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Apparently, Germans are the most intelligent people in the World. In general, European Caucasians have high average IQs that far surpass that of most other peoples/races in the World by 1 standard deviation(South Asians, Middle Easterners, Mestizos and black Americans) to 2(pure African blacks and Australian aborigenes), but whites are slightly surpassed by Northeast Asians, who score between 3 to 5 points higher than whites. However, Germans seem to be an exception to this, as they topped the two highest scoring East Asian countries of Japan(105) and South Korea(106). The really amazing thing is that the average German IQ was dragged down by the population of Turkish descent that live in Germany and was included in the sample, because they have an average IQ of 89 and compromise almost 20% of the population. This means that the average IQ of white Germans is arguably higher than that around 110 and maybe as high as 112. The incredible German result is not surprising given it is the land of Gauss, Soppenhauer, Kant, Goethe, Leibniz and Heisenberg.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hitler would have been proud.. ::)
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Seig Heil!!
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Nasser grew up in Germany and has one of the highest IQ's in the world. Here's a pic from when he was growing up in Germany
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Seig Heil!!
It's sieg heil, not "seig". ::)
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Apparently, Germans are the most intelligent people in the World. In general, European Caucasians have high average IQs that far surpass that of most other peoples/races in the World by 1 standard deviation(South Asians, Middle Easterners, Mestizos and black Americans) to 2(pure African blacks and Australian aborigenes), but whites are slightly surpassed by Northeast Asians, who score between 3 to 5 points higher than whites. However, Germans seem to be an exception to this, as they topped the two highest scoring East Asian countries of Japan(105) and South Korea(106). The really amazing thing is that the average German IQ was dragged down by the population of Turkish descent that live in Germany and was included in the sample, because they have an average IQ of 89 and compromise almost 20% of the population. This means that the average IQ of white Germans is arguably higher than that around 110 and maybe as high as 112. The incredible German result is not surprising given it is the land of Gauss, Soppenhauer, Kant, Goethe, Leibniz and Heisenberg.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece)
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Goatboy's ancestry is, not surprisingly, 100% German. :D
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Is that bigbobs fella a fagget or something?
He's talking about when Nasser grew up as if he lived through those days with him... :-\
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Goatboy's ancestry is, not surprisingly, 100% German. :D
My great great grandmother was German.
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Nasser grew up in Germany and has one of the highest IQ's in the world. Here's a pic from when he was growing up in Germany
Genetically Nasser is an Arab, not a German, moron. ::)
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My great great grandmother was German.
All dutch people have some German decent...thats why we're so smart... :-\
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maybe hitler was right all the time?
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maybe hitler was right all the time?
Hitler would have been proud.. ::)
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sorry he.
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My wife has a take home Mensa test. She is quite bright and keeps me on my toes. I have no doubt she'll get in or will be very close to it when she takes the real test.
Her brother is a doctor in Germany, her father was a physics teacher.
I'm a lucky man :)
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Nasser grew up in Germany and has one of the highest IQ's in the world . Here's a pic from when he was growing up in Germany
Ahahahahhhahahahahahahah ahaha
You must be a comedian
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My wife has a take home Mensa test. She is quite bright and keeps me on my toes. I have no doubt she'll get in or will be very close to it.
I'm a lucky man :)
Well, if she's so bright, what's she doing hanging around the likes of you!? ;D
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Hitler would have been proud.. ::)
hitler was born in austria ::)
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Well, if she's so bright, what's she doing hanging around the likes of you!? ;D
Because I'm an incredible African American-Caucasian hybrid. I'm the best of both worlds. Incredibly intelligent and handsome :D
Call me a genetic anomaly.
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Because I'm an incredible African American-Caucasian hybrid. I'm the best of both worlds. Incredibly intelligent and handsome :D
Call me a genetic anomaly.
Taking a page out of Nasser's book of hyperbole, I see. That's copyrighted material. :D
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hitler was born in austria ::)
I see you are not of German decent... ;)
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Taking a page out of Nasser's book of hyperbole, I see. That's copyrighted material. :D
Don't ever compare me that trash. >:(
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hitler was born in austria ::)
Essentially the same country, they had no trouble being taken over during the Nazi era.
It's interesting that the highest IQs are former axis countries, they had good cause to believe in themselves. If they'd had bigger populations the war probably goes the other way.
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hitler was born in austria ::)
Essentially the same country, they had no trouble being taken over during the Nazi era. Schwarzenegger yet another Austrian who looked up to Germany.
It's interesting that the highest IQs are former axis countries, they had good cause to believe in themselves. If they'd had bigger populations the war probably goes the other way.
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hitler was born in austria ::)
:D :D :D
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Don't ever compare me that trash. >:(
He is ahead of you in every aspect of life
Genetically Nasser is an Arab, not a German, moron. ::)
I never said he was genetically German, or that him growing up in Germany has anything to do with IQ. A little weak on comprehension today? ;) Nasser grew up in Germany and he has one of the highest IQ's in the world, so it is totally relevent to discuss him in a thread that mentions IQ or/and Germany.
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He is ahead of you in every aspect of life
I never said he was genetically German, or that him growing up in Germany has anything to do with IQ. A little weak on comprehension today? ;) Nasser grew up in Germany and he has one of the highest IQ's in the world, so it is totally relevent to discuss him in a thread that mentions IQ or/and Germany.
Still trash.
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The turks, jews and albanians have destroyed what was once the best country in europe, they are absolutely hated by pure Germans, when I was living in Hannover the turks were coming in by the busloads everyday and setting up their filthy homes.
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LOL. That pic of Nasser and Ronnie in those 'suits' always reminds me of these guys:
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Essentially the same country, they had no trouble being taken over during the Nazi era.
It's interesting that the highest IQs are former axis countries, they had good cause to believe in themselves. If they'd had bigger populations the war probably goes the other way.
