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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: bigmc on April 11, 2009, 07:45:55 AM
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
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anyone try animal stak? ;D
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yes we all did when we were young and dumb
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
Today's over the counter supplements represent the most advanced biochemistry science has to offer. You can get ultra-anabolic results with zero damage to liver, kidneys, brain, etc.
What I have personally accomplished with supplements is astonishing.
Hot Stuff comes to mind.
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like alot of people, i got sucked into all the false and fraudulent advertising when i was young. now the only supplement i use is food.
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Today's over the counter supplements represent the most advanced biochemistry science has to offer. You can get ultra-anabolic results with zero damage to liver, kidneys, brain, etc.
What I have personally accomplished with supplements is astonishing.
Hot Stuff comes to mind.
oh brother ::)
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WTF are you talking about. Plazmosis = excellent return on investment.
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The only supplements that make any real difference to body composition are injectible testosterone and human growth hormone. You can't buy these at GNC or on bodybuilding.com, and if you're under 35 you won't get a doctor to write you a 'script. Therefore, you can either buy in the black market and have no real fuccking clue what it is you're shooting into your body, or realize that bodybuilding is for fags, and just focus on basic health and fitness.
I recommend the latter.
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I have always used Protein powder and go on and off on Creatine. Apart from those two, I don't really take anything else, at least regularly - I'll buy a 1 month supply of fish oil or multivitamins and take 3 - 5 months to finish them cause of the irregularity. I wouldn't go outright and say all supplements are crap, but a lot of them do over-promise and under-deliver big time.
Protien powder's basic constituent is the Whey protein that gets separated from milk during cheese production, so there is no question that it works and is a legitimately good thing to take. What supplements have you tried, Bigmc?
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I have always used Protein powder and go on and off on Creatine. Apart from those two, I don't really take anything else, at least regularly - I'll buy a 1 month supply of fish oil or multivitamins and take 3 - 5 months to finish them cause of the irregularity. I wouldn't go outright and say all supplements are crap, but a lot of them do over-promise and under-deliver big time.
Protien powder's basic constituent is the Whey protein that gets separated from milk during cheese production, so there is no question that it works and is a legitimately good thing to take. What supplements have you tried, Bigmc?
everything mate.
creatine gives me the shits
protein powders make me fart so bad my wife passes out
all the supplements with the guys in the labs and pro bodybuilders in the ads
now i just buy good quality steak, chicken etc. much better
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
I spent a bunch of money on the old weider weight gain powders. Those big tubs. The only thing I gained was gas :'(
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like alot of people, i got sucked into all the false and fraudulent advertising when i was young. now the only supplement i use is food.
food isn't a supplement.hope this helps.
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The only supplements that make any real difference to body composition are injectible testosterone and human growth hormone. You can't buy these at GNC or on bodybuilding.com, and if you're under 35 you won't get a doctor to write you a 'script. Therefore, you can either buy in the black market and have no real fuccking clue what it is you're shooting into your body, or realize that bodybuilding is for fags, and just focus on basic health and fitness.
I recommend the latter.
you can esily get human grade and gh on black market today perfectly fine and dosed right,,,if you have no money on you you can always buy ip which in 100% cases is underdosed to the 10th degree but if you inject it every day or 2 youll get the dose needed at the end only waste same money you watse for human grade along the way for underground crap ,,the other ug are not to be used period,,
the rest of what you say is true ,,
the only reason a bodybuilder is a bodybuilder is TESTOSTERONE DIANABOL AND SINCE THE EARLY 90S HGH on regular basis
and what i mean by that is:
NO BODYBUILDER WOULD EVER WIN A SERIOUS COMPETITION AS IN REGIONAL OR STATE ITH OUT THE CONSTANT USE OF TESTOSTERONE DIANABOL AND GH NOW DAYS AND I MEAN NO ONE! ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!
THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS GENETICS ,,GUYS WITH GOOD GENETICS WALKING AROUND AT 160 POUNDS AT 7% AT 5'9 AND FAR FAR FAR FROM THICK,,THATS! GOOD GENETICS
gh15 approved
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you can esily get human grade and gh on black market today perfectly fine and dosed right,,,if you have no money on you you can always buy ip which in 100% cases is underdosed to the 10th degree but if you inject it every day or 2 youll get the dose needed at the end only waste same money you watse for human grade along the way for underground crap ,,the other ug are not to be used period,,
the rest of what you say is true ,,
the only reason a bodybuilder is a bodybuilder is TESTOSTERONE DIANABOL AND SINCE THE EARLY 90S HGH on regular basis
and what i mean by that is:
NO BODYBUILDER WOULD EVER WIN A SERIOUS COMPETITION AS IN REGIONAL OR STATE ITH OUT THE CONSTANT USE OF TESTOSTERONE DIANABOL AND GH NOW DAYS AND I MEAN NO ONE! ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!
THERE IS NO SUCH A THING AS GENETICS ,,GUYS WITH GOOD GENETICS WALKING AROUND AT 160 POUNDS AT 7% AT 5'9 AND FAR FAR FAR FROM THICK,,THATS! GOOD GENETICS
gh15 approved
how much gh would you have to take to make a difference
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I think protein shakes are useful, especially if you don't have the time/job that allows you to eat throughout the day, anytime you want. They are called "supplements" for a reason. I wouldn't recommend trying to live off them....
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how much gh would you have to take to make a difference
with real gh pharma level
220 15% go to 225 10% in less than 8 weeks on 4 units a day
220 15% go to 225 7% in 3-4 months on 4 units a day
no aas needed
add aas and you will be 15 lb thicker
add insulin and t3 with the aas and you get to pro level 250-260 at single digit at 5'10
gh15 approved
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Considering that most veteran bodybuilders use supplements, and most people who are in shape use supplements, your statement is embarassing.
Some supplements do not work, that is true, but many do. For people on the go, protein shakes, powders, various supplements work.
Using something that sounds strange, looks strange and has not been tested might not work for everyone, especially one who things they can take a supplement, and lose weight or get in shape right away.
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I use supps but i sometime think that they are placebo.
In my opinion, not 100% sure, but it doesnt work that much. :-\
Always law food or semi law food are better.
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Considering that most veteran bodybuilders use supplements, and most people who are in shape use supplements, your statement is embarassing.
Some supplements do not work, that is true, but many do. For people on the go, protein shakes, powders, various supplements work.
Using something that sounds strange, looks strange and has not been tested might not work for everyone, especially one who things they can take a supplement, and lose weight or get in shape right away.
Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
Great post ,Goatboy.
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
excellent post
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Some supplements do not work, that is true, but many do.
Ron ,can you give us a list of supplements that don't work , thank you.
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
Great post, Goatboy! The supplement industry is such a scam, for the most part.
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Ron ,can you give us a list of supplements that don't work , thank you.
Maybe a list that do would be quicker.
That being said, I'm a bad sleeper but have found that ZMA "helps" me sleep better. Might be all in my head but £15 a month is worth sleeping 5 or 6 hours a night rather than the usual 3 or 4.
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Considering that most veteran bodybuilders use supplements, and most people who are in shape use supplements, your statement is embarassing.
Most veteran bodybuilders don't use supplements at all. The only time an IFBB pro uses/consumes a supplement (Besides Protein powder) is when, as Goatboy mentioned, their sponsors tell them it's part of their contract to do so in the open public or while taking part in videos of interviews (i.e. SEE SPONSORED ATHLETE KEEPING A CONTAINER OF PROTEIN AND CREATINE NEXT TO THE MICROWAVE OR FRIDGE).
Most people in shape also don't care much about supplements sold over the counter. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, you can get an AMAZING physique with just (A) Proper Diet (B) Proper protein intake (C) Taking a daily multivitamin (D) Workouts consisting of cardiovascular exercises along with weight lifting and (E) Proper Rest.
That's it folks, nothing more to it. There is no secret to this shit and it's sad that supplement companies keep selling these kids garbage that 95% of the time doesn't work, but 100% of the time does give the liver and kidneys a large amount of work to do by way of metabolizing and excreting the junk.
For those of you who are young and wide-eyed, stay away from supplements..
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I would much rather eat a steak or have cottage cheese over a protein shake. Any day of the week, all day.
But I can't with my schedule. I can't sit down to eat a can of tuna, or prepare a steak at any hour of the day.
So for me having protein shakes are convenience, necessity, and possibly most importantly an insurance or peace of mind for me that I'm getting something rather than missing a meal altogether.
The theory that I have, forgive the example, is Greg Kovacs in his early MMI "articles/ads..."
"I would rather skip a workout than a meal. With a workout you can make it up at a later date. When you skip a meal you have to start the process over again and that can hinder your progress."
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Most people in shape also don't care much about supplements sold over the counter. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, you can get an AMAZING physique with just (A) Proper Diet (B) Proper protein intake (C) Taking a daily multivitamin (D) Workouts consisting of cardiovascular exercises along with weight lifting and (E) Proper Rest.
Excellent post as well although I don't think (C) and (D1) are essential.
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Excellent post as well although I don't think (C) and (D1) are essential.
Well, it is true that if you have a proper diet, most of the vitamins and minerals found in a multivitamin can be accounted for by the food consumed, but, in reality, we don't "always" take in the right meals (regardless of how low in fat/calories they might be) that contain all essential vitamins and minerals, so taking a multivitamin can be useful in the long run.
Depending on your age, rate of metabolism and present bodyfat levels, an exercise regimen that consists of both cardio and weight lifting might work best. Again, if you have low bodyfat levels due to your genetic makeup (Mesomorphs) or just have a fast metabolism in general, then you can, at times, skip out on the need for cardio..
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Well, it is true that if you have a proper diet, most of the vitamins and minerals found in a multivitamin can be accounted for by the food consumed, but, in reality, we don't "always" take in the right meals (regardless of how low in fat/calories they might be) that contain all essential vitamins and minerals, so taking a multivitamin can be useful in the long run.
Depending on your age, rate of metabolism and present bodyfat levels, an exercise regimen that consists of both cardio and weight lifting might work best. Again, if you have low bodyfat levels due to your genetic makeup (Mesomorphs) or just have a fast metabolism in general, then you can, at times, skip out on the need for cardio..
I think cardio is a tool of convenience. Regardless of age, metabolism, and bodyfat, reducing calories will have the same effect on body composition as doing cardio as long as rate of weight loss is maintained in both cases and protein stays high enough. At least I don't know of studies that would prove otherwise.
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I think cardio is a tool of convenience. Regardless of age, metabolism, and bodyfat, reducing calories will have the same effect on body composition as doing cardio as long as rate of weight loss is maintained in both cases and protein stays high enough. At least I don't know of studies that would prove otherwise.
