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opinion please.
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opinion please.
tbol is best less water retention than dbol and anadrol is murder on the liver
P.S. WE HAVE A STERIOD BOARD FOR THESE QUESTIONS ;D
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tbol is best less water retention than dbol and anadrol is murder on the liver
P.S. WE HAVE A STERIOD BOARD FOR THESE QUESTIONS ;D
GH15 doesn't post on that board. He explicitly stated this fact. So the G&O is the only place he'll post for us.
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GH15 has said in the past dianabol, but Anadrol is a close 2nd.
I prefer THE DROL. There is nothing more powerful than a couple
of Anadrol a day with some test. You're looking at 20-30 pounds of
muscle and 10 pds of water.
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what's better the month before a show
Anadrol or Halotestin ?
SPEAK ON THIS FAST !!!
;D
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he has said tha dbol is better off season and drol is better pre cont due to appitite suppressing qualities and it keeps you full.
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he has said tha dbol is better off season and drol is better pre cont due to appitite suppressing qualities and it keeps you full.
there you go! good pupil
dianabol is second to none,,in any case both anadrol dianabol and ofcourse testosterone,,,the moment you go on them you will have to use diuretic inorder to truely get down to 4-6%,,the moment you go on thsoe hormones your water retention will never be the same and you will always hold water thus the need of diuretic is a must at the end of cutting process if step on stage and to be honest even if not,,
any one who tell you they go on stage with no use of diuretic lies to you
no diuretic = no 4-5% and in most cases not even 6% for hormonized bodybuilders
gh15 approved
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That's exactly why I'll never use. it's not even for health purposes. It just gives me an fuckin' headache to think that you have to spend time figuring if Dbol is better than Xbol or whatever and you have to add diurectics and halo, etc... to get proper results. Fuck it. At the end of the day you pop more pills or get more shots than an AIDS victim in his last stage.
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there you go! good pupil
dianabol is second to none,,in any case both anadrol dianabol and ofcourse testosterone,,,the moment you go on them you will have to use diuretic inorder to truely get down to 4-6%,,the moment you go on thsoe hormones your water retention will never be the same and you will always hold water thus the need of diuretic is a must at the end of cutting process if step on stage and to be honest even if not,,
any one who tell you they go on stage with no use of diuretic lies to you
no diuretic = no 4-5% and in most cases not even 6% for hormonized bodybuilders
gh15 approved
gh15 i have a few weeks i take 30mg of naposims, legit. of course with test..... good gains but my appettite is like SHIT lately.....why is that?
do stimulants affect it?
oh and are you in FIBO? :)
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there you go! good pupil
dianabol is second to none,,in any case both anadrol dianabol and ofcourse testosterone,,,the moment you go on them you will have to use diuretic inorder to truely get down to 4-6%,,the moment you go on thsoe hormones your water retention will never be the same and you will always hold water thus the need of diuretic is a must at the end of cutting process if step on stage and to be honest even if not,,
any one who tell you they go on stage with no use of diuretic lies to you
no diuretic = no 4-5% and in most cases not even 6% for hormonized bodybuilders
gh15 approved
go fuck yourself fella,,, god of hormones is a joke,,, you guys keep asking him for info,, keep the fool going,, nice
delta9mda not approved
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gh15 i have a few weeks i take 30mg of naposims, legit. of course with test..... good gains but my appettite is like SHIT lately.....why is that?
do stimulants affect it?
oh and are you in FIBO? :)
ephedrine mess your appetite if taken at too high doses ,,if the naposim is legit then you should be hungry every 2 horus
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go fuck yourself fella,,, god of hormones is a joke,,, you guys keep asking him for info,, keep the fool going,, nice
delta9mda not approved
blasphemy. stop insulting our God. >:(
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go fuck yourself fella,,, god of hormones is a joke,,, you guys keep asking him for info,, keep the fool going,, nice
delta9mda not approved
lasty time i saw a picture of you you were 5'9 165lb ,,kind of sad you cant protect lisa's black kid,,send jtp my regards and tell him if he make one wrong move he is gonna lose a lot more than freedom
gh15 approved
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ephedrine mess your appetite if taken at too high doses ,,if the naposim is legit then you should be hungry every 2 horus
yes, i take ephedrine.
thanks god/..
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no diuretic = no 4-5% and in most cases not even 6% for hormonized bodybuilders
How on earth do you equate water retention with the inability to reach a certain body fat percentage? There's absolutely no correlation. Also, if you're 4% at 200 lbs, then suddenly gain 5 lbs of water, your body fat percentage will now be 3.9%.
