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guys i'm finding that i'm melting down at the least little thing these days.
for a while i thought it was just my annoying family/neighbours/friends and still do a bit, but you know the saying if everyone else is crazy, perhaps its you. well....................
i've been stressed out with a few things for a while too.
is there anything you guys do/take to chill - not more drugs :D
its not got to the nutter stage or anything, but i would like it to stop without having to stop gear for ever :-\
i'm only on a dbol and winny.
has anyone else had this ? is it in my head or what ?
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Winny makes me pissy as shit personaly, i never take it anymore.
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are you naturally a moody person?? or do you consider yourself pretty relaxed? when im on juice i do my best to keep a level head so that i dont live up to the stereotypes that go along with AAS...you can always get ya some xanex or valium if ya wanna go the drug route if you cant control it ;)
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imo gear amplifies a stressful situation.
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guys i'm finding that i'm melting down at the least little thing these days.
for a while i thought it was just my annoying family/neighbours/friends and still do a bit, but you know the saying if everyone else is crazy, perhaps its you. well....................
i've been stressed out with a few things for a while too.
is there anything you guys do/take to chill - not more drugs :D
its not got to the nutter stage or anything, but i would like it to stop without having to stop gear for ever :-\
i'm only on a dbol and winny.
has anyone else had this ? is it in my head or what ?
Run some test with your cycle. Test promotes a sense of well being.
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i never have had roid rage, in fact i am calmer on the juice. perhaps your just bitchy naturally
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Run some test with your cycle. Test promotes a sense of well being.
agreed, i was a happy man with 500mg test E
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Is this a joke? D-bol and winny?
If it's not a joke, I'll give you my universal response to melting down on gear - if you think you're mature enough to fuck around with steroids then you should be mature enough to be a man. Men don't break down like bitches and go ape shit on people, especially loved ones. The internet is one thing... I melt down all the time, then 5 minutes later I don't even remember that I posted in a thread. But IN REAL LIFE I would never snap shit like that.
If you think you can handle supraphysiological levels of testosterone and steroids, but you break down like a feeble bitch... you are a loser, straight up. No if's, and's or butt's. There is simply no excuse.
The most androgenic cycle I ran was 400mgs of test each week with around 250mgs of tren each week. Even with a tiny bit of test and tren I certainly felt the "aggression". But I use it as positive aggression. If my family puts me in a tight spot I stay calm, step back and look at the situation just as I would off cycle and deal with it appropriately. Shit's no different whether you're "on" or "off". When you're crankin' on the sauce you just need to be especially aware of your actions. Nothing's worse than a homo bodybuilder who thinks he's the shit because he's jabbing down mad steroids.
Even if you're bad at dealing with aggression and anger, take it out at the gym. If you're losing your cool whether you're "on" or "off", you need to get your head checked. Nothing is more embarrassing than someone who can't control their emotions in real life, especially an emotion so simply understood as anger. I have zero respect for people who lose their cool in real life. :-X
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I'm not one to lose my temper at all normally, but I've been a bit stressed for the last few months, with threats of losing place to stay, lost job, no money etc - like most theses days i imagine.
i am not sure though if its my stress thats maybe just getting worse, or if the gear is making me feel worse.
i do not shout my head off or smash things like you see in the movies :D
but part of me wants too :-[
i did get a new job last week :) so thats a big relief, hopefully things Will ease off.
if its the cycle, I'm almost finished so i suppose I'll see if i improve before then.
i have test for my next cycle so hopefully if it is the gear, that will help.
thanks for the responce lads.
p.s. dustin - fuck you bitch >:( ;D
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Dude if money is a problem then why are u spending it on gear? Get your priorites straight and maybe your life will not suck so bad.....the juice cost a bit of money. When you add up the price itself, increased food intake, suppliments, gym pass, its quite a bit. I do not know you personal I only know what I have read you post but IMO you should not be on gear b/c you cannot manage your life without venting like a female. People like you are the reason gear is a felony.