I prefer to keep my calories constant, while upping my duration of cardio. When you lower calories, I think you risk losing more than just weight/fat. I'd rather feed the muscle, make sure it has it's calories needed to recover & grow, and then use the cardio to create the deficit needed to whittle away the unwanted love handles. (simplistic approach/explanation).
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I prefer to keep my calories constant, while upping my duration of cardio. When you lower calories, I think you risk losing more than just weight/fat. I'd rather feed the muscle, make sure it has it's calories needed to recover & grow, and then use the cardio to create the deficit needed to whittle away the unwanted love handles. (simplistic approach/explanation).
In my experience, there is no significant difference as long as protein is high enough and weight training stays intense. I actually did slightly better without cardio. But I agree that many people will have an easier time sticking to a diet higher in calories and working them off again.
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GH 15 ....do you consider PH's a steroid ?
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Glutamine gives me morning wood and weird dreams, at least it did something.
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Nuff said. Who still buys supplements after having watched this is beyond helped.
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
you just pwned the fvck out of Ron ;D
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
They even anti-work.
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Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Creatine does more than just increase water retention in muscle. But even if that was the only thing it did, hydrated muscle cells are much more anabolic and lipolytic than lesser hydrated muscle cells.
GH 15 ....do you consider PH's a steroid ?
he has said before that m1t is better than dbol. "prohormone" is a term used for steroids that arent illegal yet. they are steroids, 100%.
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Most veteran bodybuilders don't use supplements at all. The only time an IFBB pro uses/consumes a supplement (Besides Protein powder) is when, as Goatboy mentioned, their sponsors tell them it's part of their contract to do so in the open public or while taking part in videos of interviews (i.e. SEE SPONSORED ATHLETE KEEPING A CONTAINER OF PROTEIN AND CREATINE NEXT TO THE MICROWAVE OR FRIDGE).
Most people in shape also don't care much about supplements sold over the counter. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, you can get an AMAZING physique with just (A) Proper Diet (B) Proper protein intake (C) Taking a daily multivitamin (D) Workouts consisting of cardiovascular exercises along with weight lifting and (E) Proper Rest.
I've been making posts like this for a while and been vilified for it...most supps don't work...and they are a waste of money.....
That's it folks, nothing more to it. There is no secret to this shit and it's sad that supplement companies keep selling these kids garbage that 95% of the time doesn't work, but 100% of the time does give the liver and kidneys a large amount of work to do by way of metabolizing and excreting the junk.
For those of you who are young and wide-eyed, stay away from supplements..
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Protein powder doesn't really work its just a convenient way to get extra protein in your diet
Creatine makes me gain a ton of water weight...my hands, feet, face get super swollen...I don't know if it causes any muscle gain other than retaining that extra water makes you stronger
When dieting I find I don't get colds as much when i take glutamine but that could all be in my head
the rest are a waste of money
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
Wrong... creatine increases energy stores, strength ... many studies to back it up
fish oil has helath benefits, mood benefits and increases fatty acid oxidation. I wouldn't take advice from anyone on nutrition or supplementation that has little knowledge in the area. Im not directiing that at you but alot of armchair experts on here claim this and that when studies can prove them wrong. Alot of good companies out there with lab results to back up there claims.
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Considering that most veteran bodybuilders use supplements, and most people who are in shape use supplements, your statement is embarassing.
Some supplements do not work, that is true, but many do. For people on the go, protein shakes, powders, various supplements work.
Using something that sounds strange, looks strange and has not been tested might not work for everyone, especially one who things they can take a supplement, and lose weight or get in shape right away.
Give me a break ::) ..... supps are a waste of money...they only thing they do for sure is make the supp companies ceo's rich. you either can go natty and eat a whole food diet and be in great shape or juice like the pros and take supps and pretend that the supps are what made you huge.... Ron what is embarrassing is you towing the supp companies /weider line that has been ripping people off for what the last 25 years?
save your money people!
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I buy dextrose and whey protein from www.myprotein.co.uk ...
It's cheaper and easier than taking a chicken breast and gatorade.
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Creatine has a small effect on some people, oils and protein powder are not supplements, they are food. Food has many benefits, no doubt about it.
We are talking about "proprietary blends" with "patents pending" that provide 156.453% muscle cell volumization and 127.32% muscle growth amplification.
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Creatine has a small effect on some people, oils and protein powder are not supplements, they are food. Food has many benefits, no doubt about it.
We are talking about "proprietary blends" with "patents pending" that provide 156.453% muscle cell volumization and 127.32% muscle growth amplification.
Strong nitric oxide supplements improve my erections very noticibly.
Creatine never really did shit for me.
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Food has many benefits, no doubt about it.
;D
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Strong nitric oxide supplements improve my erections very noticibly.
Creatine never really did shit for me.
That's interesting but does it improve body composition on any other part of your body?
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you just pwned the fvck out of Ron ;D
Oh shit, I'm headed to time-out for sure! :o
;D
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Wrong... creatine increases energy stores, strength ... many studies to back it up
But it doesn't make any significant difference in body composition, which is what I said:
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
fish oil has helath benefits
I'm pretty sure I said that:
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
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Oh shit, I'm headed to time-out for sure! :o
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I'll make sure to send you Goat Whey and rally for your freedom while you're in timeout Goatboy ;D
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That's interesting but does it improve body composition on any other part of your body?
well, it gives you a better pump in the gym and better errection, you can get l-arginine pretty cheap, don't need anything fancy, and it's worth it ocassionally for the better pump and errection lol.
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But it doesn't make any significant difference in body composition, which is what I said:
It isn't a steroid for sure, although part of why steroids make you gain weight (lbm) is increased muscle creatine stores. So you can mimic a part of that with creatine supplements. Sure, it's temporary but so are steroids.
There are some mechanisms whereby creatine might help increase actual contractile muscle tissue too, over time. For example:
Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2008 Aug;18(4):389-98.Links
Effect of creatine supplementation and resistance-exercise training on muscle insulin-like growth factor in young adults.
Burke DG, Candow DG, Chilibeck PD, MacNeil LG, Roy BD, Tarnopolsky MA, Ziegenfuss T.
Department of Human Kinetics, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, NS, Canada.
The purpose of this study was to compare changes in muscle insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) content resulting from resistance-exercise training (RET) and creatine supplementation (CR). Male (n=24) and female (n=18) participants with minimal resistance-exercise-training experience (=1 year) who were participating in at least 30 min of structured physical activity (i.e., walking, jogging, cycling) 3-5 x/wk volunteered for the study. Participants were randomly assigned in blocks (gender) to supplement with creatine (CR: 0.25 g/kg lean-tissue mass for 7 days; 0.06 g/kg lean-tissue mass for 49 days; n=22, 12 males, 10 female) or isocaloric placebo (PL: n=20, 12 male, 8 female) and engage in a whole-body RET program for 8 wk. Eighteen participants were classified as vegetarian (lacto-ovo or vegan; CR: 5 male, 5 female; PL: 3 male, 5 female). Muscle biopsies (vastus lateralis) were taken before and after the intervention and analyzed for IGF-I using standard immunohistochemical procedures. Stained muscle cross-sections were examined microscopically and IGF-I content quantified using image-analysis software. Results showed that RET increased intramuscular IGF-I content by 67%, with greater accumulation from CR (+78%) than PL (+54%; p=.06). There were no differences in IGF-I between vegetarians and nonvegetarians. These findings indicate that creatine supplementation during resistance-exercise training increases intramuscular IGF-I concentration in healthy men and women, independent of habitual dietary routine.
Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2005 May;37(5):731-6.Click here to read Links
Increased IGF mRNA in human skeletal muscle after creatine supplementation.
Deldicque L, Louis M, Theisen D, Nielens H, Dehoux M, Thissen JP, Rennie MJ, Francaux M.
Department of Physical Education and Rehabilitation, Faculty of Medicine, Catholic University of Louvain, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium.
PURPOSE: We hypothesized that creatine supplementation would facilitate muscle anabolism by increasing the expression of growth factors and the phosphorylation of anabolic signaling molecules; we therefore tested the responses of mRNA for IGF-I and IGF-II and the phosphorylation state of components of anabolic signaling pathways p70(s6k) and 4E-BP1 to a bout of high-intensity resistance exercise after 5 d of creatine supplementation. METHODS: In a double-blind cross-over design, muscle biopsies were taken from the m. vastus lateralis at rest and 3 and 24 h postexercise in subjects who had taken creatine or placebo for 5 d (21 g x d(-1)). For the first 3 h postexercise, the subjects were fed with a drink containing maltodextrin (0.3 g x kg(-1) body weight x h(-1)) and protein (0.08 g x kg(-1) body weight x h(-1)). RESULTS: After creatine supplementation, resting muscle expressed more mRNA for IGF-I (+30%, P < 0.05) and IGF-II (+40%, P = 0.054). Exercise caused an increase by 3 h postexercise in IGF-I (+24%, P < 0.05) and IGF-II (+48%, P < 0.05) and by 24 h postexercise in IGF-I (+29%, P < 0.05), but this effect was not potentiated by creatine supplementation. The phosphorylation states of p70(s6k) and 4E-BP1 were not affected by creatine at rest; phosphorylation of both increased (150-400%, P < 0.05) to similar levels under placebo and creatine conditions at 3 h postexercise plus feeding. However, the phosphorylation state of 4E-BP1 was higher in the creatine versus placebo condition at 24 h postexercise. CONCLUSION: The increase in lean body mass often reported after creatine supplementation could be mediated by signaling pathway(s) involving IGF and 4E-BP1.
Regular creatine mono is practically free so I use it, can't hurt, and any lbm I can get even if water is welcome.
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But it doesn't make any significant difference in body composition, which is what I said:
I'm pretty sure I said that:
no it does, read the literature. If your expecting amazing life changing results then no. But you wont get that from switching from chicken to beef either. They supplement your diet and aid you. Look at ephedrine that is a supplement, a natural herb, the alkaloid is from the herb ma haung or ephedra.
caffeine, creatine, fish oil, green tea has tons of studies showing significant fat loss potential.
I wont argue with anectdotal evidence, the clinical evidence speaks for itself. Testing them on yourself then making broad generalizations isn't a good way to make judgements since there is so many variables.
I really like reservatrol for test boosting and notice improvment in body comp from it in transdermal, there is lit out there for this, and people have lab results with test increase and estrogen decreases. Just an example, alot of companies throw shit in a pile in less then effective doses and thats perhaps the reason why many supps suck.
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no it does, read the literature. If your expecting amazing life changing results then no. But you wont get that from switching from chicken to beef either. They supplement your diet and aid you. Look at ephedrine that is a supplement, a natural herb, the alkaloid is from the herb ma haung or ephedra.
caffeine, creatine, fish oil, green tea has tons of studies showing significant fat loss potential.
I wont argue with anectdotal evidence, the clinical evidence speaks for itself. Testing them on yourself then making broad generalizations isn't a good way to make judgements since there is so many variables.