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Mybe this is not the place to post this but I have aquaintances here in Romania who took Naposim tabs and tested them and came back as low as 3 mg per tab instead of 5mg
This naposim is straight from the pharmacy
It's sad ....
I did 2 cycles in the past years Naposim exclusively, same Pharmacy both times
both cycles lasted 6 weeks
ate the same in both
same lifting
started both around 185 lbs , little muscle w/ some fat
both cycles left me at exactly 217 lbs where I plateaud
diff is : first cycle was 100 mg daily and second was 150 mg daily
wtf ?? goes to show you
here's a pic at the endof the 100 mg day cycle
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Mybe this is not the place to post this but I have aquaintances here in Romania who took Naposim tabs and tested them and came back as low as 3 mg per tab instead of 5mg
This naposim is straight from the pharmacy
It's sad ....
I did 2 cycles in the past years Naposim exclusively, same Pharmacy both times
both cycles lasted 6 weeks
ate the same in both
same lifting
started both around 185 lbs , little muscle w/ some fat
both cycles left me at exactly 217 lbs where I plateaud
diff is : first cycle was 100 mg daily and second was 150 mg daily
wtf ?? goes to show you
here's a pic at the endof the 100 mg day cycle
Yes i've noticed that with thai pinks i had more pumps at the same dosage....
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Yes i've noticed that with thai pinks i had more pumps at the same dosage....
I suspect better dosage ;)
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How on earth do you equate water retention with the inability to reach a certain body fat percentage? There's absolutely no correlation. Also, if you're 4% at 200 lbs, then suddenly gain 5 lbs of water, your body fat percentage will now be 3.9%.
nonono
what gh15 is talking about is while you are already 4-6% if you have water on you youll not be able to see it ! meaning you will sit home think im 7%...yet you wont see it the so called experts will tell you no you are 10%,,i have actually worked with fellas that i brought them down to 5% and due to water retetnion the so called experts in there specific gyms told them they were 8-10%,,,
so you will never be able to step on stage or to see your 4-6% if you use hormones ,,youll HAVE to use diuretic inorder to get the water out and see those 4-6% on stage or on the beach it dont matter,,
now many morons think gh15 mean lasix! no i dont,,i mean diuretics such as aldacctone and dyzide whch are much better,,with lasix you need to live and breath bodybuilding 24 7 and know exactly what youre doing and also have the injects ,,lasix is for professional and even i fucked with it many times in the past,, so when i say diuretic i mean nto as strong and not as long lasting as lasix
gh15 approved
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Yes i've noticed that with thai pinks i had more pumps at the same dosage....
yes thai pinks only now days,,the naposim are underdosed and in many cases clenbuterok is in insted,,lowe dose of either ,,
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So GH what doses should one take of either DBOL or ADROL? How long should they take these seperatly?
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So GH what doses should one take of either DBOL or ADROL? How long should they take these seperatly?
doses is a dependent of lean muscle mass and experience with a product and its effects,,legit dianabol at 40-100mg is not unheard of depending on the individual
anapolon many take at 200-300 mg a day as in 4-6 tablets a day ,,you heard that right,,if you lay with 1 tablet anapolon a day what you do is basically shut down your hunger and cause yourself a headacje with out the benefits,,some individuas are none responders to anapolon and will only get full from it rather than gain lots of size and fat,,those are the ones who use it mostly in prep,,,
dianabol is superiior to anapolon for bodybuilding purposes
gh15 approved
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doses is a dependent of lean muscle mass and experience with a product and its effects,,legit dianabol at 40-100mg is not unheard of depending on the individual
anapolon many take at 200-300 mg a day as in 4-6 tablets a day ,,you heard that right,,if you lay with 1 tablet anapolon a day what you do is basically shut down your hunger and cause yourself a headacje with out the benefits,,some individuas are none responders to anapolon and will only get full from it rather than gain lots of size and fat,,those are the ones who use it mostly in prep,,,
dianabol is superiior to anapolon for bodybuilding purposes
gh15 approved
Ive experienced this, on 50-100mg, brings me to think either Im non-responder or too low a dose. But, then you get guys raving bout great gains on as low as 50mg...?
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GH15..What do you think of recovery from t3? does the body bounce back straight away after ending a course?
Have you ever seen anyone completly ruin there thyroid from t3 use?
Thanks mate
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GH15..What do you think of recovery from t3? does the body bounce back straight away after ending a course?
Have you ever seen anyone completly ruin there thyroid from t3 use?
