 2: wtf, getbig is banned from photobucket?
;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Mars on March 03, 2009, 11:32:49 AM
jean pierre fux
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:33:13 AM
I give you the original GH man AKA the bricklayer.

Sorry troll first GH gut belonged to Momo  ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: MCWAY on March 03, 2009, 11:34:41 AM
I believe he was the first Mr Olympia  that turned into a big 300lb blob of shit in the "offseason"  He started the trend


Blaming Dorian Yates for the ills of 90s bodybuilding is what the folks at MD did, during their identity crisis (and eventual transformation into Muscular Development-Fitness-Health, which later became All-Natural Muscular Development).

The judges picked his physique as the best in the world. If anyone is to "blame", it would be them.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:35:06 AM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)




300lbs with abs

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: pumpster on March 03, 2009, 11:36:55 AM
Sorry troll first GH gut belonged to Momo  ;)

Schmoe, the barrel really mastered the GH/Slin cocktail. :D

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:39:22 AM
Schmoe, the barrel really mastered the GH/Slin cocktail. :D



Again troll he isn't the original gh gut like you claim , keep trolling though
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Boost on March 03, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r437/Darreningym/reardb.jpg)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Deicide on March 03, 2009, 11:41:09 AM
Icky.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:41:34 AM
(http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r437/Darreningym/reardb.jpg)

Perfect back double biceps shot , complete from head to toe .....lacks nothing
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: pumpster on March 03, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
Schmoes like the H-taper & 17" guns.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:48:13 AM
Schmoes like the H-taper & 17" guns.
   ;)

thanks for playing tranny chaser
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: DeketheCreep on March 03, 2009, 11:50:03 AM
Nobody beats ronnie in the gh gut shot
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Nobody beats ronnie in the gh gut shot

You got that right
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on March 03, 2009, 12:12:46 PM
that shit is really disgraceful, makes you appreciate guys like Freeman more who can keep their waist small.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
300lbs with abs



So what's your point?  As the other pics in this thread show you can find pics of any of the larger pros where they are breathing in and haven't yet tightened their waist and makes  their waist look large.  But here toe to toe, both Yates and Nasser are trying to hold their waist in at the same bodyweight of 270 and Yates' waist has a number of inches over Nasser's


Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:00:11 PM
So what's your point?  As the other pics in this thread show you can find pics of any of the larger pros where they are breathing in and haven't yet tightened their waist and makes  their waist look large.  But here toe to toe, both Yates and Nasser are trying to hold their waist in at the same bodyweight of 270 and Yates' waist has a number of inches over Nasser's




Yates' wasn't holding his his waist FYI read the contest report for the 97 Olympia McGough comments on this specifically , this is 1997 Dorian holding his waist tight , that particular year Dorian's gut was terrible anyway no excuses but Nasser had a massive gut as well he just held it in better
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
Nasser El Sonbaty - the first mass monster (270 + at average height) to keep the waist tight

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:03:28 PM
Yates' wasn't holding his his waist FYI read the contest report for the 97 Olympia McGough comments on this specifically , this is 1997 Dorian holding his waist tight , that particular year Dorian's gut was terrible anyway no excuses but Nasser had a massive gut as well he just held it in better

Okay so he was standing there letting his waist hang out intentionally?  ::)

And yes, I agree with you that Nasser did hold it in better and while they were both at the same bodyweight.  Thanks for supporting my point.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Immortal_Technique on March 03, 2009, 01:04:12 PM
Perfect back double biceps shot , complete from head to toe .....lacks nothing

Talk about delts overpowering arms. If we're gonna pick holes. zero back width in that shot too, thick as a brick with dense traps etc, but not much in the biceps department for a double biceps shot.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Parker on March 03, 2009, 01:04:16 PM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)




And Victor Richard would have made him looked like a kid. That's if we are talking about Off season.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:04:59 PM
Nasser El Sonbaty - the first (and only?) mass monster (270 + at average height) to keep the waist tight



What does tight mean? he held his gut in?
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:06:31 PM
And Victor Richard would have made him looked like a kid. That's if we are talking about Off season.