I really like reservatrol for test boosting and notice improvment in body comp from it in transdermal, there is lit out there for this, and people have lab results with test increase and estrogen decreases. Just an example, alot of companies throw shit in a pile in less then effective doses and thats perhaps the reason why many supps suck.
if they ever creat a supplement for improving grammar, you should be the first one to take it. just sayin... anyhoo, what do you think of BCAA supplements? I've tried Scivation's XTEND as a pre-during-post workout drink and there were noticeable differences in my stamina and post-workout recovery (reduced DOMS).
And whats this "reservatrol" supplement you're talking about? never heard of it.
P.S.: Still waiting on your PM's, hun :-*
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The bodybuilding industry is such a scam, for the most part.
fixed
also fact is unless it's handed to you directly by a pharmacist, vet or a doctor,
99% of drug users have no idea what they are injecting and none of you pay
to have your crap tested. not unlike any other junkie
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if they ever creat a supplement for improving grammar, you should be the first one to take it. just sayin... anyhoo, what do you think of BCAA supplements? I've tried Scivation's XTEND as a pre-during-post workout drink and there were noticeable differences in my stamina and post-workout recovery (reduced DOMS).
And whats this "reservatrol" supplement you're talking about? never heard of it.
P.S.: Still waiting on your PM's, hun :-*
I could improve my grammar to a decent level but my posts are somewhat lazy. Check me out on mind and muscle for examples of me mastering the art of writing.
reservatrol is found in red wine, besides its antioxidant capabilities it is quite potent at stimulating testosterone production and sensitizing test to LH response. Primordial Performance has a supp called sustain alpha with it in it, is nice. Should help asthma also ;D. I love bcaa's and really like xtend, not sure why they used glutamine but the taste is awesome, lemonade is the nuts.
forgot about the pm's, i always forget about pm's. Not sure why, geuss laziness is permeating my entire life.
ps... i love u :-*
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Protein powder (or a protein/carb blend) as a convenient meal replacement is fine, but it's really just another food. Asking if protein powder "works" is kind of like asking if steak "works".
Many health-promoting supplements, like fish oil, antioxidants, and several others have value for health or disease-prevention, but are totally worthless for body-composition changes.
Ephedrine/caffeine was effective as a weight-loss aid (mostly because it suppresses appetite), but most "fat burner" supplements sold today do not contain ephedrine.
Creatine causes water retention and adds water weight to the scale, but has little to do with real body composition changes and muscle to fat ratio.
Everything else out there is pure unadulterated snake oil.
"Veteran bodybuilders" use supplements because they are paid to by their supplement-selling sponsors.
So, I stand by my original statement: The only "supplements" that produce any measurable changes in body composition are injectable testosterone and human growth hormone.
great post if you were talking to a bunch of jr high students, but seriously redundant and lame if you're trying to pass that rhetoric off as knowledge to anyone with half a clue....
I give this post a D+ and rank it right up there with reruns of friends or sienfeld..
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great post if you were talking to a bunch of jr high students, but seriously redundant and lame if you're trying to pass that rhetoric off as knowledge to anyone with half a clue....
I give this post a D+ and rank it right up there with reruns of friends or sienfeld..
Translation: Geo is a serious supplement user, and I appear to have struck a nerve with him.
Go back to the X Board, old man. ::)
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he has said before that m1t is better than dbol. "prohormone" is a term used for steroids that arent illegal yet. they are steroids, 100%.
I'm talking about today's PH's, M1T has been gone for years
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Translation: Geo is a serious supplement user, and I appear to have struck a nerve with him.
Go back to the X Board, old man. ::)
speaking of nerves,when ya gonna post a pic ?
I mean it's only been ten years that ya been posting here, and you're about the last one in the pool as far as showing a little "independance from the bondage of self doubt"... ;D
I'm guessing you were THAT kid in high school that took showers in high school gym wearing his underwear..
;D
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I think protein shakes are useful, especially if you don't have the time/job that allows you to eat throughout the day, anytime you want. They are called "supplements" for a reason. I wouldn't recommend trying to live off them....
EXACTLY!!!
As I've said numerous times, most of the people blubbering about supplements not working likely had horrible diets and were eating like garbage, foolishly expecting the supplements to make up the slack.
As far as protein shakes go, people also forget that the bodybuilders who use them (i.e. the NPC top amateurs and IFBB pros) drink the stuff like Kool-Aid. Back in the 90s, when MET-Rx was the protein supplement supreme, competitors were taking 8 packs of that stuff daily, which last I checked was just under 300 grams of protein.
This was in ADDITION to the regular food they ate.
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n oooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Their good for natural as far as adding some water weight(creatine ect..) ,giving you a pumped look(creatine no2 ect..) but if you think your gonna actually build any muscle because of them your fooling yourself.
Some herbs will bring your test into normal range if your over 30 and your testes are still funtioning.
You will build some muscle if you have normal hormone levels, no muscle if your below normal, plenty if your above normal ect....
You build your body from your teens to early 20's unless you maintain beyond the norm and have naturally high hormone levels beyond that age window.
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friends,,
i prepared 100s of guys and girls for shows,,TRUE BATURALS THAT COULDNT DO HORMONES BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AFRAID ,,I PREPARED SO MANY AND ITS ALWAYS THE SAME
GUYS ARE 5'11 GO ON STAGE 165LB AT 6% NATURALLY ,,ALWAYS THE SAME NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER WAY ,,THAT INCLUDES MANY GUYS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF BECOMING PROFESSIONALS AND SOME INDEED TURN PROS
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS NATURAL GO ON STAGE AT:
5'11 165LB 6% IF VERY GOOD GENETIC SKIN TONE LIKE ASIAN MAYBE 5%
5'9 GO ON STAGE NATURAL 155-160 AT 5-6%
5'7 GO ON STAGE NATURALLY 150-155 AT 5-6%
TRUST ME ON THAT ANYTHING OVER THIS IS NOT NATURAL AT THAT BODY FAT %
SO ...WHEN YOU SEE A FELLA LIKE GETNY TELLIN YOU HE IS 250 BEFORE HE HORMONIZE,,YOU GOTTA ASK YOURSELF THIS : DOES ANYTHING HE SELL GARBAGE? THE ANSWER IS
ABSOLUTELY YES
gh15 approved
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What do you mean by asian skin tone?
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friends,,
i prepared 100s of guys and girls for shows,,
5'11 165LB 6% IF VERY GOOD GENETIC SKIN TONE LIKE ASIAN MAYBE 5%
5'9 GO ON STAGE NATURAL 155-160 AT 5-6%
5'7 GO ON STAGE NATURALLY 150-155 AT 5-6%
TRUST ME ON THAT ANYTHING OVER THIS IS NOT NATURAL AT THAT BODY FAT
you left out the fact that you obviously suck as a trainer !
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friends,,
i prepared 100s of guys and girls for shows,,TRUE BATURALS THAT COULDNT DO HORMONES BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AFRAID ,,I PREPARED SO MANY AND ITS ALWAYS THE SAME
GUYS ARE 5'11 GO ON STAGE 165LB AT 6% NATURALLY ,,ALWAYS THE SAME NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER WAY ,,THAT INCLUDES MANY GUYS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF BECOMING PROFESSIONALS AND SOME INDEED TURN PROS
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS NATURAL GO ON STAGE AT:
5'11 165LB 6% IF VERY GOOD GENETIC SKIN TONE LIKE ASIAN MAYBE 5%
5'9 GO ON STAGE NATURAL 155-160 AT 5-6%
5'7 GO ON STAGE NATURALLY 150-155 AT 5-6%
TRUST ME ON THAT ANYTHING OVER THIS IS NOT NATURAL AT THAT BODY FAT %
SO ...WHEN YOU SEE A FELLA LIKE GETNY TELLIN YOU HE IS 250 BEFORE HE HORMONIZE,,YOU GOTTA ASK YOURSELF THIS : DOES ANYTHING HE SELL GARBAGE? THE ANSWER IS
ABSOLUTELY YES
gh15 approved
exactly!
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Considering that most veteran bodybuilders use supplements, and most people who are in shape use supplements, your statement is embarrassing.
Some supplements do not work, that is true, but many do. For people on the go, protein shakes, powders, various supplements work.
Using something that sounds strange, looks strange and has not been tested might not work for everyone, especially one who things they can take a supplement, and lose weight or get in shape right away.
embarrassing,
show me one video outside of a thinly disguised ad where a pro BB takes a supplement.
you don't look like you have ever stepped inside a gym not hating just pointing out - how would you know.
the supplement industry is a thinly disguised bullshit campain by companies taking money out of the pockets of teenagers who don't know better
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Don't talk shit about Plazmosis! ;D
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sad thing is you first have to spend boatloads of money on it to come to the conclusion its all a load of crap.
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friends,,
i prepared 100s of guys and girls for shows,,TRUE BATURALS THAT COULDNT DO HORMONES BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AFRAID ,,I PREPARED SO MANY AND ITS ALWAYS THE SAME
GUYS ARE 5'11 GO ON STAGE 165LB AT 6% NATURALLY ,,ALWAYS THE SAME NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER WAY ,,THAT INCLUDES MANY GUYS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF BECOMING PROFESSIONALS AND SOME INDEED TURN PROS
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS NATURAL GO ON STAGE AT:
5'11 165LB 6% IF VERY GOOD GENETIC SKIN TONE LIKE ASIAN MAYBE 5%
5'9 GO ON STAGE NATURAL 155-160 AT 5-6%
5'7 GO ON STAGE NATURALLY 150-155 AT 5-6%
TRUST ME ON THAT ANYTHING OVER THIS IS NOT NATURAL AT THAT BODY FAT %
SO ...WHEN YOU SEE A FELLA LIKE GETNY TELLIN YOU HE IS 250 BEFORE HE HORMONIZE,,YOU GOTTA ASK YOURSELF THIS : DOES ANYTHING HE SELL GARBAGE? THE ANSWER IS
ABSOLUTELY YES
gh15 approved
And you have trained every single human being ever right ::)
Do you pull these numbers out your ass or what?
Heres some free advice for you as you obviously didnt do to well in school...DNA WE ARE NOT ALL OF THE SAME BLUE PRINT...meaning this numbers you spout out are bull shit.Sure you may have trained naturals to 5'11 165LB 6% but whos to say there arnt guys out there natural who can come in heavier with the same condition at that height..just cos you have shit genetics doesnt mean everyone else does..
WG Approved
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Creatine Monohydrate
Whey,casein, or milk + egg protein powder
Vitamins
Minerals
At one time,I had an almost unlimited supply of glutamine supplied to me by a reputable company............used high dosages and got zero results.
