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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Stavios on May 02, 2009, 08:59:36 PM
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Ok, fuck the dieting I won't do the show, I am around 9% bf I'd guess maybe a bit less, 200lbs in the morning.
I am getting back up to 220lbs this will be the heavier I will get until I diet down again to win some shows in the light-heavies next year.
what happened is that I started out at 18% bf so I am kind of stocked and I won't be able to get down to how I would like to look.
next time around I'll start dieting at 10% bf and I will be skinless 8)
So the cycle starting will be
1g enanthate a week
5 IU of HGH a day
maybe insulin but I am not sure yet because I don't want to get fat.
if anyone have a protocol that wouldn't make me fat and that would actually lead to more muscle, speak on this
this will be for this month, I should have some good gain after that I'll up the dosage.
I don't need to start too high as I have been dieting for 12 weeks already so I will have a good rebound
I will train 2 times per day
day 1: quads in the AM
Chest in the PM
day 2: hams in the AM
back in the PM
day 3: Calves, shoulders in the AM
Arms in the PM
day 4: Rest
Repete
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Ok, fuck the dieting I won't do the show, I am around 9% bf I'd guess maybe a bit less, 200lbs in the morning.
Oh man, how far out were you?
Were you on T3? If not, maybe a touch of T3 for a month. Then use insulin as many days a week as you can without putting on too much fat. 2-3 times a day.
Just throwing out an idea.
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Pics or it didn't happen.
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If you're taking anabolics and have a solid diet, you shouldn't gain fat when taking slin. Tinker around with it and run some T3. Even off cycle and without T3, I don't gain fat taking slin a few times a week. Just learn how to use it until you become intuitive enough to not need a BSL monitor to know when and how much to pin. Although I do recommend getting acquainted with one.
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If you're taking anabolics and have a solid diet, you shouldn't gain fat when taking slin. Tinker around with it and run some T3. Even off cycle and without T3, I don't gain fat taking slin a few times a week. Just learn how to use it until you become intuitive enough to not need a BSL monitor to know when and how much to pin. Although I do recommend getting acquainted with one.
Yep. Stavios PM me if you want help with the insulin. Get some other guys opinions as well.
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Oh man, how far out were you?
Were you on T3? If not, maybe a touch of T3 for a month. Then use insulin as many days a week as you can without putting on too much fat. 2-3 times a day.
Just throwing out an idea.
I was 4 weeks out !
but I wasn't really set on doing the show, I dieted because I needed to. BADLY !!
yeah I was already on t3 ! And every fat burner you can think of ! lol
I'll keep it for a few weeks at 50 mcg
I think I will do more of a Isocaloric diet, and use carbs only around training.
usually off-season I eat a lot of protein and carbs and no healthy fats, I think that was the problem
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het stavios, when are you shooting ther gh and if you ran slin with it, would you run it together? im using 4iuis a day for gh and slin usually morning and pwo, im actually getting leaner lol
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het stavios, when are you shooting ther gh and if you ran slin with it, would you run it together? im using 4iuis a day for gh and slin usually morning and pwo, im actually getting leaner lol
i don't know yet, I was thinking taking them together but Milos said that's a bad idea
Milos says to take the hgh 1 hour before a meal of 2-3 hours before if I remember well.
But like Van Bilderass say I am not really sure it makes a difference as it take times to absorb the hgh
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Ok, fuck the dieting I won't do the show, I am around 9% bf I'd guess maybe a bit less, 200lbs in the morning.
I am getting back up to 220lbs this will be the heavier I will get until I diet down again to win some shows in the light-heavies next year.
what happened is that I started out at 18% bf so I am kind of stocked and I won't be able to get down to how I would like to look.
next time around I'll start dieting at 10% bf and I will be skinless 8)
So the cycle starting will be
1g enanthate a week
5 IU of HGH a day
maybe insulin but I am not sure yet because I don't want to get fat.
if anyone have a protocol that wouldn't make me fat and that would actually lead to more muscle, speak on this
this will be for this month, I should have some good gain after that I'll up the dosage.
I don't need to start too high as I have been dieting for 12 weeks already so I will have a good rebound
I will train 2 times per day
day 1: quads in the AM
Chest in the PM
day 2: hams in the AM
back in the PM
day 3: Calves, shoulders in the AM
Arms in the PM
day 4: Rest
Repete
just curious is that HGH premium or generic......... and if its premium how much does that run you using 5iu's a day
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Ok, fuck the dieting I won't do the show, I am around 9% bf I'd guess maybe a bit less, 200lbs in the morning.