You know, Pumpy, I agree with you here. At the Nuremberg Trials, Goering said Germany could have easily defeated the U.S, or the U.K or the U.S.S.R, but not all three combined, and that Hitler's key mistake was to fight on three fronts - in Africa vs the Brits led by Montgomery, in Northwestern Europe vs the U.S + the Brits and the eastern front vs the Soviets. However, most military specialists believe that, in the year of 1941, the Wehrmatch could have defeated all three combined if German generalship had been at the formidable level of it's military technology, organization and tactical competence. When fighting against a foe(U.S + U.S.S.R) that had 10 times it's population and 50 times it's resource capacity, German generals couldn't afford to make even a single mistake to win the war, and they made several. It is amazing, though, that even then the U.S still took almost an year to go from Normandy to Berlim despite having 20 times more military industry than Germany, and that Germany was on it's knees and had 65% of it's resources committed on the Eastern front. It puts in perpective just how massively powerful the German army was even at the end.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You know, Pumpy, I agree with you here. At the Nuremberg Trials, Goering said Germany could have easily defeated the U.S, or the U.K or the U.S.S.R, but not all three combined, and that Hitler's key mistake was to fight on three fronts - in Africa vs the Brits led by Montgomery, in Northwestern Europe vs the U.S + the Brits and the eastern front vs the Soviets. However, most military specialists believe that, in the year of 1941, the Wehrmatch could have defeated all three combined if German generalship had been at the formidable level of it's military technology, organization and tactical competence. When fighting against a foe(U.S + U.S.S.R) that had 10 times it's population and 50 times it's resource capacity, German generals couldn't afford to make even a single mistake to win the war, and they made several. It is amazing, though, that even then the U.S still took almost an year to go from Normandy to Berlim despite having 20 times more military industry than Germany, and that Germany was on it's kness and had 65% of it's resources committed on the Eastern front. It puts in perpective just how massively powerful the German army was even at the end.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Forgot the internal one against the Jews, etc. That was a massive drain of men and resources.
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LOL. That pic of Nasser and Ronnie in those 'suits' always reminds me of these guys:
I always think about Brain in his suit.
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I always think about Brain in his suit.
OMG. LMAO!!! I remember that shit! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The turks, jews and albanians have destroyed what was once the best country in europe, they are absolutely hated by pure Germans, when I was living in Hannover the turks were coming in by the busloads everyday and setting up their filthy homes.
The average IQ of 107 is including the Turks, that have an average IQ of 89 and compromise almost 20% of Germany's population. This means that the average IQ of white Germans is significantly higher than that around 110 to 112. This would make white Germans the single most intelligent group of people in the World by a significant margin. This is interesting because Northeast Asians are the only ethnic group that surpasses white Europeans in IQ and even then only by a very slim margin, but Germans are an exception to this and are above and beyond even Northeast Asians.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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85, Jerry. 85.
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Seig Heil!!
LOL, I'm sure Matt C is reading this thread and jacking off right now! ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You know, Pumpy, I agree with you here. At the Nuremberg Trials, Goering said Germany could have easily defeated the U.S, or the U.K or the U.S.S.R, but not all three combined, and that Hitler's key mistake was to fight on three fronts - in Africa vs the Brits led by Montgomery, in Northwestern Europe vs the U.S + the Brits and the eastern front vs the Soviets. However, most military specialists believe that, in the year of 1941, the Wehrmatch could have defeated all three combined if German generalship had been at the formidable level of it's military technology, organization and tactical competence. When fighting against a foe(U.S + U.S.S.R) that had 10 times it's population and 50 times it's resource capacity, German generals couldn't afford to make even a single mistake to win the war, and they made several. It is amazing, though, that even then the U.S still took almost an year to go from Normandy to Berlim despite having 20 times more military industry than Germany, and that Germany was on it's knees and had 65% of it's resources committed on the Eastern front. It puts in perpective just how massively powerful the German army was even at the end.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
In 1941 England was largely neutralized and the US had not entered the war yet. So pretty much all of the Wehrmacht's resources were committed to Operation Barbarossa and the Wehrmacht failed to defeat the Russians in 1941 as it had set out to do. The Blitzkrieg tactic failed in Russia and the war became a war of attrition that Germany eventually HAD to lose. By not defeating the Russians in 1941 the war was essentially lost.
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Hitler should have taken Poland and another insignificant country and than stopped while he was ahead. He could have probably done great things for Germany if he wasn't such a maniac.
:-X
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Nasser grew up in Germany and has one of the highest IQ's in the world. Here's a pic from when he was growing up in Germany
nice gyno there
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In 1941 England was largely neutralized and the US had not entered the war yet. So pretty much all of the Wehrmacht's resources were committed to Operation Barbarossa and the Wehrmacht failed to defeat the Russians in 1941 as it had set out to do. The Blitzkrieg tactic failed in Russia and the war became a war of attrition that Germany eventually HAD to lose. By not defeating the Russians in 1941 the war was essentially lost.
You're obviously not factoring in the massive air battles between Germany and England on the Western Front, and that the U.S had been supplying Britain with weapons, fuel and resources since 1940 -the major reason why Hitler put so many of Germany resources into U-boots to sink U.S commercial ships on the Atlantic. But I agree with you that Sioviet Russia took the toll and, with a combination of vastly superior resources - especially oil from the Caucasus -, twice the population size and superior experience fighting on the icy tundras and severe winter, managed to turn the tide against a technologicallly and tactically superior foe.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Apparently, Germans are the most intelligent people in the World. In general, European Caucasians have high average IQs that far surpass that of most other peoples/races in the World by 1 standard deviation(South Asians, Middle Easterners, Mestizos and black Americans) to 2(pure African blacks and Australian aborigenes), but whites are slightly surpassed by Northeast Asians, who score between 3 to 5 points higher than whites. However, Germans seem to be an exception to this, as they topped the two highest scoring East Asian countries of Japan(105) and South Korea(106). The really amazing thing is that the average German IQ was dragged down by the population of Turkish descent that live in Germany and was included in the sample, because they have an average IQ of 89 and compromise almost 20% of the population. This means that the average IQ of white Germans is arguably higher than that around 110 and maybe as high as 112. The incredible German result is not surprising given it is the land of Gauss, Soppenhauer, Kant, Goethe, Leibniz and Heisenberg.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece)
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bwaahahahaahah, i love it!!