Most supplements are just hype!!!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, READ FRANCO'S nutrition book!!!!!!!!!! Franco used D-bol, we know that. All he is saying is, you only need "high quality protein" beef,fish, chicken. He also advises (advices) to take high quality vitamin and mineral supplements from a respected supplement manufacturer. NOW, SOLGAR, KAL, TWINLAB are all gmp certified manufacturers. Between multi's and vitamin c, maybe some minerals you are only going to spend maybe $20.00 a month tops!! Not too much eh?? Wake up guys and smell the coffee!!
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And you have trained every single human being ever right ::)
Do you pull these numbers out your ass or what?
Heres some free advice for you as you obviously didnt do to well in school...DNA WE ARE NOT ALL OF THE SAME BLUE PRINT...meaning this numbers you spout out are bull shit.Sure you may have trained naturals to 5'11 165LB 6% but whos to say there arnt guys out there natural who can come in heavier with the same condition at that height..just cos you have shit genetics doesnt mean everyone else does..
WG Approved
why mad at god ohfhormones,,
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whey protein is not bullshit!
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you wont be mr olympia by using supplements :) and thats the truth.
99% are bullshit claims and no research. Only thing that will change is your wallet being empty at the end of the month.
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why mad at god ohfhormones,,
He is better when he posts under the JOCKTHEGLIDE account :D
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Bodybuilding 101: Eat real food.
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Creatine Monohydrate
Whey,casein, or milk + egg protein powder
Vitamins
Minerals
At one time,I had an almost unlimited supply of glutamine supplied to me by a reputable company............used high dosages and got zero results.
Most supplements are just hype!!!
if you had looked at the research on glutamine you would of known that the oral route offers no benefits...
just saying.
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you wont be mr olympia by using supplements
Who would want to be? Pro and national-level competitors' bodies these days look ridiculous for the most part.
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
STEROIDS WORK
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STEROIDS WORK
Some do,some are counterfiet,its about 50/50 here now what you'll get
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Some do,some are counterfiet,its about 50/50 here now what you'll get
HG Amps ;D, No UG GARBAGE!
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HG Amps ;D, No UG GARBAGE!
Even so,norma deca is mostly counterfeit,as are naposim dbol,iraninan test e
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Great post, Goatboy! The supplement industry is such a scam, for the most part.
What about Joe Weiders "Life Essence" and "Anabolic Mega Pacs" I thought they were the next best thing to synthetics back in '88 lol
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Even so,norma deca is mostly counterfeit,as are naposim dbol,iraninan test e
Good thing Schering TE is around ;D
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How many getbiggers wasted money on supplements. i spent a fortune on them when i was younger before i realised it was all bullshit. >:(
ehh, some do and some dont. Multis, creatine, protein,cffeine, ephedra, and basic stuff work. sure we all believed the hype of some products and spend money on bullshit pills, but the basic supps do work
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I bought some superdrol.. it worked :)
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Even so,norma deca is mostly counterfeit,as are naposim dbol,iraninan test e
yes.. black market steroids are dicey.
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yes.. black market steroids are dicey.
Well its only fair hardcore bodybuilders become permanent Thai citizens;
Afterall what's the point in working out in a country which doesn't support you're physique as a work of art?
My recent escapade from AU to Thailand was strictly for "tourism" only.
Thank the gods for lawless countries such as Mexico and Thailand, I mean where else could we train seriously?
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Well its only fair hardcore bodybuilders become permanent Thai citizens;
Afterall what's the point in working out in a country which doesn't support you're physique as a work of art?
My recent escapade from AU to Thailand was strictly for "tourism" only.
Thank the gods for lawless countries such as Mexico and Thailand, I mean where else could we train seriously?
I was reading your post.. and my dick got hard. an odd thought of banging a milf up the ass invaded my mind.
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IT'S ALL BULLSHIT...........ALL OF IT.............JUST AN INDUSTRY OF LIES.............JAYS HAIR IS THE ONLY THING KEEPING ME HERE!!!
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And you have trained every single human being ever right ::)
Do you pull these numbers out your ass or what?
Heres some free advice for you as you obviously didnt do to well in school...DNA WE ARE NOT ALL OF THE SAME BLUE PRINT...meaning this numbers you spout out are bull shit.Sure you may have trained naturals to 5'11 165LB 6% but whos to say there arnt guys out there natural who can come in heavier with the same condition at that height..just cos you have shit genetics doesnt mean everyone else does..
WG Approved
what if i told you that on a car board right now sitting 2 fellas that getting evety information possible about you and your loved ones ,,would you think youre at risk? no right? because you never put any real information about you on the internet and you work from ip that is changable,,but guess what you made one single mistake and that mistake will lead us to you ,,
now you think gh15 is joking so i will desribe for you your death:
you will be friended by a person i wont tell youi who since then you wont befriend them,,real life no internet ,,that person will be your end ,,it will drug you on a command and you will never open yoru eyes again ,,and trust gh15 when it says you dont even have to drink ,,
i just wrote you here your death
the rest of the balonnie you wrote is not matter because you never looked like a bodybuilder its the dealing you have done and the cockiness in your activities that caused gh15 to make a decision about you
you will never know when it comes for you but it will,,a promise from gh15 to the person who write under the name will grant
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what if i told you that on a car board right now sitting 2 fellas that getting evety information possible about you and your loved ones ,,would you think youre at risk? no right? because you never put any real information about you on the internet and you work from ip that is changable,,but guess what you made one single mistake and that mistake will lead us to you ,,
now you think gh15 is joking so i will desribe for you your death:
you will be friended by a person i wont tell youi who since then you wont befriend them,,real life no internet ,,that person will be your end ,,it will drug you on a command and you will never open yoru eyes again ,,and trust gh15 when it says you dont even have to drink ,,
i just wrote you here your death
the rest of the balonnie you wrote is not matter because you never looked like a bodybuilder its the dealing you have done and the cockiness in your activities that caused gh15 to make a decision about you
you will never know when it comes for you but it will,,a promise from gh15 to the person who write under the name will grant
hahahahaha ok you skinny little gimmick. ;D
Post the name of the board , im on plenty and have met so many people through these boards..you cant cos you are full of shit ;D
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As much as I enjoy the gh15 entity I don't see this "Will Grant" assassination happening at all... he is just a kiddie on the internet. Nobody would bother paying 20-30k to off him.
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As much as I enjoy the gh15 entity I don't see this "Will Grant" assassination happening at all... he is just a kiddie on the internet. Nobody would bother paying 20-30k to off him.
you think im worth that much :D shit give me the money and ill do it my self
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you think im worth that much :D shit give me the money and ill do it my self
exactly...
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Nobody would bother paying 20-30k to off him.
do you think it would cost that much?
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first of all gh15 doesnt do shit ,,gh15 give command ,,it had nothing to do with entity on getbig or game playing on getbig,,gh15 approve action and it happens,,i just described something ,,now you count the time and see how long the will grant fella post here,,when he stop he is dead right? so you will know when it happens ,,you never prosecute at the time of verdict remember that ! always at a time when subject is not ready
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first of all gh15 doesnt do shit ,,gh15 give command ,,it had nothing to do with entity on getbig or game playing on getbig,,gh15 approve action and it happens,,i just described something ,,now you count the time and see how long the will grant fella post here,,when he stop he is dead right? so you will know when it happens ,,you never prosecute at the time of verdict remember that ! always at a time when subject is not ready
will you bring me up to speed? what did the guy do? I really dont know... i dont pay much attention around here.
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first of all gh15 doesnt do shit ,,gh15 give command ,,it had nothing to do with entity on getbig or game playing on getbig,,gh15 approve action and it happens,,i just described something ,,now you count the time and see how long the will grant fella post here,,when he stop he is dead right? so you will know when it happens ,,you never prosecute at the time of verdict remember that ! always at a time when subject is not ready
Im gona log off in a minute to do some wall papering , does that mean im dead lol..
Tell me more about this ip that is changable..Do I have to pay for that.
You know the police want you in England right you dirty kid fuker >:(
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now to the topic at hand and the post i made in regard to weights height for naturals,,
th enumbers are accurate ,,,it has nothing to do with genetics,,evey person has same genetics,,,if you have potential you will only see it as a phenominal respond to hormones happen ,,
you can have the so called best genetics in the world and be 155 pound cut black kid,,it dont make you competetive,,
its all drugs ,,bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS and ofcourse the reponse to those drugs and food,,
inaddition it is always easy to be fat and think you are big like will grant is at 100 kilograms,whcih he soon will correct to 107 kilogram because he made sure to drink 2 glasses of water and wear his clothes before going on the needle scale ,,,this is not big and not muscle,,
the number gh15 is giving are given to serious competitors truly naturals at real 6% that will grant and the such never ever seen in their life times,,now ...those same fellas later on on drugs go up to the 220 pounde zone wil grant is but they actually have it muscle with single digit body fat
and thats! the difference
gh15 approved
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This thread is getting interesting
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Im gona log off in a minute to do some wall papering , does that mean im dead lol..
Tell me more about this ip that is changable..Do I have to pay for that.
You know the police want you in England right you dirty kid fuker >:(
why does this guy want to whack you?
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Im gona log off in a minute to do some wall papering , does that mean im dead lol..
Tell me more about this ip that is changable..Do I have to pay for that.
You know the police want you in England right you dirty kid fuker >:(
by the way brian will die too ! you will see another one with gh15 approval
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its all drugs ,,bodybuilding is ALL DRUGS and ofcourse the reponse to those drugs and food,,
gh15 approved
yes.. some guys have a mediocre response to drugs. I myself respond well to a low dose of EQ :)
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inaddition it is always easy to be fat and think you are big like will grant is at 100 kilograms,whcih he soon will correct to 107 kilogram because he made sure to drink 2 glasses of water and wear his clothes before going on the needle scale ,,,this is not big and not muscle,,
lol..I weigh my self after first piss in the morning , when I bother.
When did I say I was "big" lol I know im bigger than you if that helps , but at my biggest 125kg i was carring to much fat and I felt it , out of breath etc
I stay between 105 - 112 now and yes am dieting to get to 100kg..
Why dont you post pics friend , like you do on your other account :D
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by the way brian will die too ! you will see another one with gh15 approval
Who ?
Who is Brian numb nuts
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hahhaha I find this whole gh15 calling will grant alin and a dealer thing fuccking hilarious
Will Grant is just a car loving bodybuilder from the country to the right of Australia... New Zealand. He is no harm to anyone... never has been...
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why does this guy want to whack you?
Because I called him a gimmick and have said nothing he has said isnt new , i read all about the stuff he talks about in the 90s lol and am friends with a real pro so have seen first hand 90 % of what they do..
gh15 is full of shit end of story.
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What is going on here?
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hahhaha I find this whole gh15 calling will grant alin and a dealer thing fuccking hilarious
Will Grant is just a car loving bodybuilder from the country to the right of Australia... New Zealand. He is no harm to anyone... never has been...