I am getting back up to 220lbs this will be the heavier I will get until I diet down again to win some shows in the light-heavies next year.
what happened is that I started out at 18% bf so I am kind of stocked and I won't be able to get down to how I would like to look.
next time around I'll start dieting at 10% bf and I will be skinless 8)
So the cycle starting will be
1g enanthate a week
5 IU of HGH a day
maybe insulin but I am not sure yet because I don't want to get fat.
if anyone have a protocol that wouldn't make me fat and that would actually lead to more muscle, speak on this
this will be for this month, I should have some good gain after that I'll up the dosage.
I don't need to start too high as I have been dieting for 12 weeks already so I will have a good rebound
I will train 2 times per day
day 1: quads in the AM
Chest in the PM
day 2: hams in the AM
back in the PM
day 3: Calves, shoulders in the AM
Arms in the PM
day 4: Rest
Repete
Unless you really plan on going pro, do you really want to fool around with insulin? Besides the role it seems to be playing in the horrible, big gutted abominations we see today, consider the possibility that continued insulin use could (theoretically) cause your body to possibly produce less of it's own. Obviously, bodybuilders will argue that won't happen, but I am friends with an endocrinologist who believes that chronic insulin use could downgrade various insulin secreting cells in the pancreas and cause ireegularities in the alpha and gamma cells as well. If one did develop diabetes as a result, the complications of possible blindness, amputations wouldn't be worth it just so you could have "bigger" muscles.
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stavios insulin should make you fat.
eat things like white rice, white bread, non fat milk, egg whites, whey isolate....
keep it ZERO FAT
yeah but you don't think I need the essential fats in the off-season ?
after all fats are needed for the reconstruction of the membrane no ?
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how old are you stavios? insulin from now? :-\
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how old are you stavios? insulin from now? :-\
I am 21 bro !
I could drink beer in the states, I am old enough for slin ;D
honnestly I don't think insulin is that bad, in fact if it allows me to have better gains with less AAS I think it's healthier
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some fats are necessary...
but nto when insulin is active.. keep fats absolutely zero when youve got insulin going
the rest of the day... you dont have to have any more fats than what is contained in the meat you eat... so as long as every meal has some kind of dead animal muscle... then you are eatign enough fat
I will build my diet tonight and I'll post it so you can tell me what you think
I will try to keep it around 3500 calories for the start
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I am 21 bro !
I could drink beer in the states, I am old enough for slin ;D
honnestly I don't think insulin is that bad, in fact if it allows me to have better gains with less AAS I think it's healthier
i couldnt agree more my friend :) plus its cheaper too!! now if you do run slin, what will the gh/slin protocol youll use?
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I will build my diet tonight and I'll post it so you can tell me what you think
I will try to keep it around 3500 calories for the start
cant wait to see the diet and pics stavios, im sure u look fantastic!
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You must know the correct way to use insulin to 'safely' get its 'benefits.' If you don't know exactly what you are doing - don't try it.
I only workout and use Humalog four days per week (always preworkout; never during the rest of the day). It's only active in my body for approximatley 4 hours. So, I'm not very concerned about my pancreas, which still gets plenty of work the rest of the day and week. For example, one day a week is a pretty heavy carb up ~ 750 carbs ~ and I don't use insulin at all that day and have zero issues.
The first time I used Humalog, pharma GH, & T3 together with 600 mg of Test EW, 300 mg of Deca EW, and 50mg Stanozolol ED, I gained 20 lbs over the course of a few of months. My diet was perfect at about 4000 calories per day (425P, 400C, and 85F). My bodyfat actually went down because I didn't put on any fat during the cycle. It was an incredible combo.
You can still take EFAs. I eat three-four tablespoons of Udo's Choice Oil throughout the day (one per meal). But, like tbombz said, you just can't eat any fat whatsoever while the insulin is active. It WILL be stored as fat.
The only people who get fat using insulin are those who don't know what they are doing.
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I am 21 bro !
I could drink beer in the states, I am old enough for slin ;D
honnestly I don't think insulin is that bad, in fact if it allows me to have better gains with less AAS I think it's healthier
I don't think it's bad either. Aside from the risk of death if you're a moron. People seem to think that insulin and thyroid drugs are SOOO dangerous. People warn of diabetes and thyroid shut down, but if anything slamming shakes full of high GI carbs WITHOUT exogenous insulin spells danger. And about the thyroid, juicing is going to shut you down hard. Using a little bit of thyroid drugs will not do anything, because people don't go nuts on that shit like they do with the juice.
