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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Switznegger on March 11, 2009, 09:28:47 PM
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Another one just got cancelled seems BB is not like it once was. IFBB Pro World Cup has been cancelled and many people are Not Happy. It's Not like they pay much to the Pros for winning any of these shows so why can't they run the ones they say they are promoting??
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last year the japan grand prix was cancelled, remember the GNC show of strength, is there a romanian grand prix this year? ::)
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last year the japan grand prix was cancelled, remember the GNC show of strength, is there a Romanian grand prix this year? ::)
Yeah they the Promoters know nobody cares about BB so they just cancell and never return the show.IFBB Pro shows all about the MONEY Not the Competitors.As Chick says Not one IFBB Pro competes because of the Money so why don't they eliminate the Pro League??
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Yeah they the Promoters know nobody cares about BB so they just cancell and never return the show.IFBB Pro shows all about the MONEY Not the Competitors.As Chick says Not one IFBB Pro competes because of the Money so why don't they eliminate the Pro League??
no wonder BB fan base is so small since both the big shows are in vegas and columbus unless you live in those place you need to travel and get a hotel and time off work to attend them, and if you live outside the USA/North America how are you supposed to see pro shows, back in the 80's they had grand prix tours everywhere especially europe, now what do we have? AMI are not expanding BB they are shrinking it, im sure Chick will post some rubbish about it being the fans fault etc, what a tool ::)
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there are still 20 to 25 shows per year, relax guys
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there are still 20 to 25 shows per year, relax guys
For IFBB Pro men???Print them here oh and what's the total prize money when you take away the Arnold and the Olympia??
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For IFBB Pro men???Print them here oh and what's the total prize money when you take away the Arnold and the Olympia??
1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
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They WISH
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Chick doesn't talk to us now that he moved to Florida. They have him on a tight schedule; he has to be up early for bocce' ball.
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
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25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
there is a problem with your (and the IFBB's) way of thinking.
Where is the UK Pro? the French Pro, the Norway Pro, the German Pro, the Russia Pro, the South Africa Pro, the Beijing Pro, the Dubai Pro, the Cairo Pro, the Mexico Pro, the Rio Pro?
Yes, I know its a chicken and egg problem. How can you hold a show without fans willing to buy tickets? and how can you build a fan base without shows?
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
thats total prize money
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there is a problem with your (and the IFBB's) way of thinking.
Where is the UK Pro? the French Pro, the Norway Pro, the German Pro, the Russia Pro, the South Africa Pro, the Beijing Pro, the Dubai Pro, the Cairo Pro, the Mexico Pro, the Rio Pro?
Yes, I know its a chicken and egg problem. How can you hold a show without fans willing to buy tickets? and how can you build a fan base without shows?
Tim you are right, the IFBB has amateur orgs in nearly every country, even Afghanistan, so there are bodybuilders everywhere in the world, those bodybuilders have friends and family that will watch them compete plus in some parts of the world like the Middle East bodybuilding is looked at in a far more positive light than in the west, in the UK NABBA does pretty well, in Germany the NAC does pretty well, even FAME run shows in the UK and Philippines, the IFBB/AMI needs to build an overseas market for shows, there are fans who will want to see the big name pros, its not like bodybuilding has no exposure in other countries, many countries have local versions of Flex and Ironman etc, also they need to make it easier for some countries to give pro cards, its hard for a lot of Asian and Europeans to get pro cards because they must win their national, continental and worlds to get a pro card, and the latter 2 being ''drug tested''.
I'm sure Chick will post a single sentance answer dismissing what any of us have posted, guess he dont care as long as his cheque clears ::)
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Tim you are right, the IFBB has amateur orgs in nearly every country, even Afghanistan, so there are bodybuilders everywhere in the world, those bodybuilders have friends and family that will watch them compete plus in some parts of the world like the Middle East bodybuilding is looked at in a far more positive light than in the west, in the UK NABBA does pretty well, in Germany the NAC does pretty well, even FAME run shows in the UK and Philippines, the IFBB/AMI needs to build an overseas market for shows, there are fans who will want to see the big name pros, its not like bodybuilding has no exposure in other countries, many countries have local versions of Flex and Ironman etc, also they need to make it easier for some countries to give pro cards, its hard for a lot of Asian and Europeans to get pro cards because they must win their national, continental and worlds to get a pro card, and the latter 2 being ''drug tested''.