I love you to io :D
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lol..I weigh my self after first piss in the morning , when I bother.
When did I say I was "big" lol I know im bigger than you if that helps , but at my biggest 125kg i was carring to much fat and I felt it , out of breath etc
I stay between 105 - 112 now and yes am dieting to get to 100kg..
Why dont you post pics friend , like you do on your other account :D
the diff between you and me is that my pictures are in flex and muscle and fitness and few other magz on a regular basis years upon years of pics,,,the diff between you and me is that i won a pro card and compete at a weight you cant get to forget about the body fat levels,,
the diff betwen you and me is that im a be and you are a wanna be !
thats the differences,,
saying you are 105 kilograms and you want to be 100 kilogram is all nice and good but we both know that even at 100 kilo you will be fat ,,you cant be riped because like any amatuer you will need to be 90 kilogram to see any muscle showing in a good condition ,,when you see your muscle showing at 260 amd 7% then talk
gh15 approved
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Because I called him a gimmick and have said nothing he has said isnt new , i read all about the stuff he talks about in the 90s lol and am friends with a real pro so have seen first hand 90 % of what they do..
gh15 is full of shit end of story.
So you are saying you don't disagree with a lot of what gh15 has to say just that its old hat and nothing new... as in he is not a pro etc. etc?
Thats fair enough I suppose
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What is going on here?
Im on death watch ;D
Pity the exterminator cant leave his eastern euro shite hole or he will be arrested
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Im on death watch ;D
Pity the exterminator cant leave his eastern euro shite hole or he will be arrested
gh knows i'm going to NZ, so he asked me to kill you. :)
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and by the way,, we never say our secrets in real life to no one,,so that fella is not lieing for the million time on getbig but dont worry no picture of him needed to get to him
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If gh15 really disliked somebody on here he could easily create circumstances to ensure a controlled delivery for them at some time or another... I have no fuccking idea why DIVISION hasn't seen one yet
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division will be taken down,,so will will grant,, the worst thing is that he think gh15 is sevas frin romania ,,thats show how much no clue he got ,,
why dont youask ron avidan if gh15 is gimick or sevast ,,fella has no clue ,,gh15 never lie when it comes to bodybuilding and the people in the bodybuilding industry and that includes dealers
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the diff between you and me is that my pictures are in flex and muscle and fitness and few other magz on a regular basis years upon years of pics,,,the diff between you and me is that i won a pro card and compete at a weight you cant get to forget about the body fat levels,,
the diff betwen you and me is that im a be and you are a wanna be !
thats the differences,,
saying you are 105 kilograms and you want to be 100 kilogram is all nice and good but we both know that even at 100 kilo you will be fat ,,you cant be riped because like any amatuer you will need to be 90 kilogram to see any muscle showing in a good condition ,,when you see your muscle showing at 260 amd 7% then talk
gh15 approved
Ill be happy at 100kg and 10 %
Im not interested in bodybuilding competition any more , a genuine 10% is fukin lean in the real world..and enough for me..I dont use huge amounts of gear.a ml a week and once to twice a year ill cycle for short periods.Training and diet are more important to me than relying on drugs.
Again how can I or anyone else take you seriously when you say you have been in flex mag..Shit I could say im cint eastwood do you beleive me?
Now the advice you give ..look on any hardcore board and the ones you cant see in public ,,you should know of these if you are who you say you are and this very same info is sitting right in front of you..
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Can't we all just be friends?
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So you are saying you don't disagree with a lot of what gh15 has to say just that its old hat and nothing new... as in he is not a pro etc. etc?
Thats fair enough I suppose
Yup thats what I have said all along..The only beef I have with him is he is not a pro bodybuilder other than that what he says about gear is spot on..other things I disagree with him also but the main area is him being a "pro" he is not..
I asked him long ago to pm me and tell me who he is and id get in contact with said pro..after all if he is who he says he is he would be waiting for my contact right?
I would then come on here and say yes gh15 is a pro I and others were wrong..one of his biggest detractors saying yes he is 100% with out releasing his ID..but he wont do that cos he is not a pro.
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Again how can I or anyone else take you seriously when you say you have been in flex mag..Shit I could say im cint eastwood do you beleive me?
Its not really that "out there" to suggest somebody who has the extensive knowledge of gh15 has seen the cover of flex magazine.
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Can't we all just be friends?
:'(
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division will be taken down,,so will will grant,, the worst thing is that he think gh15 is sevas frin romania ,,thats show how much no clue he got ,,
why dont youask ron avidan if gh15 is gimick or sevast ,,fella has no clue ,,gh15 never lie when it comes to bodybuilding and the people in the bodybuilding industry and that includes dealers
Where did I say you were the kiddy fuka
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Ill be happy at 100kg and 10 %
Im not interested in bodybuilding competition any more , a genuine 10% is fukin lean in the real world..and enough for me..I dont use huge amounts of gear.a ml a week and once to twice a year ill cycle for short periods.Training and diet are more important to me than relying on drugs.
Again how can I or anyone else take you seriously when you say you have been in flex mag..Shit I could say im cint eastwood do you beleive me?
Now the advice you give ..look on any hardcore board and the ones you cant see in public ,,you should know of these if you are who you say you are and this very same info is sitting right in front of you..
wrong!
any infotmation is HANDS ON thats the beauty of gh15 HANDS ON professional experience that could have never be told in real life,,many have done polls before long before you came to this board ,,since you too came here for gh15 and only for gh15 ,,but many did polls and you will see that over 80% were absolut followers of gh15 ,,and every one who were actually bodybuilders and had experiencce with what it really takes approved and followed gh15 recomendations ,,,there are many many many pms written to gh15 by professionals go break into the gh15 account it is easy to do ask alex to do it ,,and you will see,,many professionals with questionsa
asian and americans and euros ,,gh15 chooses who he answer and not for risk factors and because gh15 himself is a professionals thus dont liek to help other professionals only amatuers especially on board
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Where did I say you were the kiddy fuka
you still alive will
thought you would have been capped by now ???
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:'(
This is all very sadenning........... :'(
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This is all very sadenning........... :'(
It is indeed. Feels like parents are fighting :'( I am deeply distraught :'(
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you still alive will
thought you would have been capped by now ???
Somthing just hit the side of the house...should I be worried :D
And I still dont know who Brian is ???
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It is indeed. Feels like parents are fighting :'( I am deeply distraught :'(
Makes me want to bring back "Team Love"...........but my efforts would be wasted. The love is gone.........gone forever. :'(
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quote author=WillGrant link=topic=274838.msg3878049#msg3878049 date=1239615005]
Yup thats what I have said all along..The only beef I have with him is he is not a pro bodybuilder other than that what he says about gear is spot on..other things I disagree with him also but the main area is him being a "pro" he is not..
I asked him long ago to pm me and tell me who he is and id get in contact with said pro..after all if he is who he says he is he would be waiting for my contact right?
I would then come on here and say yes gh15 is a pro I and others were wrong..one of his biggest detractors saying yes he is 100% with out releasing his ID..but he wont do that cos he is not a pro.
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i have some time today so ill play some with you fellas,,
your stupidity is too much to take,,,you tell gh15 to tell you who gh15 is ,,,then gh15 says it and you go to gh15 real life identity and ask me if im gh15 ...
will i say yes? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN MORON
you say gh15 is not professional yet ask around a little and youll get the exact opposite answer from the people who actually know!
so again
the offer was from gh15 to you not vise versa ,,you twist reality to what it fits for you ! gh15 offered you to reveal who you were in a picture so every one can see you are nothing and that in reality you are 15% 100 kilo like many gym rats that are just fat,,, then when you show it gh15 will tell everyone who it is with picture proof but no head only body and it will be enough
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Post up the pic!!
I want to know who gh15 is! >:(
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Makes me want to bring back "Team Love"...........but my efforts would be wasted. The love is gone.........gone forever. :'(
Some day there will be another team to arise from the ashes to carry the same morals and share the same ideals. We can only hope that day arrives soon
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quote author=WillGrant link=topic=274838.msg3878049#msg3878049 date=1239615005]
Yup thats what I have said all along..The only beef I have with him is he is not a pro bodybuilder other than that what he says about gear is spot on..other things I disagree with him also but the main area is him being a "pro" he is not..
I asked him long ago to pm me and tell me who he is and id get in contact with said pro..after all if he is who he says he is he would be waiting for my contact right?
I would then come on here and say yes gh15 is a pro I and others were wrong..one of his biggest detractors saying yes he is 100% with out releasing his ID..but he wont do that cos he is not a pro.
i have some time today so ill play some with you fellas,,
your stupidity is too much to take,,,you tell gh15 to tell you who gh15 is ,,,then gh15 says it and you go to gh15 real life identity and ask me if im gh15 ...
will i say yes? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN MORON
you say gh15 is not professional yet ask around a little and youll get the exact opposite answer from the people who actually know!
so again
the offer was from gh15 to you not vise versa ,,you twist reality to what it fits for you ! gh15 offered you to reveal who you were in a picture so every one can see you are nothing and that in reality you are 15% 100 kilo like many gym rats that are just fat,,, then when you show it gh15 will tell everyone who it is with picture proof but no head only body and it will be enough
gh15, is it just me or did you not meet getbigger Arnold JNR?
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Post up the pic!!
I want to know who gh15 is! >:(
x 2 it doesn't matter if you look like shit will grant you have got a free pass from us from the southern hemisphere
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quote author=WillGrant link=topic=274838.msg3878049#msg3878049 date=1239615005]
Yup thats what I have said all along..The only beef I have with him is he is not a pro bodybuilder other than that what he says about gear is spot on..other things I disagree with him also but the main area is him being a "pro" he is not..
I asked him long ago to pm me and tell me who he is and id get in contact with said pro..after all if he is who he says he is he would be waiting for my contact right?
I would then come on here and say yes gh15 is a pro I and others were wrong..one of his biggest detractors saying yes he is 100% with out releasing his ID..but he wont do that cos he is not a pro.
i have some time today so ill play some with you fellas,,
your stupidity is too much to take,,,you tell gh15 to tell you who gh15 is ,,,then gh15 says it and you go to gh15 real life identity and ask me if im gh15 ...
will i say yes? HELL NO YOU FUCKIN MORON
you say gh15 is not professional yet ask around a little and youll get the exact opposite answer from the people who actually know!
so again
the offer was from gh15 to you not vise versa ,,you twist reality to what it fits for you ! gh15 offered you to reveal who you were in a picture so every one can see you are nothing and that in reality you are 15% 100 kilo like many gym rats that are just fat,,, then when you show it gh15 will tell everyone who it is with picture proof but no head only body and it will be enough
I asked a real pro and he laughed and had never heard of you.