All internet fear mongering. Slin and T3 are fine if you have half a brain. Can't wait to see some new pics there, Stavios! Train hard, brother!
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starting with 5 IU before the workout
I'll have 100gr carbs and 75 grams protein shake that I will take before, during and after the workout.
should be enough, I am only training quads and nothing else
I'll see how it goes with 5 IU, I'll up it to 10 IU when I am comfortable
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starting with 5 IU before the workout
I'll have 100gr carbs and 75 grams protein shake that I will take before, during and after the workout.
should be enough, I am only training quads and nothing else
I'll see how it goes with 5 IU, I'll up it to 10 IU when I am comfortable
I'd go up in smaller increments. So, are you drinking three 100c/75p shakes? Or, are your three shakes that much in total?
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I'd go up in smaller increments. So, are you drinking three 100c/75p shakes? Or, are your three shakes that much in total?
no no only 1 shake that I will sip on.
is it ok ?
3 shakes like that would be way too many calories
also I will eat about 45m-1h after the workout.
lean proteins with about 50 grams of carbs
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no no only 1 shake that I will sip on.
is it ok ?
3 shakes like that would be way too many calories
also I will eat about 45m-1h after the workout.
lean proteins with about 50 grams of carbs
At 5 IU you should be fine, but always keep an extra carb drink close to you. At some point, as you increase the insulin you will need to add more carbs. Check your PM.
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ok so it went perfectly fine !!
5 IU is a small dose, didn't have no problem. no shaking no anything.
I am still working on my diet, I think my post workout meal will be 8 oz of chicken with 1 cup of rice
I am trying not to top 4000 calories a day
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ok so it went perfectly fine !!
5 IU is a small dose, didn't have no problem. no shaking no anything.
I am still working on my diet, I think my post workout meal will be 8 oz of chicken with 1 cup of rice
I am trying not to top 4000 calories a day
You will have some joint pain if it is real stuff. Elbow, wrists.
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You will have some joint pain if it is real stuff. Elbow, wrists.
go back to the gossip board
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You will have some joint pain if it is real stuff. Elbow, wrists.
my wrist and fingers have been hurting a bit since a few weeks.
I am on hgh since febuary
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my wrist and fingers have been hurting a bit since a few weeks.
I am on hgh since febuary
Does your face bloat on HGH? Mine does and it's annoying.
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Does your face bloat on HGH? Mine does and it's annoying.
yeah it bloats quite a bit !
but I naturally have a baby face, even onstage I have big cheeks :-\
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yeah it bloats quite a bit !
but I naturally have a baby face, even onstage I have big cheeks :-\
I wish there was something that could be done about that. I suppose just lowering the dose is the only option.
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abc, how much gh you taking?
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weight is up to 214 right now, it filled me out quite nicely !
now muscle gaining time ! :D
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abc, how much gh you taking?
To understand the dose you need to know the type of GH. It's Omnitrope by Sandoz, not Generic.
Right now I'm taking 4 IU per day as a maintainance dose. If I can't get the water retention in my face under control by drinking more water, eating less sodium and cleaning up my diet a bit, I will probably drop it to 3IU. I've gone as high as 8 or 9 IUs per day when trying to grow.
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did you notice a difference in lean gains when upping the HGH ?
a lot of dudes over at MD swear by 10iu a day but they all take generic too
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did you notice a difference in lean gains when upping the HGH ?
a lot of dudes over at MD swear by 10iu a day but they all take generic too
Keep in mind that 10iu of generic is probably equal to 6-7 iu of pharma. At least that's what I've heard. I have a friend that's been taking GH for YEARS and he say's growth starts at around 7iu+ with pharma quality stuff. Based on my experinence that seems true.
Yes, I did notice significant lean gains. Once I added the GH into the mix there was a noticable increase in synergy between with the GH, Humalog, T3 and anabolics. I had used Humalog before that, but didn't get the same gains as I did by adding in the GH. I would expect that you get the best gains the first time around with that combo.
Also, I wasn't taking anywhere near the amount of Test that you plan to take. I was taking 500-600mg of Test and Deca, and then switched to Prop and Tren Ace the last 8 weeks.
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Keep in mind that 10iu of generic is probably equal to 6-7 iu of pharma. At least that's what I've heard. I have a friend that's been taking GH for YEARS and he say's growth starts at around 7iu+ with pharma quality stuff. Based on my experinence that seems true.