Thanks mate
your thyroid would shut down and use exogenous t3 then when stopped would slowly go back to normal
t3 is imperative to be gradually increased and decreasedin cycles
gh15 is def in the know on this issue as he mentioned going as high as 300 micrograms a day on t3. He could def tell what's going on from a very hands on perspective
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your thyroid would shut down and use exogenous t3 then when stopped would slowly go back to normal
t3 is imperative to be gradually increased and decreasedin cycles
gh15 is def in the know on this issue as he mentioned going as high as 300 micrograms a day on t3. He could def tell what's going on from a very hands on perspective
Thanks Sev.
Do you think once ending the t3 cycle it would be best to add clen to keep the fat burning going and give your body a chance to recover and save you from adding fat back again whilst your throid gets back to normal? along with a clean diet and cardio of course.
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Ive experienced this, on 50-100mg, brings me to think either Im non-responder or too low a dose. But, then you get guys raving bout great gains on as low as 50mg...?
could it have been fake gear figo ?
all studies done with anadrol show it as being very very very effective in all cases ;)
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your thyroid would shut down and use exogenous t3 then when stopped would slowly go back to normal
t3 is imperative to be gradually increased and decreasedin cycles
gh15 is def in the know on this issue as he mentioned going as high as 300 micrograms a day on t3. He could def tell what's going on from a very hands on perspective
anything over 100 mcg makes me look like fucking shit in a matter of days !
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i've taken ROHM LABS Thermolipid 50ml
its a mix of:
Each 1ml Contains
50mcg T3
60mcg Clen
Yohimbe HCL
7 Keto
i was eating 2000cals a day and was taking 6ml a day - did fuck all >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
not the first time t3 has did nothing for me either >:(
clen has never worked as i'm asthmatic.
of course the possibility is that i was bumped every time i've bought t3 :(
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Mybe this is not the place to post this but I have aquaintances here in Romania who took Naposim tabs and tested them and came back as low as 3 mg per tab instead of 5mg
This naposim is straight from the pharmacy
It's sad ....
I did 2 cycles in the past years Naposim exclusively, same Pharmacy both times
both cycles lasted 6 weeks
ate the same in both
same lifting
started both around 185 lbs , little muscle w/ some fat
both cycles left me at exactly 217 lbs where I plateaud
diff is : first cycle was 100 mg daily and second was 150 mg daily
wtf ?? goes to show you
here's a pic at the endof the 100 mg day cycle
150mg/day...wtf!
with only 15/20 mg i've got more gain than you, but headache too.
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i've taken ROHM LABS Thermolipid 50ml
its a mix of:
Each 1ml Contains
50mcg T3
60mcg Clen
Yohimbe HCL
7 Keto
i was eating 2000cals a day and was taking 6ml a day - did fuck all >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
not the first time t3 has did nothing for me either >:(
clen has never worked as i'm asthmatic.
of course the possibility is that i was bumped every time i've bought t3 :(
I would never have the guts, or stupidity, to take a UG product with not one, but two such dose sensitive compounds.
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could it have been fake gear figo ?
all studies done with anadrol show it as being very very very effective in all cases ;)
I thought the same, tried 2 diff types already, same (lack of) results. Maybe both fake, maybe I dont respond...
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Thanks Sev.
Do you think once ending the t3 cycle it would be best to add clen to keep the fat burning going and give your body a chance to recover and save you from adding fat back again whilst your throid gets back to normal? along with a clean diet and cardio of course.
no... once at a low bodyfat you can stay around that w/ just cardio and diet. From my expirience
also for me clenbuterol gives me head aches and makes me very weird like anxious and panicky. I do not like it at all
But everybody is different
I do believe that t3 ( cytomel ) and ephedrine ( bronkaid ) is the best combo though...noone needs more than that plus diet and cardio to look fantastic
competing is a totally diff ball game
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150mg/day...wtf!
with only 15/20 mg i've got more gain than you, but headache too.
lets see
I went up 40 lbs in 6 weeks w/ 100 and with 150 mg daily
if you expect me to believe you gained 40 lbs in 6 weeks or whatever w/ 20 mg ::)
comon man
by the way ..I respond exceptionally well to hormones
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lets see
I went up 40 lbs in 6 weeks w/ 100 and with 150 mg daily
if you expect me to believe you gained 40 lbs in 6 weeks or whatever w/ 20 mg ::)
comon man
by the way ..I respond exceptionally well to hormones
haha yes what a tool.....
