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Species Nutrition
14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401
Contact Phone: (718) 995-4145
URL (web address):
Business Category: Miscellaneous Food Stores, Nsk in Jamaica, NY
Industry (SIC): Miscellaneous Food Stores
This company profile is for the private company Species Nutrition , located in Jamaica, NY. Species Nutrition's line of business is miscellaneous food stores, nsk.
Company Name: Species Nutrition
Is This Your Company?
Address: 14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $110,000
Est. # of Employees: 2
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 2Year Started: 2008
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 5499
Contact's Name:
Contact's Title:
NAICS: Food (Health) Supplement Stores
Data above provided by D&B.
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So?
the two are probably making a lot of money.
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lol didn't dave palumbo sell fake hgh? who the fuck would buy his supplements
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so ?
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How silly these "Supplement Companies" are. 8)
Don`t be fooled into thinking there is any research going on with these products or that they even know the quality of their product or anythign about what they are selling for that matter.
Its all a scam and chances are, you will continue to be scanned.
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I just received Palumbo's seminar DVD, I'll watch it tonight 8)
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what exactly were you expecting? wouldn't surprise me even if it was just dave himself
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Species main product is a whey isolate. I doubt anyone can say that whey protein is not backed by science and by personal results. Now when you start getting into Gakic/ Anabolic Halo and all that other goofy stuff that is a whole other ball game.
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(http://www.speciesnutrition.com/images/Species%20Arnold%202009.jpg)
That huge a smile for giving only 1 thousand dollars? ::)
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Haha fucking idiots! Who the hell would buy "Species" nutrition anyways. Kind of like that "Garbage" line of supplements.
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Species main product is a whey isolate. I doubt anyone can say that whey protein is not backed by science and by personal results. Now when you start getting into Gakic/ Anabolic Halo and all that other goofy stuff that is a whole other ball game.
How do you KNOW it is Whey Isolate? How did you verify this? Do you have any idea where the product comes from?
Or are you just going by what the label says? ::)
I bet you cannot answer any of those questions.
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SPECIES CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS!
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SPECIES CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS!
seems pretty big for only two persons.
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wow they are 1000x more successful than your supplement company adonis. Don't hate, replicate.
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SPECIES CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS!
a whole lot of magic happening in that supplement cathedral
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In related news, Sears actually doesn't make Kenmore appliances:).
Like most things, almost all supplement companies don't actually produce their own products. They simply re-brand a standard product, and maybe add a few small changes for their sub-contractor(s) to follow.
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Haha fucking idiots! Who the hell would buy "Species" nutrition anyways. Kind of like that "Garbage" line of supplements.
;) It is a rather pathetic name !
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;D ;D ;D ;D
triple earns that in a fucking hour
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In related news, Sears actually doesn't make Kenmore appliances:).
Like most things, almost all supplement companies don't actually produce their own products. They simply re-brand a standard product, and maybe add a few small changes for their sub-contractor(s) to follow.
Species is NOT marketed as such. It is marketed as THEIR OWN product!
I just would like to know how they develop it and if the claims on the bottle add up.
(http://www.speciesnutrition.com/images/Super%20Freak%20Logo.jpg)
The Evolution of SPECIES™
Over the years, I’ve been asked countless times, “When are you going to start your own supplement company,” and my answer has always been the same: “When I have an original idea!” After extolling the virtues of non-stimulant based fat burners for the last 10 years, I finally discovered a synergism of compounds that I felt was worthy of bearing my name and reputation. It was from this great invisible vision that the SPECIESTM line of fat burners was made a physical reality. LIPOLYZETM and SOMALYZETM were the synthesis of years of trial and error; using myself and my clients as guinea pigs to uncover the ideal qualities and quantities of ingredients that would yield superior fat burning effects. What has been produced is nothing less than miraculous.
The SPECIESTMline of products will continue to champion original thinking and will carry that thought process to its logical conclusion in the form of an entire line of unique supplements that will strictly adhere to my core nutritional beliefs and teachings. Remember, the Theory of Natural Selection insists that only the “fit” survive!
Dave Palumbo
President of SPECIES
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How silly these "Supplement Companies" are. 8)
Don`t be fooled into thinking there is any research going on with these products or that they even know the quality of their product or anythign about what they are selling for that matter.
Its all a scam and chances are, you will continue to be scanned.
Right caveat emptor
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better than nothing i guess :-\ :-\
at least it went to the kids....
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Right caveat emptor
lol what?
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Sorry guys, but giving $1000 to charity is >>>> not giving anything, but laughing at the person who gave away the $1000
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I would like to see inside that 250 sq ft facility that is purportedly manufacturing THEIR OWN PRODUCT based off THEIR OWN RESEARCH. 8)
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lol what?
It's Latin it means buyer beware , you have no clue what is in their products , take your chances with an established company don't blow your money on some two-bit operation
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It's Latin it means buyer beware , you have no clue what is in their products , take your chances with an established company don't blow your money on some two-bit operation
See, things can be learned at getbig! Thanks ND.
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See, things can be learned at getbig! Thanks ND.
;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
triple earns that in a fucking hour
that's pathetic!
they donate only 1 grand and make such a huge deal about it ::)
look at the smile on those idiots, if you are going to donate, don't donate as much as a retired grandpa does every month
to think they actually had the nerve to put this on their index page so everybody could see their very generous 1 thousand donation ::)
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Sorry guys, but giving $1000 to charity is >>>> not giving anything, but laughing at the person who gave away the $1000
I agree, but they have put this on their main page so it's the first thing you see, making it seem like a huge deal.
From a person 1000 is alot, from a supplement company it's nothing, a company like muscletech has atleast a couple of billions networth.
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from a supplement company it's nothing, a company like muscletech has atleast a couple of billions networth.
species < mustletech
read the other thread....species nutrition only makes 6 figures a year.....
so $1000 to them is a big deal. $1000 from muscle tech would infact be a joke....just be happy someone is donating at all in this economy
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(http://www.speciesnutrition.com/order/store/catalog/Isolyze4pund350.gif)
Price $72.99
List price $99.99 ~ You save $27.00
Flavor
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ISOLYZE has no carbohydrates, no lactose (milk sugar), and no fat. Its the purest and most biogically available source of whey protein on the planet.