I'm sure Chick will post a single sentance answer dismissing what any of us have posted, guess he dont care as long as his cheque clears ::)
Not quite sure what your problem is....after crunching the numbers, it was shown that the loss was going to be far too much with the current economic climate...so we decided to cancel going forward for this year before we got any deeper...next year, we'll take another look to see if it's viable.
Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....
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Chick doesn't talk to us now that he moved to Florida. They have him on a tight schedule; he has to be up early for bocce' ball.
I just found out he moved to florida from the Bobservation colunm in Flex mag. I think he'll love it down south. it just that it rains too much in Florida
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Not quite sure what your problem is....after crunching the numbers, it was shown that the loss was going to be far too much with the current economic climate...so we decided to cancel going forward for this year before we got any deeper...next year, we'll take another look to see if it's viable.
Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....
Bob cant the IFBB look into finding more promoters especially in so far untapped markets like the middle east or asia for example, i know it might seem the numbers dont add up on paper but perhaps taking a risk to try to expand BB is whats needed, asking national IFBB feds to perhaps do some of the work while IFBB HQ just supervises and advise and perhaps help getting some of the top pros to enter, the local fed can organize venue, local sponsors, promotion, hold a convention alongside the show so sponsors get to sell their wares etc
i know last years japan grand prix being canceled had a lot to do with Hide getting busted and losing a local sponsor but it can be tried again!
dont you think there should be at least a Masters Pro every year?
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
What about the Mountaineer Show in NC ??? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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1 New York City Pro $125
2 Los Angeles Pro $95
3 Chicago Pro $10
4 Houston Pro $1000
5 Phoenix Pro $135,
6 Philadelphia Pro $120
7 San Antonio Pro $13
8 San Diego Pro $11
9 Dallas Pro $55
10 San Jose Pro $100
11 Detroit Pro $Stolen Car
12 Jacksonville Pro $1,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $13
14 San Francisco Pro $Schmoe For A Day
15 Columbus Pro $110,000000
16 Austin Pro $99
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Schmoe Pro $80,0000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
hey wow no cleveland pro what the hell brah!
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Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....
and have to pay some huge franchise fee to the IFBB. Perhaps the IFBB should give up their franchise fee, or even kick in some money to help develop shows throughout the world, to help develop a fan base. Invest some money to improve the long term health of the business.
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what other major sports allow promoters to run shows without interference or guarantees from the sports federation?
You don't have Ace hardware running week 12 NFL games.
If it's a common thing, and there is that required 50k non-refundable fee due 6 months ahead of time, what is the big deal? Wait... did the promoter not have the 50k in the bank 6 months ahead of time?
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
When i saw Memphis Pro I knew you were joking even before the insane prize ammts. My lame ass town will never do bb.
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When i saw Memphis Pro I knew you were joking even before the insane prize ammts. My lame ass town will never do bb.
Look, we TRUE fans don't make every show public. You probably don't hear about half of these shows.
Why? it keeps the audiences down to 'cozy', just how we schmoes like it. There isn't a lot of love in an auditorium packed with 9,000 people. however, when you have 64 people in a high school auditorium, the love is really there.
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Bob cant the IFBB look into finding more promoters especially in so far untapped markets like the middle east or asia for example, i know it might seem the numbers dont add up on paper but perhaps taking a risk to try to expand BB is whats needed, asking national IFBB feds to perhaps do some of the work while IFBB HQ just supervises and advise and perhaps help getting some of the top pros to enter, the local fed can organize venue, local sponsors, promotion, hold a convention alongside the show so sponsors get to sell their wares etc
i know last years japan grand prix being canceled had a lot to do with Hide getting busted and losing a local sponsor but it can be tried again!
dont you think there should be at least a Masters Pro every year?
The problem isnt promoters...it's sponsors willing to support even more shows than they're sponsoring now...that combined with a limited fan base, and you see why it is what it is.
Sponsors dont gain much by just giving away MORE free samples to the same audience over and over...
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
Hey, why did you steal the Pro Bowling Tour schedule?