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Okay, well in that case it's just some aggression but you're not ACTING OUT on it, so it's all good. If you were snapping shit then you'd be scum.
I feel you on the financial side of things though. I haven't been on for a long time now. Was waiting on some gear that hasn't come through since the New Year and if it doesn't arrive then I don't think I'll be juicing for a long while due to monetary constraints. Fuckin' economy!
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Dude if money is a problem then why are u spending it on gear? Get your priorites straight and maybe your life will not suck so bad.....the juice cost a bit of money. When you add up the price itself, increased food intake, suppliments, gym pass, its quite a bit. I do not know you personal I only know what I have read you post but IMO you should not be on gear b/c you cannot manage your life without venting like a female. People like you are the reason gear is a felony.
wow, talk about jumping to conclusions.
i am very sensible with money, and i've had this gear for a while, i was simply using it up.
i was finishing my 2nd degree this one in teaching, using money i saved while working for a few years before, i simply didn't count on being unable to find work for 4- 5 months after.
so what were you saying about people like me ::)
Okay, well in that case it's just some aggression but you're not ACTING OUT on it, so it's all good. If you were snapping shit then you'd be scum.
I feel you on the financial side of things though. I haven't been on for a long time now. Was waiting on some gear that hasn't come through since the New Year and if it doesn't arrive then I don't think I'll be juicing for a long while due to monetary constraints. Fuckin' economy!
good luck mate, hopefully it will turn around for you too. 8)
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I have am in education to bro..............a male finding a job in that market should be easy unless you suck at interviews............I have been teaching for 2 years and i had a job offer from 4 different schools before i even graduated.....what are you social studies? Women or guys that teach social studies are the one that may have to wait 3-4 months to find a job upon certification....I am in special education so I got hooked up.
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steroids are not illegal because of any type of "gear user".
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You need to check your baseline testosterone levels. I'm willing to bet taking only dbol and Winny, you've completely shut natural production down and have subnormal testosterone levels---thats why you are flying off the handle.
I was a walking time bomb when I had test levels under 175. When I started TRT and got things straightened out with my body, things got waaaay better with me. I don't get near as worked up as I used to, hell if anything I've been accused of being "too mellow". Irritability and even aggression are well documented in hypogonadal men.
Personally I think "roid rage" is mostly crap. People who will fly off are going to fly off no matter what.
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I have am in education to bro..............a male finding a job in that market should be easy unless you suck at interviews............I have been teaching for 2 years and i had a job offer from 4 different schools before i even graduated.....what are you social studies? Women or guys that teach social studies are the one that may have to wait 3-4 months to find a job upon certification....I am in special education so I got hooked up.
my 1st was in computing, the 2nd was in primary teaching i.e. all subjects.
doesn't matter now anyway, as i got work.
You need to check your baseline testosterone levels. I'm willing to bet taking only dbol and Winny, you've completely shut natural production down and have subnormal testosterone levels---thats why you are flying off the handle.
I was a walking time bomb when I had test levels under 175. When I started TRT and got things straightened out with my body, things got waaaay better with me. I don't get near as worked up as I used to, hell if anything I've been accused of being "too mellow". Irritability and even aggression are well documented in hypogonadal men.
Personally I think "roid rage" is mostly crap. People who will fly off are going to fly off no matter what.
i always felt roid rage was crap too, and it was just the person's personality. I have also used these 2 compounds before with no anger issues. Perhaps now that i'm older my test levels are the problem. It makes sense.
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yea like i said, i get people asking why i am so mellow, its b/c I am on cycle but i never tell them. They think i am like bi-polar or some shit. when I go off I get mega depressed, but i think thats more my personality and the disapointment that i cannot put up as much as usuall.
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You need to check your baseline testosterone levels. I'm willing to bet taking only dbol and Winny, you've completely shut natural production down and have subnormal testosterone levels---thats why you are flying off the handle.
I was a walking time bomb when I had test levels under 175. When I started TRT and got things straightened out with my body, things got waaaay better with me. I don't get near as worked up as I used to, hell if anything I've been accused of being "too mellow". Irritability and even aggression are well documented in hypogonadal men.