You are delusional to think offseason Vic was bigger than offseason Nasser
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:07:26 PM
Talk about delts overpowering arms. If we're gonna pick holes. zero back width in that shot too, thick as a brick with dense traps etc, but not much in the biceps department for a double biceps shot.

keep looking maybe you'll find something to call a ' flaw ' to unbiased and people who know how poses are judged that is as good as it gets
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:09:08 PM
What does tight mean? he held his gut in?

Yes, his waist was not out of control like the other mass monsters such that he was able to hold it in when posing

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:10:11 PM
Nasser El Sonbaty - the first mass monster (270 + at average height) to keep the waist tight



Sorry that was already taken by Victor Richards in the 80s  ;) and I don't know about CA but the average hight in the USA is 5'9" Vic is right around that with a small tight waist at 270 pounds , thanks for playing tough
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
Yes, his waist was not out of control like the other mass monsters such that he was able to hold it in when posing



It was there just in control . o.k thanks for clarifying that
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
Sorry that was already taken by Victor Richards in the 80s  ;) and I don't know about CA but the average hight in the USA is 5'9" Vic is right around that with a small tight waist at 270 pounds , thanks for playing tough

hahaha I expected you to be smarter than the type to give in to the Vic Richards 270 lbs @ 5'9" hype
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: JasonH on March 03, 2009, 01:11:48 PM
Victor was a damn good bodybuilder - shame he didn't compete against the top guys.  :-\
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Palpatine Q on March 03, 2009, 01:12:13 PM
Nasser just has a shitty look to his physique, now matter how big he is.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:12:43 PM
It was there just in control . o.k thanks for clarifying that

Unlike Yates who could not keep it in control even at 270, let alone 289 like Nasser was at the 99 Arnold Classic

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:13:27 PM
Victor was a damn good bodybuilder - shame he didn't compete against the top guys.  :-\

He would have been "left for the dead"
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: JasonH on March 03, 2009, 01:16:33 PM
He would have been "left for the dead"

Still would have been good to see how high he would have placed in an Olympia.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:16:51 PM
hahaha I expected you to be smarter than the type to give in to the Vic Richards 270 lbs @ 5'9" hype

That's your response?
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:17:40 PM
Still would have been good to see how high he would have placed in an Olympia.

The reason he never competed was to maintain the mystique as to how he would have placed had he competed, and people like you fall for that. 
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: SargeJohn on March 03, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Dorian is completely the wrong person to take any blame. He was the champion...he wasn't the one making decisions who would win Mr O's. Different people are responsible for bodybuilding's current state. Also it is very boring to read these religious endless arguments about Nasser and Dorian. The thing is that you people (in this case) don't even care about Dorian or Nasser...for you they're just tools which you use to argue brainlessly.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Parker on March 03, 2009, 01:20:06 PM
You are delusional to think offseason Vic was bigger than offseason Nasser

Dude, your Delusional Period, take a look at that vid. Vic, was genetic phenom. He liked lifting weights, he was bigger than 99.9% of getbiggers at age 17 and had the muscle (and pics) to prove it.

He just didn't like getting in shape. And, Paul Dillett was bigger than Nasser as well.  

And by the way, I have a question, you always talk about "Great Arab Genetics", but every female you post up that you claim is signif other, is either blonde or brunette white chick ( or a if they are arab, they aren't brown, or they are very Euro looking) . What's the deal, about bangin' Arab woman? It seems that Arab men in thongs, have great arab genetics, but arab women don't have the genes for you liking  
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: QuakerOats on March 03, 2009, 01:20:21 PM
I give you the original GH man AKA the bricklayer.
;D
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
Unlike Yates who could not keep it in control even at 270, let alone 289 like Nasser was at the 99 Arnold Classic



270 pounds , in control  ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: QuakerOats on March 03, 2009, 01:22:14 PM
Dude, your Delusional Period, take a look at that vid. Vic, was genetic phenom. He liked lifting weights, he was bigger than 99.9% of getbiggers at age 17 and had the muscle (and pics) to prove it.

He just didn't like getting in shape. And, Paul Dillett was bigger than Nasser as well.  