Yes, I did notice significant lean gains. Once I added the GH into the mix there was a noticable increase in synergy between with the GH, Humalog, T3 and anabolics. I had used Humalog before that, but didn't get the same gains as I did by adding in the GH. I would expect that you get the best gains the first time around with that combo.
Also, I wasn't taking anywhere near the amount of Test that you plan to take. I was taking 500-600mg of Test and Deca, and then switched to Prop and Tren Ace the last 8 weeks.
yeah usually off-season I do only test so the doses are pretty high.
I did 6iu slin this morning with the same amount of carbs, everything went fine.
7iu tonight, we will see how it goes
I think I can go to 10iu with the same amount of carbs
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im gonna try gh soon. idk how much im getting, anywhere between 2 and 6 kits. if i get 2 i think ill just run 5iu per dayy... but if i get more ill do 10iu per day
you should try like 3iu a day for 3 months, I don't know why but apparently after 3 months you can up the dosage and get great results.
but for the first 3 months you will have the same results with 3 or 6iu
maybe someone can explain why, but from my own experience it seems true also
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what were you results after your firstt three months
nothign much, skin got much much better looking
that's pretty much it !
I don't know if it really helped fat loss that much, I started so fat that it was hard to evaluate
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yeah usually off-season I do only test so the doses are pretty high.
I did 6iu slin this morning with the same amount of carbs, everything went fine.
7iu tonight, we will see how it goes
I think I can go to 10iu with the same amount of carbs
You may be able to stay at the current carb level, but just keep in mind that you expend different amounts of energy each time you train, depending on intensity, etc. So, your current carbs may work one day, but not the next day, when you have a very hard long workout.
I gave you the 20iu guidlines for # of carbs in your pre and during shake. To be safe, you should extrapolate that backwards to figure out how many carbs you will need at 10iu. However, in the beginning I would shoot for a little higher than the target carb level just in case you are more sensitive than others. Once you get to your optimum slin dose, you can start to gradually decrease the carbs to find out what your minimum requirement is....make sense?
One other thing. You seem scared to eat too many carbs. Keep in mind that with a superphysialogical dose of insulin you will be able to eat more carbs around your workout than ever before because the glucose is crammed into your muscles beyond what you could natually handle. Basically you can store more glycogen than otherwise possible. So, don't be afraid of the carbs.
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You may be able to stay at the current carb level, but just keep in mind that you expend different amounts of energy each time you train, depending on intensity, etc. So, your current carbs may work one day, but not the next day, when you have a very hard long workout.
I gave you the 20iu guidlines for # of carbs in your pre and during shake. To be safe, you should extrapolate that backwards to figure out how many carbs you will need at 10iu. However, in the beginning I would shoot for a little higher than the target carb level just in case you are more sensitive than others. Once you get to your optimum slin dose, you can start to gradually decrease the carbs to find out what your minimum requirement is....make sense?
One other thing. You seem scared to eat too many carbs. Keep in mind that with a superphysialogical dose of insulin you will be able to eat more carbs around your workout than ever before because the glucose is crammed into your muscles beyond what you could natually handle. Basically you can store more glycogen than otherwise possible. So, don't be afraid of the carbs.
yeah it's not that I am afraid of the carbs, I am just afraid to get fat !!
so I try to stay at 4000 calories a day for the next 2 weeks, if I see I am not getting smooth I will up the carbs and slin !
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whats the diet?
at 400 cals per day...even if you ate 400g protei and 100g fat.... you still could eat 375 carbs...
stavy id shoot for like 300 protein, low fat as possible (try to get under 50 grams), and do like 600g carbs.
Ok here is my exact diet !
8h am meal 1: 2 whole grain bagel
2 scoops protein
2 tbsp nut oil
11h30 am meal 2: SHAKE 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
1h30 meal 3 (45 min after first workout): 8 oz chicken
1 cup rice
green veggies
4h30pm meal 4: shake 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
6h30pm meal 5: same as meal 3
11h30 pm meal 6 (just before going to bed): 8 oz salmon
salad
2 tbsp extra virgin olive oil
I take the fats as far as the slin as I can
this is a 4060 calories diet
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Ok here is my exact diet !