Personally I think "roid rage" is mostly crap. People who will fly off are going to fly off no matter what.
Agree , your estrogen is higher than your test hence you are bitchy.get some liquid gold up ya.
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grow up and stop being a little bitch who thinks the world is supposed to conform to what you want. ::)
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You need to check your baseline testosterone levels. I'm willing to bet taking only dbol and Winny, you've completely shut natural production down and have subnormal testosterone levels---thats why you are flying off the handle.
I was a walking time bomb when I had test levels under 175. When I started TRT and got things straightened out with my body, things got waaaay better with me. I don't get near as worked up as I used to, hell if anything I've been accused of being "too mellow". Irritability and even aggression are well documented in hypogonadal men.
Personally I think "roid rage" is mostly crap. People who will fly off are going to fly off no matter what.
Vet, I experienced the EXACT same feelings/emotions before I found out my Test levels were VERY low and got on HRT. Afterwards, I felt like a million bucks - much more level headed.
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i'll be doing pct in a few weeks, so hopefully i'll be bouncing again soon :D
i'll also be using test as base from now on i think.
thanks for the feedback lads.
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Add something positive to the board or don't post here any more. Thanks for your cooperation - 4thAD!
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guys i'm finding that i'm melting down at the least little thing these days.
for a while i thought it was just my annoying family/neighbours/friends and still do a bit, but you know the saying if everyone else is crazy, perhaps its you. well....................
i've been stressed out with a few things for a while too.
is there anything you guys do/take to chill - not more drugs :D
its not got to the nutter stage or anything, but i would like it to stop without having to stop gear for ever :-\
i'm only on a dbol and winny.
has anyone else had this ? is it in my head or what ?
Try takeing some tren a at 100mg's every other day....this should smooth things out! :)
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ok well i have a cifferent situation then roid rage,,,, my deal is i am more sensitive to breakdowns and crying over things that i useally bottle up and yes i eat my anti e's
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ok well i have a cifferent situation then roid rage,,,, my deal is i am more sensitive to breakdowns and crying over things that i useally bottle up and yes i eat my anti e's
That can be normal for some, I mean we are playing with hormones here.
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That can be normal for some, I mean we are playing with hormones here.
thats cool cause my ole lady has even noticed that ill do that and she said ask the guys so thanks 4th,,,, one more thing is going to get worse during PCT?
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ok well i have a cifferent situation then roid rage,,,, my deal is i am more sensitive to breakdowns and crying over things that i useally bottle up and yes i eat my anti e's
yeah, that seems more normal, clomid and nolva only block estrogen from the breast, not system wide estrogen.
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i also have letro and adex
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i also have letro and adex
in studies letro eradicates all estrogen in the body, how do you take it ?
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letro nor adex gets rid of all estrogen in the body. Maybe if you really over did it, it could. 2.5mg letro will lower estrogens 46-62% depending on age. Letro is good for PCT, but aromasin is even better.
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in studies letro eradicates all estrogen in the body, how do you take it ?
i use my adex e3rd day if i feel my tits are off ill eat letro for 3 days and on the first day i will take a nolva to stop any more estro going to my existent gyno after the letro my chest feels fine
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thats cool cause my ole lady has even noticed that ill do that and she said ask the guys so thanks 4th,,,, one more thing is going to get worse during PCT?
Yes this could get worse in PCT. Clomid makes some people really emotional.
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Yes this could get worse in PCT. Clomid makes some people really emotional.
damn that aint cool
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you'll be OK just expect that it might happen, and prepare for it.
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you'll be OK just expect that it might happen, and prepare for it.
yeah i got plenty of everything ill need i will just up my ECA i feel better when i am on uppers
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clomid makes me nut like a porn star..............
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I felt like a bitch on Nolvadex, can't imagine Clomid.
