Author Topic: Chick how many IFBB Pro shows in 09?? (Read 5494 times)

Switznegger · « **on:** March 11, 2009, 09:28:47 PM »

Another one just got cancelled seems BB is not like it once was. IFBB Pro World Cup has been cancelled and many people are Not Happy. It's Not like they pay much to the Pros for winning any of these shows so why can't they run the ones they say they are promoting??

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:34:33 PM »

last year the japan grand prix was cancelled, remember the GNC show of strength, is there a romanian grand prix this year?

Switznegger · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:38:43 PM »

Quote from: Schmoe Buster on March 11, 2009, 09:34:33 PM

last year the japan grand prix was cancelled, remember the GNC show of strength, is there a Romanian grand prix this year?

Yeah they the Promoters know nobody cares about BB so they just cancell and never return the show.IFBB Pro shows all about the MONEY Not the Competitors.As Chick says Not one IFBB Pro competes because of the Money so why don't they eliminate the Pro League??

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:00:19 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 11, 2009, 09:38:43 PM

Yeah they the Promoters know nobody cares about BB so they just cancell and never return the show.IFBB Pro shows all about the MONEY Not the Competitors.As Chick says Not one IFBB Pro competes because of the Money so why don't they eliminate the Pro League??

no wonder BB fan base is so small since both the big shows are in vegas and columbus unless you live in those place you need to travel and get a hotel and time off work to attend them, and if you live outside the USA/North America how are you supposed to see pro shows, back in the 80's they had grand prix tours everywhere especially europe, now what do we have? AMI are not expanding BB they are shrinking it, im sure Chick will post some rubbish about it being the fans fault etc, what a tool

240 is Back · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:11:02 PM »

there are still 20 to 25 shows per year, relax guys

Switznegger · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:33:30 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:11:02 PM

there are still 20 to 25 shows per year, relax guys

For IFBB Pro men???Print them here oh and what's the total prize money when you take away the Arnold and the Olympia??

240 is Back · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM »

Quote from: Switznegger on March 11, 2009, 10:33:30 PM

For IFBB Pro men???Print them here oh and what's the total prize money when you take away the Arnold and the Olympia??

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95,000
3   Chicago   Pro   $100,000
4   Houston   Pro   $100,000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $125,000
6   Philadelphia Pro   $125,000
7   San Antonio Pro   $125,000
8   San Diego Pro   $110,000
9   Dallas   Pro   $95,000
10   San Jose   Pro   $100,000
11   Detroit   Pro   $100,000
12   Jacksonville Pro   $110,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $125,000
14   San Francisco Pro   $125,000
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000
16   Austin   Pro   $90,000
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

Switznegger · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:39:56 PM »

They WISH

LatsMcGee · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:53:35 PM »

Chick doesn't talk to us now that he moved to Florida. They have him on a tight schedule; he has to be up early for bocce' ball.

timfogarty · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:43:47 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
...
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

there is a problem with your (and the IFBB's) way of thinking.

Where is the UK Pro? the French Pro, the Norway Pro, the German Pro, the Russia Pro, the South Africa Pro, the Beijing Pro, the Dubai Pro, the Cairo Pro, the Mexico Pro, the Rio Pro?

Yes, I know its a chicken and egg problem. How can you hold a show without fans willing to buy tickets? and how can you build a fan base without shows?

TRIX · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2009, 11:51:08 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95,000
3   Chicago   Pro   $100,000
4   Houston   Pro   $100,000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $125,000
6   Philadelphia Pro   $125,000
7   San Antonio Pro   $125,000
8   San Diego Pro   $110,000
9   Dallas   Pro   $95,000
10   San Jose   Pro   $100,000
11   Detroit   Pro   $100,000
12   Jacksonville Pro   $110,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $125,000
14   San Francisco Pro   $125,000
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000
16   Austin   Pro   $90,000
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

thats total prize money

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2009, 01:50:51 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 11, 2009, 11:43:47 PM

there is a problem with your (and the IFBB's) way of thinking.

Where is the UK Pro? the French Pro, the Norway Pro, the German Pro, the Russia Pro, the South Africa Pro, the Beijing Pro, the Dubai Pro, the Cairo Pro, the Mexico Pro, the Rio Pro?

Yes, I know its a chicken and egg problem. How can you hold a show without fans willing to buy tickets? and how can you build a fan base without shows?