The offer is for you to proove who you are.
You are starting to sound more and like the kiddy fuka with every post..FP linked you to him long ago..threatening to kill someone on the internet would be somthing mr fingers would do.. :D
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I asked a real pro and he laughed and had never heard of you.
The offer is for you to proove who you are.
You are starting to sound more and like the kiddy fuka with every post..FP linked you to him long ago..threatening to kill someone on the internet would be somthing mr fingers would do.. :D
Seriously though, just post up a pic. No need to show your face. Come on man, thats easy.
I wanna know who he is!!
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x 2 it doesn't matter if you look like shit will grant you have got a free pass from us from the southern hemisphere
Il post a pic with a sign proving its me if gh15 does the same..level playing feild right there.. 8)
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Seriously though, just post up a pic. No need to show your face. Come on man, thats easy.
I wanna know who he is!!
HE IS NOT A PRO..
There you go. :)
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Seriously though, just post up a pic. No need to show your face. Come on man, thats easy.
I wanna know who he is!!
mark my words ,,he will NEVER EVER DO IT,,why? because he is a dealer ,,because gh15 people are afrer him and because of the emberasment of how bad he looks,,because not every 100 kilo looks good,,,to look good at 100 kilo yu otruly need ot be high singles but this fella is as i say here and never mistaken
220 and somewhere around 15-20% and on hormones,,i also bet a house on the fact his arms are more liek alex as in actual mesure 17 inches and nothing more,,,it is very common with that type of warrikors and dealers
and again the romanian fella and me have no connection beside the fact that he put you to shame every time he write something to you because he is witty ,,but i dont like either of you ,,infact i dont like any one beside the donky fella on this board and only because he can take a joke ,,rest of you are buyers for me
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Everyone post pics!!
Who gives a shit?!
I did and i look like shit!!
Do it!!
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I asked a real pro and he laughed and had never heard of you.
The offer is for you to proove who you are.
You are starting to sound more and like the kiddy fuka with every post..FP linked you to him long ago..threatening to kill someone on the internet would be somthing mr fingers would do.. :D
Haha gh15 is the god of bullshit - he is never wrong, he poured millions of $$$ into McCain's campaign, he knows about aliens in Niburu etc etc
BUT
He can't post a pic to show that he really is a pro as he says he is, which proves that 1) He most likely is a fraud and 2) He is not as good as he says cause he never won the Mr Olympia, which is what he should have done if he's as great as he says he is.
Dollars to donuts that the guys who have really achieved stuff in bodybuilding, like Dorian Yates for example, will never be so cocky, even though they have so much more to brag about and know a lot more than this gas bag whose only "proof" of being omniscient and infallible is his mere claiming of the same and that too, under an anonymous account in a free online forum.
GH, you may know what you are talking about when it comes to steroids and all that crap, but that doesn't mean you know everything about everything else too. Stop threatening people on the internet cause it makes you look really stupid.
Your pal.
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mark my words ,,he will NEVER EVER DO IT,,why? because he is a dealer ,,because gh15 people are afrer him and because of the emberasment of how bad he looks,,because not every 100 kilo looks good,,,to look good at 100 kilo yu otruly need ot be high singles but this fella is as i say here and never mistaken
220 and somewhere around 15-20% and on hormones,,i also bet a house on the fact his arms are more liek alex as in actual mesure 17 inches and nothing more,,,it is very common with that type of warrikors and dealers
and again the romanian fella and me have no connection beside the fact that he put you to shame every time he write something to you because he is witty ,,but i dont like either of you ,,infact i dont like any one beside the donky fella on this board and only because he can take a joke ,,rest of you are buyers for me
:( Well, thanks :'(
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:( Well, thanks :'(
Yes that bit saddened me. :'(
I like you gh15.......and as a young man i read all your info and will use it in due time.
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Haha gh15 is the god of bullshit - he is never wrong, he poured millions of $$$ into McCain's campaign, he knows about aliens in Niburu etc etc
BUT
He can't post a pic to show that he really is a pro as he says he is, which proves that 1) He most likely is a fraud and 2) He is not as good as he says cause he never won the Mr Olympia, which is what he should have done if he's as great as he says he is.
Dollars to donuts that the guys who have really achieved stuff in bodybuilding, like Dorian Yates for example, will never be so cocky, even though they have so much more to brag about and know a lot more than this gas bag whose only "proof" of being omniscient and infallible is that his mere claiming of the same and that too, under an anonymous account in a free online forum.
GH, you may know what you are talking about when it comes to steroids and all that crap, but that doesn't mean you know everything about everything else too. Stop threatening people on the internet cause it makes you look really stupid.
Your pal.
QFT 8)
ps dont slip any pills in my drink kiwi :D
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Yes that bit saddened me. :'(
I like you gh15.......and as a young man i read all your info and will use it in due time.
In the same boat myself
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In the same boat myself
We are the future of bb'ing........ 8) ;D
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Haha gh15 is the god of bullshit - he is never wrong, he poured millions of $$$ into McCain's campaign, he knows about aliens in Niburu etc etc
BUT
He can't post a pic to show that he really is a pro as he says he is, which proves that 1) He most likely is a fraud and 2) He is not as good as he says cause he never won the Mr Olympia, which is what he should have done if he's as great as he says he is.
Dollars to donuts that the guys who have really achieved stuff in bodybuilding, like Dorian Yates for example, will never be so cocky, even though they have so much more to brag about and know a lot more than this gas bag whose only "proof" of being omniscient and infallible is his mere claiming of the same and that too, under an anonymous account in a free online forum.
GH, you may know what you are talking about when it comes to steroids and all that crap, but that doesn't mean you know everything about everything else too. Stop threatening people on the internet cause it makes you look really stupid.
Your pal.
i didnt win o because the ifbb dont like none american since the mid 90s dorian was just better than me simple as that and also im pretty proud of my placings
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If gh15 really disliked somebody on here he could easily create circumstances to ensure a controlled delivery for them at some time or another... I have no fuccking idea why DIVISION hasn't seen one yet
Tell me about it. First they start out very rude and pound on your door, and then they have to get all dramatic and point mp5's in your face and push you on your knees and cuff you. Then the part I really hate is they just totally thrash you place. I mean, I still haven't finished cleaning up and they still have one of my drawers. I have to put my socks and TapOut shirts on top of the dresser. Oh, then there's that kind of awkward part where they walk you to the patrol car as they haul you away to the station. All your neighbors are looking at you with their jaws open. I know they were thinking, "It's always the quiet keep to themselves ones." And of course the creepy moments when they see you get in your car or check the mail or take out the trash. That nervous smile they give you and the passive "please don't kill me" wave of the hand.
Controlled deliveries are a royal bummer. I'll never say anything bad about Sandra or Euro. Oh, and don't ignore seizure letters. I think LE will give you a lot of slack if you're not a dealer just don't spit in their face.
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i didnt win o because the ifbb dont like none american since the mid 90s dorian was just better than me simple as that and also im pretty proud of my placings
lol
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We are the future of bb'ing........ 8) ;D
You can do bbing and I'll do strongman ;D
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You can do bbing and I'll do strongman ;D
Sounds good...... 8)
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Tell me about it. First they start out very rude and pound on your door, and then they have to get all dramatic and point mp5's in your face and push you on your knees and cuff you. Then the part I really hate is they just totally thrash you place. I mean, I still haven't finished cleaning up and they still have one of my drawers. I have to put my socks and TapOut shirts on top of the dresser. Oh, then there's that kind of awkward part where they walk you to the patrol car as they haul you away to the station. All your neighbors are looking at you with their jaws open. I know they were thinking, "It's always the quiet keep to themselves ones." And of course the creepy moments when they see you get in your car or check the mail or take out the trash. That nervous smile they give you and the passive "please don't kill me" wave of the hand.
Controlled deliveries are a royal bummer. I'll never say anything bad about Sandra or Euro. Oh, and don't ignore seizure letters. I think LE will give you a lot of slack if you're not a dealer just don't spit in their face.
in one word i can make itr happen to any one i want ,,will grant know im a narc and he still talk his mouth ,,he knows i brought down gym ace and still talk his mouth ,,he knows lisa black kid is to this day at risk and he still talk his mouth,,,
he is aussie so he says..... then lisa kis is close to him....
if he had any clue he would be shaking balls and he should! because remember verdict is verdict i gave it here,,,execution is somethign totally diff and come in time where you least expect friend
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gh knows i'm going to NZ, so he asked me to kill you. :)
So what's the going rate these days on whacking someone? I don't mean a major politic figure or anyone powerful or famous. Just your average Joe that needs a dirt nap? And can you get that in Red Tops?
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Sounds good...... 8)
Sweet, I'll see you at the Arnold in a few years time then 8)
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So what's the going rate these days on whacking someone? I don't mean a major politic figure or anyone powerful or famous. Just your average Joe that needs a dirt nap? And can you get that in Red Tops?
You can make an ok living. You can get paid in whatever you want........
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Tell me about it. First they start out very rude and pound on your door, and then they have to get all dramatic and point mp5's in your face and push you on your knees and cuff you. Then the part I really hate is they just totally thrash you place. I mean, I still haven't finished cleaning up and they still have one of my drawers. I have to put my socks and TapOut shirts on top of the dresser. Oh, then there's that kind of awkward part where they walk you to the patrol car as they haul you away to the station. All your neighbors are looking at you with their jaws open. I know they were thinking, "It's always the quiet keep to themselves ones." And of course the creepy moments when they see you get in your car or check the mail or take out the trash. That nervous smile they give you and the passive "please don't kill me" wave of the hand.
Controlled deliveries are a royal bummer. I'll never say anything bad about Sandra or Euro. Oh, and don't ignore seizure letters. I think LE will give you a lot of slack if you're not a dealer just don't spit in their face.
I think your unregistered firearms had something to do with this also
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in one word i can make itr happen to any one i want ,,will grant know im a narc and he still talk his mouth ,,he knows i brought down gym ace and still talk his mouth ,,he knows lisa black kid is to this day at risk and he still talk his mouth,,,
he is aussie so he says..... then lisa kis is close to him....
if he had any clue he would be shaking balls and he should! because remember verdict is verdict i gave it here,,,execution is somethign totally diff and come in time where you least expect friend
now he is going to say new zeland.. in any case trust me he is marked
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in one word i can make itr happen to any one i want ,,will grant know im a narc and he still talk his mouth ,,he knows i brought down gym ace and still talk his mouth ,,he knows lisa black kid is to this day at risk and he still talk his mouth,,,
he is aussie so he says..... then lisa kis is close to him....
if he had any clue he would be shaking balls and he should! because remember verdict is verdict i gave it here,,,execution is somethign totally diff and come in time where you least expect friend
Lisa black kid? WTF lol
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Sweet, I'll see you at the Arnold in a few years time then 8)
Yep, i'll be the one oiled up in a thong........ :)
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Hey gh15,
Is there anything good happening for us Aussies behind the scenes?