And by the way, I have a question, you always talk about "Great Arab Genetics", but every female you post up that you claim is signif other, is either blonde or brunette white chick ( or a if they are arab, they aren't brown, or they are very Euro looking) . What's the deal, about bangin' Arab woman? It seems that Arab men in thongs, have great arab genetics, but arab women don't have the genes for you liking  
epic hypocrisy, you do the exact same thing when it comes to black bodybuilders. ::)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: wild willie on March 03, 2009, 01:23:57 PM
let's just agree that none of us like to see bloated stomachs and torn bodyparts.

that is not what bodybuilding was meant to be about.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
He just didn't like getting in shape. And, Paul Dillett was bigger than Nasser as well.  

 ::)

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:25:26 PM
Dude, your Delusional Period, take a look at that vid. Vic, was genetic phenom. He liked lifting weights, he was bigger than 99.9% of getbiggers at age 17 and had the muscle (and pics) to prove it.

He just didn't like getting in shape. And, Paul Dillett was bigger than Nasser as well.  

And by the way, I have a question, you always talk about "Great Arab Genetics", but every female you post up that you claim is signif other, is either blonde or brunette white chick ( or a if they are arab, they aren't brown, or they are very Euro looking) . What's the deal, about bangin' Arab woman? It seems that Arab men in thongs, have great arab genetics, but arab women don't have the genes for you liking  

 ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:25:57 PM
Dorian is completely the wrong person to take any blame. He was the champion...he wasn't the one making decisions who would win Mr O's. Different people are responsible for bodybuilding's current state. Also it is very boring to read these religious endless arguments about Nasser and Dorian. The thing is that you people (in this case) don't even care about Dorian or Nasser...for you they're just tools which you use to argue brainlessly.

I'm good friends with Nasser.  Check out the "Nasser Nights" thread.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: JasonH on March 03, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
The reason he never competed was to maintain the mystique as to how he would have placed had he competed, and people like you fall for that. 

Victor didn't have any "mystique" - everyone knew he was running scared of the big boys. Especially when he went over to Nigeria and beat a bunch of 160lbers. He fooled no-one.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:28:09 PM
epic hypocrisy, you do the exact same thing when it comes to black bodybuilders. ::)

And the difference is I'm not even Arab!  So their argument that I support Nasser because is Arab is retarded.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:29:02 PM
Victor didn't have any "mystique" - everyone knew he was running scared of the big boys. Especially when he went over to Nigeria and beat a bunch of 160lbers. He fooled no-one.

Except you and ND  :-\

Sorry that was already taken by Victor Richards in the 80s  ;) and I don't know about CA but the average hight in the USA is 5'9" Vic is right around that with a small tight waist at 270 pounds , thanks for playing tough

Victor was a damn good bodybuilder - shame he didn't compete against the top guys.  :-\
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: QuakerOats on March 03, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
And the difference is I'm not even Arab!  So their argument that I support Nasser because is Arab is retarded.
exactly.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: SargeJohn on March 03, 2009, 01:31:41 PM
I'm good friends with Nasser.  Check out the "Nasser Nights" thread.
I believe you...however these arguments don't "solve" anything...so in that case the guys are some kind of tools for you. That's what I meant when I wrote "in this case", I didn't mean that these two champions couldn't be important to you otherwise...Well I didn't put it very clearly. :)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:32:29 PM
Except you and ND  :-\


point still stands , Victor was bigger than Nasser and kept a smaller tight waist

5'9" 270 pounds in EIGHTIES  ;) first true mass monster
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:33:29 PM
point still stands , Victor was bigger than Nasser and kept a smaller tight waist

5'9" 270 pounds in EIGHTIES  ;) first true mass monster

250 MAX in contest shape
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Parker on March 03, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
::)



I like how you constantly post the same pic, where Nasser is hitting a shot, and Paul hasn't hit it yet. And you can see Nasser is cruching down in the pse, whereas Paul's abs, are not posed, but are extended. But the Pic does show how big Paul is compare to Nasser, even though, it is at a angle, and how small Paul's waist is and the should to waist diff is off the meter.

;)

Esactly ND...
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
250 MAX in contest shape

Says YOU he's 275 in that pic and looks hard as nails
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:39:42 PM
Says YOU he's 275 in that pic and looks hard as nails

LMAO what else do you believe, that Kovacs had 26" arms?  ::)  Or was it 28" that your buddy suckmymuscle claimed?
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 03, 2009, 01:41:02 PM
I like how you constantly post the same pic, where Nasser is hitting a shot, and Paul hasn't hit it yet. And you can see Nasser is cruching down in the pse, whereas Paul's abs, are not posed, but are extended. But the Pic does show how big Paul is compare to Nasser, even though, it is at a angle, and how small Paul's waist is and the should to waist diff is off the meter.