"15mgs a day", another marvel on the boards. ::)
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I would never have the guts, or stupidity, to take a UG product with not one, but two such dose sensitive compounds.
its not stupidity when i'm an asthmatic and get no effects from clen it what so ever.
unfortunately t3 seems to be the same too :'(
i've taken dnp too, got all the sides but no noticible fat loss >:(
the only thing that works for me is ephedrine :) ( and cardio+diet :D )
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its not stupidity when i'm an asthmatic and get no effects from clen it what so ever.
unfortunately t3 seems to be the same too :'(
i've taken dnp too, got all the sides but no noticible fat loss >:(
the only thing that works for me is ephedrine :) ( and cardio+diet :D )
haha sucked in fatty ;)
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haha sucked in fatty ;)
;D
well its not like i bought 2 bottles and just started taking swings out of it, i increased the dosage every 2 weeks.
fuck you van >:(
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your thyroid would shut down and use exogenous t3 then when stopped would slowly go back to normal
t3 is imperative to be gradually increased and decreasedin cycles
gh15 is def in the know on this issue as he mentioned going as high as 300 micrograms a day on t3. He could def tell what's going on from a very hands on perspective
thats totally false sevastase. absolutely no reason at all to taper up or down on the doseages, and thyroid jumps back into full function within a few days of going off t3.
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its not stupidity when i'm an asthmatic and get no effects from clen it what so ever.
unfortunately t3 seems to be the same too :'(
i've taken dnp too, got all the sides but no noticible fat loss >:(
the only thing that works for me is ephedrine :) ( and cardio+diet :D )
Underground labs have a real problem getting their testosterone preparations within 10% of label claim and sometimes it isn't even the right compound. Now you have two compounds that are dosed in the micrograms. So much can go wrong here, even with the best intentions. I don't care if you're a seeming non-responder, both of these could kill you if the "lab" made a small mistake in their calculations. I just don't trust any UG outfit enough to put my life in their hands. :D
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thats totally false sevastase. absolutely no reason at all to taper up or down on the doseages, and thyroid jumps back into full function within a few days of going off t3.
I've always done it this way and whomever taught me told me so ...
I'm sure it can be done your way too
However: not tapering up and down can absolutely fuck a woman's thyroid...can you live with that ? I can't
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thats totally false sevastase. absolutely no reason at all to taper up or down on the doseages, and thyroid jumps back into full function within a few days of going off t3.
I remember a letter an FBB by the name of Teagan Clive (she has posted on GB before) sent to MMI about her coming off thyroid cold turkey like after a decade of use (can't remember exactly but it was many years). She recovered promptly and fully and actually lost weight after coming off.
Will Grant talked about Alphie Newman blowing out her thyroid but no one has verified the info. I asked Mindspin but he didn't answer.
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thats totally false sevastase. absolutely no reason at all to taper up or down on the doseages, and thyroid jumps back into full function within a few days of going off t3.
yip - studies back this 100%
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I remember a letter an FBB by the name of Teagan Clive (she has posted on GB before) sent to MMI about her coming off thyroid cold turkey like after a decade of use (can't remember exactly but it was many years). She recovered promptly and fully and actually lost weight after coming off.
Will Grant talked about Alphie Newman blowing out her thyroid but no one has verified the info. I asked Mindspin but he didn't answer.
t3 should be prescribed to obese people
instead of the appetite suppressants currently prescribed
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t3 should be prescribed to obese people
instead of the appetite suppressants currently prescribed
Shouldn't it be TSH via Synthyroid? Doesn't that stimalate the thyroid therefore having an increased metabolism?
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Shouldn't it be TSH via Synthyroid? Doesn't that stimalate the thyroid therefore having an increased metabolism?
synthroid is useless in 99% of humans. wont do anything at all, unless you have a genetic predisposition which causes your body to under produce t4. and in that case it would only bump metabolism to regular. t3 is the active thyroid hormone, so to change a metabolism it is what must be supplemented with. t4 is inactive as far as "pace of energy consumption" goes... although i understand it does play some other roles.
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opinion please.
Dbol, no doubt. Anadrol gives you brutal headaches and makes you feel like shit, and after a week your body adjusts to it and it doesen't work as well anymore. Dbol makes you feel great, although it enlarges and uglifies your face.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dbol, no doubt. Anadrol gives you brutal headaches and makes you feel like shit, and after a week your body adjusts to it and it doesen't work as well anymore. Dbol makes you feel great, although it enlarges and uglifies your face.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
how do you bag on gh15 for saying things without scientific backing? at leats his is correct info. here you saying things with no scientific backing and not to mention its also untrue (except for anadrol making you feel like shit).
