Smoke em doing what....running?bob i saw u panting and wheezing after getting off the tread in your war 4 world video...what would u do if u had to run to save your life or save a loved one...u should try to drop some weight and increase cardio...arnold and lou ferringno jogged
There aint a "running round" at a BB show....
Lets face it, most Olympic 100meter to 200 meter runners would smoke most state level bodybuilders if they decided to step on stage...Short High Intensity cardio obviously works...Why don't you hear about it in the novice to lower level bodybuilders who have other things going on in their lives who don't have the time for 2 hrs of low intensity cardio? Are these people really that insecure that they believe it will take too much muscle away from their precise 175 pound body?
Smoke em doing what....running?
There aint a "running round" at a BB show....
High intensity cardio works but its only added benefit is saving time IMO. I'd rather do an extra boring 20mins at mod intensity than drain my energy and burn carbs that I should be saving for the weights. It all depends on what type of body you want in the end be it bb to the fitness look to the marathon runner.
Lets face it, most Olympic 100meter to 200 meter runners would smoke most state level bodybuilders if they decided to step on stage...Short High Intensity cardio obviously works...Why don't you hear about it in the novice to lower level bodybuilders who have other things going on in their lives who don't have the time for 2 hrs of low intensity cardio? Are these people really that insecure that they believe it will take too much muscle away from their precise 175 pound body?
These guys doing sprints aren't lifting a ton of weights yet hold onto more muscle then 90% of state level bodybuilders with less drugs...Sure they are genetic freaks....But let me ask you this Chick...Have you ever done high intensity cardio instead of long low intensity cardio...
High intensity cardio doesn't work very well for BBers....if you put one of those guys on stage against decent BBers, they would look like beanpoles....I suggest you check out one of the many spreads they have had in M&F over the years when they feature a track athlete, etc
Two different worlds
High intensity cardio doesn't work very well for BBers....if you put one of those guys on stage against decent BBers, they would look like beanpoles....I suggest you check out one of the many spreads they have had in M&F over the years when they feature a track athlete, etc
Two different worlds
Thats my question really...Most bodybuilders would never do high intensity cardio....However if we are to look at speed skaters(ice) these guys quads would blow away 99% of all state level bodybuilders...Is there something to be learned there?
High intensity cardio doesn't work very well for BBers....if you put one of those guys on stage against decent BBers, they would look like beanpoles....I suggest you check out one of the many spreads they have had in M&F over the years when they feature a track athlete, etc
Two different worlds
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Thats my question really...Most bodybuilders would never do high intensity cardio....However if we are to look at speed skaters(ice) these guys quads would blow away 99% of all state level bodybuilders...Is there something to be learned there?
And I won't even get into the guys quads who ride bicycle's ;)
I don't know but its pretty much in stone that the top guys don't do it. If the low level guys wanna come up then why should they do the opposite?
because the top guys say they do 2 hours a day of cardio...If a guy who works 50 to 60 hours a week can get away with doing HIT type cardio for 40 minutes and get the same results, why on earth wouldn't he do that considering time means everything?
because the top guys say they do 2 hours a day of cardio...If a guy who works 50 to 60 hours a week can get away with doing HIT type cardio for 40 minutes and get the same results, why on earth wouldn't he do that considering time means everything?
Simple...because doing high int burns CARBS...low intensity burns FAT. When on a low carb diet, the last thing you want to be doing is burning up what little carbs/ glycogen you have stored.
Simple...because doing high int burns CARBS...low intensity burns FAT. When on a low carb diet, the last thing you want to be doing is burning up what little carbs/ glycogen you have stored.The final word....
because the top guys say they do 2 hours a day of cardio...If a guy who works 50 to 60 hours a week can get away with doing HIT type cardio for 40 minutes and get the same results, why on earth wouldn't he do that considering time means everything?
You're on to something, my friend...
Bodybuilders = sheep. Most people just get in line and do whatever everyone else is doing. HIT cardio works great; most people just don't have the cojones to deal with the "sting" of it.