At SPECIES, we use a sophisticated cold filtration system that carefully separates out the delicate whey protein without damaging it. This procedure has the added benefit of preserving 3 valuable components of whey immunoglobins, lactoferrins, and glycomacropeptidesthat are necessary for optimal immune system function and protein synthesis reactions.
And if all this werent enough, ISOLYZE tastes great too! Gone are the days of the chemical- or sour-tasting whey isolates! With ISOLYZE, you get the best of both worlds great quality and great taste!
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species < mustletech
read the other thread....species nutrition only makes 6 figures a year.....
so $1000 to them is a big deal. $1000 from muscle tech would infact be a joke....just be happy someone is donating at all in this economy
6 figures is a broad range. There is a huge difference between $700K and $150K for example.
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6 figures is a broad range. There is a huge difference between $700K and $150K for example.
$110,000
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TOTAL NUMBER OF ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT ISOLYZE IN A PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL=0
TOTAL NUMBER OF TIMES ISOLYZE HAS UNDERGONE ANY KIND OF SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS=0
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species < mustletech
read the other thread....species nutrition only makes 6 figures a year.....
so $1000 to them is a big deal. $1000 from muscle tech would infact be a joke....just be happy someone is donating at all in this economy
So you are telling me that Kai Greene just made more money in one night than 'species nutrition' does in an entire year? ;D
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So you are telling me that Kai Greene just made more money in one night than 'species nutrition' does in an entire year? ;D
LOL....maybe......probab ly
the $110,000 is estimated SALES....not profit.
so that $1000 charity check might have been a 1/3 of their actual earnings for the quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL....maybe......probably
the $110,000 is estimated SALES....not profit.
so that $1000 charity check might have been a 1/3 of their actual earnings for the quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL, most of the people with a job make more in a year than 'species nutrition' does? ;D
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I would like to see inside that 250 sq ft facility that is purportedly manufacturing THEIR OWN PRODUCT based off THEIR OWN RESEARCH. 8)
Take a breath, chucklehead.
Most, if not all, supplement companies use 3rd party manufacturing companies to mix and package their products. They can also use that company's lab for research and testing. A reputable manufacturer will insist that the product label meets regulatory laws for that product before releasing the order.
So, one or two people can run a quality supplement company, since their job is to:
1) work with a manufacturer to develop, mix, package and label the product
2) Sell the product retail or wholesale
3) Ship the product
Stop being intentionally dense.
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LOL I can visualize how Romano and Palumbo reads these threads and tear their hair out, because they know if they try to defend themselves here they will instantly get called out for the gimmicks they are. Nothing they can do on the most read bodybuilding forum on the web.
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Take a breath, chucklehead.
Most, if not all, supplement companies use 3rd party manufacturing companies to mix and package their products. They can also use that company's lab for research and testing. A reputable manufacturer will insist that the product label meets regulatory laws for that product before releasing the order.
So, one or two people can run a quality supplement company, since their job is to:
1) work with a manufacturer to develop, mix, package and label the product
2) Sell the product retail or wholesale
3) Ship the product
Stop being intentionally dense.
How is this information funneled to the consumer and where can the consumer go to check the veracity of the products? Species is claiming that they are doing the in-house research and developing their own product. Not using someone else`s product or research.
So tell us, since you claim to know, WHERE do these products come from and how can a consumer make any kind of verification as to the origin of the product?
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LOL I can visualize how Romano and Palumbo reads these threads and tear their hair out, because they know if they try to defend themselves here they will instantly get called out for the gimmicks they are. Nothing they can do on the most read bodybuilding forum on the web.
;D ;D
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SPECIES CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS!
you still use AOL instant messenger like a 13 yr old girl ???
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you still use AOL instant messenger like a 13 yr old girl ???
this way it's easier to hook up with 12 year old boys for Adam. ;D
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How is this information funneled to the consumer and where can the consumer go to check the veracity of the products? Species is claiming that they are doing the in-house research and developing their own product. Not using someone else`s product or research.
So tell us, since you claim to know, WHERE do these products come from and how can a consumer make any kind of verification as to the origin of the product?
Shocking :o So much knowledge and still only 115 lb of pure skin and bones ::)
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Guys,Its often one factory that makes many brands of protein for smaller companies
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Guys,Its often one factory that makes many brands of protein for smaller companies
So which one is it?
I have found a few suppliers and found that one offers Protein that can be purchased at about 1000 lbs for 350 dollars.
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Many companies do not make their own products. It fact, 90% of them do not. They have their own formulations, their own labeling, their own style, their own ingredients, and they decide which manufacturer to make them.
We may even bring in Species....
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here's british dragon's lab.
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Many companies do not make their own products. It fact, 90% of them do not. They have their own formulations, their own labeling, their own style, their own ingredients, and they decide which manufacturer to make them.
We may even bring in Species....
Do you think once people discover how and where to buy Whey direct, that the house of cards will crumble? I know first hand how easy it is to get this stuff DIRT CHEAP and direct and I suspect if others do the same, that essentially will cut out the middle man.
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No, I personally think Species might be a good product, so we are looking into the product line on the West Coast. No way will they put in their ingredients nor items that are not on the label.
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Right caveat emptor
Caveat Venditor if he keeps selling fake stuff.
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How is this information funneled to the consumer and where can the consumer go to check the veracity of the products? Species is claiming that they are doing the in-house research and developing their own product. Not using someone else`s product or research.
So tell us, since you claim to know, WHERE do these products come from and how can a consumer make any kind of verification as to the origin of the product?
It's not. The law doesn't require it of any supplement manufacturer. Companies can release whatever quality analysis is done during manufacturing. The key is perspective: it isn't that Species is so much worse than all other supp companies, it's that all other supp companies are no better than Species.
Do you think once people discover how and where to buy Whey direct, that the house of cards will crumble? I know first hand how easy it is to get this stuff DIRT CHEAP and direct and I suspect if others do the same, that essentially will cut out the middle man.
Raw whey tastes like shit. You need to mix it with something to cover the taste. Buying whey direct will never crumble any card houses.