Esactly ND...

Paul was taller than Nasser yes, bigger? NO.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: BIG_STI on March 03, 2009, 01:42:38 PM
250 MAX in contest shape

He doesn't have 20lbs of oil in his shoulders and arms.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 01:44:55 PM
LMAO what else do you believe, that Kovacs had 26" arms?  ::)  Or was it 28" that your buddy suckmymuscle claimed?

Again you have proof to the contrary? feel free to post it , now only Nasser can be 275 pounds lmfao I could worse I could believe Nasser El Sonbaty beats Dorian in a back shot LMFAO

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Hulkster on March 03, 2009, 02:00:24 PM
Talk about delts overpowering arms. If we're gonna pick holes. zero back width in that shot too, thick as a brick with dense traps etc, but not much in the biceps department for a double biceps shot.

exactly.

ND thinks that because his arms were only "mediocre" as opposed to 'awful' that the back shot 'lacks nothing'

 ::)

ronnie's was much better anyway: even with no calves: from the knees up, he kills dorian:
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: d0nny2600 on March 03, 2009, 02:04:06 PM
exactly.

ND thinks that because his arms were only "mediocre" as opposed to 'awful' that the back shot 'lacks nothing'

 ::)

ronnie's was much better anyway: even with no calves: from the knees up, he kills dorian:
::)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
exactly.

ND thinks that because his arms were only "mediocre" as opposed to 'awful' that the back shot 'lacks nothing'

 ::)

ronnie's was much better anyway: even with no calves: from the knees up, he kills dorian:

His arms weren't mediocre his biceps were , his triceps & forearms are outstanding  ;)

No calves , no balance & proportion , Dorian's at least 20 pounds heavier and just as hard it's no wonder why Ronnie said on many occasions he couldn't beat Dorian  ;D
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: d0nny2600 on March 03, 2009, 02:08:43 PM
His arms weren't mediocre his biceps were , his triceps & forearms are outstanding  ;)

No calves , no balance & proportion , Dorian's at least 20 pounds heavier and just as hard it's no wonder why Ronnie said on many occasions he couldn't beat Dorian  ;D
Correct as usual.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 02:12:15 PM
He doesn't have 20lbs of oil in his shoulders and arms.

That's ' scar tissue '
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Parker on March 03, 2009, 04:51:46 PM
Paul was taller than Nasser yes, bigger? NO.

Paul competed at 275-285.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: superthick on March 03, 2009, 05:53:48 PM
nasser is and always wil be the biggest fuck up in bbing, he was the one who abused synthol, he looked like shit his whole career.
and he has been crying about not winning a show from ovr 10 years ago...
3 times at least wife beating oily mess, who troll all day on getbig..
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: pumpster on March 03, 2009, 05:58:35 PM
Yates making Flea look like Sergio.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 05:59:20 PM
nasser is and always wil be the biggest fuck up in bbing, he was the one who abused synthol, he looked like shit his whole career.
and he has been crying about not winning a show from ovr 10 years ago...
3 times at least wife beating oily mess, who troll all day on getbig..

ouch lol that's gonna hurt
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 03, 2009, 06:04:52 PM
Yates making Flea look like Sergio.

wow that must means it's true  ::)

so easy to correct the trolls
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: wild willie on March 26, 2009, 12:11:01 PM
Lee Labrada could hang with the big boys...... PERIOD....... MASS WITH CLASS BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: pumpster on March 26, 2009, 12:20:36 PM
wow that must means it's true  ::)




TERRIBLE example as usual from our schmoe-Yates so smooth there you can skate on him, Labrada shredded lol
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: LurkyLurker on March 26, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
hahaha I expected you to be smarter than the type to give in to the Vic Richards 270 lbs @ 5'9" hype

You're right, Bobs, it's impossible to imagine that this guy could have possibly weighed anywhere near 270. Where would you put him? 210 maybe? So long as he's not within 50 pounds of Nasser we're safe, right?
(http://galeriekulturistiky.webz.cz/richards/Vic%20Richards%2014.jpg)