Tim you are right, the IFBB has amateur orgs in nearly every country, even Afghanistan, so there are bodybuilders everywhere in the world, those bodybuilders have friends and family that will watch them compete plus in some parts of the world like the Middle East bodybuilding is looked at in a far more positive light than in the west, in the UK NABBA does pretty well, in Germany the NAC does pretty well, even FAME run shows in the UK and Philippines, the IFBB/AMI needs to build an overseas market for shows, there are fans who will want to see the big name pros, its not like bodybuilding has no exposure in other countries, many countries have local versions of Flex and Ironman etc, also they need to make it easier for some countries to give pro cards, its hard for a lot of Asian and Europeans to get pro cards because they must win their national, continental and worlds to get a pro card, and the latter 2 being ''drug tested''.
I'm sure Chick will post a single sentance answer dismissing what any of us have posted, guess he dont care as long as his cheque clears

Mars · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2009, 01:53:29 AM »

Chick · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:28:28 AM »

Quote from: Schmoe Buster on March 12, 2009, 01:50:51 AM

Tim you are right, the IFBB has amateur orgs in nearly every country, even Afghanistan, so there are bodybuilders everywhere in the world, those bodybuilders have friends and family that will watch them compete plus in some parts of the world like the Middle East bodybuilding is looked at in a far more positive light than in the west, in the UK NABBA does pretty well, in Germany the NAC does pretty well, even FAME run shows in the UK and Philippines, the IFBB/AMI needs to build an overseas market for shows, there are fans who will want to see the big name pros, its not like bodybuilding has no exposure in other countries, many countries have local versions of Flex and Ironman etc, also they need to make it easier for some countries to give pro cards, its hard for a lot of Asian and Europeans to get pro cards because they must win their national, continental and worlds to get a pro card, and the latter 2 being ''drug tested''.
I'm sure Chick will post a single sentance answer dismissing what any of us have posted, guess he dont care as long as his cheque clears

Not quite sure what your problem is....after crunching the numbers, it was shown that the loss was going to be far too much with the current economic climate...so we decided to cancel going forward for this year before we got any deeper...next year, we'll take another look to see if it's viable.

Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....

The_Punisher · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2009, 05:32:58 AM »

Quote from: LatsMcGee on March 11, 2009, 10:53:35 PM

Chick doesn't talk to us now that he moved to Florida. They have him on a tight schedule; he has to be up early for bocce' ball.

I just found out he moved to florida from the Bobservation colunm in Flex mag. I think he'll love it down south. it just that it rains too much in Florida

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:42:30 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 12, 2009, 05:28:28 AM

Not quite sure what your problem is....after crunching the numbers, it was shown that the loss was going to be far too much with the current economic climate...so we decided to cancel going forward for this year before we got any deeper...next year, we'll take another look to see if it's viable.

Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....

Bob cant the IFBB look into finding more promoters especially in so far untapped markets like the middle east or asia for example, i know it might seem the numbers dont add up on paper but perhaps taking a risk to try to expand BB is whats needed, asking national IFBB feds to perhaps do some of the work while IFBB HQ just supervises and advise and perhaps help getting some of the top pros to enter, the local fed can organize venue, local sponsors, promotion, hold a convention alongside the show so sponsors get to sell their wares etc
i know last years japan grand prix being canceled had a lot to do with Hide getting busted and losing a local sponsor but it can be tried again!
dont you think there should be at least a Masters Pro every year?

jaejonna · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2009, 08:45:25 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95,000
3   Chicago   Pro   $100,000
4   Houston   Pro   $100,000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $125,000
6   Philadelphia Pro   $125,000
7   San Antonio Pro   $125,000
8   San Diego Pro   $110,000
9   Dallas   Pro   $95,000
10   San Jose   Pro   $100,000
11   Detroit   Pro   $100,000
12   Jacksonville Pro   $110,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $125,000
14   San Francisco Pro   $125,000
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000
16   Austin   Pro   $90,000
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

What about the Mountaineer Show in NC

DeketheCreep · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2009, 10:03:45 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95
3   Chicago   Pro   $10
4   Houston   Pro   $1000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $135,
6   Philadelphia Pro   $120
7   San Antonio Pro   $13
8   San Diego Pro   $11
9   Dallas   Pro   $55
10   San Jose   Pro   $100
11   Detroit   Pro   $Stolen Car
12   Jacksonville Pro   $1,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $13
14   San Francisco Pro   $Schmoe For A Day
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000000
16   Austin   Pro   $99
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Schmoe Pro   $80,0000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

hey wow no cleveland pro what the hell brah!

timfogarty · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2009, 11:07:33 AM »

Quote from: Chick on March 12, 2009, 05:28:28 AM

Shows come and go...it's the nature of the business, especially given that they are run by promoters and not the federation itself....

and have to pay some huge franchise fee to the IFBB. Perhaps the IFBB should give up their franchise fee, or even kick in some money to help develop shows throughout the world, to help develop a fan base. Invest some money to improve the long term health of the business.

