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fuck NASCAR F-1 is the pinnacle of motorsports , looking forward to the season , looks to be an exciting one again and it's about time
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WRC Formula 1 Le Mans and Moto GP
these are the best
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Monaco. 100 MPH corner.
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alonso all the way!
i think the smaller teams have good chances this year
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NASCAR's response...
(http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/PGZ/commentu/Nascar/Jeff-Gordon/images//JeffGordon_WC.jpg)
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NASCAR's response...
(http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/PGZ/commentu/Nascar/Jeff-Gordon/images//JeffGordon_WC.jpg)
Jeff Gordon is actually one of the few NASCAR guys that can make right hand turns.
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Monaco. 100 MPH corner.
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I used to think I was a good driver, until watching this. WTF? Impressive.
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Nascar gets ALL the ho's...........I've seen more pussy at nascar then a football game. Not really the redneck pigs either. 8)
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Nascar gets ALL the ho's...........I've seen more pussy at nascar then a football game. Not really the redneck pigs either. 8)
You must get better seats than the ones I got in Martinsville last time. The whole row of people in front of me only had twelve teeth between them. And I swear that there was this one family with three boys that were triplets that looked like that kid playing banjo in Deliverance.
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Nascar?
Nascar El-Nobody??
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/babbu/index.jpg)
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I used to think I was a good driver, until watching this. WTF? Impressive.
He's good, but here is the king. monaco again.
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no, Nacasr drivers can only crahs. have you ever seen a NASCAR commerical? All they ever feature are crashes. Crashes are not fun, so why put them on there.
And all of the F1 drivers in NASCAR are either burnouts, or spoiled brats like Montoya, who whined that he wasn't in a Ferrari.
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That was unreal, I had not idea F-1 was that intense. The guy had no line of sight at points...it was just skill/guess work.
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Simply amazing
Thank you for posting this. I'll be paying attention to F1 way more now.
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how do these guys shift?
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how do these guys shift?
Paddles on the wheel, they use their thumbs.
Which brings me to a question......back in the day of gearboxes you could brake into a corner, drop from 3rd to 1st and blast out........do these guys have to hit through every gear on the way down with the paddle shifter?
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Paddles on the wheel, they use their thumbs.
Which brings me to a question......back in the day of gearboxes you could brake into a corner, drop from 3rd to 1st and blast out........do these guys have to hit through every gear on the way down with the paddle shifter?
Yes, Just pay attention to the engine. you can hear it.
Now, think about the old shift. stepping the clutch for every time you change gear up or gear down. plus one hand to drive.
That is what i call DRIVE.
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Here you can see the driver changing gears twice in the middle of a curve.
He holds the car with one hand.
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Simply amazing
Thank you for posting this. I'll be paying attention to F1 way more now.
You're welcome it's my pleasure. ;)
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You're welcome it's my pleasure. ;)
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Good videos
F1 is the shit ,WRC close second ,I was lucky enough to watch both live ,
Check this video out
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Paddles on the wheel, they use their thumbs.
Which brings me to a question......back in the day of gearboxes you could brake into a corner, drop from 3rd to 1st and blast out........do these guys have to hit through every gear on the way down with the paddle shifter?
Pussies - paddle shifting is for fags.
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Pussies - paddle shifting is for fags.
It makes for lighter cars, plus the cars are so confining, that there is no room anymore for a proper gearbox. Plus, they shift faster than any human can
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Nascar gets ALL the ho's...........I've seen more pussy at nascar then a football game. Not really the redneck pigs either. 8)
you've never seen the ladies at F1 event, have you. Plus, there are more hot women at the F1 race in Brazil than there are during the whole NASCAR season. American is the breeding ground for fat piggies.
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Fuck I dig that kind of racing. The sound is unreal. I had VIP Pit Passes in 1998 for the Long Beach Grand Prix. I got bit 2 or 3 days before the race. I remember telling the doctors I need to get out by Saturday so I could go to the races. They said don't think so. I was more pissed about that than anything. It would have been my first time seeing those kind of cars in person. Oh well someday
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Good videos
F1 is the shit ,WRC close second ,I was lucky enough to watch both live ,
Check this video out
guardrail please!
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Here you can see the driver changing gears twice in the middle of a curve.
He holds the car with one hand.
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PIP Ayrton Senna
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Good videos
F1 is the shit ,WRC close second ,I was lucky enough to watch both live ,
Check this video out
That video is a classic! Pikes Peak baby!
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nascardrivers are just as good as F1 drivers
you think massawould win nascar? nope...it's diff cars diff environments....
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Pussies - paddle shifting is for fags.