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The IFBB get $10k for small shows from the sponsor to allow them to use the IFBB name the Winner of small IFBB Pro shows wins $10k where's the Problem seems about right.After all if there was No IFBB there would be No BBs hey wait a minute is that the other way around??IFBB do NOTHING for BB except TAKE TAKE TAKE.Why not have a WEIDER classic with $1000000 dollars 1st prize after all it would just REDUCE their TAX.
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The problem isnt promoters...it's sponsors willing to support even more shows than they're sponsoring now...that combined with a limited fan base, and you see why it is what it is.
Sponsors dont gain much by just giving away MORE free samples to the same audience over and over...
believe it or not, bodybuilding shows were able to survive on just the ticket sales. many other sporting events are able to survive on the gate.
then again, bodybuilding magazines in the US were able to be profitable with only 10-20% ads. Bodybuilding mags in other countries continue to be profitable with less than 100 pages of ads.
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believe it or not, bodybuilding shows were able to survive on just the ticket sales. many other sporting events are able to survive on the gate.
then again, bodybuilding magazines in the US were able to be profitable with only 10-20% ads. Bodybuilding mags in other countries continue to be profitable with less than 100 pages of ads.
Not sure I'm seeing the connection...
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Hey, why did you steal the Pro Bowling Tour schedule?
Bowling isn't a sport.
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Bowling isn't a sport.
No but it pays more than Pro BB. :-\
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Not sure I'm seeing the connection...
the business of bodybuilding is flawed from top to bottom. and it's unsustainable.
I don't understand why supplement companies would sponsor bodybuilding shows in the first place because people who attend shows are not their target demographics, 15-25 year old males. yet the shows are created as these mega events that they expect people to fly in for the weekend, not exactly what 15-25 year olds are likely to do. I don't know why a supplement company would buy a booth at the Olympia expo, which is a trade show for people in the industry. Its not an effective way to reach the people who buy your product.
Even without the internet, the US bodybuilding mags are killing themselves by creating products that no one can or would want to read on a regular basis. 400-500 pages a month, ads made to look like articles or athlete profiles! the kids read it because they don't know better, but the kids eventually grow up and realize its all BS. I think all the ads, and especially all the deceptive ads, in US magazines has turned people off, decreasing sales, accelerating their decline.
In other parts of the world, Australia, Europe, Latin America, the bodybuilding mags are still magazines, not supplement catalogs. Usually under 200 pages, less than a third ads.
I'm sure some non-US publishers would love to have the short term profit from 300 pages of ads, but the advertisers aren't there. That's because they have stricter laws on what you can sell, or what you can claim in ads. In Mexico, you can buy anabolic steroids without a script at any pharmacy, but there are very few of the big name supplements because the Mexican government requires you to prove that your supplement does what you say it does.
It would be great if non-supplement companies would get involved with sponsoring pro bodybuilding shows. But Nike or Budweiser or Staples aren't going to get near a sport so tainted by drugs. Only supplement companies seem willing to do that. Perhaps the reason why almost all IFBB pro shows are in the US is because only in the US are dietary supplement laws so lax that supplement companies are able to make huge profits. Supplement companies aren't willing to sponsor contests outside the US because they can't sell their products there.
But again, why can't a bodybuilding contest, or a series of contests held over a month or so, survive on just the revenue from the gate?
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and have to pay some huge franchise fee to the IFBB. Perhaps the IFBB should give up their franchise fee, or even kick in some money to help develop shows throughout the world, to help develop a fan base. Invest some money to improve the long term health of the business.
the franchise fee is the biggest load of shit going...
the ifbb gets paid upfront no matter what...
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the business of bodybuilding is flawed from top to bottom. and it's unsustainable.
I don't understand why supplement companies would sponsor bodybuilding shows in the first place because people who attend shows are not their target demographics, 15-25 year old males. yet the shows are created as these mega events that they expect people to fly in for the weekend, not exactly what 15-25 year olds are likely to do. I don't know why a supplement company would buy a booth at the Olympia expo, which is a trade show for people in the industry. Its not an effective way to reach the people who buy your product.
Even without the internet, the US bodybuilding mags are killing themselves by creating products that no one can or would want to read on a regular basis. 400-500 pages a month, ads made to look like articles or athlete profiles! the kids read it because they don't know better, but the kids eventually grow up and realize its all BS. I think all the ads, and especially all the deceptive ads, in US magazines has turned people off, decreasing sales, accelerating their decline.