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 01:34:15 PM
You're right, Bobs, it's impossible to imagine that this guy could have possibly weighed anywhere near 270. Where would you put him? 210 maybe? So long as he's not within 50 pounds of Nasser we're safe, right?
(http://galeriekulturistiky.webz.cz/richards/Vic%20Richards%2014.jpg)



First of all I hope you realize that picture above is photoshopped

If he's 5'9" he looks about 230ish in contest shape - about Wheeler's size.  Vic was much more narrow than Nasser, and a few inches shorter too, so yes he would be much lighter.  Even though in the pics below Vic has the scaling advantage (his head is much bigger than Nasser's for example), his torso still looks smaller.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=307262;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229906.0;attach=269061;image)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 02:19:47 PM
You're right, Bobs, it's impossible to imagine that this guy could have possibly weighed anywhere near 270. Where would you put him? 210 maybe? So long as he's not within 50 pounds of Nasser we're safe, right?
(http://galeriekulturistiky.webz.cz/richards/Vic%20Richards%2014.jpg)



That pic is fake FYI , this one isn't
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 02:21:36 PM
That pic is fake FYI , this one isn't

Big guy no doubt, but 270 lbs @ 5'9" in contest shape - not a chance!  That claim itself is an insult to the pros who actually competed at that type of bodyweight.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 02:23:44 PM
Big guy no doubt, but 270 lbs @ 5'9" in contest shape - not a chance!  That claim itself is an insult to the pros who actually competed at that type of bodyweight.

He's 275 in this pic there are pics of him at over 300lbs the guy was huge beyond belief well before Nasser was big
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: tbombz on March 26, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
Everyone was trying to play Dorian's game, but they didn't have the genetics.  You have to do what works for you, not what somebody else is doing. 
i think there were dozens of competitors in the IFBB with equal or better genetics than dorian yates.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 02:25:29 PM
He's 275 in this pic there are pics of him at over 300lbs the guy was huge beyond belief well before Nasser was big

If he's 275 lbs in that pic, looking considerably smaller (and shorter) than Nasser, then Nasser must be 340 lbs in this pic ;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229906.0;attach=269061;image)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 02:44:33 PM
If he's 275 lbs in that pic, looking considerably smaller (and shorter) than Nasser, then Nasser must be 340 lbs in this pic ;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=229906.0;attach=269061;image)

Believe what you like  ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 02:47:20 PM
Believe what you like  ;)

Seems like you're not as committed to arguing about Vic as you are with Yates? :)

(thats a good thing)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 02:50:10 PM
Seems like you're not as committed to arguing about Vic as you are with Yates? :)

(thats a good thing)

Well how can you argue? you claim he's not everyone says he was , no argument just denial on your behalf  ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: THEBOSS on March 26, 2009, 02:51:25 PM
   ;)

thanks for playing tranny chaser
8) RON managed to get a giant GUT and a giant ASS ! ;D
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 02:55:00 PM
Well how can you argue? you claim he's not everyone says he was , no argument just denial on your behalf  ;)

 ::)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 02:59:39 PM
::)

 ;)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:04:44 PM
;)

So posting a picture of Vic looking the size of an average pro along with a wink emoticon somehow suggests that I was incorrect in questioning that "everyone" agreed Vic was 275 in contest shape?  ::)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 03:37:21 PM
So posting a picture of Vic looking the size of an average pro along with a wink emoticon somehow suggests that I was incorrect in questioning that "everyone" agreed Vic was 275 in contest shape?  ::)

Again you're the only one questioning is Vic was 275 because it doesn't fit into your fantasy that Nasser was the first real mass monster  ::) Vic was massive a long time before Nasser that's a fact , those pics of him are at 275 pounds confirmed by Jeff Everson who measured his quads at 35" just because you don't think he weighs that doesn't mean he didn't and what is contest shape? he never really competed but that doesn't matter because there are pics of him looking massive and in good shape next to pros just reference the pic of him next to Ray and Newman among others
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:39:17 PM
Again you're the only one questioning is Vic was 275 because it doesn't fit into your fantasy that Nasser was the first real mass monster  ::) Vic was massive a long time before Nasser that's a fact , those pics of him are at 275 pounds confirmed by Jeff Everson who measured his quads at 35" just because you don't think he weighs that doesn't mean he didn't and what is contest shape? he never really competed but that doesn't matter because there are pics of him looking massive and in good shape next to pros just reference the pic of him next to Ray and Newman among others