Who is Lisa black kid?
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now he is going to say new zeland.. in any case trust me he is marked
Ok Im in germany like you friend
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Hey gh15,
Is there anything good happening for us Aussies behind the scenes?
Who is Lisa black kid?
I still dont know who brian is ;D
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You have to eat food like Dennis Wolf's wife.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=274968.0;attach=314629;image)
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gh15 itaelf broght down the whole steroid super board! now will grant was a member there ,,,he is quiet about it but he has,,,
will grant should be quiet and silent he should not hav emade a peep,,,why? becaue will grant is at such a high risk that him sitting behind computer wont protect him no more,,,he doesnt get it ,,rigt will grant ? you think this is sevaster playing on the other side with you even though after reading each and every gh15 post any sane person can tell gh15 knows his bodybuilding and DRUGS ,,
have you ever met don corleone will grant? no right? its a movie,,,well this time you also wont meet it ,,but you wil feel it ,,you will
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gh15 itaelf broght down the whole steroid super board! now will grant was a member there ,,,he is quiet about it but he has,,,
will grant should be quiet and silent he should not hav emade a peep,,,why? becaue will grant is at such a high risk that him sitting behind computer wont protect him no more,,,he doesnt get it ,,rigt will grant ? you think this is sevaster playing on the other side with you even though after reading each and every gh15 post any sane person can tell gh15 knows his bodybuilding and DRUGS ,,
have you ever met don corleone will grant? no right? its a movie,,,well this time you also wont meet it ,,but you wil feel it ,,you will
What super board?
No I dont get it , you have lost me..
I agree you do know bodybuilding and drugs..I have always agreed with you there I just dont under stand why you wont prove who you claim to be..is it really that hard for you?
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You can make an ok living. You can get paid in whatever you want........
Sweet. And you get to make your own hours. BTW, why is everybody up so late? I mean, it's pass midnight here in Hawaii so it's got to be like at least 3:00 am in LA.
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Sweet. And you get to make your own hours. BTW, why is everybody up so late? I mean, it's pass midnight here in Hawaii so it's got to be like at least 3:00 am in LA.
8:15pm here in Australia.
Not all getbiggers are yanks....... ;)
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I think your unregistered firearms had something to do with this also
You always have to bring that up. Guns and drugs, guns and drugs -- LE always has to make a big deal about assault weapons and illegal drugs. I'm just getting ready for the revolution resistance and race wars and stuff. It's not like we're going to be here forever. gh15 is right about generation nothingness. We've seen out better days.
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I still dont know who brian is ;D
It's Division. And someone should save this thread. Ron gives us a lot of leeway but he hates it when the killing starts.
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I'm standing out the front of wills house.......
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8:15pm here in Australia.
Not all getbiggers are yanks....... ;)
You got me. We're such a self absorbed country. Everything begins and ends with USA. Say hi to Basile for me. Just say I'm part of the the GB flotsam.
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You got me. We're such a self absorbed country. Everything begins and ends with USA. Say hi to Basile for me. Just say I'm part of the the GB flotsam.
I generally avoid funeral homes.......
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I'm standing out the front of wills house.......
Ask him where's my shiit. It's been two years already. How long does it take to send a couple of vials of enanthate and 500 anabols for chrissakes!
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It's Division. And someone should save this thread. Ron gives us a lot of leeway but he hates it when the killing starts.
LOL thanks for clearing that up..I think :-\
Any way I sent a PM to gh15 saying im getting bored of the arguing etc etc
Its all getting rather tiring , I obviously upset him , but hey this is GB after all ..its all about winding each other up.
But if I have upset him then Im sorry. :)
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Ask him where's my shiit. It's been two years already. How long does it take to send a couple of vials of enanthate and 500 anabols for chrissakes!
remember when gh15 said "phreezer" dismissed you :D
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Ask him where's my shiit. It's been two years already. How long does it take to send a couple of vials of enanthate and 500 anabols for chrissakes!
Slow post through nepal..be patient my friend ;D
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I'm going to hit the sack already. I feeling pathetic enough sitting here by myself in my little hovel tapping on my lap top.
But I think peeps should play it safe and not piss off gh15. Why bother? He gives good roid advice and keeps us current of what's going on in the game. If you don't like it just ignore it. Most people hang on his every word. But that being said, I wouldn't mind too much if he whacked me. I mean, I'd get over it and wouldn't hold a grudge being dead and all. Shoots, I'd do it myself but the pigs got my gat. I was thinking that if I go on a keto diet for a few days and then fast for a day, to make sure my glycogen stores are depleted, and then rent a room for the weekend and shoot a vial of humalog in me, that's 1000 ius, right? And if I did that on a Friday and I'm not found until say Monday morning that ought to do the trick, right? Seems pretty clean and peaceful and I'll leave the ac on so I don't stink and since I fasted I won't crap in my pants or anything. A vial of humalog should be enough, right? Or should I do two vials just to be safe. I just don't want to be a vegetable or be in a coma for years. I lose muscle mass real quick.
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remember when gh15 said "phreezer" dismissed you :D
Right, I finally figured out who he is. He's on OLM. Good guy really. It's just that it was sources from his board that got me popped. It was either O or Z. I forget already. Doesn't matter. Could have been anybody. Really nobody there at fault and I wasn't blaming anyone. It was just a warning not to be stupid and careless. LE doesn't really want to bother with personal users but if you are super careless and spit in their face they'll come for you.
Anyway, no one believed me and thought I just decided to make it up out of the blue. Thread got deleted and my name disgraced.
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Slow post through nepal..be patient my friend ;D
I figured as much. I heard it gets cold there. And remember, no ug crap.
I only want cherry hg gear.
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I'm going to hit the sack already. I feeling pathetic enough sitting here by myself in my little hovel tapping on my lap top.
But I think peeps should play it safe and not piss off gh15. Why bother? He gives good roid advice and keeps us current of what's going on in the game. If you don't like it just ignore it. Most people hang on his every word. But that being said, I wouldn't mind too much if he whacked me. I mean, I'd get over it and wouldn't hold a grudge being dead and all. Shoots, I'd do it myself but the pigs got my gat. I was thinking that if I go on a keto diet for a few days and then fast for a day, to make sure my glycogen stores are depleted, and then rent a room for the weekend and shoot a vial of humalog in me, that's 1000 ius, right? And if I did that on a Friday and I'm not found until say Monday morning that ought to do the trick, right? Seems pretty clean and peaceful and I'll leave the ac on so I don't stink and since I fasted I won't crap in my pants or anything. A vial of humalog should be enough, right? Or should I do two vials just to be safe. I just don't want to be a vegetable or be in a coma for years. I lose muscle mass real quick.
you sound depressed.
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I have been using supplements for 3 years now with proper diet, training and rest program. I converted from being 5"8 200Ibs@ 60% percent body fat (I was fat lool) to 165Ibs@5-6 body fat. However I am not sure if the supplements helped with my transformation or not since I have been doing:
1- 2 hours training 4 times a week
2- Eating 5 to 6 solid meal a day
3- Sleep at least 8 hours a day
4- Taking Protein powder, BCAA, Glutamine, Creatin, Multivitamin and fish oil mainly
Moreover, now I take only BCAA, Glutamine, Multivitamin, ZMA, and fish oil. And I intended to not buying any supplements once finishing what I have now.
I am happy about how I look naturally and I want to save money ;D
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5"8 200Ibs@ 60% percent body fat
lol
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lol
x2
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he went from a chubby twink.. to a beanpole. thanks to supplements.
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he went from a chubby twink.. to a beanpole. thanks to supplements.
Just a slight exaggeration on the BF % though..... ;D
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Just a slight exaggeration on the BF % though..... ;D
maybe he is the greatest natural bodybuilder on Earth?
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I have been using supplements for 3 years now with proper diet, training and rest program. I converted from being 5"8 200Ibs@ 60% percent body fat (I was fat lool) to 165Ibs@5-6 body fat. However I am not sure if the supplements helped with my transformation or not since I have been doing:
1- 2 hours training 4 times a week
2- Eating 5 to 6 solid meal a day
3- Sleep at least 8 hours a day
4- Taking Protein powder, BCAA, Glutamine, Creatin, Multivitamin and fish oil mainly
Moreover, now I take only BCAA, Glutamine, Multivitamin, ZMA, and fish oil. And I intended to not buying any supplements once finishing what I have now.
I am happy about how I look naturally and I want to save money ;D
Alnuttsack where do you plan on getting your protein from?
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maybe he is the greatest natural bodybuilder on Earth?
I'm talking about the 60% bf.......
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I'm talking about the 60% bf.......
yes!
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I have been using supplements for 3 years now with proper diet, training and rest program. I converted from being 5"8 200Ibs@ 60% percent body fat (I was fat lool) to 165Ibs@5-6 body fat. However I am not sure if the supplements helped with my transformation or not since I have been doing:
1- 2 hours training 4 times a week
2- Eating 5 to 6 solid meal a day
3- Sleep at least 8 hours a day
4- Taking Protein powder, BCAA, Glutamine, Creatin, Multivitamin and fish oil mainly
Moreover, now I take only BCAA, Glutamine, Multivitamin, ZMA, and fish oil. And I intended to not buying any supplements once finishing what I have now.
I am happy about how I look naturally and I want to save money ;D
you look good but nowhere near 5-6%
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I have been using supplements for 3 years now with proper diet, training and rest program. I converted from being 5"8 200Ibs@ 60% percent body fat (I was fat lool) to 165Ibs@5-6 body fat. However I am not sure if the supplements helped with my transformation or not since I have been doing:
1- 2 hours training 4 times a week
2- Eating 5 to 6 solid meal a day
3- Sleep at least 8 hours a day
4- Taking Protein powder, BCAA, Glutamine, Creatin, Multivitamin and fish oil mainly
Moreover, now I take only BCAA, Glutamine, Multivitamin, ZMA, and fish oil. And I intended to not buying any supplements once finishing what I have now.
I am happy about how I look naturally and I want to save money ;D
1. I have never gotten 8 hours sleep in my life
2. Glutamine...lol..right
3. What is a sold meal to you where you can have 5-6 of those?
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Well, I have to say that according to my own experience, Muscletech's Celltech is good. I have seen result with this creatine as advertised, but I don't know about their other Products. in part, Most supplements don't deliver according to their claims. If I were to start a new supps company, I would use every lies, Gimmicks to convince the Masses to buy it. Marketting anyone?.... :)
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Save your money and spend it on real food and steroids (if you want to use them). That's all that works. Protein powder is a supplement (i.e. it's not necessary) that you use in case you're on the run and can't get in all your meals. To hell with this "industry" founded on lies, snake oil, and exploitation of the naive and fleecing the gullible.