QFT....haha
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Not really a fan of motorsport but Massa has balls of steel
Fucking impressive.
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nascardrivers are just as good as F1 drivers
you think massawould win nascar? nope...it's diff cars diff environments....
please stop.
Nascar drivers has 1/100 of the skill that a f-1 driver has...
and thats because all you have to do in nascar is turn left
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please stop.
Nascar drivers has 1/100 of the skill that a f-1 driver has...
and thats because all you have to do in nascar is turn left
Don't be dumb....F1 cars are set-up totally different....much more downforce, control, etc... not to mention much lighter. I'm not really a fan of either one, but to act like there is no skill in NASCAR is stupid. If it's so easy, why don't the F1 drivers move to NASCAR where there are huge paydays? Ask Villenue or Montoya how "easy" NASCAR is.
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every nascar driver would love to be in the f1
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every nascar driver would love to be in the f1
No way. Just as much money in NASCAR contracts/sponsorships. You europeans just have no clue about NASCAR....you still consider it a "small time" sport, when it's not and hasn't been for over a decade.
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do they really make as much many as f1 pilots?
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do they really make as much many as f1 pilots?
Montoya walked away from an estimated $14-million annual salary, to race Nascar series where racers average about $5-million in base salary .
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do they really make as much many as f1 pilots?
The pay structures are different, but yes they do. Here is a decent article on it...
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21175.html
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they're all hero's in my book.
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please stop.
Nascar drivers has 1/100 of the skill that a f-1 driver has...
and thats because all you have to do in nascar is turn left
::) Yea real easy. That's why you do it. Another "Armchair" competitor. When you get your license and start driving maybe you will see how stupid your statement is. And yes I do think it takes more skill to drive F1 than Nascar but to say Nascar is 1/100 as easy as F1 is just dumb. But then again I wouldn't have expected anything less from you.
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Montoya walked away from an estimated $14-million annual salary, to race Nascar series where racers average about $5-million in base salary .
guess why?
Because Nascar is soo damn easy! and f-1 takes alot of hard work.
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::) Yea real easy. That's why you do it. Another "Armchair" competitor. When you get your license and start driving maybe you will see how stupid your statement is. And yes I do think it takes more skill to drive F1 than Nascar but to say Nascar is 1/100 as easy as F1 is just dumb. But then again I wouldn't have expected anything less from you.
Im sure they are good drivers BUT, its like comparing walking to running at world record speed.
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nascardrivers are just as good as F1 drivers
Just another proof you're an idiot. Top F1 drivers make 5-10 times the money Nascar drivers make. Why not enter F1 and make 5-10 times the money if you're good enough? F1 has had a need to have an American driver for a long time for better marketability. There has been numerous attempts, all miserable failures.
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montoya left cause schumacher and co were too strong and he was angry cause he lost all the time
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Im sure they are good drivers BUT, its like comparing walking to running at world record speed.
They used to have a series called IROC that started back in the 70's. It put drivers from all types of racing against each other driving 100% identical cars (Cameros at the start). It was really cool. My friend in high school Steve got one of the original IROC Z cars used in the first race that his dad had bought him. He had to do some modifications to drive it on the street but he had them done and that car was unreal. Not really sure but I think that was the birth of the IROC Z car.
And you really can't compare Nascar with F1. They are two totally different types of racing. I like Nascar but I think F1 is just awesome. Nascar is a made for everyday class and F1 is for upper class people. It just seems to work that way. The very rich hang around F1 races and people dress fancier and drink champagne and Nascar brings out the normal American who drink beer.
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Just another proof you're an idiot. Top F1 drivers make 5-10 times the money Nascar drivers make. Why not enter F1 and make 5-10 times the money if you're good enough? F1 has had a need to have an American driver for a long time for better marketability. There has been numerous attempts, all miserable failures.
A lot of that has to do with politics, equipment and a general fish out of water syndrome. I do think that F1 drivers are more skilled, but there are a few Nascar guys that have the skill to compete. Kyle Busch, Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson are guys with open-wheel, road course experience and usually are in the money at Nascars few road courses. I'm sure if they came up in an F1 environment they would be competitive. Of course...whenever there are right turns involved, most of the teams put a road course ringer like Boris Said behind the wheel for the race
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And you really can't compare Nascar with F1. They are two totally different types of racing. I like Nascar but I think F1 is just awesome. Nascar is a made for everyday class and F1 is for upper class people. It just seems to work that way. The very rich hang around F1 races and people dress fancier and drink champagne and Nascar brings out the normal American who drink beer.
I know its different things, but there is soooo much more skilled and training involved in f-1 though and that's my only point =)
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I'm sure if they came up in an F1 environment they would be competitive.
