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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Relentless on March 08, 2009, 08:37:48 AM
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Did Kai do himself a huge favor by competing all those years without gear? He won the team universe a couple of times and was a lock to win any natural show in which he competed.
Question is: did all of those years of heavy training without gear set him up as a hyper responder? He has a completely different look than anyone else onstage. The guy just has slabs of conditioned muscle everywhere.
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Do you really think he was 100% natural all those years?
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the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.
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Unreal - look at how low his lat insertions are!
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Do you really think he was 100% natural all those years?
I don't know. I don't see how he could have made such a leap in mass if he was taking anything back then compared to now. Kai was considered to be one of the greatest naturals of all time when he was competing in the team universe; no one could beat him.
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the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.
Ok? I don't see what that has to do with the discussion at hand.
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I don't know. I don't see how he could have made such a leap in mass if he was taking anything back then compared to now. Kai was considered to be one of the greatest naturals of all time when he was competing in the team universe; no one could beat him.
i just always question the whole "natural" thing at that level. I know they are tested, but are we to believe that with all the testing the IOC does, and olympic athletes use and don't get caught, that a 3rd tier bb organization is going to catch people? i personally just don't buy it.
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i just always question the whole "natural" thing at that level. I know they are tested, but are we to believe that with all the testing the IOC does, and olympic athletes use and don't get caught, that a 3rd tier bb organization is going to catch people? i personally just don't buy it.
I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.
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I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.
I would say all pro's at varying levels are genetic freaks. I'm just a complete cynic on the "natural" shows and promotions. I've known too many guys who competed in those and got around the rules. Sad really.
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I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.
Kai at Team Universe: low dosages of steroids
Kai now: massive dosages of test, insulin, GH and exotics like Cytadren etc (at least according to Chick's buddy "DA BULL").
It's basically what Ronnie did before/after he hooked up with Chad.
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I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO
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I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO
From a muscularity standpoint, I agree. However, Kai was nowhere close to Ronnie in the shape department. Kai Greene's muscularity and conditioning with Victor Martinez's shape would be Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie had the best of everything.
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I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO
ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier
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ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier
That's what I'm saying - Kai is nowhere close to Ronnie, overall.
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That's what I'm saying - Kai is nowhere close to Ronnie, overall.
This is probably true, but his muscularity in some areas is unmatched today and you gotta give it to him for presenting what he has better than anyone...maybe ever..
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ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier
Yes, my sentiments exactly. Van is right as well ... well, I guess there's nothing more for me to say seeing as how it's already been said ! :D
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Of course his natural days are helping him. Just like they helped Ronnie. This is why we see guys like this make huge strides in such a short time.
Yes, Kai will never be a Ronnie, Ronnie is better structurally but Kai will continue to get better as many other are tapped out.
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Of course his natural days are helping him. Just like they helped Ronnie. This is why we see guys like this make huge strides in such a short time.
Yes, Kai will never be a Ronnie, Ronnie is better structurally but Kai will continue to get better as many other are tapped out.
wise words from a wise man
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look at ronnie, as wiggs said.
the longer guys hold off on going all out, the better they become as pros.
when you see today's kids at 19, juiced to the gills like a few recent new pros or USA failures, you know they aren't going to make that big of strides as pros.
Ronnis and kai might not have been 100% natural as amateurs, but they certainly weren't running gh and insulin and god knows what.
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the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.
No they weren't bullshit.. It might be hard for you to believe it, but Kai was very strong and big for a teenager. He had a few fellow training partners from the group homes that were strong as hell also.
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No they weren't bullshit.. It might be hard for you to believe it, but Kai was very strong and big for a teenager. He had a few fellow training partners from the group homes that were strong as hell.
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I was actually impressed by Kais appearence, he looked really huge.
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Put that stupid ass smiley on this page all you want. That was the case with Kai years back. If you do/don't believe his claims__ your choice. Stay ignorant fool..
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It's been said that the best bodybuilders will spend time building a "base" before crossing over to the Dark Side.
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It's been said that the best bodybuilders will spend time building a "base" before crossing over to the Dark Side.
It's true. Very true, in fact ! Ronnie, obviously, is living proof.
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Put that stupid ass smiley on this page all you want. That was the case with Kai years back. If you do/don't believe his claims__ your right..
no offense but when someone claims they squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager but there's no footage of it anywhere makes me believe it didn't happen, real lifts= squat 600, bench 385-400, still extremely impressive.
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no offense but when someone claims they squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager but there's no footage of it anywhere makes me believe it didn't happen, real lifts= squat 600, bench 385-400, still extremely impressive.
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It's been said that the best bodybuilders will spend time building a "base" before crossing over to the Dark Side.
It's true, Arnold didn't start dbol until his was 16.
I would see Kai occasionally at Jonny Lats in NYC in 1999. Never occurred to me that he wasn't juiced.
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Kai looks great and his transformation is amazing but don't compare him to Ronnie.
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Did Kai do himself a huge favor by competing all those years without gear? He won the team universe a couple of times and was a lock to win any natural show in which he competed.
Question is: did all of those years of heavy training without gear set him up as a hyper responder? He has a completely different look than anyone else onstage. The guy just has slabs of conditioned muscle everywhere.
Yes.
Kai competed in the NGA and WNBF for years prior to coming to the NPC and competing in Team U. He was a absolute freak back then as a young man in his teens and early twenties. Whether he was using anything while competing in all those drug tested shows is something none of us know. I think we can all safely say he was not taking anywhere near what he is taking now. It definitely appears to me that he built a very strong foundation in those early years, not to mention a strong work ethic that comes form not getting quick and easy results.
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no offense but when someone claims they squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager but there's no footage of it anywhere makes me believe it didn't happen, real lifts= squat 600, bench 385-400, still extremely impressive.
"Anyone" can squat 800 and bench 500. The question is, how deep was the squat and how much of a spot did he get on the bench. But of course, Kai wasn't as strong as Ronnie as a teenager.
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Kai looks great and his transformation is amazing but don't compare him to Ronnie.
ronnie was as straight as a man can get and kai is simply a homo
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"Natural" means under a gram of androgens, little to no peptides and doing no more than a few cycles each year. C'mon! ;D
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ronnie was as straight as a man can get and kai is simply a homo
Ronnie did a very homosexual butt shaking routine once.
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Ronnie did a very homosexual butt shaking routine once.
More than once :)
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being natural in those early years will have its benefits when he retires from pro bb'ding-- it will also show when and if he decides to stop working out
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I think Kai's problem is going to be that he is going to keep trying to get bigger...Just like Ronnie...However Kai doesn't have the structure that Ronnie had/has...Kai chest is really small and you can tell he is a hard gainer in the chest...Ronnie had the massive chest to take away a bit from the massive belly...Kai won't have that luxury...And Kai's Quads are really starting to take on that balloon type look that Ronnie had in his...
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It's been said that the best bodybuilders will spend time building a "base" before crossing over to the Dark Side.
I've heard that too. But, the problem is that once a guy starts taking steroids, some people acts as if that guy was never natural.
They act as if the second he started pumping those cement weights that his dad/uncle/brother left in the garage, before his first sip of protein powder (no, not Nitro-Tech, even though it addeth 2400% more mass than the regular milk of the fatted calf ;D ), they not only started using drugs but were taking everything but the kitchen sink (in ungodly quantities).