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You can just start a fake company and buy the stuff directly, dirt cheap.
Any difference in "quality" can easily be made up for with a little more quantity.
Still too much of a hassle for most people.
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Do you think once people discover how and where to buy Whey direct, that the house of cards will crumble? I know first hand how easy it is to get this stuff DIRT CHEAP and direct and I suspect if others do the same, that essentially will cut out the middle man.
What is the minimum size of order you can get direct from a manufacturer? Who is going to buy 1000lb of whey? Anyway, in the UK there are loads of bulk suppliers of whey protein and the market is so competitive that it wouldn't be worth purchasing direct.
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I wouldn't buy anything Palumbo is selling. After that fake GH stint, it's hard to put any trust in the guy. Regardless of how good his products might be, the trust is lost.
With regards to the address that Adonis posted up, I'd say that is just a storage house for their products. In other words, they probably run the business from home, where a paypal like program allows cusof the successful orders that were placed with payment received that, in turn, allows them to visit the storage place the next day and start sending shit out at the local post office.. I'm sure they save a shitload of money that way..
Just my guess..
"1"
P.S. Pat Arnold is the only supplement guy I would trust..
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TOTAL NUMBER OF ARTICLES WRITTEN ABOUT ISOLYZE IN A PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL=0
TOTAL NUMBER OF TIMES ISOLYZE HAS UNDERGONE ANY KIND OF SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS=0
FACT: TYPING IN ALL CAPS IN LARGER FONT MAKES SOMETHING A FACT ON THE INTERNET
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wow they are 1000x more successful than your supplement company adonis. Don't hate, replicate.
QFT,
Show us your businesses figures from last year, so we can compare which one is more successful.....
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Do you think once people discover how and where to buy Whey direct, that the house of cards will crumble? I know first hand how easy it is to get this stuff DIRT CHEAP and direct and I suspect if others do the same, that essentially will cut out the middle man.
Good for you.. who CARES what you think btw?
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True Adonis if you want to find out if they are legit or not just send there product in for and independent lab assay.A lab assay doesnt lie.Here is a company I use for all my independent assays.There are very very reputable, reliable, and they are confidential.A assay only takes about a week to have done.Buy a sealed bottle of Species Protein and send it to them
Miller Labs
1675 S.W. 2750 s
Ogden,UT 84401
Phone (801) 627-2202
Fax (801) 627-2203
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Species Nutrition 520% more anabolic then sustanon250
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www.myprotein.co.uk
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The site i use to buy stuff, no fancy shit, just the raw ingredients of your choosing.
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Palumbo is a great stealer of ideas. Yes, he claims all this is his own making .hahahahha.
Palumbo even claims the 'keto diet' to be his own making!
I call for a full inquiry into the business practices and protocols of this former felon.
Blechman obviously saw this coming!
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I would like to see inside that 250 sq ft facility that is purportedly manufacturing THEIR OWN PRODUCT based off THEIR OWN RESEARCH. 8)
hummm....
you claimed you invented a gravity suit :-\
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It is just another dirty scam! Palumbo is no stranger to scams!
I guess his stint in the can only made him more cunning and ruthless.
I wonder if he is still a person of interest to the authorities? Hmmmmmmm
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Dave in an intelligent guy.I dont agree with everything he does, but atleast he practices what he preaches.I see these gurus like Chad, and Hany who havent stepped foot on a stage yet they charge athletes boat loads of money for "cookie cutter" advice.
Dave may have not had those most pleasing physique, but he was always one of the most condioned guys on stage.
If you look at all the athletes he has worked with like Toney Freeman they have always came in top condition.
If I would have to give my honest opinion about Species protein, it is probalby a real Whey Protein Isolate.I have tasted it, and it has the texture and flavor that only a Isolate has.I would guess the product is atleast 85-90% protein.
Anybody who formulates, and manufactures, knows what to look for in taste and texture of raw materials.
I think if you assayed Dave Palumbos Species protein it would probably come up atleast 80% protein if not 85-88%
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Palumbo is not to be trusted. His record of lies, deceit and misinformation speaks volumes!
His latest so-called business venture is evidence of this.
Simply repackaging whey (which is just a bi product of cheese making), something they couldn't give away about 15 years ago, shows what this man is capable of!
Look at his own physique for example? An abomination, an abortion if you will.
Palumbo's physique is his calling-card...hahahhaah. What a dirty joke of scamming felon he still is!
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HankWood, I would listen to you, but who are you? Post a pic, andyobdy can hide behind a computer screen and call them selves Hankwood.Your probably lil Shawn Raw, that crook peddling Goat Whey, Topical fat burners, lol, and prohormnes that are about as strong as drinking Rootbeer.For its Sasparilla Root content.
Hankwood put up or shut up.Atleast Dave doesnt hide behind a computer screen make verbal attacks, talking trash, but wont show his face.Hi Shawn
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True Adonis if you want to find out if they are legit or not just send there product in for and independent lab assay.A lab assay doesnt lie.Here is a company I use for all my independent assays.There are very very reputable, reliable, and they are confidential.A assay only takes about a week to have done.Buy a sealed bottle of Species Protein and send it to them
Miller Labs
1675 S.W. 2750 s
Ogden,UT 84401
Phone (801) 627-2202
Fax (801) 627-2203
Onus is on slimy supp company to prove their product not the public who are just trying to protect their health from poison...
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Palumbo is a dangerous man! His time in 'the can' has only made him more cunning and ruthless.
Species Nutrition is an enigma....And that is the way Dave wants it.
Palumbo lives by the decree that if you repeat the same bullshit-claims over and over, then these bullshit-claims will ultimately be perceived as the truth.
I believe Palumbo is one of the more dangerous persons in the sport today!
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Species Nutrition
14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401
Contact Phone: (718) 995-4145
URL (web address):
Business Category: Miscellaneous Food Stores, Nsk in Jamaica, NY
Industry (SIC): Miscellaneous Food Stores
This company profile is for the private company Species Nutrition , located in Jamaica, NY. Species Nutrition's line of business is miscellaneous food stores, nsk.
Company Name: Species Nutrition
Is This Your Company?