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how do you bag on gh15 for saying things without scientific backing? at leats his is correct info. here you saying things with no scientific backing and not to mention its also untrue (except for anadrol making you feel like shit).
Go fuck yourself, retard. I am giving anecdotal evidence from my own personal experience with these drugs. You are the same .f.a.g.g.o.t who admitted to taking it up the ass and enjoyed it, so you have no dignity to talk down to anyone. And my information is not incorrect, idiot. Anadrol stopped working for me after a week, whilst I gained 5 lbs a week for one month while on dbol.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Go fuck yourself, retard. I am giving anecdotal evidence from my own personal experience with these drugs. You are the same .f.a.g.g.o.t who admitted to taking it up the ass and enjoyed it, so you have no dignity to talk down to anyone. And my information is not incorrect, idiot. Anadrol stopped working for me after a week, whilst I gained 5 lbs a week for one month while on dbol.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
if anadrol stopped working for you after a week, then you had 7 legit anadrol and the rest were fake. because it doesnt just stop working.
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if anadrol stopped working for you after a week, then you had 7 legit anadrol and the rest were fake. because it doesnt just stop working.
Right. So Hemogenin bought straight from the pharmacy had some legit pills in it and other fakes? Damn, you really are a dumb one. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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t3 should be prescribed to obese people
instead of the appetite suppressants currently prescribed
I wonder about possible cardiac issues though. Big reason T3 increases calorie consumption is the increase in heart rate.
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synthroid is useless in 99% of humans. wont do anything at all, unless you have a genetic predisposition which causes your body to under produce t4. and in that case it would only bump metabolism to regular. t3 is the active thyroid hormone, so to change a metabolism it is what must be supplemented with. t4 is inactive as far as "pace of energy consumption" goes... although i understand it does play some other roles.
Huh? This post makes absolutely no sense. If synthroid is useless, I feel bad for all of the people who are currently taking it for hypothyroidism (which isn't just caused by a genetic predisposition). Synthroid is by far the most popular drug prescribed for hypothyroidism. I've never even seen a patient prescribed a t3 analog, although I think they do exist. As far as t3 being the active hormone...yes, that's true. But, t4 (which is essentially what synthroid is) is the predominant form produced by the thyroid, and is converted in the tissues of your body to t3. If you take large doses of synthroid, you will bump up your metabolism...and it will be beyond just "regular." This is exactly what happens to people with hyperthyroidism--their body produces too much t4., which is converted to t3 peripherally, and voila...they get all the symptoms of hyperthyroidsm...weight loss being one of them.
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I wonder about possible cardiac issues though. Big reason T3 increases calorie consumption is the increase in heart rate.
Nobody is going to be prescribing a thyroid analog for weight loss. It would be dangerous (cardiac risks in particular), and you would have to monitor thyroid levels. As far as how it causes weight loss, thyroid hormone has effects on energy metabolism independent of it's effect on heart rate.
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I've never even seen a patient prescribed a t3 analog, although I think they do exist.
Well, there's Armour Thyroid. From what I've seen that's the preferred drug for treating hypothyroidism by "those in the know" though I haven't looked at it in depth.
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Well, there's Armour Thyroid. From what I've seen that's the preferred drug for treating hypothyroidism by "those in the know" though I haven't looked at it in depth.
Hmmm. Not sure where you have seen this or what constitutes "being in the know." I've been to medical school and done a residency, and I've never seen a patient with hypothyroidism who wasn't on synthroid. I've never even heard of armour thyroid. I did look it up, though, and it appears to be some sort of thyroid extract from pigs which was used in the past (which is why I haven't heard of it), but now has been almost entirely replaced by synthroid. Believe me--synthroid is by far the most commonly used thyroid replacement drug. The T3 replacement drug that doctor sometimes use is called cytomel.
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Hmmm. Not sure where you have seen this or what constitutes "being in the know." I've been to medical school and done a residency, and I've never seen a patient with hypothyroidism who wasn't on synthroid. I've never even heard of armour thyroid. I can imagine t3 analogs do have a role in the few people who are unable to convert t4 to t3, but I'm guessing that's rare.
There are some people who have always provided correct and reliable info that's scientifically backed so I tend to trust them even when I personally haven't studied something in depth.
Armour Thyroid is porcine derived thyroid gland extract, contains both T4 and T3. "Natural Thyroid".
http://www.armourthyroid.com/
Believe me--synthroid is by far the most commonly used thyroid replacement drug.