Nasser was about 50 lbs bigger than Vic.  No comparison.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: LurkyLurker on March 26, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
So posting a picture of Vic looking the size of an average pro along with a wink emoticon somehow suggests that I was incorrect in questioning that "everyone" agreed Vic was 275 in contest shape?  ::)

Man, you changed your story in two places within two pages of this thread. Here's your original quote:

"hahaha I expected you to be smarter than the type to give in to the Vic Richards 270 lbs @ 5'9" hype"

You originally didn't believe he could reach 270 (not 275) and there was nothing about contest shape. So a 5'8" Kai can walk around at 290 with abs, Phil Heath can break 275 in the offseason at 5'9" but Vic couldn't have possibly been 270 at 5'10"? I'm not getting the point of this... I guess you'll post anything to delegitimize every bodybuilder in existence other than Nasser. Bizarre.

(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/data/2/p251.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/vicrichards/057.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/vicrichards/058.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/vicrichards/003.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/vicrichards/024.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/vicrichards/032.jpg)

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Nasser was about 50 lbs bigger than Vic.  No comparison.

Your retort is a blanket statement  ::) we'll just take your word for it? lol Vic was massive when Nasser was trying to turn pro , he was over 300lbs well before Nasser , was he a better bodybuilder than Nasser? NO. but that doesn't matter he was insanely massive no matter what you say.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:43:06 PM
Man, you changed your story in two places within two pages of this thread. Here's your original quote:

"hahaha I expected you to be smarter than the type to give in to the Vic Richards 270 lbs @ 5'9" hype"

You originally didn't believe he could reach 270 (not 275) and there was nothing about contest shape. So a 5'8" Kai can walk around at 290 with abs, Phil Heath can break 275 in the offseason at 5'9" but Vic couldn't have possibly been 270 at 5'10"? I'm not getting the point of this... I guess you'll post anything to delegitimize every bodybuilder in existence other than Nasser. Bizarre.


I may not have explicitly said "contest shape" when I doubted him being 5'9" and 270, but that's what I meant - because 270 lbs offseason is hardly what's considered a "mass monster" or comparable to Nasser (who was sometimes 330 with abs in the offseason).  Yes, I believe offseason Vic can  weigh 270, but at 3% bodyfat or the condition at which Nasser weighed 280 - not a chance :)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: calfzilla on March 26, 2009, 03:45:15 PM
I don't think blame is the best word because it implies a negative connotation.  I agree he was the first to take it to the next level, but onstage when it counted he still looked good.  Not really his fault that all the jackasses that followed overdo everything and look like crap in the gym, on the street and on the stage. 
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:48:03 PM
Your retort is a blanket statement  ::) we'll just take your word for it? lol Vic was massive when Nasser was trying to turn pro , he was over 300lbs well before Nasser , was he a better bodybuilder than Nasser? NO. but that doesn't matter he was insanely massive no matter what you say.

Nasser was well over 300 lbs (with abs) :)

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
BTW this here is 5'11" and 285 lbs, no way Vic who is soo much smaller in this pic is 5'9" 275 lbs lmao


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311349;image)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 03:50:01 PM
I may not have explicitly said "contest shape" when I doubted him being 5'9" and 270, but that's what I meant - because 270 lbs offseason is hardly what's considered a "mass monster" or comparable to Nasser (who was sometimes 330 with abs in the offseason).  Yes, I believe offseason Vic can  weigh 270, but at 3% bodyfat or the condition at which Nasser weighed 280 - not a chance :)

330 with abs means what? Dorian has an x-mas tree at 300lbs does that mean he was shredded? NO it means he doesn't carry much bodyfat in that area regardless of how big he gets , His back was soft the heavier he became , Dorian's back didn't

Vic was never in ' contest shape ' so all we can do is speculate but make no mistake he was a mass monster long before Nasser
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 03:53:09 PM
330 with abs means what? Dorian has an x-mas tree at 300lbs does that mean he was shredded? NO it means he doesn't carry much bodyfat in that area regardless of how big he gets , His back was soft the heavier he became , Dorian's back didn't