Address: 14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $110,000
Est. # of Employees: 2
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 2Year Started: 2008
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 5499
Contact's Name:
Contact's Title:
NAICS: Food (Health) Supplement Stores
Data above provided by D&B.
One of the manufacturers of their protein is a client of mine. I can tell you that they are ordering over $100k/month in product...
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I would like to see inside that 250 sq ft facility that is purportedly manufacturing THEIR OWN PRODUCT based off THEIR OWN RESEARCH. 8)
You do understand that they could have it manufactured somewhere else and have all the research done the same way. If they are using Whey and make certain statements about any of their products that means they just take the studies that has already been done on those products. Why pay for additional studies on products that already have been studied or researched. Honestly you think you would quit embarrassing yourself after Dr. Connelly owned you like a slave from the 1800's. Stick to your regime of being ultra skinny and useless. It fits you better. But I gotta say you do look better than Cumdrum
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getitonny, what's your company called?
also, whoever said muscletech's worth a couple billion, you might want to recheck your numbers.
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You do understand that they could have it manufactured somewhere else and have all the research done the same way. If they are using Whey and make certain statements about any of their products that means they just take the studies that has already been done on those products. Why pay for additional studies on products that already have been studied or researched. Honestly you think you would quit embarrassing yourself after Dr. Connelly owned you like a slave from the 1800's. Stick to your regime of being ultra skinny and useless. It fits you better. But I gotta say you do look better than Cumdrum
are you saying the product is 100% whey ? not 99% filler ?
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How silly these "Supplement Companies" are. 8)
Don`t be fooled into thinking there is any research going on with these products or that they even know the quality of their product or anythign about what they are selling for that matter.
Its all a scam and chances are, you will continue to be scanned.
Adonis I agree with you a lot of the time.....sometimes not so much. You're right about Polumbo's company (the actual research is done by someone else), but the larger supplement companies have sales in the tens of millions - hundreds of millions and they defiantly have staffed labs on-site or remote faculties where actual chemists work on products.
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Species Nutrition
14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401
Contact Phone: (718) 995-4145
URL (web address):
Business Category: Miscellaneous Food Stores, Nsk in Jamaica, NY
Industry (SIC): Miscellaneous Food Stores
This company profile is for the private company Species Nutrition , located in Jamaica, NY. Species Nutrition's line of business is miscellaneous food stores, nsk.
Company Name: Species Nutrition
Is This Your Company?
Address: 14706 176th St, Jamaica, NY 11434-5401 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Est. Annual Sales: $110,000
Est. # of Employees: 2
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 2Year Started: 2008
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 5499
Contact's Name:
Contact's Title:
NAICS: Food (Health) Supplement Stores
Data above provided by D&B.
CamelJockey should go over there and take some pics since he lives around the corner from there
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getitonny, what's your company called?
also, whoever said muscletech's worth a couple billion, you might want to recheck your numbers.
Generally supplement type companies are worth three times there annual sales. TWINLAB, VPX and MUSCLETECH are worth a lot of cash. Hundreds of millions.
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are you saying the product is 100% whey ? not 99% filler ?
I have no idea I was just making a statement.
Adonis I agree with you a lot of the time.....sometimes not so much. You're right about Polumbo's company (the actual research is done by someone else), but the larger supplement companies have sales in the tens of millions - hundreds of millions and they defiantly have staffed labs on-site or remote faculties where actual chemists work on products.
Isn't there only a few labs in the USA that manufacturer many of the products and they private label them out to the other companies. How many major compnaies have their own labs that do everything.
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I have no idea I was just making a statement.
Isn't there only a few labs in the USA that manufacturer many of the products and they private label them out to the other companies. How many major compnaies have their own labs that do everything.
I know for a fact two of the biggest sup companies have a staff of chemists who create products they then outsource and refine.
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No, I personally think Species might be a good product, so we are looking into the product line on the West Coast. No way will they put in their ingredients nor items that are not on the label.
what criteria are you basing your judgment on?
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LOL, why are people still buying bullshitzynol supplements like brainwashed flock of sheep?
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I don't 'hate on' Palumbo but i am just very cautious of him.
Afterall, his criminal record and associations are enough to raise eyebrows.
I would like to see a full FDA investigation into his company!
Something is rotten here and it needs investigating!
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SPECIES CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS!
Adonis you need to update your computer, you might be vulnerable to attack :-\
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I agree, but they have put this on their main page so it's the first thing you see, making it seem like a huge deal.
From a person 1000 is alot, from a supplement company it's nothing, a company like hmuscletech Huscletech as atleast a couple of billions networth.
fixed ;D
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palumbos protein powder tastes refreshing and good...so thats all the proof i need
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I don't 'hate on' Palumbo but i am just very cautious of him.
Afterall, his criminal record and associations are enough to raise eyebrows.
I would like to see a full FDA investigation into his company!
Something is rotten here and it needs investigating!
yes agree...maybe I will email the FDA...maybe others should do the same...
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I think the FDA would be very interested in Palumbo....Afterall, look at his history.
At the end of the day the consumer has the right to be protected.
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Powder to the People!
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One of the manufacturers of their protein is a client of mine. I can tell you that they are ordering over $100k/month in product...
100K off of protein alone, they are making a killing.
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VPX, Muscletech and TWINLAB are all worth over a hundred mill.
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No, I personally think Species might be a good product, so we are looking into the product line on the West Coast. No way will they put in their ingredients nor items that are not on the label.
So your just waiting it out and seeing just how involved HHH may be in the Species company...I hear ya Ron...I hear ya loud and clear ;)
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Do you think once people discover how and where to buy Whey direct, that the house of cards will crumble? I know first hand how easy it is to get this stuff DIRT CHEAP and direct and I suspect if others do the same, that essentially will cut out the middle man.
why not make a comparison shopping site that shows direct sources and put a few google ads in and make some money off the traffic and let the public benefit from your insight.
Also you would crush the snake oil salesmen.
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Many companies do not make their own products. It fact, 90% of them do not. They have their own formulations, their own labeling, their own style, their own ingredients, and they decide which manufacturer to make them.
We may even bring in Species....
It's called CONTRACT MANUFACTURING.