In other parts of the world, Australia, Europe, Latin America, the bodybuilding mags are still magazines, not supplement catalogs. Usually under 200 pages, less than a third ads.
I'm sure some non-US publishers would love to have the short term profit from 300 pages of ads, but the advertisers aren't there. That's because they have stricter laws on what you can sell, or what you can claim in ads. In Mexico, you can buy anabolic steroids without a script at any pharmacy, but there are very few of the big name supplements because the Mexican government requires you to prove that your supplement does what you say it does.
It would be great if non-supplement companies would get involved with sponsoring pro bodybuilding shows. But Nike or Budweiser or Staples aren't going to get near a sport so tainted by drugs. Only supplement companies seem willing to do that. Perhaps the reason why almost all IFBB pro shows are in the US is because only in the US are dietary supplement laws so lax that supplement companies are able to make huge profits. Supplement companies aren't willing to sponsor contests outside the US because they can't sell their products there.
But again, why can't a bodybuilding contest, or a series of contests held over a month or so, survive on just the revenue from the gate?
What are you talking about? We (BB.com) sell a great deal of supplements outside the US, as does Weider Inc. (who does MOST of their business there) and sell millions
As for non supplement companies...it's got nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with numbers, which arent enough to justify them getting involved....their advertising schemes get the same audience through other means (like commercials which hit anyone who has a TV)
And to answer your last question: why cant BB contests survive on gate revenue? Because it's not even close to break even for all the costs involved...we dont draw enough people to count on the gate....
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What are you talking about? We (BB.com) sell a great deal of supplements outside the US, as does Weider Inc. (who does MOST of their business there) and sell millions
As for non supplement companies...it's got nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with numbers, which arent enough to justify them getting involved....their advertising schemes get the same audience through other means (like commercials which hit anyone who has a TV)
And to answer your last question: why cant BB contests survive on gate revenue? Because it's not even close to break even for all the costs involved...we dont draw enough people to count on the gate....
then the IFBB/AMI/Weider/Promoters need to find a way to draw fans
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1 New York City Pro $125,000
2 Los Angeles Pro $95,000
3 Chicago Pro $100,000
4 Houston Pro $100,000
5 Phoenix Pro $125,000
6 Philadelphia Pro $125,000
7 San Antonio Pro $125,000
8 San Diego Pro $110,000
9 Dallas Pro $95,000
10 San Jose Pro $100,000
11 Detroit Pro $100,000
12 Jacksonville Pro $110,000
13 Indianapolis Pro $125,000
14 San Francisco Pro $125,000
15 Columbus Pro $110,000
16 Austin Pro $90,000
17 Memphis Pro $100,000
18 Fort Worth Pro $125,000
19 Baltimore Pro $125,000
20 Charlotte Pro $100,000
21 El Paso Pro $125,000
22 Boston Pro $125,000
23 Seattle Pro $125,000
24 Washington Pro $95,000
25 Milwaukee Pro $80,000
:D Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?
Where are you getting these? Would love to see Dates....I live in Boston and would love to see a Pro Show here
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It seems like Joe Weider alone could take bodybuilding to the next level, if he chose to. If Joe set up a fund to give the Olympia winner $1 million, that alone would draw more fan interest and maybe TV interest. It seems odd that Joe has more money than he can spend, but is not willing to set some aside for the biggest show in bodybuilding (with his name on it).
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It seems odd that Joe has more money than he can spend, but is not willing to set some aside for the biggest show in bodybuilding (with his name on it).
pound foolish
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What are you talking about? We (BB.com) sell a great deal of supplements outside the US, as does Weider Inc. (who does MOST of their business there) and sell millions
that kind of supports my point. if some people are willing to pay the incredibly expensive international shipping rates when ordering from bb.com it's because they can't get them locally. they can't get them locally because those governments won't allow the supplement manufacturers in without some proof the product work. Sure you can get the weight gainers, protein powders and vitamins throughout the world, which is what Weider Inc mostly sells in those countries. But those aren't the high markup items of dubious value that the US companies have made their billions on.
my point remains: the supplement companies aren't interested in sponsoring contests outside the US because they can't sell their main products in those countries. that's because they're unable or unwilling to spend the money to prove their products do what they claim.