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You're obviously not factoring in the massive air battles between Germany and England on the Western Front, and that the U.S had been supplying Britain with weapons, fuel and resources since 1940 -the major reason why Hitler put so many of Germany resources into U-boots to sink U.S commercial ships on the Atlantic. But I agree with you that Sioviet Russia took the toll and, with a combination of vastly superior resources - especially oil from the Caucasus -, twice the population size and superior experience fighting on the icy tundras and severe winter, managed to turn the tide against a technologicallly and tactically superior foe.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Those english bastards destroyed another beautiful German city, Dresden ... bombed the shit out of it, killing aprox. 250,000 civilians in the process
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Those english bastards destroyed another beautiful German city, Dresden ... bombed the shit out of it, killing aprox. 250,000 civilians in the process
True, but they did a very good job with rebuilding it, apart from the ugly ugly ugly remains of the communist regime.
Eastern germany has become far better than western germany, less foreigners, beautiful cities and better air.
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You're obviously not factoring in the massive air battles between Germany and England on the Western Front, and that the U.S had been supplying Britain with weapons, fuel and resources since 1940 -the major reason why Hitler put so many of Germany resources into U-boots to sink U.S commercial ships on the Atlantic. But I agree with you that Sioviet Russia took the toll and, with a combination of vastly superior resources - especially oil from the Caucasus -, twice the population size and superior experience fighting on the icy tundras and severe winter, managed to turn the tide against a technologicallly and tactically superior foe.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
In May of 1940 Hitler had defeated France and the British Expeditiary Forces that were fighting alongside the French. He had all options open. He decided not to invade England between June - August while the weather would have still permitted it. He decided not to kick the British out of Northern Africa which would have allowed him to attack Russia from two fronts and would have given him easier access to the oilfields in the Caucasus. Instead he geared up for an entire year and committed everything he had to Operation Barbarossa. It failed in 1941 and this had little to do with the British or Americans. It was an all-out war in 1941 between a German Wehrmacht that was at the pinnacle of its military might and the Red Army and the Wehrmacht was unable to defeat the Red Army.
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Those english bastards destroyed another beautiful German city, Dresden ... bombed the shit out of it, killing aprox. 250,000 civilians in the process
see Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5. :)
/can't recommend that book high enough, imo
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nice gyno there
lol wtf where is the gyno??
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=268282.0;attach=307527;image)
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i'm 50% german, from alten bochum !
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i'm 50% german, from alten bochum !
fuck no!!
Really?
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fuck no!!
Really?
my grand-parent not me !
that's explain why i've got 20 inch drug free arm and loves for order and discipline...
"Ob's stürmt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht,."
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In May of 1940 Hitler had defeated France and the British Expeditiary Forces that were fighting alongside the French. He had all options open. He decided not to invade England between June - August while the weather would have still permitted it. He decided not to kick the British out of Northern Africa which would have allowed him to attack Russia from two fronts and would have given him easier access to the oilfields in the Caucasus. Instead he geared up for an entire year and committed everything he had to Operation Barbarossa. It failed in 1941 and this had little to do with the British or Americans. It was an all-out war in 1941 between a German Wehrmacht that was at the pinnacle of its military might and the Red Army and the Wehrmacht was unable to defeat the Red Army.
Again, you are not taking into account the stress Britain put on Germany's industrial military capability. Britain is an island and thus the Germans could never invade it, and the Royal Air Force starting in 1940 bombed Germany's heavy industry on the Rhine almost daily. This combined with the fact that the Wehrmacht was always bailing out the incompetent Italians in northern Africa, plus the heavy civil resistence in occupied Eastern Europe, put a great deal of strain on Germany and significantly aided the Soviets. This, combined with the fact that the Russians had 3 times more heavy industry, 2 times the population, 4 times the oil and knew the territory much better because they were fightring at home, made it almost impossible for Germany to win. And BTW, the Wehrmacht got to Moscow's suburbs and almost took it.
As for what you said about Hitler's options, he would have to take several nations before he could hit Russia from the south, and it's doubtful whether that would be somehow superior to hitting Germany from Eastern Europe. Germany's Waterloo was Stalingrad, and that's because Hitler insisted on taking the city instead of just wiping it from the face of the Earth. If I were Paulus, what I would have done would be to move my troops in two split groups, one to the south and the other to the north, then enveloping the city from all sides, barricating the city and stopping anyone from fleeing, and then just bomb the city to rubbles from the air and with long-distance artillary. That would have been the smart thing to do. Eventually, the few survivors would surrender and the battle would have been won with the Red Army troops locked inside the city unable to flee or fight back. But Hitler was a proud man who wanted to simply conquer the city in a direct assault, for no other reason than the city was named after his arch-nemesis, and he wanted to humiliate Stalin. Hitler's arrogance and obsession with man-to-man combat - to prove the superiority of German warriors - cost him the war. :)
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my grand-parent not me !
that's explain why i've got 20 inch drug free arm and loves for order and discipline...
"Ob's stürmt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht,."
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my oma worked the switchboards for hitler
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i can feel the smoke of the ruhr ! ;D
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my oma worked the switchboards for hitler
Don't know why, but that seriously caused me to LOL
My oma was Eva Braun
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i can feel the smoke of the ruhr ! ;D
Not anymore, sweetheart.
The days of work are long gone here. :-X :-X
At least the dirty work, lol.
Ever been to the Pott?