Whats the point of saving time if you lose muscle (especially noticable on a state level bb) and place low in your show? I've worked a 50 hr week and if you wanna get the cardio done you'll make time. Join a 24 hr fitness. 2hrs is really an extreme that most pros who don't blow up like balloons don't have to do accept maybe a few times closer to the show. Dexter just started doing cardio like 20-45 mins a day and he's peeled every time.
Simple...because doing high int burns CARBS...low intensity burns FAT. When on a low carb diet, the last thing you want to be doing is burning up what little carbs/ glycogen you have stored.
Haven't there been many people that have used over 200 grams of carbs a day precontest and still gotten under 6%?
Simple...because doing high int burns CARBS...low intensity burns FAT. When on a low carb diet, the last thing you want to be doing is burning up what little carbs/ glycogen you have stored.
Whats the point of saving time if you lose muscle (especially noticable on a state level bb) and place low in your show? I've worked a 50 hr week and if you wanna get the cardio done you'll make time. Join a 24 hr fitness. 2hrs is really an extreme that most pros who don't blow up like balloons don't have to do accept maybe a few times closer to the show. Dexter just started doing cardio like 20-45 mins a day and he's peeled every time.
Haven't there been many people that have used over 200 grams of carbs a day precontest and still gotten under 6%?
There's also a little thing called heart rate...the higher it goes, the more calories are burned. After HIT cardio, a person's heart rate stays elevated for quite some time...accelerating fat loss.
Bob, I think the main reason why most bodybuilders don't do HIT cardio is because it requires a ton of energy and isn't easy.
Whats the point of saving time if you lose muscle (especially noticable on a state level bb) and place low in your show? I've worked a 50 hr week and if you wanna get the cardio done you'll make time. Join a 24 hr fitness. 2hrs is really an extreme that most pros who don't blow up like balloons don't have to do accept maybe a few times closer to the show. Dexter just started doing cardio like 20-45 mins a day and he's peeled every time.
Bunch of bullshit. Natural bodybuilders benefit more from HIT cardio than low intensity cardio according to recent studies.
200 g for someone like Jay is very low. For me at 210 and not ripped its kinda high.
You won't lose muscle if you are eating enough calories and protein.
Let's think about this and apply some common sense: In track & field, sprinters = muscular, marathoners = scrawny.
Sprinters train HIIT, marathoners train steady-state, longer time period.
Any questions?
See first post...I'm talking novice bodybuilders ;)
"calories" is a pretty generic term....calories from where? carbs?
Burning stored fat is the objective...which you never get to when you're burning nothing but carbs, never getting to the fat....like all the fat chicks you see TEACHING aerobic classes....awesome cardiovascular, but cant get trim
Let's think about this and apply some common sense: In track & field, sprinters = muscular, marathoners = scrawny.
Sprinters train HIIT, marathoners train steady-state, longer time period.
Any questions?
200 g for someone like Jay is very low. For me at 210 and not ripped its kinda high.
Here is some common sense:
Sprinters are naturally muscular/ fast, thats why they are sprinters faster metabolisms are prone to not carrying a whole lot of fat...less to do with training and more to do with genetic disposition
Here is some common sense:
Sprinters are naturally muscular/ fast, thats why they are sprinters faster metabolisms are prone to not carrying a whole lot of fat...less to do with training and more to do with genetic disposition
Come on Bob, you know many of those chicks are hitting up McDonald's as a post-workout reward! It's well-known that someone can be fit and carry unsightly body fat.
You still haven't answered my question - do you know any bodybuilders who have really committed to HIT cardio?
I remember reading a M&F article with Eddie Robinson talking about how he liked to do interval training on a heavy bag as cardio for cutting up pre-contest. He knew getting his heart rate up high was key to burning fat.
I don't understand why so many people still think you have to be a drone on the cardio machine...paying careful attention to not over-exert at the risk of "burning muscle." WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT! If you are eating calories and plenty of protein, you aren't going to have a problem.