8h am meal 1: 2 whole grain bagel
2 scoops protein
2 tbsp nut oil
11h30 am meal 2: SHAKE 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
1h30 meal 3 (45 min after first workout): 8 oz chicken
1 cup rice
green veggies
4h30pm meal 4: shake 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
6h30pm meal 5: same as meal 3
11h30 pm meal 6 (just before going to bed): 8 oz salmon
salad
2 tbsp extra virgin olive oil
I take the fats as far as the slin as I can
this is a 4060 calories diet
Once you get your slin a little higher, I'd shoot for 400p, 400c, 75f. 80% of those carbs should be in the pre, during, and post workout shakes and solid meal 45 minutes later (oatmeal or barley and egg whites). The rest of the day should consist of lean protein, low gycemic carbs (beans for example), very fibrous veggies and tablespoon of EFAs.
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thanks for your help abc !!
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stavios, whats you training split like? you train twice per day?
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im curious about the carbs howcome so high? is that for a bulking diet? i know if i eat that much i start to look bloated and gain fat all over the body except legs arms
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stav... what do you do for a living???
how can you spend thousands and thousands on gear and train all day?
also, how much do you spend per year on roids? 40 grand?
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stav... what do you do for a living???
how can you spend thousands and thousands on gear and train all day?
also, how much do you spend per year on roids? 40 grand?
WHAT ???
are you kidding me ????
1g test a week = 30$
insulin = 30$ for a 10ml bottle that lasts forever
yeah I am rich :-\
and I don't train all day, those are short training sessions
1 in my lunch, 1 after work
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im curious about the carbs howcome so high? is that for a bulking diet? i know if i eat that much i start to look bloated and gain fat all over the body except legs arms
that's for a clean bulk
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stav... what do you do for a living???
how can you spend thousands and thousands on gear and train all day?
also, how much do you spend per year on roids? 40 grand?
hahahaha?
wtf are you paying for gear LOL... ::)
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stav doesnt use alot of gear, and maybe spends 2-300 a month on gh (maybe more) 1000g test per wk isnt expensive at all and slin, that shit will last ages! for the guys who spend tons of money on gear, sorry to hearyour wasting your money lol
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stav doesnt use alot of gear, and maybe spends 2-300 a month on gh (maybe more) 1000g test per wk isnt expensive at all and slin, that shit will last ages! for the guys who spend tons of money on gear, sorry to hearyour wasting your money lol
yop, nothing very expensive exept the hgh !
I made the maths and I actually spend less on AAS than what my friends spend at the bars
and I get something out of it ! 8)
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see bro, i have done the same, when i turned 21, im now 24, i went out alot and spent amd money at the bars and on girls lol im married, havent been to a bar for 5 months, very rarely drink, and i sepnd my money on gear! nothing expensive abuyt that at all compared to what my friends still do lol like you said, at least we are getting something positive out of it :)
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see bro, i have done the same, when i turned 21, im now 24, i went out alot and spent amd money at the bars and on girls lol im married, havent been to a bar for 5 months, very rarely drink, and i sepnd my money on gear! nothing expensive abuyt that at all compared to what my friends still do lol like you said, at least we are getting something positive out of it :)
we rock 8)
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Meal one is not a good choice for carbs, change to oatmeal. Your meals are too far apart with too much protein and carbs. Your bedtime meal is a not good for lasting protien throughout the night, Casin is best. I personally would space out 8 meals about every two hours with 50g of protien, giving your 400g. Too many protien drinks and not enough solid foods, either.
can you explain your points ?
1- why would oatmeal be better than whole grain bagel ?
because of the GI ? I think it doesn't do much of a difference myself, I feel GI in overrated
2- Why are my meals too far apart ? Layne Norton posted a study, I will have to find the link, that it changes absolutely nothing to eat every 2 hours or every 4-6 hours. In fact I think his athletes eat every 4 hours in the off-season
3- I agree with the too much protein drinks but I just can eat any protein in the morning it makes me want to puke. I don't think it makes that much of a difference where the protein comes from
I would like to hear your reasoning
thanks for giving your opinion !
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thanks Tbombz, I am still open about hearing his opinion on those points !
update: weight is back down to 202.4 lbs this morning (I go as high as 214 yesterday because of the water rentention from switching from keto to high carbs)
My traps, arms and legs blew the fuck up those past 2 days !
I actually look like a bodybuilder right now instead of a beach model.
I am shooting for a 1 lb gain a week, at this pace I shouldn't gain too much fat I think !