Sure, I know this. There's a lot of controversy surrounding hypothyroidism treatments. For example what constitutes hypothyroid, and I think it has been adjusted through the years. Not all docs subscribe to the same reference ranges. Kind of like hypogonadism, being at the low end of normal can still be "too low" for you.
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There are some people who have always provided correct and reliable info that's scientifically backed so I tend to trust them even when I personally haven't studied something in depth.
Armour Thyroid is porcine derived thyroid gland extract, contains both T4 and T3. "Natural Thyroid".
http://www.armourthyroid.com/
Sure, I know this. There's a lot of controversy surrounding hypothyroidism treatments. For example what constitutes hypothyroid, and I think it has been adjusted through the years. Not all docs subscribe to the same reference ranges. Kind of like hypogonadism, being at the low end of normal can still be "too low" for you.
Well, I wouldn't really call it controversy. That implies that there isn't really an accepted standard of care. There are published guidelines for what constitutes hypothyroidism. Sure, practitioners have individual preferences, but guidelines still exist, and if there are any differences between the way practitioners manage the disease, they are very subtle. This being said, there is no controversy in the drugs doctors will prescribe when they deem a patient "hypothyroid." And that's really all I'm saying. I was really just pointing out that someone's post about t4 not being effective was absolutely bogus, and that most patients with hypothyroidism are prescribed a synthetic t4 analog (synthroid). I was also saying that taking exogenous t4 will impact everyone...not just people with low levels of thyroid hormone.
By the way, I was wrong when I said I've never seen a t3 analog prescribed. Some patients do get prescribed cytomel, but still, synthroid is by far the most common treatment.
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someone's post about t4 not being effective was absolutely bogus, and that most patients with hypothyroidism are prescribed a synthetic t4 analog (synthroid). I was also saying that taking exogenous t4 will impact everyone...not just people with low levels of thyroid hormone.
By the way, I was wrong when I said I've never seen a t3 analog prescribed. Some patients do get prescribed cytomel, but still, synthroid is by far the most common treatment.
supplementing t4 into a person with normal levels of t3.....
this is what i was refering to
since most obese people have normal levels of t3, and i was talking about medications prescribed to obese people to get them to lose weight
are you saying adding in additional t4 to somoeone with healthy thyroiud will result in significantly higher t3 ?
i dont think it works that way. youve got to use t3 directly.
as for the rest of what you said about people with hypothyroid... yes they get treated with t4 most of the times... because alot of those people are underproducing t4... so that is the solution to their problem....
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supplementing t4 into a person with normal levels of t3.....
this is what i was refering to
since most obese people have normal levels of t3, and i was talking about medications prescribed to obese people to get them to lose weight
are you saying adding in additional t4 to somoeone with healthy thyroiud will result in significantly higher t3 ?
i dont think it works that way. youve got to use t3 directly.
as for the rest of what you said about people with hypothyroid... yes they get treated with t4 most of the times... because alot of those people are underproducing t4... so that is the solution to their problem....
to my understanding t4 converts to t3.. as needed by a person who is deficient.. right?
so.. in a normal person.. who isn’t deficient.. t4 is useless.. because the body will not convert it.. because it does not need any additional t3.
go the direct route – t3.. if you want to drop fat.
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Huh? This post makes absolutely no sense. If synthroid is useless, I feel bad for all of the people who are currently taking it for hypothyroidism (which isn't just caused by a genetic predisposition). Synthroid is by far the most popular drug prescribed for hypothyroidism. I've never even seen a patient prescribed a t3 analog, although I think they do exist. As far as t3 being the active hormone...yes, that's true. But, t4 (which is essentially what synthroid is) is the predominant form produced by the thyroid, and is converted in the tissues of your body to t3. If you take large doses of synthroid, you will bump up your metabolism...and it will be beyond just "regular." This is exactly what happens to people with hyperthyroidism--their body produces too much t4., which is converted to t3 peripherally, and voila...they get all the symptoms of hyperthyroidsm...weight loss being one of them.
this is a bodybuilding board.. healthy people using *t3* to burn fat. t4 is useless for them... they are not deficient in t4.. they want to *supplement*.. add to.. to get a fat burning effect. t3 three is the way to go.
and they should run t3 along with an anabolic to prevent muscle wasting.
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to my understanding t4 converts to t3.. as needed by a person who is deficient.. right?
so.. in a normal person.. who isn’t deficient.. t4 is useless.. because the body will not convert it.. because it does not need any additional t3.
go the direct route – t3.. if you want to drop fat.