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN: PEOPLE AVOID HIT CARDIO BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF WORKING VERY HARD! It's much easier to just walk at 3.0 mph on the treadmill for 2 hours a day.
Burning stored fat is the objective...which you never get to when you're burning nothing but carbs, never getting to the fat....like all the fat chicks you see TEACHING aerobic classes....awesome cardiovascular, but cant get trim
I've known plenty of people who have used HIT to prepare for a show...every one of them looked like shit on stage.
Wrong tool for the job
Try it sometime....trust me....I would have GLADLY traded doing 1/3 of the time doing a more intense cardio If it worked....
There is no reason what so ever to not do HIIT for bodybuilding.
There is no reason what so ever to not do HIIT for bodybuilding.
In terms of intensity, areobic classes are far more like your hour on the treadmill than they are proper high-intensity interval training. Most people in "aerobic classes" would pass out trying to do HIIT.
ill never do high intensity cardio because i like lifting weights and big muscles... i do not like sprinting or running....and i can get lean fast enough with out doing them... i like bodyBUILDING...not bodyMAKINGSMALLER... and not track and field....
There is no reason what so ever to not do HIIT for bodybuilding.what about...... NOT WANTING TO ? :P absolutely unnecessary for getting lean.
Sure there is....it's called keeping as much muscle on your frame as possible
Yeah, but you're a fag who takes dick up the ass. :-\
I started using HIIT for my upcoming show and came down WAY to fast and started to sacrifice some size. I stopped and went back to low intensity AM and PM and luckily have had time to get back on track. It works, but I would stay away from it as a bodybuilder unless you are way behind and no other real options.
Bob, have you personally ever given HIIT a fair shot or just dismissed it without trying it?
Techno Viking, FYI sprinters ARE lifting a ton of weight, rule of thumb for track and field is speed starts in the weight room.
Tbombz is a guy who perpetuates the stereotypical meathead. He's not to be taken seriously by anyone with an IQ north of 90.ahahahah! lets see a screen shot from your iq test, mr einstein ;D
So....HIIT will burn fat very quickly? Sounds like it works!
"Not wanting too" = LAZYno, not necessary. millions of people have gotten absolutely fucking shredded WITHOUT high intensity cardio.
Necessary, through research and training experiance....it IS necessary!
So....HIIT will burn fat very quickly? Sounds like it works!
I've tried it all over 30 years...and have seen more than my share of others and their preps
ahahahah! lets see a screen shot from your iq test, mr einstein ;D
I started using HIIT for my upcoming show and came down WAY to fast and started to sacrifice some size. I stopped and went back to low intensity AM and PM and luckily have had time to get back on track. It works, but I would stay away from it as a bodybuilder unless you are way behind and no other real options.
I disagree with you about the effectiveness of HIIT cardio. I just don't think enough people have tried it to dismiss it so readily. I think the major reason why people don't try it is because IT HURTS!
By the way, I met you at the 2004 Nats in Dallas when Chris Cook turned pro and a fight almost broke out in the audience. You were a real gent and chatted me up at the BB.com booth for a few minutes. Glad to see you've made some good money from the sport. It's unfortunate we don't have more people like you in BBing these days.
Believe me...If bodybuilders thought they could get the same results doing 20 minutes of cardio (HIIT) as opposed to 1 hr of slow...they would trade it in a minute
FYI - I don't take IQ tests online; they are mostly BS. I've taken a real test and scored in the low 130s. Not a genius, but enough intellectual capital to be dangerous.wow! thats an above average score. you must feel pretty good knowing that youve got better cognitive abilites than the average joe. :)
Eddie Robinson used it! He was a guy who wasn't afraid of busting his ass...
I think its more of a work ethic problem than anything based on actual empirical evidence.
FYI - I don't take IQ tests online; they are mostly BS. I've taken a real test and scored in the low 130s. Not a genius, but enough intellectual capital to be dangerous.
wow! thats an above average score. you must feel pretty good knowing that youve got better cognitive abilites than the average joe. :)
so you would estimate mine to be lower than 90, then? :)
FYI - I don't take IQ tests online; they are mostly BS. I've taken a real test and scored in the low 130s. Not a genius, but enough intellectual capital to be dangerous.