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Don't know why, but that seriously caused me to LOL
My oma was Eva Braun
swithcboards was one of her jobs. she listened in on a conversation between him(hitler) and stalin once. her other job was to write the coordinates on a glass window backwards so the soldiers outside could read them, coordinates for missiles they were firing into the sky to hit allied aircraft..
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Not anymore, sweetheart.
The days of work are long gone here. :-X :-X
At least the dirty work, lol.
Ever been to the Pott?
no! in fact i only came back in germany for fibo and koln or aachen christmas marketand to see some family in jackerath.
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Nasser grew up in Germany and has one of the highest IQ's in the world. Here's a pic from when he was growing up in Germany
So what rank is nasser on the world's smartest people list? And where is the reference?
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no! in fact i only came back in germany for fibo and koln or aachen christmas marketand to see some family in jackerath.
Fibo, huh?
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Aachen was completely turned to dust during WWII wasn't it. :-X
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yes imagine what would have been accomplished if Hitler had just stayed out of the way and let his generals make the strategic military decisions.
he tried to do too much too fast. the decision to invade russia while still fighting on the western front was the beginning of the end, especially when the soviets chose the strategy that they did, allowing their victory to be inevitable.
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Aachen was completely turned to dust during WWII wasn't it. :-X
like Dresde Koln ...
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Anyone been to Zella-Mehlis? ???
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Aachen was completely turned to dust during WWII wasn't it. :-X
No, actually it has a lovely Altstadt, historic center of town.
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I once lived in Augsburg.
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I once lived in Augsburg.
lol, yes sure you were! ;D
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No, actually it has a lovely Altstadt, historic center of town.
Oh cool, I had to look the word Altstadt up. ;D
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lol, yes sure you were! ;D
Seriously, I did. 8)
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Oh cool, I had to look the word Altstadt up. ;D
(http://www.horsteschwarz.de/Diakonieverein/Aachen/Bilder/Aachen04.JPG)
(http://www.msc-neviges.de/2007/Bilder/Osterfahrt/045.jpg)
Seriously, I did. 8)
nice city.
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(http://www.horsteschwarz.de/Diakonieverein/Aachen/Bilder/Aachen04.JPG)
(http://www.msc-neviges.de/2007/Bilder/Osterfahrt/045.jpg)
nice city.
Man those great old buildings almost give me goosebumps. :)
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Man those great old buildings almost give me goosebumps. :)
Well, walking through those old, narrow streets, having lunch in a building that's some 100 years old is really nice.
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nice city.
DK, I'm not shitting you. I was stationed their in the military for 2.5 years.
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DK, I'm not shitting you. I was stationed their in the military for 2.5 years.
i believe you, i have lived near Frankfurt for about a year, tons of american military there.
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i believe you, i have lived near Frankfurt for about a year, tons of american military there.
Frankfurt was a huge base. Ours was tiny. I loved Germany.
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Do the Germans resent the Americans stationed there? ???
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You know, Pumpy, I agree with you here. At the Nuremberg Trials, Goering said Germany could have easily defeated the U.S, or the U.K or the U.S.S.R, but not all three combined, and that Hitler's key mistake was to fight on three fronts - in Africa vs the Brits led by Montgomery, in Northwestern Europe vs the U.S + the Brits and the eastern front vs the Soviets. However, most military specialists believe that, in the year of 1941, the Wehrmatch could have defeated all three combined if German generalship had been at the formidable level of it's military technology, organization and tactical competence. When fighting against a foe(U.S + U.S.S.R) that had 10 times it's population and 50 times it's resource capacity, German generals couldn't afford to make even a single mistake to win the war, and they made several. It is amazing, though, that even then the U.S still took almost an year to go from Normandy to Berlim despite having 20 times more military industry than Germany, and that Germany was on it's knees and had 65% of it's resources committed on the Eastern front. It puts in perpective just how massively powerful the German army was even at the end.
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the us would of dropped an atomic bomb as soon as things go bad ;)
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Frankfurt was a huge base. Ours was tiny. I loved Germany.
I was near Friedberg, where Elvis Presley was stationed. ;D ;D
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I once lived in Augsburg.
Birthplace of Ernst Stavro Blofeld. :D
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Again, you are not taking into account the stress Britain put on Germany's industrial military capability. Britain is an island and thus the Germans could never invade it, and the Royal Air Force starting in 1940 bombed Germany's heavy industry on the Rhine almost daily. This combined with the fact that the Wehrmacht was always bailing out the incompetent Italians in northern Africa, plus the heavy civil resistence in occupied Eastern Europe, put a great deal of strain on Germany and significantly aided the Soviets. This, combined with the fact that the Russians had 3 times more heavy industry, 2 times the population, 4 times the oil and knew the territory much better because they were fightring at home, made it almost impossible for Germany to win. And BTW, the Wehrmacht got to Moscow's suburbs and almost took it.
As for what you said about Hitler's options, he would have to take several nations before he could hit Russia from the south, and it's doubtful whether that would be somehow superior to hitting Germany from Eastern Europe. Germany's Waterloo was Stalingrad, and that's because Hitler insisted on taking the city instead of just wiping it from the face of the Earth. If I were Paulus, what I would have done would be to move my troops in two split groups, one to the south and the other to the north, then enveloping the city from all sides, barricating the city and stopping anyone from fleeing, and then just bomb the city to rubbles from the air and with long-distance artillary. That would have been the smart thing to do. Eventually, the few survivors would surrender and the battle would have been won with the Red Army troops locked inside the city unable to flee or fight back. But Hitler was a proud man who wanted to simply conquer the city in a direct assault, for no other reason than the city was named after his arch-nemesis, and he wanted to humiliate Stalin. Hitler's arrogance and obsession with man-to-man combat - to prove the superiority of German warriors - cost him the war. :)
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You got this one wrong. After Dunkirk England was defenseless. Yes, over 300,000 Allied soldiers made it back to the island but they had to leave all heavy weapons behind. Of course had Hitler not blundered at Dunkirk but instead taken all the Allies as prisoners the invasion of England would have been as easy as 1-2-3. Anyhow, Hitler proceeded to bombard the British airfields and radar stations attempting to gain air superiority to begin the invasion. Had he not shifted his focus to bombing London out of rage he would have gained air superiority and German paratroopers could have taken all valuable airfields until reinforcements would have made it across the channel. In the same fashion the Germans took Crete from the British they could have taken a largely defenseless country/island in August of 1940. This would have kicked the British out of the war and all of Northern Africa, Gibraltar, Crete, Malta and the entire Middle east would have fallen into German hands.