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$50 for 2 pounds of Isolate...What a fucking joke...Thats why Palumbo and Romano are always laughing ::)...Everything about them screams con-artist...
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$50 for 2 pounds of Isolate...
HAHAHHHHHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHA
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hummm....
you claimed you invented a gravity suit :-\
You cant be serious :D
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Some great work done in the last few days by the Adonis and Danielson exposing some of the crooked shenanigans going on in the
expensive fart powder supplement business. 50 bucks for a handful of discarded remnants of the cheese making process, this stuff used to be fed to pigs for nothing and now we have ex-cons peddling it and dressing it up as something special by sticking it in a fancy tub ::)
Thank you Deadly Dan and Articulate Adam. Hopefully you saved a few bros a few bucks in this troubled economic time.
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Palumbo is a great stealer of ideas. Yes, he claims all this is his own making .hahahahha.
Palumbo even claims the 'keto diet' to be his own making!
I call for a full inquiry into the business practices and protocols of this former felon.
Blechman obviously saw this coming!
Holy Macrel I agree with you! Tried to steal our idea for Muscle Mafia. So instead he came up with Muscle Mob.
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Palumbo is surely a person of interest to the FDA!
Yes, Palumbo is the great plagiarist. I know Keith, he doesn't have an original idea in his head. He also stole the Keto diet and renamed it the Palumbo diet.
I just hope he gets his own back....it will come....one day!
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I think all whey is the same...put a pic of Ronnie on it,its Whey,put a pic of Ken Jones on it,its the same Whey
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No, I personally think Species might be a good product, so we are looking into the product line on the West Coast. No way will they put in their ingredients nor items that are not on the label.
are they FDA approved? :)
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P.S. Pat Arnold is the only supplement guy I would trust..
I read somewhere that Pat was making some of their products. Don't know if he still is.
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VPX, Muscletech and TWINLAB are all worth over a hundred mill.
What do you think BioTest and BSN are worth?
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They should have called Species Lipolyze TOXILYZE because it contains usnic acid which may be toxic to the liver!!!
Usnic acid, an ingredient found in some weight-loss supplements, may be hazardous to your health. Some weight-loss products include usnic acid because it causes thermogenesis— an increase in caloric expenditure and metabolic rate, which promotes fat loss. It is found in Usnea barbata lichen, a plant species composed of algae and fungus that grows on rocks and tree trunks. Usnic acid causes uncoupling in the mitochondria, the energy centers of the cells. This means that the cells lose food energy as heat instead of converting it into usable energy or storing it as fat. Drugs such as dinitrophenol cause uncoupling but can have severe side effects. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reported 23 cases of liver toxicity linked to usnic acid in weight-loss supplements. As a result, the National Toxicology Program is evaluating usnic acid and the Usnea barbata lichen to determine if they are poisonous and safe for human consumption. (Journal Environmental Science and Health, in press; published online October 2008)
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What do you think BioTest and BSN are worth?
Not sure. Typically it's three times sales. Find out their annual sales and multiply that by three.....
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With sales of $110k, they might be making a profit of $30k (or less, depending on how much they blow on advertising & promotion). Divide that by Dave, Colette, and Romano, and they're really "living large". ::)
Yeah man when you put it that way,profit split between three...whoah
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With sales of $110k, they might be making a profit of $30k (or less, depending on how much they blow on advertising & promotion). Divide that by Dave, Colette, and Romano, and they're really "living large". ::)
The amount of annual sales is a general estimate given to merchant processors so they can process credit cards when they start the business. However, I know for a fact that they are doing a lot more than stated as a lot of distributors are buying their products.
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How do you KNOW it is Whey Isolate? How did you verify this? Do you have any idea where the product comes from?
Or are you just going by what the label says? ::)
I bet you cannot answer any of those questions.
You're absolutely right I have no idea if it is pure isolate. I am going by the label but I am also going by reputation. Dave just gives me no reason to believe he is ripping me off. Dave's a bb, understands nutrition more than anyone in the bb, and gets results and I would trust him before Hustletech. Plus the stuff tastes awesome.
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You're absolutely right I have no idea if it is pure isolate. I am going by the label but I am also going by reputation. Dave just gives me no reason to believe he is ripping me off. Dave's a bb, understands nutrition more than anyone in the bb, and gets results and I would trust him before Hustletech. Plus the stuff tastes awesome.
Id trust Will Harris in the shower room more then id trust Muscletech
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Id trust Will Harris in the shower room more then id trust Muscletech
Woah lets not get carried away there lol ;D
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With sales of $110k, they might be making a profit of $30k (or less, depending on how much they blow on advertising & promotion). Divide that by Dave, Colette, and Romano, and they're really "living large". ::)
Quoted for Truth!
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Not sure. Typically it's three times sales. Find out their annual sales and multiply that by three.....
How does someone go about finding annual sales?
Have you ever thought about starting a supplement company?
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Dave's a bb, understands nutrition more than anyone in the bb
Blechman probably knows more about the science of nutrition than Dave. Sure, he gets results, but really understanding why, not really.
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How does someone go about finding annual sales?
Have you ever thought about starting a supplement company?
I can find that out for you. Which company do you want info on?
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I can find that out for you. Which company do you want info on?
Species.
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I can find that out for you. Which company do you want info on?
Adonis....grab the stats from the big companies. Lets estimate their worth.
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With sales of $110k, they might be making a profit of $30k (or less, depending on how much they blow on advertising & promotion). Divide that by Dave, Colette, and Romano, and they're really "living large". ::)
Most small businesses claim only a fraction of their annual sales. Alot of small businesses only claim credit card sales. Most cash sales are never disclosed. I'm sure they are claiming a small portion for tax purposes.
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Blechman probably knows more about the science of nutrition than Dave. Sure, he gets results, but really understanding why, not really.
Yeah Blechman seems to really know his shit. I was impressed with his knowledge on the low carb debate.
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I can find that out for you. Which company do you want info on?
BioTest and BSN
THanks Adam
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Blechman probably knows more about the science of nutrition than Dave. Sure, he gets results, but really understanding why, not really.
Blechman did run Twinlab so I'm sure he has a ton of knowledge but don't discount Palumbo. He's a walking encyclopedia on everything.