Then why don't they? As said before, F1 desperately needs a good American driver - it could boost up their business by billions but all American F1 drivers in the last 15 years or so have just plain sucked...
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Then why don't they? As said before, F1 desperately needs a good American driver - it could boost up their business by billions but all American F1 drivers in the last 15 years or so have just plain sucked...
Probably because they were born in the States and F1 has a very small presence here
. From what i know most Americans that go to F1 have the deck stacked, they usually aren't given the primo rides and crews, and are generally treated with disdain. F1 is quite snobbish and parochial.
Same with Montoya here, He has a 2nd tier ride and it reflects in his placings. If he had Kyle Busch's ride he'd magically get a lot better.
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Probably because they were born in the States and F1 has a very small presence here
. From what i know most Americans that go to F1 have the deck stacked, they usually aren't given the primo rides and crews, and are generally treated with disdain. F1 is quite snobbish and parochial.
Same with Montoya here, He has a 2nd tier ride and it reflects in his placings. If he had Kyle Busch's ride he'd magically get a lot better.
and if you show true talent you will eventually get signed to a bigger company and get a better car etc etc
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and if you show true talent you will eventually get signed to a bigger company and get a better car etc etc
Yes and no. All things being equal, if there is a seat open in F1 and there was an American and a European up for the ride, the European would get it. They really don't want American drivers
It's the same here too.....why aren't there Brazilian and Euro drivers dominating NASCAR and cashing in if they are so great? Our money is green. Because they aren't wanted.
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Man, I sure would love to race Rally someday ! Looks, obviously, VERY challenging as well as a lot of fun !
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Lets go back to the videos.
shall we? ;D
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Lets go back to the videos.
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I agree ,
Listen to the scream before they crash ;D ;D(2:30 mark)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2:50 :D
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Don't be dumb....F1 cars are set-up totally different....much more downforce, control, etc... not to mention much lighter. I'm not really a fan of either one, but to act like there is no skill in NASCAR is stupid. If it's so easy, why don't the F1 drivers move to NASCAR where there are huge paydays? Ask Villenue or Montoya how "easy" NASCAR is.
They are burnouts, and never were at the top of the game like Shuey was. Maybe Villeivue, but Montoya was a overhyped spoiled brat who had trouble making the crossover from Cart to f1, and whined that he wasn't in a Ferrari.
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They are burnouts, and never were at the top of the game like Shuey was. Maybe Villeivue, but Montoya was a overhyped spoiled brat who had trouble making the crossover from Cart to f1, and whined that he wasn't in a Ferrari.
But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers. It's simply not true. The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.
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But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers. It's simply not true. The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.
they still only drive to their left,you can't ignore that
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But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers. It's simply not true. The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.
Well, when Nascar has road track event, there are so many crashes on the first turn it is pathetic.
It's sad that the cars we drive today or to the track are more technically superior than today's NASCAR racecar. What's with still using the trailing arm suspension that Mr.Johnson used on his cars 40+ yrs ago (after seeing them on a truck)? And I don't think they use carbonfiber yet at all. The drivers are secondary to the product placement on the cars. This is proven by the NASCAR commercials focusing on the crashes.
NUMBER 1, NASCAR is about entertainment, not driving. The more money that they generate and more people buy the sponsors products, the end result doesn't matter. Which is why, the average F1 racers is better than the average NASCAR racer. There are tons of feeder systems for F1, only a few for NASCAR. Hell, When you have Ferrari and BMW who use F1 tech on their road cars, it shows you how serious they take it.
Whereas, in NASCAR one used to be able to buy the engine and have that in your road car (right off the showroom floor). True American production based stock car racing is dead. Ford hasn't had a true RWD midsized sedan for a while and the Panther chassis for the Crown Vic well over 30+ yrs old. Actually Germany DTM is more stock car racing than Germany is.
And Jeff Gordon's reaction to when they did a Trading Paint, where he traded rides with then F1 Willams-BMW racer Montoya---Gordon was amazed at the lightness, the superior handling and braking
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But it's unfair to act like every F1 driver is "100 times better" than NACAR drivers. It's simply not true. The set-up is different, driving is different (real shifting)etc.... and those guys are just proof of that.
Yes, they are better than nascar drivers.
here. real shifting.
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Gilles Vileneuve, yeah he was good.
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Nascar gets ALL the ho's...........I've seen more pussy at nascar then a football game. Not really the redneck pigs either. 8)
Dario Franchitti drives NASCAR?