The only purpose of most "supplements" is to enrich the snake oil peddlers and marginally increase prize money at bodybuilding shows.
End of thread.
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I was thinking that if I go on a keto diet for a few days and then fast for a day, to make sure my glycogen stores are depleted, and then rent a room for the weekend and shoot a vial of humalog in me, that's 1000 ius, right? And if I did that on a Friday and I'm not found until say Monday morning that ought to do the trick, right? Seems pretty clean and peaceful and I'll leave the ac on so I don't stink and since I fasted I won't crap in my pants or anything. A vial of humalog should be enough, right? Or should I do two vials just to be safe. I just don't want to be a vegetable or be in a coma for years. I lose muscle mass real quick.
An acquaintance of mine did this. Tried to kill himself by shooting a whole vial insulin. Woke up on the floor, carpet was wet, drenched in sweat. That's what he said anyway and I wouldn't question a confession like that, felt inappropriate.
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It's all snake oil. The slick pictures with drug using bodybuilders claiming the supplement made them is ridiculous. The before and afters should read off steroids and on. The clinical studies are a complete fraud paid for by the supplement companies. Do you really believe what a unknown lab in Bulgaria has to say about the junk your buying.
Spend your money on food from the super market. A can of tuna, chicken or super lean beef is better than any protein powder when comparing cost. Take vitamins for good health but don't think it's going to be anabolic. Creatine does work but what are the long term effects? The studies I have read are not convincing in their methods.
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1. I have never gotten 8 hours sleep in my life
2. Glutamine...lol..right
3. What is a sold meal to you where you can have 5-6 of those?
8 hours of sleep? WTF is that? ???
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99% of them don't work false promises, all aspartame unhealty crap inside, no real research,, you wont gain anything from it , Companys gain tons of cash because dumb people fall in their false promise tricks.
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Supplements work, whenever I take 6 grams yohimbine HCL I feel cold and get chills. Hows that for results.
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raw milk ;D
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I dont know if this is true or not.
But a while ago a member here who had some arguements with gh15, posted something about him (gh15) and the next day or so someone broke into his house and left something threatening. He told it to me via pm.
he also told me that gh15 knew who he was in real life, where he lived etc
again, i dont know if its bs or not.
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i didnt win o because the ifbb dont like none american since the mid 90s dorian was just better than me simple as that and also im pretty proud of my placings
Why are you worried about Dorian Yates? Didn’t you once imply that you might be a top-10 MS. OLYMPIA competitor?
Posted by gh15, November 5, 2007, 02:59:32 PM (response to poster, "tommywishbone", from the thread, "Could The Great Yan be gh15?")
you claim im a hormone dealer? prove it
you claim im a professional or not? prove it
you claim im a fisherman? prove it
you claim im a male and not female? prove it
Yep!!! Those mean IFBB guys must really loathe the likes of Silvio Samuel, Dennis Wolf, James “Flex” Lewis, and they hate Moe El Mousawwi so much that he graces the covers of both FLEX and IronMan this month.
You have a better chance of spelling Olympia correctly than you do of actually competing in one, much less making the top 6, unless (as I told you last year) the other 5 have Down's Syndrome and are paraplegics.
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I dont know if this is true or not.
But a while ago a member here who had some arguements with gh15, posted something about him (gh15) and the next day or so someone broke into his house and left something threatening. He told it to me via pm.
he also told me that gh15 knew who he was in real life, where he lived etc
again, i dont know if its bs or not.
What member?
With all the gimmicks here, it could have been gh15, and having the back story to say someone really did break into his house, makes gh15 more feared when he goes off on his ramblings.
If it was a member of ill-repute, it was probably just bullshit.
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What member?
With all the gimmicks here, it could have been gh15, and having the back story to say someone really did break into his house, makes gh15 more feared when he goes off on his ramblings.
If it was a member of ill-repute, it was probably just bullshit.
Well, I'm not trying to imply anything but lets just say that I once started a thread that was rather derogatory to a certain member on this board who seems to be well versed in hormones and likes sushee,,,chineeze,,,jmacan and owns spain. I'm not mentioning any names -- just saying. Well, the next day I found a naked picture of Sevaste on my pillow with him puckering his lips and the caption: Thers moore will thiis caame form you infantile!"
Lets just say I couldn't sleep for weeks and when I did, at least twice during the night, I'd break out in a cold sweat screaming for my mommy. Also, I want to go on record that I love superwoman and euroman and would inject their poop before I'd even look at ug.
Again -- just saying.
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you sound depressed.
Actually, I was just fishing for a hug from you. It's the pic of your back that does it for me.
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An acquaintance of mine did this. Tried to kill himself by shooting a whole vial insulin. Woke up on the floor, carpet was wet, drenched in sweat. That's what he said anyway and I wouldn't question a confession like that, felt inappropriate.
Yah, but did he go on a keto diet and fast to deplete glycogen stores? Everyone knows that after you pass out your body taps the liver's glycogen store. Of course, I was think about sitting in a bathtub with jelly fish and get the crap stung out of me like Will Smith did in that movie 7 pounds or something like that. If you're interested I'll give you my liver. I figure it's pretty plumped and pink because I rarely did orals and don't drink. And I still do all that Liv52 and milk thistle stuff just because I'm a caring person.
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look..supplements are mostly garbage....they really do not work....usually the digestive systen destroys anything of value that supplements contain....
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look..supplements are mostly garbage....they really do not work....usually the digestive systen destroys anything of value that supplements contain....
This coming from the same guy who once sang the praises of both CELL-TECH and Size-On?
???
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aal pills over the counter are crap fakeeeeeeee nothing else works but steriods protien powders are good but pills are for want to be s if you say on here well i took blah blah blah and it worked for me you are a queer idiot it doesnt work dahhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D
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aal pills over the counter are crap fakeeeeeeee nothing else works but steriods protien powders are good but pills are for want to be s if you say on here well i took blah blah blah and it worked for me you are a queer idiot it doesnt work dahhhhhhhhhhhhh ;D
theres alot of over the counter steroids that work quite well.
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There seems to be all almost universal positive response to the tren product that is out. I think there's two of them, tren extreme and something else. One of them seems to be effective. I've seen it with my own eyes on seasoned trainers that put on some significant size and strength on this prohormone. I heard it's going to be on the ban list.
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There seems to be all almost universal positive response to the tren product that is out. I think there's two of them, tren extreme and something else. One of them seems to be effective. I've seen it with my own eyes on seasoned trainers that put on some significant size and strength on this prohormone. I heard it's going to be on the ban list.
its not a prohomrone. its a steroid. absolute 100% legit steroid. better than alot of the illegal steroids like winstrol and anavar. all of the "tren" products will be eeffective, as long as they contain 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3, 17 dione...which is the steroid. several contain this steroid. if i recall correctly it is on the banned list as of last june
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everything i've ever taken from maximus mass stack to results to the new novus bars from atlarge nutrition has delivered on every account... love the stuff
steak ain't bad either! ;D
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GH15 sounds more and more like Nasser everyday.
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friends,,
i prepared 100s of guys and girls for shows,,TRUE BATURALS THAT COULDNT DO HORMONES BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL AFRAID ,,I PREPARED SO MANY AND ITS ALWAYS THE SAME
GUYS ARE 5'11 GO ON STAGE 165LB AT 6% NATURALLY ,,ALWAYS THE SAME NEVER BEEN ANY OTHER WAY ,,THAT INCLUDES MANY GUYS WITH THE POTENTIAL OF BECOMING PROFESSIONALS AND SOME INDEED TURN PROS
THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS NATURAL GO ON STAGE AT:
5'11 165LB 6% IF VERY GOOD GENETIC SKIN TONE LIKE ASIAN MAYBE 5%
5'9 GO ON STAGE NATURAL 155-160 AT 5-6%
5'7 GO ON STAGE NATURALLY 150-155 AT 5-6%
TRUST ME ON THAT ANYTHING OVER THIS IS NOT NATURAL AT THAT BODY FAT %
SO ...WHEN YOU SEE A FELLA LIKE GETNY TELLIN YOU HE IS 250 BEFORE HE HORMONIZE,,YOU GOTTA ASK YOURSELF THIS : DOES ANYTHING HE SELL GARBAGE? THE ANSWER IS
ABSOLUTELY YES
gh15 approved
what's a "batural"?
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This coming from the same guy who once sang the praises of both CELL-TECH and Size-On?
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I was a first-timer when I took those,..but since then..........NOTHING
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I was a first-timer when I took those,..but since then..........NOTHING
CELL-TECH and Size-On are creatine supplements. So how can you be a "first-timer" if you've used both of them?
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come on..you know supps are mostly garbage..you must have a well-invested nestegg with a supp company..you are becoming a shill for them
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come on..you know supps are mostly garbage..you must have a well-invested nestegg with a supp company..you are becoming a shill for them
If that were the case, why would I be posting (as I've done for YEARS) about getting supplements dirt-cheap, when GNC marks them down for clearance?
Besides, YOU are the one who was singing the praises of CELL-TECH and Size-On. In other words, "you know supps are mostly garbage".....YET YOU KEEP BUYING THEM!!!
I use them, because they help me achieve my personal goals, as far as weight training and bodybuilding are concerned. I don't expect them to turn me into Mr. Universe in two months; nor, do I expect them to overcompensate for a lousy diet or training ethics (two items that you have gone on record as saying have been a problem for you).
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If that were the case, why would I be posting (as I've done for YEARS) about getting supplements dirt-cheap, when GNC marks them down for clearance?
Besides, YOU are the one who was singing the praises of CELL-TECH and Size-On. In other words, "you know supps are mostly garbage".....YET YOU KEEP BUYING THEM!!!
I use them, because they help me achieve my personal goals, as far as weight training and bodybuilding are concerned. I don't expect them to turn me into Mr. Universe in two months; nor, do I expect them to overcompensate for a lousy diet or training ethics (two items that you have gone on record as saying have been a problem for you).
and you mean to tell me you are still responding to creatine after all these years of use?
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supplements will only supplement an already good diet.
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gh15 itaelf broght down the whole steroid super board! now will grant was a member there ,,,he is quiet about it but he has,,,
will grant should be quiet and silent he should not hav emade a peep,,,why? becaue will grant is at such a high risk that him sitting behind computer wont protect him no more,,,he doesnt get it ,,rigt will grant ? you think this is sevaster playing on the other side with you even though after reading each and every gh15 post any sane person can tell gh15 knows his bodybuilding and DRUGS ,,
have you ever met don corleone will grant? no right? its a movie,,,well this time you also wont meet it ,,but you wil feel it ,,you will
classic Nasser ----> twisted, bitter, resentful and threatening two bit nobodies on a forum