You are wrong. If T4 was useless in someone who wasn't deficient, then you would never get symptoms from hyperthyroidism. If you give your body T4, it will convert it to T3 plain and simple. Thyroid function isn't regulated as much at the level of the t4 to t3 conversion step; it's regulated moreso at the level of the pituitary. Give your body t4 and it will convert it to t3 even if you already have enough t3. There is a balance in the body between tsh production by the pituitary and thyroid hormone production by the thyroid gland. As thyroid hormone levels rise, TSH levels fall, and thyroid output is regulated. If you take exogenous thyroid hormone, including t4, your tsh levels will fall, but your body will still convert the t4 to t3. Your TSH can be 0, but as long as you are supplementing with thyroid hormone, you will still get the effects. And if you take more thyroid hormone than you need (including t4) you become artificially hyperthyroid even though your tsh might be 0. Your body will still convert t4 to t3 even if you are clinically hyperthyroid. That's why, after all, there is something in medicine called hyperthyroidism! Is t3 more direct than t4? Yes. I'm not debating that. But to say that t4 wouldn't work is wrong. Anyway, I think we're arguing for the sake of arguing. I wouldn't debate that taking t3 directly should theoretically work faster than t4 and could theoretically be more effective because presumably there is some downregulation of the peripheral enzymes that convert t4 to t3 when you are hyperthyroid. But you will get weight loss effects if you take too much t4. Of course, anyone taking thyroid hormone for weight loss is an idiot in my opinion...but then again when have bodybuilders ever made rational decisions?
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I concur w rodoc
t4 gets converted
we do not have t3 in Romania not even on the bl;ack mnarket
so we been bodybuilding on t4 foreva ;)
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You are wrong. If T4 was useless in someone who wasn't deficient, then you would never get symptoms from hyperthyroidism. If you give your body T4, it will convert it to T3 plain and simple. Thyroid function isn't regulated as much at the level of the t4 to t3 conversion step; it's regulated moreso at the level of the pituitary. Give your body t4 and it will convert it to t3 even if you already have enough t3. There is a balance in the body between tsh production by the pituitary and thyroid hormone production by the thyroid gland. As thyroid hormone levels rise, TSH levels fall, and thyroid output is regulated. If you take exogenous thyroid hormone, including t4, your tsh levels will fall, but your body will still convert the t4 to t3. Your TSH can be 0, but as long as you are supplementing with thyroid hormone, you will still get the effects. And if you take more thyroid hormone than you need (including t4) you become artificially hyperthyroid even though your tsh might be 0. Your body will still convert t4 to t3 even if you are clinically hyperthyroid. That's why, after all, there is something in medicine called hyperthyroidism! Is t3 more direct than t4? Yes. I'm not debating that. But to say that t4 wouldn't work is wrong. Anyway, I think we're arguing for the sake of arguing. I wouldn't debate that taking t3 directly should theoretically work faster than t4 and could theoretically be more effective because presumably there is some downregulation of the peripheral enzymes that convert t4 to t3 when you are hyperthyroid. But you will get weight loss effects if you take too much t4.
its nice to know t4 will work…
t4 - conversion = not as efficient.
t3 – already what it needs to be.
Of course, anyone taking thyroid hormone for weight loss is an idiot in my opinion...
I agree :)
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we do not have t3 in Romania not even on the bl;ack mnarket
but - you have naps...
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You are wrong. If T4 was useless in someone who wasn't deficient, then you would never get symptoms from hyperthyroidism. If you give your body T4, it will convert it to T3 plain and simple. Thyroid function isn't regulated as much at the level of the t4 to t3 conversion step; it's regulated moreso at the level of the pituitary. Give your body t4 and it will convert it to t3 even if you already have enough t3. There is a balance in the body between tsh production by the pituitary and thyroid hormone production by the thyroid gland. As thyroid hormone levels rise, TSH levels fall, and thyroid output is regulated. If you take exogenous thyroid hormone, including t4, your tsh levels will fall, but your body will still convert the t4 to t3. Your TSH can be 0, but as long as you are supplementing with thyroid hormone, you will still get the effects. And if you take more thyroid hormone than you need (including t4) you become artificially hyperthyroid even though your tsh might be 0. Your body will still convert t4 to t3 even if you are clinically hyperthyroid. That's why, after all, there is something in medicine called hyperthyroidism! Is t3 more direct than t4? Yes. I'm not debating that. But to say that t4 wouldn't work is wrong. Anyway, I think we're arguing for the sake of arguing. I wouldn't debate that taking t3 directly should theoretically work faster than t4 and could theoretically be more effective because presumably there is some downregulation of the peripheral enzymes that convert t4 to t3 when you are hyperthyroid. But you will get weight loss effects if you take too much t4. Of course, anyone taking thyroid hormone for weight loss is an idiot in my opinion...but then again when have bodybuilders ever made rational decisions?
hm. learn something new everyday. id always thought it wouldnt be effective in a healthy individual.
anyway, i, like van bilderass, think armour thyroid would be the best bet. then cytomel. then synthroid.