(http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2007/parties/070207_judd_400X400.jpg)
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Yes and no. All things being equal, if there is a seat open in F1 and there was an American and a European up for the ride, the European would get it. They really don't want American drivers
It's the same here too.....why aren't there Brazilian and Euro drivers dominating NASCAR and cashing in if they are so great? Our money is green. Because they aren't wanted.
Who wants to chear for some stuck up European when you can have a good ole country boy driving around in circles.
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And you really can't compare Nascar with F1. They are two totally different types of racing. I like Nascar but I think F1 is just awesome. Nascar is a made for everyday class and F1 is for upper class people. It just seems to work that way. The very rich hang around F1 races and people dress fancier and drink champagne and Nascar brings out the normal American who drink beer.
100% correct.
The culture of each sport is completely different and it would take generations to change that.
Can you really imagine your well-to-do friends purchasing a skybox at a large NASCAR event? Some would, but if I'm spending $20,000 on a racing getaway, then we're going to watch an F1 race.
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Who wants to chear for some stuck up European when you can have a good ole country boy driving around in circles.
I'm a NASCAR fan, because it's traditionally been an all-American event. I grew up being a big Winston Cup follower.
I don't watch as much anymore, though, since they went Nextel and started putting more Japanese makes on the track.
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Well, when Nascar has road track event, there are so many crashes on the first turn it is pathetic.
It's sad that the cars we drive today or to the track are more technically superior than today's NASCAR racecar. What's with still using the trailing arm suspension that Mr.Johnson used on his cars 40+ yrs ago (after seeing them on a truck)? And I don't think they use carbonfiber yet at all. The drivers are secondary to the product placement on the cars. This is proven by the NASCAR commercials focusing on the crashes.
NUMBER 1, NASCAR is about entertainment, not driving. The more money that they generate and more people buy the sponsors products, the end result doesn't matter. Which is why, the average F1 racers is better than the average NASCAR racer. There are tons of feeder systems for F1, only a few for NASCAR. Hell, When you have Ferrari and BMW who use F1 tech on their road cars, it shows you how serious they take it.
Whereas, in NASCAR one used to be able to buy the engine and have that in your road car (right off the showroom floor). True American production based stock car racing is dead. Ford hasn't had a true RWD midsized sedan for a while and the Panther chassis for the Crown Vic well over 30+ yrs old. Actually Germany DTM is more stock car racing than Germany is.
And Jeff Gordon's reaction to when they did a Trading Paint, where he traded rides with then F1 Willams-BMW racer Montoya---Gordon was amazed at the lightness, the superior handling and braking
Parker, you just made half my argument for me....the tech in the F1 cars is vastly superior. The downforce, set-up, etc....make the cars stick to the track. So the NASCAR drivers have an inferior tech car. So how exactly does that make them lesser drivers? Their cars are waaaay heavier, don't handle as well, don't brake as well and are just not as responsive.....yet F1 drivers are "100 times better?" I don't see it or believe it.
I forgot about Franchitti. He got completly overwhelmed.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs-jAImScms)
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Dario Franchitti drives NASCAR?
(http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2007/parties/070207_judd_400X400.jpg)
David drives F1.
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I'm a NASCAR fan, because it's traditionally been an all-American event. I grew up being a big Winston Cup follower.
I don't watch as much anymore, though, since they went Nextel and started putting more Japanese makes on the track.
I'm right there with you Tre....
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Check it out Kimi Raikkonen's bikes.
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Forget all this, here's where the fun begins.
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Parker, you just made half my argument for me....the tech in the F1 cars is vastly superior. The downforce, set-up, etc....make the cars stick to the track. So the NASCAR drivers have an inferior tech car. So how exactly does that make them lesser drivers? Their cars are waaaay heavier, don't handle as well, don't brake as well and are just not as responsive.....yet F1 drivers are "100 times better?" I don't see it or believe it.
I forgot about Franchitti. He got completly overwhelmed.
Because NASCAR doesn't require them to be good. It is a Show, entertainment, and product placement. Driver skill, saftey, are all second to making money. NASCAR has never really required drivers to have skill. NASCAR was never founded on driver skill. Backwoods dudes who drove moonshine the fastest...that what it was. I wish to god that NASCAR adapting to DTM rules or similar. When you have dumb down cars, that are heavy, lack good brakes, and all you do is turn left, and try and do do durty tricks. The skill level is not as good, it is not required to be. Because of the lack of overtaking in F1, patience and superior driving skill is needed. Also it is frowned upon in F1 to hit the others cars, one because of safety, and two because the cars are so advanced and expensive that last yr car is outdated, your talking multimillion dollar cars vs, a few hundred thousand for a NASCAR stocker.