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BioTest and BSN
THanks Adam
Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc
(Bsn)
5901 Broken Sound Pkwy, Boca Raton, FL 33487-2773
Contact Phone: (561) 994-8335
URL (web address): www.bsnonline.net
Business Category: Whol Drugs/Sundries Ret Misc Foods in Boca Raton, FL
Industry (SIC): Drugs, Drug Proprietaries, and Druggists' Sundries
This company profile is for the private company Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc , located in Boca Raton, FL. Bsn's line of business is whol drugs/sundries ret misc foods.
Company Name: Bio-Engineered Supplements & Nutrition, Inc
Is This Your Company?
Address: 5901 Broken Sound Pkwy, Boca Raton, FL 33487-2773 (Map)
Alt Business Name: Bsn
Location Type: Single Location
Annual Sales: $6,500,000
Est. # of Employees: 35
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 35
Year Started: 2001
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 5122
Contact's Name: Chris Ferguson
Contact's Title: President
NAICS: Drugs and Druggists' Sundries Merchant Wholesalers
Data above provided by D&B.
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BioTest and BSN
THanks Adam
Biotest Laboratories, Llc
1850 Reliable Cir, Colorado Springs, CO 80906-1508
Contact Phone: (719) 473-5500
URL (web address):
Business Category: Commercial Physical Research in Colorado Springs, CO
Industry (SIC): Commercial Physical and Biological Research
This company profile is for the private company Biotest Laboratories, Llc , located in Colorado Springs, CO. Biotest Laboratories, Llc's line of business is commercial physical research.
Company Name: Biotest Laboratories, Llc
Is This Your Company?
Address: 1850 Reliable Cir, Colorado Springs, CO 80906-1508 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Annual Sales: $1,100,000
Est. # of Employees: 15
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 15
Year Started: 1997
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 8731
Contact's Name: Tim Patterson
Contact's Title:
NAICS:
Data above provided by D&B.
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Depending on the type of company they have to make certain information public.
Never confuse marketing (= creative lying) with reality.
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Species.
Posted already.
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Posted already.
You won't find info on sole prop's like mine. And that info you're getting is unreliable
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You won't find info on sole prop's like mine. And that info you're getting is unreliable
soundin a bit defensive there vince
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soundin a bit defensive there vince
Haha yes, Adonis please look up Goodrums business!
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soundin a bit defensive there vince
Just stating the fact. Most of D&B info is outdated on businesses that are incorporated and sole props which make up the majority of businesses in America is even worse.
Adonis spent 40 bucks for worthless information.
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Biotest Laboratories, Llc
1850 Reliable Cir, Colorado Springs, CO 80906-1508
Contact Phone: (719) 473-5500
URL (web address):
Business Category: Commercial Physical Research in Colorado Springs, CO
Industry (SIC): Commercial Physical and Biological Research
This company profile is for the private company Biotest Laboratories, Llc , located in Colorado Springs, CO. Biotest Laboratories, Llc's line of business is commercial physical research.
Company Name: Biotest Laboratories, Llc
Is This Your Company?
Address: 1850 Reliable Cir, Colorado Springs, CO 80906-1508 (Map)
Alt Business Name:
Location Type: Single Location
Annual Sales: $1,100,000
Est. # of Employees: 15
Est. Empl. at Loc.: 15
Year Started: 1997
State of Incorp:
SIC #Code: 8731
Contact's Name: Tim Patterson
Contact's Title:
NAICS:
Data above provided by D&B.
THanks Adam.
So Bdy88, does that mean that 1/3 of 1.1 mil is the yearly profit?
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Adam,
How recent is this info?
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Gatorade, CytoSport and EAS please.
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Many questions are emerging regarding Dave's dubious business protocols and practices.
The FDA must be informed of his so-called nutrition line!
I also think the DEA would be very interested in examining Dave's books as well.
Is Palumbo's business a 'shop front' for something more devious and sinister?
Hmmmm. Many questions that 'must' be explored!
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hummm....
you claimed you invented a gravity suit :-\
He did. He is just waiting for the patent. Should be here any day now
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He did. He is just waiting for the patent. Should be here any day now
Gotta admit...the suit has some appeal..! ;D
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It became public knowledge on forums across the planet that the main reason for Palumbos sacking from MD was his insistance on promoting Species Nutrition via the MD website.
Blechman continued to ask Dave to desist with the blatent promotion. Dave ingnored Steve's claims, and well, the rest is history....Dave is fired!
My point is, Dave will stop at nothing to make a dollar. He knowingly sold fake GH and wound up in the can for Christ sake. He will stop at nothing if it means he can make money.
Species Nutrition is a con, a rip off and a scam. Palumbo must experience the full wrath of investigation.
Palumbo is an egoist who thinks he can operate above the law! Wrong!
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Ok, so John and Dave have their new site going on.
Has anyone visited it yet?
Give me some feedback.
Anyone who has seen me on this site knows that I am a member of the Apollon Gym in Edison, Nj.
Alex Fedorov, Robert and Marina Samborsky, Irinia Vesolov...Russian owners...less than two years.
The "Who's Who" of the Iron Game have been doing seminars, promoting, training at Apollon since the Russian acquisition.
Now, I hear that John Ramano has done an interview with Irinia that is no holds bar.... no "I only eat chicken" or "I'm in a relationship with a wonderful man".
I hear she dishes the dirt on her "relationships" with Fedorov and Yates. What she likes to do after sex(protein shake?)
Can't wait for the interview.
Sandra
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It became public knowledge on forums across the planet that the main reason for Palumbos sacking from MD was his insistance on promoting Species Nutrition via the MD website.
Blechman continued to ask Dave to desist with the blatent promotion. Dave ingnored Steve's claims, and well, the rest is history....Dave is fired!
My point is, Dave will stop at nothing to make a dollar. He knowingly sold fake GH and wound up in the can for Christ sake. He will stop at nothing if it means he can make money.
Species Nutrition is a con, a rip off and a scam. Palumbo must experience the full wrath of investigation.
Palumbo is an egoist who thinks he can operate above the law! Wrong!