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letro nor adex gets rid of all estrogen in the body. Maybe if you really over did it, it could. 2.5mg letro will lower estrogens 46-62% depending on age. Letro is good for PCT, but aromasin is even better.
sorry 4thad, that is not true. it get's rid of 100% in this study:
Aromatase inhibition, testosterone, and seizures.Harden C, MacLusky NJ.
Department of Neurology and Neuroscience, Comprehensive Epilepsy Center, Weill Medical College of Cornell University, New York, NY, USA. clharden@med.cornell.edu
The effect of testosterone on brain excitability is unclear. The excitatory aspect of testosterone's action in the brain may be due to its conversion to estrogen via aromatase. We report herein a 61-year-old man with temporal lobe epilepsy and sexual dysfunction due to low testosterone levels. Use of an aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, normalized his testosterone level and improved his sexual functioning. Letrozole, in addition to standard antiseizure medication, was also associated with improved seizure control. This was sustained and, further, was associated with seizure exacerbation after withdrawing letrozole, and subsequent seizure improvement after restarting it. During the course of treatment, his serum testosterone level increased, sex hormone-binding globulin decreased (SHBG), luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) levels increased, while serum estradiol levels remained undetectable . Letrozole may, therefore, have produced a central alteration in the testosterone/estrogen ratio, thereby impairing estrogen-mediated feedback control of the pituitary, resulting in the observed increase in circulating LH and FSH levels. This experience suggests that aromatase inhibitors should be further investigated as a beneficial treatment modality for male patients with epilepsy.
and 98% in this one:
Aromatase inhibition: translation into a successful therapeutic approach.Geisler J, Lønning PE.
Department of Medicine, Section of Oncology, Haukeland University Hospital, Bergen, Norway.
The development of the novel third-generation aromatase inhibitors and inactivators for breast cancer treatment is one of the most successful contemporary achievements in cancer therapy. Parallel to studies evaluating toxicity and clinical efficacy in metastatic disease, the endocrine effects of multiple compounds were evaluated, leading to the identification of the highly potent third-generation aromatase inhibitors based on estrogen deprivation and aromatase inhibition in vivo. Thus, translational studies have been of vital importance identifying the unique characteristics of these compounds. Whereas first- and second-generation aromatase inhibitors inhibit estrogen synthesis in vivo by up to 90%, the third-generation compounds anastrozole, exemestane, and letrozole were found to cause > or =98% aromatase inhibition. This article summarizes and discusses the "translational research" that provided the background for the implementation of the third-generation aromatase inhibitors and inactivators into large clinical trials. The need for future translational research exploiting the mechanisms of resistance to these compounds for future improvement of endocrine therapy is emphasized.
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googler
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i use my adex e3rd day if i feel my tits are off ill eat letro for 3 days and on the first day i will take a nolva to stop any more estro going to my existent gyno after the letro my chest feels fine
the letro has a 2-4 day half life, it also can cause estrogen rebound when you come off, so stoping and starting is probably causing your sex hormones to go haywire.
i would personally leave it out and stick with the adex untill you finished your cycle. then if you have slight gyno try the anti gyno letro protocol.
googler
well i'm not funding and running these studies myself :D
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the letro has a 2-4 day half life, it also can cause estrogen rebound when you come off, so stoping and starting is probably causing your sex hormones to go haywire.
i would personally leave it out and stick with the adex untill you finished your cycle. then if you have slight gyno try the anti gyno letro protocol.
really i thought you should use letro at the point where you need a strong one and then get off of it
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I'd like to know more info on these studies, because I have posted recent studies that show this not to be the case.
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sorry 4thad, that is not true. it get's rid of 100% in this study:
Aromatase inhibition, testosterone, and seizures.Harden C, MacLusky NJ.