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that kind of supports my point. if some people are willing to pay the incredibly expensive international shipping rates when ordering from bb.com it's because they can't get them locally. they can't get them locally because those governments won't allow the supplement manufacturers in without some proof the product work. Sure you can get the weight gainers, protein powders and vitamins throughout the world, which is what Weider Inc mostly sells in those countries. But those aren't the high markup items of dubious value that the US companies have made their billions on.
my point remains: the supplement companies aren't interested in sponsoring contests outside the US because they can't sell their main products in those countries. that's because they're unable or unwilling to spend the money to prove their products do what they claim.
How would you know what Weider and BB.com MOSTLY sell in EWurope, etc?
Please tell me, I'm dying to hear this one
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Weider Knows BB is a laughing stock and just loves feeding off the Poor Dumb BBs.If they still compete with all that Drug use for a MASSIVE $10K why the hell increase the amount of Money only a fool would spend 15k to have a chance at 10k.Why NOT have more IFBB shows after all you DON'T allow the Pros to compete else where.Criminals.
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How would you know what Weider and BB.com MOSTLY sell in EWurope, etc?
Please tell me, I'm dying to hear this one
well, bb.com doesn't sell anything locally in Europe or Latin America. they're a mail order reseller. I'm sure bb.com sells all the big brands to European customers. That supports my point that the big brands can't sell locally, in the neighborhood health food stores. Why would someone outside the US buy from bb.com and pay an additional 30-50% for international shipping if they could get it locally?
as far as Weider, all you have to do is go to their products page at http://www.weider.com/products.php and you'll see there's no NO products, no andros, no gh boosters, no 'homeopathic' sprays, none of the products of dubious value that made the major US brands rich.
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well, bb.com doesn't sell anything locally in Europe or Latin America. they're a mail order reseller. I'm sure bb.com sells all the big brands to European customers. That supports my point that the big brands can't sell locally, in the neighborhood health food stores. Why would someone outside the US buy from bb.com and pay an additional 30-50% for international shipping if they could get it locally?
as far as Weider, all you have to do is go to their products page at http://www.weider.com/products.php and you'll see there's no NO products, no andros, no gh boosters, none of the products of dubious value that made the major US brands rich.
I'm failing to see how this supports your point...If BB.com, Weider, Europa, and a host of other companies sell millions in Europe....why would they not support a show there? No one cares WHY they buy, the point is that they DO buy...
That said, what does this have to do with anything related to the conversation?
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apparently a recession is a cure for repressed homosexuality.
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I'm failing to see how this supports your point...If BB.com, Weider, Europa, and a host of other companies sell millions in Europe....why would they not support a show there? No one cares WHY they buy, the point is that they DO buy...
That said, what does this have to do with anything related to the conversation?
uh, tim...? i believe bob directed this at you, sir.
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How would you know what Weider and BB.com MOSTLY sell in EWurope, etc?
Please tell me, I'm dying to hear this one
do the products work? :-X
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uh, tim...? i believe bob directed this at you, sir.
there were too many IFs. IF bb.com sold lots of supplements to Europe, then they would be justified in spending a good part of their marketing budget on sponsoring contests. But simple economics show that Europe is not a big source of income for bb.com. A kid in Europe pays a 30-50% surcharge for international shipping to buy something from bb.com. If the product is available locally, he's not going to buy it from bb.com. So therefore it makes no sense for bb.com to spend money sponsoring a show outside the US.
IF Europa could sell the low cost/high profit products like the NO supplements and GH boosters to local supplement stores outside the US, then they'd be justified in spending a good part of their marketing budget on contests. But the laws in many other countries are different than in the US, and you have to provide evidence of your claims. (and in some other countries, steroids are over the counter, so why would a bodybuilder buy meta steroid supplements?)
Weider International's line of products is almost exclusively protein powders and weight gainers. Not exactly the high volume high profit items that would make it worthwhile to sponsor a contest.
just look at bodybuilding mags. in the US they're all 300-500 page supplement catalogs. They're not like that in Europe, Australia, Asia or Latin America. If supplements were so profitable in those countries, why wouldn't the supplement companies be buying up the ads in those magazines? Supplements are not the cash cow in other parts of the world as it is in the US. If it's not cost effective to spend money on magazine ads, it's certainly not going to be cost effective to sponsor a contest outside the US.