I have already alerted Canadian Customs to the fact the "powder" is not safe to import as it has no legal analysis. They have advised me that all Species Nutrition products will be confiscated.
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And yes, Romano is a dirty cocaine abusing rat!
He dined off Blechman's butthole for 18 long years. And then when he decided to the do the dirty on his boss ( with Palumbo as his offsider) he decided to character assassinate the man who has been putting bread on his table for almost 2 decades.
Romano should never be trusted. He is without loyalty and credibility... Like Palumnbo he is a plagiarist, a stealer of ideas....oh yeah, i think he has his dirty paws all over Species Nutrition as well.....HMMMM
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Maybe this is why they hire fat girls to work their booths? They don't seem to be making too much money.
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I have already alerted Canadian Customs to the fact the "powder" is not safe to import as it has no legal analysis. They have advised me that all Species Nutrition products will be confiscated.
I am also waiting to hear back from the FDA...they may request a legal analysis of the "whey powder"
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I remember listning to PBW when they had the guy that owns BB.com on. He said that when he started out he had to lease the locations in the rough neighborhoods because the rent was cheap. So even the big whale had humble beginnings..
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THanks Adam.
So Bdy88, does that mean that 1/3 of 1.1 mil is the yearly profit?
Devon - The 1.1 million is their annual sales (as reported by the company). As someone mentioned before, the annul sales figures that are reported by a company are different than the actual sales a lot of the time, but if you multiple the 1.1 Million by 3 you get 3.3 million...which is roughly what the company above might be worth. Also, don't forget that a lot of these companies have many different brands under the same umbrella. The figures above seem a little low, btw.
In regards to marketing supplements, niche marketing to serious lifters is a whole different animal than mainstream America. Most of the time the "hardcore" and "powerful" image many of these products put forth scares off mainstream consumers (where with serious lifters it helps to make the sale). Thats why you see a lot of the big companies making their image softer, or launching sub brands that are targeting mainstream America. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but you will see Designer Whey involved in the biggest loser TV show soon. I don't watch so I have no clue if its happened yet or not.
You guys have to remember, the vast majority of consumers are not as educated or as supplement savvy as we are. I can tell you right now that the major supplement companies are not trying to scam you, they are trying to put out products that make sense and that will help to give you an edge. There are a lot of scammers and retarded marketing plans out there, but for the most part, these companies are out to be innovative and to be profitable. You don't make profit on a constant basis if consumers don't buy you again, period. Loyalty is a big deal! It's not in the serious companies best interests to fuck you over....think about it. I'm talking about the major players here. The big boys.
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Thanks for the awesome reply BDy88.
I know MuscleTech has had a bad rep for a few years. Do you think their products have improved recently?
Also BSN has skyrocketed back in 2006,I think was their first really "big" year at the Arnold.
What do you think is the hottest supplement company? I might guess CytoSport with the rise of Muscle Milk.
I think VPX has declined since 2004 when Prohormones were legal.
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Thanks for the awesome reply BDy88.
I know MuscleTech has had a bad rep for a few years. Do you think their products have improved recently?
Also BSN has skyrocketed back in 2006,I think was their first really "big" year at the Arnold.
What do you think is the hottest supplement company? I might guess CytoSport with the rise of Muscle Milk.
I think VPX has declined since 2004 when Prohormones were legal.
I know MuscleTech has had a bad rep for a few years. Do you think their products have improved recently?
I'm not an expert on their products, but their marketing plan is retarded (which is adding to their poor image with serious lifters). To average consumers their stuff looks impressive and effective. Think 18-30 year old male who wants to get jacked and ripped as quickly as possible, but knows little about bodybuilding. It's ultra competitive between companies with the serious lifters (we can smell bullshit a mile away) - going after the mainstream market (sort of) can create new revenue and market share. Bob the gym rat has no idea that MuscleTech is not 12000000% better than BSN.
Also BSN has skyrocketed back in 2006,I think was their first really "big" year at the Arnold.
They are doing a good job with their core consumers....serious lifters. If you like their products stick with them.
What do you think is the hottest supplement company? I might guess CytoSport with the rise of Muscle Milk.
Defiantly, Pepsi is a serious player in the distribution/beverage world, and now that CytoSport is under the Pepsi umbrella they will draw in a whole new market share of consumers. Basically, Pepsi taking on Cyto is like Ronnie Coleman going from a natural to using every drug under the sun, overnight.
I think VPX has declined since 2004 when Prohormones were legal.
You're right....they were the authority when it came to prohormones, but I still love the company. Good products and innovation is important to them. I can tell you for a fact they are one of the "good guys" in this biz. They care about consumers and their shit is good.
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Gotta admit...the suit has some appeal..! ;D
;D Suits him !
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You're right....they were the authority when it came to prohormones, but I still love the company. Good products and innovation is important to them. I can tell you for a fact they are one of the "good guys" in this biz. They care about consumers and their shit is good.
Patrick Arnold would beg to differ. I remember when he was having coronary's on the misc.fitness.weights boards and what not back in the day over their "Decavar" and other prohormones. He made some pretty incredible accusations.
Is VPX still run by that guy... Jack Owoc, or something?
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With sales of $110k, they might be making a profit of $30k (or less, depending on how much they blow on advertising & promotion). Divide that by Dave, Colette, and Romano, and they're really "living large". ::)
then maybe they are doing it for the love towards all mankind.
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maybe a componet of their business model is low capitalization. what start up company needs a marquis address. this location is near a major airport
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I get all my protein from whole food sources. They should have cows that eat species protein, then we could eat Species Steaks.
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Does anyone know if the rumors are true that Jumbo drives to home depot and picks up Mexicans to work at putting his protein together much like in the movie "bigger-stronger-faster" only Jumbo has the Mexican's strip down naked as if they were working in a cocaine factory...
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Bob Hoffman was mixing Hershey's syrup and soy powder in his backroom decades ago. You think the supplment companies have changed since then? LMAO!
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VPX, Muscletech and TWINLAB are all worth over a hundred mill.
The three of them and Gaspari are all doing amazing and worth millions - but maybe that's because these companies DO PUBLISH RESEARCH on their products!!!
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great post.