240 is Back · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2009, 11:10:30 AM »

what other major sports allow promoters to run shows without interference or guarantees from the sports federation?

You don't have Ace hardware running week 12 NFL games.

If it's a common thing, and there is that required 50k non-refundable fee due 6 months ahead of time, what is the big deal? Wait... did the promoter not have the 50k in the bank 6 months ahead of time?

swilkins1984 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2009, 11:15:57 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95,000
3   Chicago   Pro   $100,000
4   Houston   Pro   $100,000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $125,000
6   Philadelphia Pro   $125,000
7   San Antonio Pro   $125,000
8   San Diego Pro   $110,000
9   Dallas   Pro   $95,000
10   San Jose   Pro   $100,000
11   Detroit   Pro   $100,000
12   Jacksonville Pro   $110,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $125,000
14   San Francisco Pro   $125,000
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000
16   Austin   Pro   $90,000
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

When i saw Memphis Pro I knew you were joking even before the insane prize ammts. My lame ass town will never do bb.

240 is Back · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2009, 11:18:31 AM »

Quote from: swilkins1984 on March 12, 2009, 11:15:57 AM

When i saw Memphis Pro I knew you were joking even before the insane prize ammts. My lame ass town will never do bb.

Look, we TRUE fans don't make every show public. You probably don't hear about half of these shows.

Why? it keeps the audiences down to 'cozy', just how we schmoes like it. There isn't a lot of love in an auditorium packed with 9,000 people. however, when you have 64 people in a high school auditorium, the love is really there.

Chick · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2009, 02:44:18 PM »

Quote from: Schmoe Buster on March 12, 2009, 08:42:30 AM

Bob cant the IFBB look into finding more promoters especially in so far untapped markets like the middle east or asia for example, i know it might seem the numbers dont add up on paper but perhaps taking a risk to try to expand BB is whats needed, asking national IFBB feds to perhaps do some of the work while IFBB HQ just supervises and advise and perhaps help getting some of the top pros to enter, the local fed can organize venue, local sponsors, promotion, hold a convention alongside the show so sponsors get to sell their wares etc
i know last years japan grand prix being canceled had a lot to do with Hide getting busted and losing a local sponsor but it can be tried again!
dont you think there should be at least a Masters Pro every year?

The problem isnt promoters...it's sponsors willing to support even more shows than they're sponsoring now...that combined with a limited fan base, and you see why it is what it is.

Sponsors dont gain much by just giving away MORE free samples to the same audience over and over...

Below Me · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2009, 02:59:49 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on March 11, 2009, 10:37:38 PM

1   New York City Pro   $125,000
2   Los Angeles Pro   $95,000
3   Chicago   Pro   $100,000
4   Houston   Pro   $100,000
5   Phoenix   Pro   $125,000
6   Philadelphia Pro   $125,000
7   San Antonio Pro   $125,000
8   San Diego Pro   $110,000
9   Dallas   Pro   $95,000
10   San Jose   Pro   $100,000
11   Detroit   Pro   $100,000
12   Jacksonville Pro   $110,000
13   Indianapolis Pro   $125,000
14   San Francisco Pro   $125,000
15   Columbus   Pro   $110,000
16   Austin   Pro   $90,000
17   Memphis   Pro   $100,000
18   Fort Worth Pro   $125,000
19   Baltimore   Pro   $125,000
20   Charlotte   Pro   $100,000
21   El Paso   Pro   $125,000
22   Boston   Pro   $125,000
23   Seattle   Pro   $125,000
24   Washington Pro   $95,000
25   Milwaukee Pro   $80,000

   Hey, it looks good on paper, doesn't it?

Hey, why did you steal the Pro Bowling Tour schedule?

Switznegger · « **Reply #24 on:** March 12, 2009, 03:45:12 PM »

The IFBB get $10k for small shows from the sponsor to allow them to use the IFBB name the Winner of small IFBB Pro shows wins $10k where's the Problem seems about right.After all if there was No IFBB there would be No BBs hey wait a minute is that the other way around??IFBB do NOTHING for BB except TAKE TAKE TAKE.Why not have a WEIDER classic with $1000000 dollars 1st prize after all it would just REDUCE their TAX.