Vic was never in ' contest shape ' so all we can do is speculate but make no mistake he was a mass monster long before Nasser

Guess your standards for what constitutes a "mass monster" are lower than Nasser's ;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311349;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311359;image)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 03:59:03 PM
Guess your standards for what constitutes a "mass monster" are lower than Nasser's ;)



My standards? yeah 5'9" and 275 pounds isn't a mass monster lol oh wait this was in the late eighties early nineties , when Nasser was petite  ;D
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 04:02:52 PM
My standards? yeah 5'9" and 275 pounds isn't a mass monster lol oh wait this was in the late eighties early nineties , when Nasser was petite  ;D

You can claim Vic is 320 lbs in this pic, it won't make any difference....point is compared to Nasser he is not a mass monster.  Mass monsters = Ronnie, Ruhl, Fux, Nasser, a few others...but not Vic ;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311349;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311359;image)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 04:05:05 PM
You can claim Vic is 320 lbs in this pic, it won't make any difference....point is compared to Nasser he is not a mass monster.  Mass monsters = Ronnie, Ruhl, Fux, Nasser, a few others...but not Vic ;)



I never claimed Vic is 320 pounds in that pic , he's 275 pounds it says it right there  ;) point is he was the original mass monster and even compared to all of the above when he's 300 or above you're damn right he is
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 04:07:07 PM
I never claimed Vic is 320 pounds in that pic , he's 275 pounds it says it right there  ;) point is he was the original mass monster and even compared to all of the above when he's 300 or above you're damn right he is

Whatever you claim his weight to be (even if it's true) doesn't make a difference.  He looks small compared to Nasser.  Therefore, he's not a mass monster.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: d0nny2600 on March 26, 2009, 04:08:07 PM
Whatever you claim his weight to be (even if it's true) doesn't make a difference.  He looks small compared to Nasser.  Therefore, he's not a mass monster.
(http://cache.boston.com/images/bostondirtdogs//Headline_Archives/BDD_seinfeld-george.jpg)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 04:12:29 PM
Whatever you claim his weight to be (even if it's true) doesn't make a difference.  He looks small compared to Nasser.  Therefore, he's not a mass monster.

Ha ha ha ha that's the criteria? you can't tell how he looks next to Nasser unless he was standing NEXT to Nasser which never happened and Dorian weighs less than Nasser yet in many pics he looks bigger , same with Ronnie pics can be deceptive
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: lovemonkey on March 26, 2009, 04:14:56 PM
Ha ha ha ha that's the criteria? you can't tell how he looks next to Nasser unless he was standing NEXT to Nasser which never happened and Dorian weighs less than Nasser yet in many pics he looks bigger , same with Ronnie pics can be deceptive

Remember, bigbobs can only see the world in Nasser's favor.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 04:16:31 PM
Ha ha ha ha that's the criteria? you can't tell how he looks next to Nasser unless he was standing NEXT to Nasser which never happened and Dorian weighs less than Nasser yet in many pics he looks bigger , same with Ronnie pics can be deceptive

Okay by that logic I am a mass monster compared to Vic too then, you can't deny it since I'm not standing NEXT to Vic in any pictures ;)

And where are these "many" pics where Yates looks bigger than Nasser lmao?  (only lat width in some poses and waist in all poses)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: d0nny2600 on March 26, 2009, 04:18:20 PM
Okay by that logic I am a mass monster compared to Vic too then, you can't deny it since I'm not standing NEXT to Vic in any pictures ;)

And where are these "many" pics where Yates looks bigger than Nasser lmao?  (only lat width in some poses and waist in all poses)
Can you actually look at bb with an open mind or is it just an epic man crush on Nasser?

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
Can you actually look at bb with an open mind or is it just an epic man crush on Nasser?



Read my posts - I said the same about Ronnie, Ruhl, Fux a few others and of course Nasser - Vic does not compare to them in terms of being a mass monster.