Even with not invading England Hitler could have easily defeated the British in Northern Africa and the Middle East in 1940 right after the victory over France. This would have brought him to the gates of Southern Russia in 1940. Governments like Turkey, Iraq and Iran were all pro-German at the time.
Instead he chose to launch a full frontal attack on Russia in June of 1941. He underestimated the Russian military capacity and despite huge victories in the first few weeks he quickly ran behind his timetable. When he decided to shift his panzers from Army Group North and Army Group Center away from Leningrad and Moscow to take advantage of the Kiew encirclement, the war was lost because there was no way to make it to Moscow before the onset of the rain and mud season in autum. He should have been more daring and kept on moving towards Leningrad and Moscow while letting Army Group South take care of the Kiew encirclement by itself. The war was lost in 1941 by not defeating the Red Army.
It doesn't matter what happened in 1942. The Wehrmacht never regained its strength it had in 1941. Stalingrad or not, in 1942 Germany never again had the overall strength to possibly defeat the Red Army.
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no! in fact i only came back in germany for fibo and koln or aachen christmas marketand to see some family in jackerath.
thats my hometown !
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Great thread :D
team third reich/mattc approved :o
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Do the Germans resent the Americans stationed there? ???
They didn't when I was there, but that was in teh 90's.
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germany is a model country, it makes even most other first-world nations look like dirty, sprawling shitholes. everything is so clean and orderly
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Germany just needs to get all them Turks out, and stop paying Israel thouse 10 Billion per year..
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Germany just needs to get all them Turks out, and stop paying Israel thouse 10 Billion per year..
why do you say it?
should the usa get rid of all the niggaz?no...
so why should germany get rid of us?the economy would crush into oblivion
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The turks, jews and albanians have destroyed what was once the best country in europe, they are absolutely hated by pure Germans, when I was living in Hannover the turks were coming in by the busloads everyday and setting up their filthy homes.
interesting!
Again, you are not taking into account the stress Britain put on Germany's industrial military capability. Britain is an island and thus the Germans could never invade it, and the Royal Air Force starting in 1940 bombed Germany's heavy industry on the Rhine almost daily. This combined with the fact that the Wehrmacht was always bailing out the incompetent Italians in northern Africa, plus the heavy civil resistence in occupied Eastern Europe, put a great deal of strain on Germany and significantly aided the Soviets. This, combined with the fact that the Russians had 3 times more heavy industry, 2 times the population, 4 times the oil and knew the territory much better because they were fightring at home, made it almost impossible for Germany to win. And BTW, the Wehrmacht got to Moscow's suburbs and almost took it.
As for what you said about Hitler's options, he would have to take several nations before he could hit Russia from the south, and it's doubtful whether that would be somehow superior to hitting Germany from Eastern Europe. Germany's Waterloo was Stalingrad, and that's because Hitler insisted on taking the city instead of just wiping it from the face of the Earth. If I were Paulus, what I would have done would be to move my troops in two split groups, one to the south and the other to the north, then enveloping the city from all sides, barricating the city and stopping anyone from fleeing, and then just bomb the city to rubbles from the air and with long-distance artillary. That would have been the smart thing to do. Eventually, the few survivors would surrender and the battle would have been won with the Red Army troops locked inside the city unable to flee or fight back. But Hitler was a proud man who wanted to simply conquer the city in a direct assault, for no other reason than the city was named after his arch-nemesis, and he wanted to humiliate Stalin. Hitler's arrogance and obsession with man-to-man combat - to prove the superiority of German warriors - cost him the war. :)
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Yes, just bypass the city. That way the troops that remain inside will be cut off and not resupplied. A surrender would be inevitable in the end.
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The German people are a conquered people. Their country and their culture is DONE, FINISHED! They are has beens as far as a society. They are one of the most heavily taxed socialist countries in the world. Their birthrate is one of the lowest in the worlds. Sad actually.
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without us turks germany's economy would die
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germany is still the best country to live in
there not many countries which can reach germany's standards...maybe sweden,austria,norway etc
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without us turks germany's economy would die
Yeah right, Germany realy needs all thouse turks to live off its welfare.
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interesting!
Yes, just bypass the city. That way the troops that remain inside will be cut off and not resupplied. A surrender would be inevitable in the end.
How stupid are you guys??? This didn't work with Leningrad and it tied down the bulk of Army Group North for almost 2 yrs. Stalingrad could have been easily re-supplied from the east by the Red Army as the bulk of the German Army was heading south to the oildfields of the Caucus.
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In 1941 England was largely neutralized and the US had not entered the war yet. So pretty much all of the Wehrmacht's resources were committed to Operation Barbarossa and the Wehrmacht failed to defeat the Russians in 1941 as it had set out to do. The Blitzkrieg tactic failed in Russia and the war became a war of attrition that Germany eventually HAD to lose. By not defeating the Russians in 1941 the war was essentially lost.
Operation Barbarossa was Hitler's big fucckup. He never should have invaded Russia without first either beating or settling with Britain. He still could have defeted the Soviets in the end despite bogging down outside Moscow had he not been fighting the US and UK at the same time. It was US/UK bombing that destroyed his wartime industrial capacity, not the Soviets, and he had to maintain significant numbers of his forces on the Western and Southern fronts whether he was actively engaging in ground fighting or not.