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the tbomz kid became very knowledgable during the years,,,thats what i like ,,never give up learn from him ,,he will get far ,, you kept laughin at him and he came back and back and back and now hes posting is actually interesting,,
thats a winner anyway you look at it ,,if his body respond as well as his brain he will get far
gh15 approved
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the tbomz kid became very knowledgable during the years,,,thats what i like ,,never give up learn from him ,,he will get far ,, you kept laughin at him and he came back and back and back and now hes posting is actually interesting,,
thats a winner anyway you look at it ,,if his body respond as well as his brain he will get far
gh15 approved
thanks gh15
hey in your experience with insulin how long do you have to take it to see mass gains? how many iu ? i know milos says 20iu pre workout, however i am sure the human body can release the equivelant of 20iu of insulin on its own, so i think most ifbb bodybuilders use considerably higher doseages of insulin. like 50-100iu. am i right?
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yes you are,,but its individual dependent and lean mass dependency ,,i would not recomend any one with over 8% bodyfat to use insulin ,,there is such a thing as non responders to insulin as in insulin insensetive and it exist ,,atleast in terms of normal lifter not diabetics,,and the reason is always fat too fat ,,started too fat,,,the best time to do the insulin in a routine is when you are mid single digit as in after competition when body fat% is at 6-8%
that is when your body will explode with the use of gh into new dimentions,,
one can grow perfectly good at 12% on gh and aas until he gets down to 7-8% and add in the insulin to grow into new dimentions
insuin shoudl be highly respected and know how to use because yes you can very well die from it if you dont know the mesurments and you dont have some kinda of sugar next to you at all times ,,in addition i would nto go to sleep when insulin is injected period no matter how much sugar you took in
you get tired? take cold shower
gh15 approved
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yes you are,,but its individual dependent and lean mass dependency ,,i would not recomend any one with over 8% bodyfat to use insulin ,,there is such a thing as non responders to insulin as in insulin insensetive and it exist ,,atleast in terms of normal lifter not diabetics,,and the reason is always fat too fat ,,started too fat,,,the best time to do the insulin in a routine is when you are mid single digit as in after competition when body fat% is at 6-8%
that is when your body will explode with the use of gh into new dimentions,,
one can grow perfectly good at 12% on gh and aas until he gets down to 7-8% and add in the insulin to grow into new dimentions
insuin shoudl be highly respected and know how to use because yes you can very well die from it if you dont know the mesurments and you dont have some kinda of sugar next to you at all times ,,in addition i would nto go to sleep when insulin is injected period no matter how much sugar you took in
you get tired? take cold shower
gh15 approved
ok cool
what if a double digit body fat guy only used insulin when he was sensitive to insulin - post workout when glycogen is depleted?
how fast can somebody put on muscle with insulin if used on a daily basis along with a large dose of AAS but no gh?
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i wouldnt tqake insulin unless body fat is down into single digit,, the look you see on denis wolfe on a professional bodybuilder is insulin taken after showes at lower body fat when climing into new dimentions,,
i also would not take insulin unless gh is in the systrm ,,i would do whatever it takes to get growth hormone because it is the best hormone for lean growth ,,the body loves it and gets into new type of anabolizm while on it ,,,the 3 dimentional type when each muscle start looking full and seperated ,,,
first aas
then gh
then insulin
with gh and insulin you can put muscle and lean out at a worrying rate as in 2-3 months and you look diffeent both in quality and in quantity ,,gh by itself will get you competition ready in a matyter of few months sometimes less with leaving ALL your muscle on you
gh15 approved
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I feel my body responding to dbol at even 20 mg per day... my strength increases a lot... :o
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Go fuck yourself, retard. I am giving anecdotal evidence from my own personal experience with these drugs. You are the same .f.a.g.g.o.t who admitted to taking it up the ass and enjoyed it, so you have no dignity to talk down to anyone. And my information is not incorrect, idiot. Anadrol stopped working for me after a week, whilst I gained 5 lbs a week for one month while on dbol.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lmao...so sucky used anadrol. So much for all natural