But, if Ferrari were to offer Montoya a contract in ferrari next yr, you'd see him gone, and that is for the top guys in NASCAR. Europe has better reace car drivers, better cars, and altogether better drivers period (in terms of average everyday driver)
Furthermore, the question is, why is it that NASCAR has DUMB down cars? Why is it that a ZR-1 or a GT-R or a 599GTB,etc could out perform a NASCAR stocker, in excelleration, braking, skidpad, topspeed, virtually every category. And these are prodcution cars. Why doesn't NASCAR say, "lets upgrade our cars, and upgrade the level of play", especially because they make tons of money and have tons of money to address these issues? Well, because the FRANCE family and their corporate cronies are getting fat from their greedy endeavor...and that is why the DRIVER skill means little in NASCAR. THAT is why they focus on crashes in their commericals, because they know that crashes draw crowds, like train wrecks. Jeff Gordon and company their skill means nothing...And Dale Earnhardt's death mean jackshit, because they knew that there were safety issues, they didn't want to address it until someone died.
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Because NASCAR doesn't require them to be good. It is a Show, entertainment, and product placement. Driver skill, saftey, are all second to making money. NASCAR has never really required drivers to have skill. NASCAR was never founded on driver skill. Backwoods dudes who drove moonshine the fastest...that what it was. I wish to god that NASCAR adapting to DTM rules or similar. When you have dumb down cars, that are heavy, lack good brakes, and all you do is turn left, and try and do do durty tricks. The skill level is not as good, it is not required to be. Because of the lack of overtaking in F1, patience and superior driving skill is needed. Also it is frowned upon in F1 to hit the others cars, one because of safety, and two because the cars are so advanced and expensive that last yr car is outdated, your talking multimillion dollar cars vs, a few hundred thousand for a NASCAR stocker.
But, if Ferrari were to offer Montoya a contract in ferrari next yr, you'd see him gone, and that is for the top guys in NASCAR. Europe has better reace car drivers, better cars, and altogether better drivers period (in terms of average everyday driver)
Furthermore, the question is, why is it that NASCAR has DUMB down cars? Why is it that a ZR-1 or a GT-R or a 599GTB,etc could out perform a NASCAR stocker, in excelleration, braking, skidpad, topspeed, virtually every category. And these are prodcution cars. Why doesn't NASCAR say, "lets upgrade our cars, and upgrade the level of play", especially because they make tons of money and have tons of money to address these issues? Well, because the FRANCE family and their corporate cronies are getting fat from their greedy endeavor...and that is why the DRIVER skill means little in NASCAR. THAT is why they focus on crashes in their commericals, because they know that crashes draw crowds, like train wrecks. Jeff Gordon and company their skill means nothing...And Dale Earnhardt's death mean jackshit, because they knew that there were safety issues, they didn't want to address it until someone died.
You're sorta from up North. ;)
How do you know so much about NASCAR??
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Because NASCAR doesn't require them to be good. It is a Show, entertainment, and product placement. Driver skill, saftey, are all second to making money. NASCAR has never really required drivers to have skill. NASCAR was never founded on driver skill. Backwoods dudes who drove moonshine the fastest...that what it was. I wish to god that NASCAR adapting to DTM rules or similar. When you have dumb down cars, that are heavy, lack good brakes, and all you do is turn left, and try and do do durty tricks. The skill level is not as good, it is not required to be. Because of the lack of overtaking in F1, patience and superior driving skill is needed. Also it is frowned upon in F1 to hit the others cars, one because of safety, and two because the cars are so advanced and expensive that last yr car is outdated, your talking multimillion dollar cars vs, a few hundred thousand for a NASCAR stocker.
But, if Ferrari were to offer Montoya a contract in ferrari next yr, you'd see him gone, and that is for the top guys in NASCAR. Europe has better reace car drivers, better cars, and altogether better drivers period (in terms of average everyday driver)
Furthermore, the question is, why is it that NASCAR has DUMB down cars? Why is it that a ZR-1 or a GT-R or a 599GTB,etc could out perform a NASCAR stocker, in excelleration, braking, skidpad, topspeed, virtually every category. And these are prodcution cars. Why doesn't NASCAR say, "lets upgrade our cars, and upgrade the level of play", especially because they make tons of money and have tons of money to address these issues? Well, because the FRANCE family and their corporate cronies are getting fat from their greedy endeavor...and that is why the DRIVER skill means little in NASCAR. THAT is why they focus on crashes in their commericals, because they know that crashes draw crowds, like train wrecks. Jeff Gordon and company their skill means nothing...And Dale Earnhardt's death mean jackshit, because they knew that there were safety issues, they didn't want to address it until someone died.
exactly
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Monaco. 100 MPH corner.
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Those reactions are ridiculous