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Yeah right, Germany realy needs all thouse turks to live off its welfare.
i swear i don't know any turk,russian or whatever who lives off welfare...only german white trash live off welfare
the foreigners do the jobs the germans don't want to do,that's how it is
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without us turks germany's economy would die
bank account number or it didn't happen ;D
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it was a losing game to begin with, the soviets' strategy was to put up only sporadic resistance at the border- knowing the the blitzkrieging germans would crush any desperate stand at the border anyway-and instead draw them deeper and deeper into vast russian territory. the germans, already vastly outnumbered were spread thinner and thinner, supply lines got longer and longer, more time passed, weather turned bad, could not keep adequate supplys coming in,meanwhile the soviets were throwing wave after wave at their flanks and weak spots, soviets could continue moving their industy further east and out of reach, its amazing the germans held out as long as they did but barbarossa was inevitably going to fail
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Operation Barbarossa was Hitler's big fucckup. He never should have invaded Russia without first either beating or settling with Britain. He still could have defeted the Soviets in the end despite bogging down outside Moscow had he not been fighting the US and UK at the same time. It was US/UK bombing that destroyed his wartime industrial capacity, not the Soviets, and he had to maintain significant numbers of his forces on the Western and Southern fronts whether he was actively engaging in ground fighting or not.
If Hilter would not have attacked Russian Stalin would have soon attacked Western Europe. Hitler did the right thing. However, he should have taken care of England in the summer of 1940 when he had the chance.
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Germany just needs to get all them Turks out, and stop paying Israel thouse 10 Billion per year..
exactly this is shameful, a travesty of the highest order, and should be stopped immediately
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it was a losing game to begin with, the soviets' strategy was to put up only sporadic resistance at the border- knowing the the blitzkrieging germans would crush any desperate stand at the border anyway-and instead draw them deeper and deeper into vast russian territory. the germans, already vastly outnumbered were spread thinner and thinner, supply lines got longer and longer, more time passed, weather turned bad, could not keep adequate supplys coming in,meanwhile the soviets were throwing wave after wave at their flanks and weak spots, soviets could continue moving their industy further east and out of reach, its amazing the germans held out as long as they did but barbarossa was inevitably going to fail
This strategy was not implemented by the Red Army until 1942. In 1941 they threw in everything they had and did not retreat an inch thus loosing so many men. They had no good military strategy. It wasn't until 1942 when they started to learn from their mistakes of the previous year.
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Do Germans in general believe in the holocaust ?
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Do Germans in general believe in the holocaust ?
yes they do
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not surprising. while the africans were running naked through the jungles hunting animals with spears and rocks, the germans had developed nuclear technology.
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This strategy was not implemented by the Red Army until 1942. In 1941 they threw in everything they had and did not retreat an inch thus loosing so many men. They had no good military strategy. It wasn't until 1942 when they started to learn from their mistakes of the previous year.
im not sure about this, i read a book on operation barbarossa a couple years ago and if i remember correctly they knew damn well they couldnt hold them at the border so it was intentionally decided at the highest levels that they would use the 'fall back to draw them in deep while making it look like we are fighting hard for every inch and about to collapse' strategy.
i believe this was kept somewhat under wraps because it basically involved sacrificing large numbers of men in places they never intended to hold.
forgot the author of that book.
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yes they do
Publically yes, because it's illegal not to? What about off the record?
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Publically yes, because it's illegal not to? What about off the record?
germans nowadays are afraid to say something wrong,i don't know any single person who does not believe in it,schools teach us to believe it
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im not sure about this, i read a book on operation barbarossa a couple years ago and if i remember correctly they knew damn well they couldnt hold them at the border so it was intentionally decided at the highest levels that they would use the 'fall back to draw them in deep while making it look like we are fighting hard for every inch and about to collapse' strategy.
i believe this was kept somewhat under wraps because it basically involved sacrificing large numbers of men in places they never intended to hold.
forgot the author of that book.
Seems kinda weird... IF you can win the battles, you would try everything you can to do so and not let them in. When the allies landed at normandie, germany didn't let them in voluntarily...
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Seems kinda weird... IF you can win the battles, you would try everything you can to do so and not let them in. When the allies landed at normandie, germany didn't let them in voluntarily...
thats the point, initially they could not. so instead of putting all their effort into mounting a desperate stand along their borders they knew that in order to survive and ultimately win they would be forced to adopt a long-term strategy which used their vast territory to their advantage, involving conceding the germans to penetrate far and spread themselves thin, in this way they their territory and superior numbers would be a strong advantage whereas concentrating all their sub-par forces close to the border would have resulted in their army's destruction and allow them no time to full mobilize to a wartime economy. it ended up playing out exactly as hoped and they won in the end - by choosing a battle of attrition
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Do Germans in general believe in the holocaust ?
In public they might say they do, becuase its illegal to say any different.
However behind closed doors, the story may be different.
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In public they might say they do, becuase its illegal to say any different.
However behind closed doors, the story may be different.
no,cause every german hates hitler
maybe the old generation...but the younger germans do believe it
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is getbig open door or closed door? :D
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thats the point, initially they could not. so instead of putting all their effort into mounting a desperate stand along their borders they knew that in order to survive and ultimately win they would be forced to adopt a long-term strategy which used their vast territory to their advantage, involving conceding the germans to penetrate far and spread themselves thin, in this way they their territory and superior numbers would be a strong advantage whereas concentrating all their sub-par forces close to the border would have resulted in their army's destruction and allow them no time to full mobilize to a wartime economy. it ended up playing out exactly as hoped and they won in the end - by choosing a battle of attrition
yes, but was it really by choice?
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germans nowadays are afraid to say something wrong,i don't know any single person who does not believe in it,schools teach us to believe it
So, so true. I'm always telling my wife. YOU'RE GERMAN BE PROUD!!!! >:(
Most Germans are very, very liberal, in some cases almost socialist and they're proud of it. They are very ashamed of their past because the media constantly reminds them of it.