Can you actually read threads with an open mind or just with hatred towards Nasser?
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 04:26:46 PM
Okay by that logic I am a mass monster compared to Vic too then, you can't deny it since I'm not standing NEXT to Vic in any pictures ;)

And where are these "many" pics where Yates looks bigger than Nasser lmao?  (only lat width in some poses and waist in all poses)

Quote
Okay by that logic I am a mass monster compared to Vic too then, you can't deny it since I'm not standing NEXT to Vic in any pictures ;)

no I don't think so , it's a matter of probability and we all know you're not as big or as heavy as him so we can toss that line of thought in the garbage where it belongs


Quote
And where are these "many" pics where Yates looks bigger than Nasser lmao?  (only lat width in some poses and waist in all poses)

yeah okay  ::) more than width and there are plenty of pics of Ronnie making Nasser look petite pictures only go so far and more to size than size , size at the expense of density is useless
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
Can you actually look at bb with an open mind or is it just an epic man crush on Nasser?



He is biased to the point of delusion when it comes to Nasser this is true.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: bigbobs on March 26, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
no I don't think so , it's a matter of probability and we all know you're not as big or as heavy as him so we can toss that line of thought in the garbage where it belongs


yeah okay  ::) more than width and there are plenty of pics of Ronnie making Nasser look petite pictures only go so far and more to size than size , size at the expense of density is useless

Yates demonstrating his incredible density over Nasser  ::)

Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on March 26, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
Yates demonstrating his incredible density over Nasser  ::)



ha ha ha ha Yates destroys Nasser in density and your strawman comparisons prove nothing , Nasser was pretty hard himself FROM THE FRONT his back was soft and smooth , you can post all the front shots you want and think they mean something , Dorian even with the torn front bicep kills Nasser in that front double biceps shot , the walking down the steps in 1997 proves nothing , I'll post a back shot from 1997 of Yates clearly showing his density over Nasser , standing relaxed 1995 ? Dorian isn't even hitting the shot , see the bottom pic , and the handsclasped most muscular proves my point despite being lighter Dorian looks bigger , thanks for helping my case  ;)

Dorian is dense EVERYWHERE not just from the front like Nasser
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on March 26, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
If Nasser wasn't harder than Dorian at 270 how could he be harder at 330? Dorian just didn't want have to lose so much to get in shape because the one year he did it, 1986, he felt he lost gains dieting it all off. The next few years he stayed harder offseason and thus ended up with more muscle come contest time.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Fatpanda on March 26, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
Nasser pushed the envelope even further in the offseason reaching up to 330 lbs with abs

(311 lbs in the last picture)




nasser looked amazing in those pics. i'd have loved to see him in person at that size  8)


or any size  :)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Fatpanda on March 26, 2009, 05:13:25 PM
And Victor Richard would have made him looked like a kid. That's if we are talking about Off season.


parker i have another edition of that video, and the clip shows vic and dorian in the same shot posing, dorian beats him on size  ;)

so huge nasser would have him for lunch.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 05:50:49 PM
Many blame Dorian for the rise of the Mass Monsters.

Sure, he did usher in a new era of gluttonous-size and bloatedness. However, he is far from responsible for beginning this insidious era of obscenity!

Dorian and his cohorts were just part of a culture. 

Sure, he embraced this culture with unbridled excessiveness!
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Dballn247 on March 26, 2009, 09:20:27 PM
Nasser = the best lazy eye in the business.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: New Hank Wood on March 26, 2009, 10:40:45 PM
I don't blame one broken down alcoholic for the state of this sport! 

As much as i don't blame a wife beating, bitter, oil-in-delts Nobody

As long as this sport continues to promote the likes of rapefruiter-Pornographers, there is no hope for a bright and credible future!
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: Dballn247 on March 26, 2009, 10:42:18 PM
I don't blame one broken down alcoholic for the state of this sport! 

As much as i don't blame a wife beating, bitter, oil-in-delts Nobody

As long as this sport continues to promote the likes of rapefruiter-Pornographers, there is no hope for a bright and credible future!

hahaha you said sport, that was funny.
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: dyslexic on March 26, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/arniejunior.jpg)
Title: Re: Blame Dorian for the state of modern BBing......
Post by: mossel on March 27, 2009, 06:29:16 AM
Guess your standards for what constitutes a "mass monster" are lower than Nasser's ;)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311349;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=267600.0;attach=311359;image)

vic owning nasser forearms wise... (nas left arm comparison)