Real HIT cardio = super hard. Tabata on the running track hurts like hell, and not many people = in good enough shape to reap max benefit from it.
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no, not necessary. millions of people have gotten absolutely fucking shredded WITHOUT high intensity cardio.
130 = top 2%, which means there are many people on Getbig with IQ's in the 130's. Relentless seems like a smart guy, and his identity = known (he was at that "getbig lunch" with tommy wishbone, Alex23, McFarland, Cswol, his wife ++). He = probably not bsing.
130 = top 2%, which means there are many people on Getbig with IQ's in the 130's. Relentless seems like a smart guy, and his identity = known (he was at that "getbig lunch" with tommy wishbone, Alex23, McFarland, Cswol, his wife ++). He = probably not bsing.you sure know alot about it with an iq of 52, retard.
People are just scared shitless of dealing with pain, aren't they? That's what we're dealing with here on some levels...
130 = top 2%, which means there are many people on Getbig with IQ's in the 130's. Relentless seems like a smart guy, and his identity = known (he was at that "getbig lunch" with tommy wishbone, Alex23, McFarland, Cswol, his wife ++). He = probably not bsing.
Depussey = 52 8)
you sure know alot about it with an iq of 52, retard.
what do you think mine is ? :) i dont think anyone would guess it
He = Bsing :D
140 is considered to be genius :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
LMFAO! at these getbig BSers :D :D :D :D :D :D
130 = top 2%, which means there are many people on Getbig with IQ's in the 130's. Relentless seems like a smart guy, and his identity = known (he was at that "getbig lunch" with tommy wishbone, Alex23, McFarland, Cswol, his wife ++). He = probably not bsing.
Having a 52 IQ (retard level) = NOT funny to live with >:(
You claimed an IQ of 137 or something a while back, and you said you broke a school record on the SAT test in high school. You bitched out of IQtest.dk, saying it gave you a headache, like you say math do. Be a man, take a real IQ test ;)
Come on bro, it was a comment made in jest. This is a MB; people say things to generate a response. I guess it worked! I don't know anything about what your IQ may or may not be.
The drug using Pro is basically lazy and lacks energy. They find 'hit' cardio way too pysically demanding and mentally challenging.
It is much easier for them to shoot roids, do a 50 minute gym session three times a week and then just sleep, eat and do basically nothing else.
Yes Chick, your average steroid abusing Pro gets out of breath walking from the bench to the lat pull down!
Kind of like JaguarEnterprises claiming to have a higher IQ than Einstein (which she subsequently lowered to Einstein's level) and spending her career peddling gas caps at mall booths?
Taylor = Google IQ of 137.
Jaguar is full of shit.
Having a 52 IQ (retard level) = NOT funny to live with >:(
You claimed an IQ of 137 or something a while back, and you said you broke a school record on the SAT test in high school. You bitched out of IQtest.dk, saying it gave you a headache, like you say math do. Be a man, take a real IQ test ;)
:-*
:'(
Having a 52 IQ (retard level) = NOT funny to live with >:(
You claimed an IQ of 137 or something a while back, and you said you broke a school record on the SAT test in high school. You bitched out of IQtest.dk, saying it gave you a headache, like you say math do. Be a man, take a real IQ test ;)
:-*
Depends on the criteria. 142 = genius cutoff by some standards, while others has 160+ as the genius cutoff. Regardless, having a 140 IQ won't turn you into a math or music genius without work, as studies on expertise shows that if you have enough talent (which for most intellectual pursuits 130+ is), then the amount of work you put in is the determining factor. (and the best people out there has put in enormous amounts of work, 10000 - 30000+ hours...)
If you take the admission test for your local Mensa chapter (cutoff: 130), you'll meet a lot of 140 IQ'ers, and you'll see that they are mostly just normal people.
Ps: about 0,39% of the population in western countries has a 140+ IQ. Hardly very special.