Department of Neurology and Neuroscience, Comprehensive Epilepsy Center, Weill Medical College of Cornell University, New York, NY, USA. clharden@med.cornell.edu
The effect of testosterone on brain excitability is unclear. The excitatory aspect of testosterone's action in the brain may be due to its conversion to estrogen via aromatase. We report herein a 61-year-old man with temporal lobe epilepsy and sexual dysfunction due to low testosterone levels. Use of an aromatase inhibitor, letrozole, normalized his testosterone level and improved his sexual functioning. Letrozole, in addition to standard antiseizure medication, was also associated with improved seizure control. This was sustained and, further, was associated with seizure exacerbation after withdrawing letrozole, and subsequent seizure improvement after restarting it. During the course of treatment, his serum testosterone level increased, sex hormone-binding globulin decreased (SHBG), luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) levels increased, while serum estradiol levels remained undetectable . Letrozole may, therefore, have produced a central alteration in the testosterone/estrogen ratio, thereby impairing estrogen-mediated feedback control of the pituitary, resulting in the observed increase in circulating LH and FSH levels. This experience suggests that aromatase inhibitors should be further investigated as a beneficial treatment modality for male patients with epilepsy.
and 98% in this one:
Aromatase inhibition: translation into a successful therapeutic approach.Geisler J, Lønning PE.
Department of Medicine, Section of Oncology, Haukeland University Hospital, Bergen, Norway.
The development of the novel third-generation aromatase inhibitors and inactivators for breast cancer treatment is one of the most successful contemporary achievements in cancer therapy. Parallel to studies evaluating toxicity and clinical efficacy in metastatic disease, the endocrine effects of multiple compounds were evaluated, leading to the identification of the highly potent third-generation aromatase inhibitors based on estrogen deprivation and aromatase inhibition in vivo. Thus, translational studies have been of vital importance identifying the unique characteristics of these compounds. Whereas first- and second-generation aromatase inhibitors inhibit estrogen synthesis in vivo by up to 90%, the third-generation compounds anastrozole, exemestane, and letrozole were found to cause > or =98% aromatase inhibition. This article summarizes and discusses the "translational research" that provided the background for the implementation of the third-generation aromatase inhibitors and inactivators into large clinical trials. The need for future translational research exploiting the mechanisms of resistance to these compounds for future improvement of endocrine therapy is emphasized.
This is interesting info, and I will be looking further into this. This study does not show the dose that was given and one of the studies is only on one 61 yo man. Does the other medication affect estrogen? I don't know, but I have posted the studies which show a 46-62% decrease in estrogen dependent on age!
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This is interesting info, and I will be looking further into this. This study does not show the dose that was given and one of the studies is only on one 61 yo man. Does the other medication affect estrogen? I don't know, but I have posted the studies which show a 46-62% decrease in estrogen dependent on age!
if you have a link to them i'd like to read them :)
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Ive posted them on the board numerous times in the past.
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i found them after a search.
the study titled:
Comparative Assessment in Young and Elderly Men of the Gonadotropin Response to Aromatase Inhibition
http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/90/10/5717?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=SHBG&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=200&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT
was very interesting, and basically shows that letro only gets rid of 100% of estrogen in some subjects - namely 61 year old males :-\ :-[
still, at least i learned something :)
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I'm always learning on these boards bro, thats why I'm here. I hate to admit, but even Tbombz has taught me a thing or two, and has made me think even more than that. I just had this discussion with my Guru(the guy I look too in these situations), and he pointed out a couple of things to remember. 1) the studies are almost always run on people with natural estrogen levels. Whether they be high or not, still natural. 2) when on 500mg test your test levels can be around 5x normal, and a dose of letro @ 2.5mg will bring down the estrogen, but probably not even to a normal level. Just something to think about. ;D
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I'm always learning on these boards bro, thats why I'm here. I hate to admit, but even Tbombz has taught me a thing or two, and has made me think even more than that. I just had this discussion with my Guru(the guy I look too in these situations), and he pointed out a couple of things to remember. 1) the studies are almost always run on people with natural estrogen levels. Whether they be high or not, still natural. 2) when on 500mg test your test levels can be around 5x normal, and a dose of letro @ 2.5mg will bring down the estrogen, but probably not even to a normal level. Just something to think about. ;D
tbombz posts have taught me some things too. Deep tissue massages mostly ;D :-X