Author Topic: Kai's days as a natural - are they helping him now? (Read 3043 times)

Relentless · « **on:** March 08, 2009, 08:37:48 AM »

Did Kai do himself a huge favor by competing all those years without gear? He won the team universe a couple of times and was a lock to win any natural show in which he competed.

Question is: did all of those years of heavy training without gear set him up as a hyper responder? He has a completely different look than anyone else onstage. The guy just has slabs of conditioned muscle everywhere.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »

Do you really think he was 100% natural all those years?

QuakerOats · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:41:00 AM »

the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.

Sam · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:42:35 AM »

Unreal - look at how low his lat insertions are!

Relentless · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:43:52 AM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on March 08, 2009, 08:40:33 AM

Do you really think he was 100% natural all those years?

I don't know. I don't see how he could have made such a leap in mass if he was taking anything back then compared to now. Kai was considered to be one of the greatest naturals of all time when he was competing in the team universe; no one could beat him.

Relentless · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:44:49 AM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on March 08, 2009, 08:41:00 AM

the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.

Ok? I don't see what that has to do with the discussion at hand.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:45:52 AM »

Quote from: Relentless on March 08, 2009, 08:43:52 AM

I don't know. I don't see how he could have made such a leap in mass if he was taking anything back then compared to now. Kai was considered to be one of the greatest naturals of all time when he was competing in the team universe; no one could beat him.

i just always question the whole "natural" thing at that level. I know they are tested, but are we to believe that with all the testing the IOC does, and olympic athletes use and don't get caught, that a 3rd tier bb organization is going to catch people? i personally just don't buy it.

Relentless · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:47:31 AM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on March 08, 2009, 08:45:52 AM

i just always question the whole "natural" thing at that level. I know they are tested, but are we to believe that with all the testing the IOC does, and olympic athletes use and don't get caught, that a 3rd tier bb organization is going to catch people? i personally just don't buy it.

I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:49:39 AM »

Quote from: Relentless on March 08, 2009, 08:47:31 AM

I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.

I would say all pro's at varying levels are genetic freaks. I'm just a complete cynic on the "natural" shows and promotions. I've known too many guys who competed in those and got around the rules. Sad really.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:55:53 AM »

Quote from: Relentless on March 08, 2009, 08:47:31 AM

I don't know enough about it, honestly. I know there are a lot of guys who cheat and compete as naturals, but I don't know if Kai falls into that category. He is a genetic freak, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was natural.

Kai at Team Universe: low dosages of steroids

Kai now: massive dosages of test, insulin, GH and exotics like Cytadren etc (at least according to Chick's buddy "DA BULL").

It's basically what Ronnie did before/after he hooked up with Chad.

DeketheCreep · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:57:28 AM »

I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO

Relentless · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:59:58 AM »

Quote from: DeketheCreep on March 08, 2009, 08:57:28 AM

I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO

From a muscularity standpoint, I agree. However, Kai was nowhere close to Ronnie in the shape department. Kai Greene's muscularity and conditioning with Victor Martinez's shape would be Ronnie Coleman. Ronnie had the best of everything.

2ND COMING · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:15:50 AM »

Quote from: DeketheCreep on March 08, 2009, 08:57:28 AM

I think Kai is the next coleman,i think he will just get freakier and bigger each contest.Like Ronnie did.
IMO

ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier

Relentless · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:18:21 AM »

Quote from: 2ND COMING on March 08, 2009, 09:15:50 AM

ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier

That's what I'm saying - Kai is nowhere close to Ronnie, overall.

Rearden Metal · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »

Quote from: Relentless on March 08, 2009, 09:18:21 AM

That's what I'm saying - Kai is nowhere close to Ronnie, overall.

This is probably true, but his muscularity in some areas is unmatched today and you gotta give it to him for presenting what he has better than anyone...maybe ever..

The_Iron_Disciple · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:29:46 AM »

Quote from: 2ND COMING on March 08, 2009, 09:15:50 AM

ronnie had room to grow...kai is substantially shorter and blockier

Yes, my sentiments exactly. Van is right as well ... well, I guess there's nothing more for me to say seeing as how it's already been said !

Wiggs · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:18:43 PM »

Of course his natural days are helping him. Just like they helped Ronnie. This is why we see guys like this make huge strides in such a short time.

Yes, Kai will never be a Ronnie, Ronnie is better structurally but Kai will continue to get better as many other are tapped out.

ironneck · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:20:14 PM »

Quote from: Wiggs on March 08, 2009, 12:18:43 PM

Of course his natural days are helping him. Just like they helped Ronnie. This is why we see guys like this make huge strides in such a short time.

Yes, Kai will never be a Ronnie, Ronnie is better structurally but Kai will continue to get better as many other are tapped out.

wise words from a wise man

240 is Back · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:26:20 PM »

look at ronnie, as wiggs said.

the longer guys hold off on going all out, the better they become as pros.

when you see today's kids at 19, juiced to the gills like a few recent new pros or USA failures, you know they aren't going to make that big of strides as pros.

Ronnis and kai might not have been 100% natural as amateurs, but they certainly weren't running gh and insulin and god knows what.

MisterGX · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:29:12 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on March 08, 2009, 08:41:00 AM

the claim that he squatted 800 and benched 500 as a natural teenager has to be the biggest bullshit claim i've ever heard and i've heard some doozies from bodybuilders.

No they weren't bullshit.. It might be hard for you to believe it, but Kai was very strong and big for a teenager. He had a few fellow training partners from the group homes that were strong as hell also.

QuakerOats · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:29:34 PM »

Quote from: MisterGX on March 08, 2009, 12:29:12 PM

No they weren't bullshit.. It might be hard for you to believe it, but Kai was very strong and big for a teenager. He had a few fellow training partners from the group homes that were strong as hell.

Meso_z · « **Reply #21 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:30:37 PM »

I was actually impressed by Kais appearence, he looked really huge.

Mars · « **Reply #22 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:31:18 PM »

MisterGX · « **Reply #23 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:33:34 PM »

Quote from: QuakerOats on March 08, 2009, 12:29:34 PM

Put that stupid ass smiley on this page all you want. That was the case with Kai years back. If you do/don't believe his claims__ your choice. Stay ignorant fool..

Purge_WTF · « **Reply #24 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:34:13 PM »

It's been said that the best bodybuilders will spend time building a "base" before crossing over to the Dark Side.

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