Fuck that shit.
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So, so true. I'm always telling my wife. YOU'RE GERMAN BE PROUD!!!! >:(
for example we turks are very proud of our country,you can see a flag in every house
germans should do that too but their history speaks against them...you see a german with a flag you automatically think:nazi!
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germany is still the best country to live in
there not many countries which can reach germany's standards...maybe sweden,austria,norway etc
Sweden and Norway don't even see the sun half of the year. ;D
I truly believe middle Europe is by far the best place to be in the entire world, some other locations are nice for holidays, but for living standards we're just right. ;)
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for example we turks are very proud of our country,you can see a flag in every house
germans should do that too but their history speaks against them...you see a german with a flag you automatically think:nazi!
Wow, that's exactly what upsets me all the time. Great that you as a turk see stuff like that so objective.
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Apparently, Germans are the most intelligent people in the World. In general, European Caucasians have high average IQs that far surpass that of most other peoples/races in the World by 1 standard deviation(South Asians, Middle Easterners, Mestizos and black Americans) to 2(pure African blacks and Australian aborigenes), but whites are slightly surpassed by Northeast Asians, who score between 3 to 5 points higher than whites. However, Germans seem to be an exception to this, as they topped the two highest scoring East Asian countries of Japan(105) and South Korea(106). The really amazing thing is that the average German IQ was dragged down by the population of Turkish descent that live in Germany and was included in the sample, because they have an average IQ of 89 and compromise almost 20% of the population. This means that the average IQ of white Germans is arguably higher than that around 110 and maybe as high as 112. The incredible German result is not surprising given it is the land of Gauss, Soppenhauer, Kant, Goethe, Leibniz and Heisenberg.
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article697134.ece)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hi Hitler. :)
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germany is still the best country to live in
It would be without the Piefkes ;D
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i am different than most of the turks here,i am ashamed of most of them,i only have german friends and no policy record
you can say i am the "Wiggs" of the turks
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i am different than most of the turks here,i am ashamed of most of them,i only have german friends and no policy record
you can say i am the "Wiggs" of the turks
lol ;D
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for example we turks are very proud of our country,you can see a flag in every house
germans should do that too but their history speaks against them...you see a german with a flag you automatically think:nazi!
Another example:
Eko sagt: "Ich hoffe du Kartoffel stirbst an deinem Schweinefleische". Keine Sau interessierts.
Eko sagt: "Ich hasse jeden Hurensohn mit Adler auf dem Pass." Keine Sau interessierts.
Fler sagt: "Hier kommt die Neue Deutsche Welle." Proteststürme, wir müssen den Nazi-Rapper verbieten. ;D
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Bottom bitch nation nowa days for sure.
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Germans themselves are naturally very intelligent. Most Europeans are in fact very intelligent, contemporary, liberal and tolerant people. This is why the Netherlands doesn't throw people in prison over a plant called cannabis.
America, on the other hand, is getting dumber and dumber. Why?
1. Bad nutrition. Obesity and bad nutrition can lead to decreased brain function.
2. Bad living habits, no exercise.
3. Horrific education system. Terrible.
4. Bad social norms. Too much pride in stupidity and making fun of intelligent people.
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Germans themselves are naturally very intelligent. Most Europeans are in fact very intelligent, contemporary, liberal and tolerant people. This is why the Netherlands doesn't throw people in prison over a plant called cannabis.
America, on the other hand, is getting dumber and dumber. Why?
1. Bad nutrition. Obesity and bad nutrition can lead to decreased brain function.
2. Bad living habits, no exercise.
3. Horrific education system. Terrible.
4. Bad social norms. Too much pride in stupidity and making fun of intelligent people.
5. Abysmal health care
6. Religious hypocrisy
7. Foreign policy driven by national policy
8. Economic shambles
I'll stop there, or else I'll be here all night.
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5. Abysmal health care
6. Religious hypocrisy
7. Foreign policy driven by national policy
8. Economic shambles
9. Racial intolerance
10. Sexual preference intolerance
11. Extremely violent people
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Birthplace of Ernst Stavro Blofeld. :D
Bond-fan??
Me too, i love the novels! I also loved the last two movies, so close to the novels.
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i swear i don't know any turk,russian or whatever who lives off welfare...only german white trash live off welfare
the foreigners do the jobs the germans don't want to do,that's how it is
hahaahahah, komm hör auf!!
I know that there are more germans living on welfare than turks, but especially turks make a bad cut. I think you may have heard of the recent Integrationsstudie, it shows turks are the foreigners in germany with the worst education and many of them living on welfare.
Sorry to say it, but that's the way it is.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,603294,00.html
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So, so true. I'm always telling my wife. YOU'RE GERMAN BE PROUD!!!! >:(
Most Germans are very, very liberal, in some cases almost socialist and they're proud of it. They are very ashamed of their past because the media constantly reminds them of it.
Fuck that shit.
True.
Not believing in the Holocaust is very rare though. Even very openly Nazi people generally do not say it didn't take place. THat's only the dumbest sort that says it didn't.
The most dangerous ones say "Yes, the holocaust was real, and it was good". :-X :-X :-X
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hahaahahah, komm hör auf!!
I know that there are more germans living on welfare than turks, but especially turks make a bad cut. I think you may have heard of the recent Integrationsstudie, it shows turks are the foreigners in germany with the worst education and many of them living on welfare.
Sorry to say it, but that's the way it is.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,603294,00.html
hey buddy,you know what my problem is?that they call them all turks...here am niederrhein there are mostly russian,albanians and kurds,not many turks but if something happens it's allways the turks you know what i mean?
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my oma worked the switchboards for hitler
You would not have lasted under the great man , faggortry and inbreeding/retardation was a big no no.
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hey buddy,you know what my problem is?that they call them all turks...here am niederrhein there are mostly russian,albanians and kurds,not many turks but if something happens it's allways the turks you know what i mean?