I should look pretty big by september
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thats great news stav!!!! keep up the great work!!
i agree on some of those points, i do use alot more shakes than some would recommend, again i dont think it matters where the protein comes from, i dont think ill be bigger and better with all chicken in my diet than half chcicken half shakes, i could be wrong but i havent noticed a difference, plus calories are calories!
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Ok here is my exact diet !
8h am meal 1: 2 whole grain bagel
2 scoops protein
2 tbsp nut oil
11h30 am meal 2: SHAKE 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
1h30 meal 3 (45 min after first workout): 8 oz chicken
1 cup rice
green veggies
4h30pm meal 4: shake 100gr carbs, 90gr proteins
6h30pm meal 5: same as meal 3
11h30 pm meal 6 (just before going to bed): 8 oz salmon
salad
2 tbsp extra virgin olive oil
I take the fats as far as the slin as I can
this is a 4060 calories diet
Diet looks good bro, id prolly agree with tdizzle and lower the protein in those shakes, 90grams is probably overkill.
Other than that i wouldnt change anything, i like the 3 hours between meals, and ur not eating a ton of food, which is important. U only need so much food to grow, after u get so much, it usually just makes ppl fat ( especially if you've had a problem with that already ).
good luck bro.
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remember the 90g shakes for stav is preworkout, during, and pwo so really its taking during a 1-11/2 time spand so really looking it at that way, its not alot
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your other post you mentioned you were on a 16 week primo cycle and it costed you about a few thousand dollars to run it...
just seeing how much you spent on roids in a year...
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your other post you mentioned you were on a 16 week primo cycle and it costed you about a few thousand dollars to run it...
just seeing how much you spent on roids in a year...
Asking the guy how much he spends on juice?? Why do you care ???
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why do you care that I care? huh?
I am curious to see how much others spend on juice, what the hell is wrong with that?
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why do you care that I care? huh?
I am curious to see how much others spend on juice, what the hell is wrong with that?
I dont know worm I would tell you to fuck off if you asked that question, its imature and rude. Where were you raised a barn? Try and have a bit of class, you come off as a bitter/jealous loser in this thread.
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it's ok Luv2hurt, thanks for sticking out for me !
TheWorm, I spend a lot on that cycle (primo and anavar) because I was experimenting.
yes it was expensive and no I wouldn't do cycles like that the whole year
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Stavios pics please >:(
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Yeah, Stavios, current pics would be great. I was really surprised that you are up to 15% bf. Are you sure you are that high?
I've seen you in contest shape before, but I can't remember where it was posted. So, contest pics would be great too.
Also, worm, I spend quite a bit on gear because it's as expensive as hell at my HRT clinic. Luckily, it's all covered since I'm hypogonadal. Even my GH at 4iu/day seven days per week ;)
But, I still pay for some of it out of my pocket even though I don't have too because I don't want to send too much in AAS charges through my insurance. I try to keep my submissions reasonable so I don't raise any red flags. The last thing I want is for them to stop paying for my US Pharma GH. ;D
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I am not 15% lol !
I was 18% febuary one, absolutely horrible shape.
now I am about 10% or so if I had to guess
in this pic from last year I'd guess I was about 8%bf
I just took a few pics with my cell but I don't know how to put em in the computer, I'll check it out later today
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You look very good in that picture, I seen you before. 18%? Keep you BF between 10-12% in the offseason.
yeah I fucked up ! ;D
actually, had I known I was even 14% I would have cut the food a bit !
but I didn't get my bodyfat tested at all for a few months so I got quite a shock ;D
I didn't look that fat even at 18%, I have long limbs and everything so all that fat didn't look that bad, I just looked SUPER smooth
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I am not 15% lol !
I was 18% febuary one, absolutely horrible shape.
now I am about 10% or so if I had to guess
in this pic from last year I'd guess I was about 8%bf
I just took a few pics with my cell but I don't know how to put em in the computer, I'll check it out later today
Look great there..nice shoulder to waist taper. Hope you don't lose that.
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ya stav, great pic!!! and for being so young!!!
i tried the slin at 10ius preworkout and it went great!! i was more pumped than i have been in awhile :)
and with the whole price thing, i can tell you i spend around 3k/yr and the bulk of that is gh lol i dont go to bars or party hard like i did when i turned 21 so extra money is nice and im hoping to make something out of this BB game, never know :) plus i work a real job 9-5 everyday so i can afford this pleasure
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Look great there..nice shoulder to waist taper. Hope you don't lose that.
i won't !
in fact, it will be increased cause waist will stay the same and shoulders will blow the fuck up 8)
I can guarantee that 8)
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ya stav, great pic!!! and for being so young!!!
i tried the slin at 10ius preworkout and it went great!! i was more pumped than i have been in awhile :)
and with the whole price thing, i can tell you i spend around 3k/yr and the bulk of that is gh lol i dont go to bars or party hard like i did when i turned 21 so extra money is nice and im hoping to make something out of this BB game, never know :) plus i work a real job 9-5 everyday so i can afford this pleasure
it's incredible isn't it ?