The drug using Pro is basically lazy and lacks energy. They find 'hit' cardio way too pysically demanding and mentally challenging.
It is much easier for them to shoot roids, do a 50 minute gym session three times a week and then just sleep, eat and do basically nothing else.
Yes Chick, your average steroid abusing Pro gets out of breath walking from the bench to the lat pull down!
that is with this name :-*
Well, he's smart enough to realize that saying things like, "It feels great! Just like a deep-tissue massage only it's in your ass!", is something that requires a new account around here, since recovery is not a possibility.
Tabata Sprints = The most physically demanding thing you can put your body though
I guarantee 99% of getbiggers would not be able to finish a 4 minute session
they say that iq never changes, however i would not score what i did when i was younger. whether its just because i dont care enough to actually try to focus on the test, or because im actually less intelligent..idk..id hope its the first...
they say that iq never changes, however i would not score what i did when i was younger. whether its just because i dont care enough to actually try to focus on the test, or because im actually less intelligent..idk..id hope its the first...
Chick, they can actually get better results. Too many people are afraid to get away from old school ways. There is a big physiological difference between HIIT and long sustaining "cardio".
That statement is not entirely correct. Recent research has shown that IQ is mutable to a certain extent, and that it = influenced by many factors in your daily life (but also by your genetics) and what you spend your time doing.
A drug abusing Pro= A lazy piece of shit.
Yes, drug addicts by nature are lazy...they are people looking for an easy option...they are cheats....they lie to themselves and others....FFS, afterall, they refer to themselves as athletes..LOL...nothing could be further from the truth!
I'll bet you boast a respectable score, DB.
Maybe it was your incredibly high IQ that led you to rob $10,000+ from your parents to fuel your drug addiction?
He's a drug addict, a thief, and he takes cock up the ass?? :o Does he have AIDS yet? Wow what a life people with 137 IQ scores lead!
LMAO people on here lie about how many companies they own, how much they can lift, their bodyfat, how much food they eat, , how many millions they spend in a week, how many cops they wrestle, how many cars they own, how many islands they own, how many police officers they wrestle off them, how many times Angelina Jolie has hit on them, how many sexual partners they have had, their body part sizes from arm to leg to calves to penis, how many cage fights they have had, how many clients they train, what their IQ is and anything else you can imagine
LMFAO! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Only on getbig haha :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Simple...because doing high int burns CARBS...low intensity burns FAT. When on a low carb diet, the last thing you want to be doing is burning up what little carbs/ glycogen you have stored.It's not about carbs Mr. Bob O-Dooble poop. The point of HIT cardio is to increase your VO2 max to increase beta oxidation. Beta Oxidation requires oxygen.
He's a drug addict, a thief, and he takes cock up the ass?? :o Does he have AIDS yet? Wow what a life people with 137 IQ scores lead!
I wouldn't be surprised if he had AIDS. If he was robbing his parents of that much money, it only makes sense to think that he would be down on the street corner at night blowing 50 year old businessmen for an 8 ball.
Relentless...
I got in here and was talking about sprinting
while you and tbombz were ALREADY talking about IQs
so who was off topic there?
I still continued to talk about sprinting while you and others talked about your massive genius IQ :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
so who shifted the topic chief?
Didnt you claim to score close to SD3 on IQ tests some time back? ;D
The pain of just doing a normal HIT routine like running for 10 secs, jogging for 50 the first minute, then increasing the sprints and decreasing the jogging by 2 secs/minute until you reach 20 secs sprints, then reversing the 2 second thing until you reach 10 again on the running track will KILL most people here.
You can bet your ass on the fact that there are many people walking around at your local uni with 130+ IQs :-*
You can bet your ass on the fact that there are many people walking around at your local uni with 130+ IQs :-*
I'm one of them :-*
Yes, I've been tested twice in that range. Oddly, another test I had as a child had me down around monkey-boy candidizzle's score.
But since there are over a million people in the US alone at 145 or better, it's not really all that.