Only problem is its total bullshit. Adonis knows little to nothing about what he is talking about in regards to supplements. There is a ton of bullshit in the supplement world, but the larger, more mainstream companies certainly put a lot of time and effort into their products. They publish research all the time.
Anyone who thinks supp's are going to give you the results of steroids, or are anything more than an edge, is a fucking idiot anyway.
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The three of them and Gaspari are all doing amazing and worth millions - but maybe that's because these companies DO PUBLISH RESEARCH on their products!!!
No they don`t.
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Only problem is its total bullshit. Adonis knows little to nothing about what he is talking about in regards to supplements. There is a ton of bullshit in the supplement world, but the larger, more mainstream companies certainly put a lot of time and effort into their products. They publish research all the time.
Anyone who thinks supp's are going to give you the results of steroids, or are anything more than an edge, is a fucking idiot anyway.
Show me some published research that a company has conducted, preferably something peer-reviewed or in a journal of some sorts.
I will take anything though.
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(http://www.danishporcelainonline.com/new_look/pictures/royal_copenhagen/rc_dinnerware/floradanica/flora_plate.jpg)
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Show me some published research that a company has conducted, preferably something peer-reviewed or in a journal of some sorts.
I will take anything though.
Don't know if this qualifies.
Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2007 Feb;17(1):92-108.
Eight weeks of aromatase inhibition using the nutritional supplement Novedex XT: effects in young, eugonadal men.
Willoughby DS, Wilborn C, Taylor L, Campbell W.
Department of Health, Human Performance, and Recreation, Baylor University, Waco, TX 76798-7313, USA.
This study examined the effects of an aromatase-inhibiting nutritional supplement on serum steroid hormones, body composition, and clinical safety markers. Sixteen eugonadal young men ingested either Novedex XT or a placebo daily for 8 wk, followed by a 3-wk washout period. Body composition was assessed and blood and urine samples obtained at weeks 0, 4, 8, and 11. Data were analyzed by 2-way repeated-measures ANOVA. Novedex XT resulted in average increases of 283%, 625%, 566%, and 438% for total testosterone (P=0.001), free testosterone (P=0.001), dihydrotestosterone (P=0.001), and the testosterone:estrogen ratio (P=0.001), respectively, whereas fat mass decreased 3.5% (P=0.026) during supplementation. No significant differences were observed in blood and urinary clinical safety markers or for any of the other serum hormones (P>0.05). This study indicates that Novedex XT significantly increases serum androgen levels and decreases fat mass.
PMID: 17460335
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Don't know if this qualifies.
That doesn`t qualify as it is not BY THE COMPANY.
The argument here is Body88 has convinced himself with no evidence that these "supplement companies" do their own in house research and publish their results in notable publications.
I have yet to find any evidence of any "supplement company" doing any kind of research with published results.
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I am sure most do not conduct their own research, certainly not Species which is just a 2 man operation. Although they CLAIM to be formulating their own product based on Their Own research.
Met-Rx when Scott Connelly owned it is probably the only company that I can believe. Gaspari seems to run a decent outfit as well as whatever Conte ran and Patrick Arnold.
The fly-by-nighters, Species and the like, are not researching anything.
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I am sure most do not conduct their own research, certainly not Species which is just a 2 man operation. Although they CLAIM to be formulating their own product based on Their Own research.
Met-Rx when Scott Connelly owned it is probably the only company that I can believe. Gaspari seems to run a decent outfit as well as whatever Conte ran and Patrick Arnold.
The fly-by-nighters, Species and the like, are not researching anything.
True.
You've named all the ones that have done any kind of third party research. And even some of that is questionable -
http://www.gasparinutrition.com/Portals/0/NovedexXTClinicalTrial.PDF (http://www.gasparinutrition.com/Portals/0/NovedexXTClinicalTrial.PDF)
Subject pool - 5 total. hahaha oh brother ::)
Anyway, I'd add Muscletech to the list because I've heard from people who have actually visited their facilities. Otherwise you guys have no idea how shady some of these "manufacturing facilities" are. Supplement companies run out of garages, sharing space with pet food companies, etc.. A friend of mine worked for the FDA for awhile, the stories he'd tell me of some of these places are legendary.
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Devon - The 1.1 million is their annual sales (as reported by the company). As someone mentioned before, the annul sales figures that are reported by a company are different than the actual sales a lot of the time, but if you multiple the 1.1 Million by 3 you get 3.3 million...which is roughly what the company above might be worth. Also, don't forget that a lot of these companies have many different brands under the same umbrella. The figures above seem a little low, btw.
In regards to marketing supplements, niche marketing to serious lifters is a whole different animal than mainstream America. Most of the time the "hardcore" and "powerful" image many of these products put forth scares off mainstream consumers (where with serious lifters it helps to make the sale). Thats why you see a lot of the big companies making their image softer, or launching sub brands that are targeting mainstream America. I'm not sure if it's already been done, but you will see Designer Whey involved in the biggest loser TV show soon. I don't watch so I have no clue if its happened yet or not.
You guys have to remember, the vast majority of consumers are not as educated or as supplement savvy as we are. I can tell you right now that the major supplement companies are not trying to scam you, they are trying to put out products that make sense and that will help to give you an edge. There are a lot of scammers and retarded marketing plans out there, but for the most part, these companies are out to be innovative and to be profitable. You don't make profit on a constant basis if consumers don't buy you again, period. Loyalty is a big deal! It's not in the serious companies best interests to fuck you over....think about it. I'm talking about the major players here. The big boys.
You don't value a company on its sales, you value company on its profits. You can have $10 million in sales but if your profits are only $500,000, your company is NOT valued at $30 million. And there is quite few variables on the multiplier you use also when you value a company.
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I am sure most do not conduct their own research, certainly not Species which is just a 2 man operation. Although they CLAIM to be formulating their own product based on Their Own research.
Met-Rx when Scott Connelly owned it is probably the only company that I can believe. Gaspari seems to run a decent outfit as well as whatever Conte ran and Patrick Arnold.
The fly-by-nighters, Species and the like, are not researching anything.
Jason Stern is planning on launching a supplement company called "Phantom". I'm sure they'll do all of their research though. = X