I was wondering if the pump came from the slin or the fact that I was Keto for so long and that my body was in shock, but the pumps I am getting are absolutely incredible
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thats the attitude ! :)
im going to be 280 in decent shape by august.. ;)
stavy if i could compete against you that would be amazing. of course right now you would destroy me, but maybe like 8 months ;D then itll be a good match. just dont go improving on me! :P
haha I don't destroy you at all bro, I'd post the pics I took with my cellphone but for some reason I am not able to send them on my email, I can only send them to another phone
weird
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I must me going hypo I can see shit anymore !!!
only red X ;D
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oh brother !!
give this guy some slin he looks like an ethiopian !! ;D
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Props man!!
You look gooood!!
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oh brother !!
give this guy some slin he looks like an ethiopian !! ;D
damn you are lean
You have similar structure to me... capped shoulders with smaller arms + forearms... I swear I can't get my forearms to grow LOL! no matter what hormones
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damn you are lean
You have similar structure to me... capped shoulders with smaller arms + forearms...
yeah it sucks man, my arms are actually pretty big in mesurement, they just have bad shape so they look small
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Great shoulders and immensely lean,keep it up man
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Looking good man!! Cool that put your pics up, good job. 8) Do you have a competition this year?
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Looking good man!! Cool that put your pics up, good job. 8) Do you have a competition this year?
nop I fucked up and couldn't get in shape fast enough lol
next year maybe !
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nop I fucked up and couldn't get in shape fast enough lol
next year maybe !
where are the pics? i dont see any
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I bet pussy is magnetized to you Stav? :)
Looking great.
8)
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Awesome Stav, wish I was that lean around the middle. Makes your sholders look huge. Good job.
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Awesome Stav, wish I was that lean around the middle. Makes your sholders look huge. Good job.
thanks !
I think for people who competes, it should be an off-season condition.
thats why I will try to not get much fatter than this, ever again
from those pics, I would need to drop at least 15 lbs to be in competition shape
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u look good bro, nice wide shoulders and big arms!!!
keep up the good work.
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OK so I did 10iu with the same carbs intake this morning and everything went fine !
I will keep upping the ius until I die
lol joke, but I think I can go to at least 15iu with 100gr carbs
pump is incredible btw and my weight goes up at least 10 lbs everyday from the glycogene and water.
when I go to sleep I am so full it's awesome, I'd like to be as full onstage.
sucks ass cause I lose all the cuts in my legs when I am this full
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OK so I did 10iu with the same carbs intake this morning and everything went fine !
I will keep upping the ius until I die
lol joke, but I think I can go to at least 15iu with 100gr carbs
pump is incredible btw and my weight goes up at least 10 lbs everyday from the glycogene and water.
when I go to sleep I am so full it's awesome, I'd like to be as full onstage.
sucks ass cause I lose all the cuts in my legs when I am this full
Be careful. Go up in 2iu increments from here. And, please have extra carbs around in case you get light headed, shaky and start sweating from low bloodsugar. Keep in mind that when you are hypo you don't necessarily think clearly.
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Be careful. Go up in 2iu increments from here. And, please have extra carbs around in case you get light headed, shaky and start sweating from low bloodsugar. Keep in mind that when you are hypo you don't necessarily think clearly.
yeah I have been increasing the dose my 1iu every workout or almost !
started at 5
I'll be careful :)
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I dont know worm I would tell you to fuck off if you asked that question, its imature and rude. Where were you raised a barn? Try and have a bit of class, you come off as a bitter/jealous loser in this thread.
oh i dont know maybe I can tell you to fuck off. I simply asked how much he spent on the cycle and that is "immature and rude?" There were whole threads asking how much people spent. Just thought it be interesting to find out when i hear primo and anavar for 16 weeks!!
so far man, you have been a horrible moderator. you moderate shit, and attack people. you put too much of your opinion in and your advice on gear has not been very impressive at all... I think maybe you are division, another prick, and just changed your name cause people outed you.