I'm one of them :-*
That = a respectable score. The difference between something like 140 and 145 = pretty small anyway, and can be influenced by a lot of factors. Things like how focused and determined you are during the test can mean a difference of several points.
People threat IQ like it is some "magical unidentifiable property", which it certainly ain't.
That means you = almost 3 times as intelligent as Debussey, along with Gothboy and Candi. :'( Debussey feels stupid and inferior >:( :'( :'(
He's a drug addict, a thief, and he takes cock up the ass?? :o Does he have AIDS yet? Wow what a life people with 137 IQ scores lead!
of course, I even went to a private elementry school for the bright and gifted a genius school
There are MANY different types of intelligences
just because you have a high IQ does not mean you are better at everything than people with lower IQ's
It=just a number :)
You are a dumb fuck my friend.
DO you get it now Bob? No one repects these drug abusing Pro's....They just ooze insecurity!
They are perceived as lazy and lacking back bone. Hence, they resort to the 'drug option'...the 'easy option'...the cop out!
And to think that you yourself are part of the problem...defending these drug abusing low lifes without fear, favour or shame!
Yes Bob, you are an intelligent man who has been lead down an ugly path of abuse and sloth!
Agreed. But IQ does tell you something about yourself though. An 100 IQ person = different from a 145+ for example, and IQ correlates with a shitload of things like education level, health, propensity for becoming a criminal ect. They say that correlation does not equal cause, but sometimes you gotta wonder :-X
Correlation does not equal causation
Classic line i have heard in all my Psychology classes :)
I read a report saying that the average college grad IQ = around 120, so depending on the school you go to there will be a decent amount of 130+ people around.
Ahh, so it's bullshit when Relentless says his IQ is 130+ but you expect us to believe you when you say yours is? Interesting. Right after that paragraph long rant about people lying on the internet nonetheless.
Gayer than my teacher being a previous "doctor" at a mental institute :-X
Duck says she took a real test based on Ravens matrices, blasted through the entire thing in half the time and got everything correct = reach the ceiling of the test. The test said she was 138+.
This = probably because of the brains she picked up while fucking the nerds.
:-X
Gayer than my teacher being a previous "doctor" at a mental institute
and meeting his wife there :-X
Debussey, have you watched the movie "The Uninvited"? ;D
This "Duck" character reminds me of the person in the next room haha
if you are going to watch it, watch it with Duck because this movie = frigging scary :-X
Ahh, so it's bullshit when Relentless says his IQ is 130+ but you expect us to believe you when you say yours is? Interesting. Right after that paragraph long rant about people lying on the internet nonetheless.
Did you know that IQ correlates with the size of your working memory? (7+-2 ;D )
And they have found that it might correlate with the integrity of your myelin sheeting (genetically determined), and it correlates with the amount of grey matter in your lateral prefrontal cortex.
Grabbing a hold of Duck's huge hands = useful when things gets scary 8)
I was the top student in the entire "normal" school and had to take many tests with thousands of other people
to just be one of the very few who attended that private school for the bright and the gifted
funny you say that because I have a great memory and people always point it out ;D
hopefully i will not come down with a case of alzheimers when i am 100 years old and you wont have to empty up a bed for me next to you and Duck
:-X
Not if Duck grabs a hold of you first :-X
Make sure to have your pepper spray and Taser ready :-X
This is Duck: I am ready for you baby 8) :-* :-* :-*
I am not ready and will never be ready for you Duck :-X
I have a friend who is... here is a picture
He = very interested in meeting you
I showed him your picture and
He passed out, my guess, you = his dream girl
He= the one with the Hitler moustache
Then I suggest:
You can use him as your own personal ######### :-X
Do a google search you ingorant and misinformed retards.
Again, you can indulge in 'hit' cardio you 'wont loose' a shred of muscle if you 'up' the calories.
Low intensity cardio is for those lazy, drug addicted Pros who can't be bothered making a 'healthy' and worthwhile effort!
Smoke em doing what....running?
There aint a "running round" at a BB show....