You're right, but according to the study the turks are the ones that make the most fuzz.
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Bond-fan??
Me too, i love the novels! I also loved the last two movies, so close to the novels.
Yes, Casino Royale certainly did the book justice.
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Yes, Casino Royale certainly did the book justice.
great adaption into the present times as well. I also loved that Quantum of Solace really makes Casino Royale into a 4 hour Bond-Movie. ;D
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great adaption into the present times as well. I also loved that Quantum of Solace really makes Casino Royale into a 4 hour Bond-Movie. ;D
Haven't seen or read that one yet :-X Always prefer to read a book before I see a movie version of it...
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Haven't seen or read that one yet :-X Always prefer to read a book before I see a movie version of it...
You won't be satisfied with this, then.
QoS is a short story, and it has nothing to do with the movie except the title. The story is great though.
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You won't be satisfied with this, then.
QoS is a short story, and it has nothing to do with the movie except the title. The story is great though.
That I didn't know. :-[
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the pure germans are quiet about the turks :-X
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That I didn't know. :-[
Why :-[ ?
It's pretty normal with the Bond movies. A lot of them base on short stories, the other ones only take a basic setting from the book. I.e. "You only live twice", the book is very different from the movie, but both are good.
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the pure germans are quiet about the turks :-X
fixed.
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Why :-[ ?
It's pretty normal with the Bond movies. A lot of them base on short stories, the other ones only take a basic setting from the book. I.e. "You only live twice", the book is very different from the movie, but both are good.
I actually thought the book had been written, then the movie based on it. Not sure what gave me that idea. But I think the best bond movie, "Goldfinger", is the best because it doesn't vary greatly from the book. A few changes e.g Bond doesn't work for Goldfinger in the movie but very much similar. Same with Casino Royale.
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I actually thought the book had been written, then the movie based on it. Not sure what gave me that idea. But I think the best bond movie, "Goldfinger", is the best because it doesn't vary greatly from the book. A few changes e.g Bond doesn't work for Goldfinger in the movie but very much similar. Same with Casino Royale.
True, same with "From Russia with Love".
The Bond movies that sucked the most are the Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan ones that seem to be only self quotations, Bond-Sterotypes and funny gadgets.
I think it's great that the new Bond suffers, bleeds, fights and works hard. Roger Moore was nearly floating through his movies, the Brosnan ones were relying too much on the gadgets.
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Colt 45 and two zig zags, baby thats all we need.
We can go to the park after dark, smoke that tumbleweed.
And as the marijuana burns we can take our turns, singing them dirty rap songs
Stop and hit the bong like cheech and chong, sell tapes from here to hong kong.
So roll, roll, roll my joint. pick out the seeds and stems.
Feelin high as hell flyin through palmdale, skatin on dayton rims.
So roll, roll the 83 cadillac coup de ville.
If my tapes and my cds just dont sell, I bet my caddy will.
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Colt 45 and two zig zags, baby thats all we need.
We can go to the park after dark, smoke that tumbleweed.
And as the marijuana burns we can take our turns, singing them dirty rap songs
Stop and hit the bong like cheech and chong, sell tapes from here to hong kong.
So roll, roll, roll my joint. pick out the seeds and stems.
Feelin high as hell flyin through palmdale, skatin on dayton rims.
So roll, roll the 83 cadillac coup de ville.
If my tapes and my cds just dont sell, I bet my caddy will.
See, that's why we think turks are dumb. ;D ;D ;D
Living in germany does not make you african-american. hth.
;D ;D ;D
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True, same with "From Russia with Love".
The Bond movies that sucked the most are the Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan ones that seem to be only self quotations, Bond-Sterotypes and funny gadgets.
I think it's great that the new Bond suffers, bleeds, fights and works hard. Roger Moore was nearly floating through his movies, the Brosnan ones were relying too much on the gadgets.
I loved Goldeneye but not that fussed on Brosnan's other movies. Bond should be a dark character, which Casino Royale does show. Moore was a parody, don't like many of his movies.
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I loved Goldeneye but not that fussed on Brosnan's other movies. Bond should be a dark character, which Casino Royale does show. Moore was a parody, don't like many of his movies.
True! Bond is always described as a dark character with a "cruel smile", Fleming also often writes that Bond hates to kill people, but accepts it as part of the job.
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Bond-fan??
Me too, i love the novels! I also loved the last two movies, so close to the novels.
Of course. What self-respecting guy isn't. :)
/once won an online james bond trivia contest. prize was a silver briefcase filled will all the dvds. sweet!
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Of course. What self-respecting guy isn't. :)
/once won an online james bond trivia contest. prize was a silver briefcase filled will all the dvds. sweet!
Wow, not bad!
The novels are amazingly "modern", Ian Fleming has described a man's feelings as exact as they come. Like in the novel "Thunderball", where in the beginning Bond saves the nurse at Shrublands from being hit by a car and fleming writes something like "He thought of the firm breast he had felt" when she says thank you.
Today, this would be totally impossible to say. You rescue a girl and all you can think of is the touch of her tits. But that's what a man would do. ;D
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See, that's why we think turks are dumb. ;D ;D ;D
Living in germany does not make you african-american. hth.
;D ;D ;D
turks are actually pretty intelligent,i mean the turks in turkey,they love school..you would never see kids like here in turkey,their parents would kill them
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turks are actually pretty intelligent,i mean the turks in turkey,they love school..you would never see kids like here in turkey,their parents would kill them
i know, that's really sad actually.
The problem is that the turks in germany still think that turkey is like Anatolia in 1950.
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for example we turks are very proud of our country,you can see a flag in every house
germans should do that too but their history speaks against them...you see a german with a flag you automatically think:nazi!
Hahah, then shouldn't you be in your own country ?!?! LOL
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Hahah, then shouldn't you be in your own country ?!?! LOL
turks are so proud of their country that they choose to flee it on the first occasion and only go back for 2 weeks holidays maximum.