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oh i dont know maybe I can tell you to fuck off. I simply asked how much he spent on the cycle and that is "immature and rude?" There were whole threads asking how much people spent. Just thought it be interesting to find out when i hear primo and anavar for 16 weeks!!
so far man, you have been a horrible moderator. you moderate shit, and attack people. you put too much of your opinion in and your advice on gear has not been very impressive at all... I think maybe you are division, another prick, and just changed your name cause people outed you.
Hahahah comming from the dweeb who just talks about doing cycles and still cant decide what to do. Or posts a study to debate a tbombz post about test and gyno and his own post proves himself wrong LOL!!! one would wonder if worm might need some classes in reading comprehension or common sense. piss off worm! Im sure your name fits you. LOL
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Hahahah comming from the dweeb who just talks about doing cycles and still cant decide what to do. Or posts a study to debate a tbombz post about test and gyno and his own post proves himself wrong LOL!!! one would wonder if worm might need some classes in reading comprehension or common sense. piss off worm! Im sure your name fits you. LOL
That was pretty fucking funny worm. Didn't you read the study before you posted it?
Also, I think it was more they way you asked the question about $ and gear than the actual question itself. You sounded condecending.
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stav- your a beast
how tall are you? and how when was your first cycle?...of muscletech products i mean;D!
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Asking the guy how much he spends on juice?? Why do you care ???
i agree, this 'worm" character is annoying., BTW looking awesome Stav.
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ill tell ya guys, i have been doing kindof what stav and abc are doing, the slin preworkout and WOWOWOW it is great, i have seen improvements and the pumps are sick! since i have used slin numerous times, i started at 10ius poreworkout and everything went great, plus i have some gaterade on hand just in case but nothing remotly close to hypo so things are great
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wow, you dipshits are the reason why this board has really gone downhill... now i know why traps left.
bunch of 16 year old kids running the show here from their mom's basements.
its bad when tbombz is the most knowledgeable on this board!
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Worm calm down bro, it's all good !
everybody is cool
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wow, you dipshits are the reason why this board has really gone downhill... now i know why traps left.
bunch of 16 year old kids running the show here from their mom's basements.
its bad when tbombz is the most knowledgeable on this board!
:)
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very appropriate for a "mod"
very mature.
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Worm, we still luv ya man. Just admit you acted like an ass and let it go. Don't get your feelings hurt.
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believe me, i don;t get my feelings hurt by an internet message board! people like abc and overload are the only reasons why I stick around this sinking board.
i do think luv2hurt is Div, scared off by gh15 and the like (true pussy style!)
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believe me, i don;t get my feelings hurt by an internet message board! people like abc and overload are the only reasons why I stick around this sinking board.
i do think luv2hurt is Div, scared off by gh15 and the like (true pussy style!)
Well, thanks for the compliment.
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believe me, i don;t get my feelings hurt by an internet message board! people like abc and overload are the only reasons why I stick around this sinking board.
i do think luv2hurt is Div, scared off by gh15 and the like (true pussy style!)
Hahahha Shows even more your not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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MELTDOWN
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Epic Meltdown. 8)
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Epic Meltdown. 8)
no you "MELTDOWN"
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no you "MELTDOWN"
Epic Meltdown!!
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ok guys, lets get back to what this thread is all about. really the last two pages are all pickering.
i love the slin pre workout, besides stav and abc, who else uses this protocol? i was always using it post and felt very bervous using it before workouts but the pumps and the gains that i have got this wk have been great and stav has had soem damn good results too so thank you for starting this thread cause i have been using the idea and love it
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ok guys, lets get back to what this thread is all about. really the last two pages are all pickering.
i love the slin pre workout, besides stav and abc, who else uses this protocol? i was always using it post and felt very bervous using it before workouts but the pumps and the gains that i have got this wk have been great and stav has had soem damn good results too so thank you for starting this thread cause i have been using the idea and love it
I experimented with it post workout also before and I tought it sucked ass.
the pumps were not better, didn't feel it did shit for the recovery etc... exept getting fatter it didn't do shit.
now Pre-workout, that's another story !
Try drinking a fuck load of water also bro, it gets the pump and vascularity even crazier
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see thats what i have been noticing, the crazy pumps!!! i have carbs in me just in case during workout so i sip carbs throughout, i feel that is the key to the pumps so they have been very well plus with the addition of gh for me, i have bever used this combo, i think have been great so far!!!
stav anymore updates? anymore weight gain?