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Title: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 06:15:17 AM
College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009

COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.

TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader

Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.

“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.

Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.

That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.

The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.

“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.

A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.

“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.

The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.

Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.

“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.

One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.

Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.
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I though guns dont keep people safe?????

Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: BigNBloated on May 05, 2009, 06:55:33 AM
Epic balls. That guy should be given the key to the city. Laid those motherfuckers down dead without remorse. When people live like they do in Washington the threat of something like home invasion is non existant so they beleive everyone in America is fine without firearms. If you could have asked those gunman where they got their pieces I guarantee it wasn't from the local licensed gun shop.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: 240 is Back on May 05, 2009, 08:36:20 AM
Fuck yeah.  stories like that are awesome.

bad guys will always have guns - there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube.

Why disarm the good guys?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: The True Adonis on May 05, 2009, 08:40:53 AM
What does this have to do with Holder or Hillary?

Holder had no plans to take away guns.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
Yeah...Dems love guns.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 10:39:17 AM
What does this have to do with Holder or Hillary?

Holder had no plans to take away guns.

Of course not.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 05, 2009, 10:54:22 AM
What does this have to do with Holder or Hillary?

Holder had no plans to take away guns.

Where have you been?  Holder has made it very clear he wants another AWB, that and his past history of being very anti-gun.  I bet you think Obama isn't anti do you?  Even though his actions say otherwise.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: The True Adonis on May 05, 2009, 11:26:47 AM
Where have you been?  Holder has made it very clear he wants another AWB, that and his past history of being very anti-gun.  I bet you think Obama isn't anti do you?  Even though his actions say otherwise.
Quick Question, had their been an Assault Weapons Ban, would the outcome of the above story been any different given that they did not use an Assault Weapon?

If so, how and why?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on May 05, 2009, 12:14:53 PM
Good for him, this guy definitely deserves respect!
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 05, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Quick Question, had their been an Assault Weapons Ban, would the outcome of the above story been any different given that they did not use an Assault Weapon?

If so, how and why?

Possibly...depends on the weapon used as a new AWB would limit capacity and other things regarding firearms.  Also, a new AWB would limit how many, and effect the availability of such weapons.  If there was a ban and the firearm was purchased recently than yes, this story may have turned out differently.

The firearm used was not listed in the article so I can not answer your question accurately.  To be honest, your question was a loaded one.   ;D

Do you think Obama is truly for guns?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
Possibly...depends on the weapon used as a new AWB would limit capacity and other things regarding firearms.  Also, a new AWB would limit how many, and effect the availability of such weapons.  If there was a ban and the firearm was purchased recently than yes, this story may have turned out differently.

The firearm used was not listed in the article so I can not answer your question accurately.  To be honest, your question was a loaded one.   ;D

Do you think Obama is truly for guns?


Oh yeah, Obama is true 2nd amendment rights guy!
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 05, 2009, 12:41:04 PM

Oh yeah, Obama is true 2nd amendment rights guy!

I believe that actions speak louder than words...according to that belief, we have the most anti-gun administration in the history of this country.  Obama, Biden, Clinton, Holder, all with a very hard stance against the 2nd ammendment.

NRA or bust!
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 12:42:28 PM
I believe that actions speak louder than words...according to that belief, we have the most anti-gun administration in the history of this country.  Obama, Biden, Clinton, Holder, all with a very hard stance against the 2nd ammendment.

NRA or bust!

I joined the NRA on November 5, 2008.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: 240 is Back on May 05, 2009, 12:42:58 PM
I joined the NRA on November 5, 2008.

LOL... i bet they raised their prices too.   Great timing.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
25 bucks if u join this month and purchase a weapon.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: 240 is Back on May 05, 2009, 12:44:46 PM
25 bucks if u join this month and purchase a weapon.

LOL... who purchses their weapons on a dem watch?  why pay more?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 12:45:57 PM
I got a great deal on a S@W .40 XD. Guns are cheaper in Texas.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 05, 2009, 12:46:09 PM
LOL... who purchses their weapons on a dem watch?  why pay more?

I can't help it...I'm wanting a new hunting rifle.   ;D
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 12:46:12 PM
LOL... i bet they raised their prices too.   Great timing.

I paid $25.00 for the year.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 12:47:19 PM
I got a great deal on a S@W .40 XD. Guns are cheaper in Texas.

I just got a GSG-5 in .22 to mess around with.  Totally kick ass .22 since ammo is so expensive. 
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 05, 2009, 12:49:26 PM
Sweet!  Hopefully I'll have a new Remmington 700 SPS in my hands soon.  Then on to get something to get my CCW.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 12:52:34 PM
I just got a GSG-5 in .22 to mess around with.  Totally kick ass .22 since ammo is so expensive. 


How much did u pay. Before I left Kansas, they had one for 500.00 They look so cool.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 12:56:18 PM

How much did u pay. Before I left Kansas, they had one for 500.00 They look so cool.

$515.00. 

I put a ton of rounds through it this weekend. 

Eats ammo like no tommorow since its so fun to shoot.

Very accurate H&K iron sights too. 
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
Thats the going rate...did it come with extra mags or anything.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
Thats the going rate...did it come with extra mags or anything.

It came with one 10 round mag since in NY we have our own stupid laws here.  Standard is A 22 ROUND MAGAZINE. 

Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: The True Adonis on May 05, 2009, 01:05:23 PM
Possibly...depends on the weapon used as a new AWB would limit capacity and other things regarding firearms.  Also, a new AWB would limit how many, and effect the availability of such weapons.  If there was a ban and the firearm was purchased recently than yes, this story may have turned out differently.

The firearm used was not listed in the article so I can not answer your question accurately.  To be honest, your question was a loaded one.   ;D

Do you think Obama is truly for guns?
What is the next step up from Assault Weapons and where would you draw the line as acceptable weapons for the average citizen.  Surely you do not want them with the same weaponry as the US Army such as a SAW or a Grenade Launcher.

Pretend you are in charge of the gun law, where would YOU draw the line.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 01:10:12 PM
It's very hard and near impossible to get a automatic weapons license. But if u can, then sure. The guys who go to the knob Creek machine gun shoot..all have em. They have a guy who has the front of a Cobra gunship mounted to a pick-up truck..with the .30 as well. Another guy has a quad .50. These guys aren't the problem. A grenade launcher is a grenade launcher and not the same type of fire arm. U can't easily buy dynamite..same rules apply.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 01:10:35 PM
What is the next step up from Assault Weapons and where would you draw the line as acceptable weapons for the average citizen.  Surely you do not want them with the same weaponry as the US Army such as a SAW or a Grenade Launcher.

Pretend you are in charge of the gun law, where would YOU draw the line.

Tactical Nuclear projectile is my limit. ;D
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: The True Adonis on May 05, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
It's very hard and near impossible to get a automatic weapons license. But if u can, then sure. The guys who go to the knob Creek machine gun shoot..all have em. They have a guy who has the front of a Cobra gunship mounted to a pick-up truck..with the .30 as well. Another guy has a quad .50. These guys aren't the problem. A grenade launcher is a grenade launcher and not the same type of fire arm. U can't easily buy dynamite..same rules apply.
So where do you draw the line.  Certainly you do not want that kind of Weaponry driving through South Central Los Angeles and rival gangs turning California into Somalia and out gunning the cops, forcing taxes even higher as they compete in an arms race.

Where do you draw the line?  I would like to know your input on this since you have experience with heavy weaponry and few here do.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 01:14:46 PM
So where do you draw the line.  Certainly you do not want that kind of Weaponry driving through South Central Los Angeles and rival gangs turning California into Somalia and out gunning the cops, forcing taxes even higher as they compete in an arms race.

Where do you draw the line?  I would like to know your input on this since you have experience with heavy weaponry and few here do.

They already have AK's and Uzi's
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 01:19:05 PM
First off, neither one of us can walk in and buy an automatic. U have to file paper work and the feds are dicks as u can imagine. Gangs aren't going to be able to legally purchase them anyway. They already have plenty. They manage to get grenades and other things if they're connected to drug organizations outside the US. I don't need a rocket launcher so I guess u can draw the line there. But we can purchase a .50 Cal barret for between 5-7 grand. Not my thing, but cool I guess.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: The True Adonis on May 05, 2009, 01:22:50 PM
First off, neither one of us can walk in and buy an automatic. U have to file paper work and the feds are dicks as u can imagine. Gangs aren't going to be able to legally purchase them anyway. They already have plenty. They manage to get grenades and other things if they're connected to drug organizations outside the US. I don't need a rocket launcher so I guess u can draw the line there. But we can purchase a .50 Cal barret for between 5-7 grand. Not my thing, but cool I guess.
Thats probably where I would draw the line unless evidence arises that a particular Armament presents itself as an overwhelming threat to public safety.

Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Dos Equis on May 05, 2009, 01:25:54 PM
Good. 
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 01:26:54 PM
Thats probably where I would draw the line unless evidence arises that a particular Armament presents itself as an overwhelming threat to public safety.



Criminals dont spend 8 k on a .50 cal Barrett to knock off a bank. 
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: headhuntersix on May 05, 2009, 01:27:55 PM
No....and they're kinda ridiculous anyway, unless ur SEAL sniper trying to stop a truck or something.
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 05, 2009, 02:07:22 PM
No....and they're kinda ridiculous anyway, unless ur SEAL sniper trying to stop a truck or something.

I have an AR, AK, 10/22, Remi 870, etc.

Of all them, the GSG is really great to shoot without spending a ton of $$$$.

Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 06, 2009, 05:44:49 AM
What is the next step up from Assault Weapons and where would you draw the line as acceptable weapons for the average citizen.  Surely you do not want them with the same weaponry as the US Army such as a SAW or a Grenade Launcher.

Pretend you are in charge of the gun law, where would YOU draw the line.

The line has already been drawn as there are over 22,000 gun laws on the books.  HH6 is correct, you are making it sound like you can walk into a gun store and purchase these weapons...you can't.  To even own an automatic weapon you have to apply for a federal permit which is a 6 month process; that doesn't include fees and such. 

I honestly think that the "line" that we have now is just fine.  People make it sound like a bad thing just because a person is exercising their rights to own a handgun. (DC pre Supreme Court decision)  Gun laws only effect the law abiding citizen...not the criminal as by definition they do not follow the law.

What kind of weapons are you talking about?  Capacity etc?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2009, 05:49:46 AM
The line has already been drawn as there are over 22,000 gun laws on the books.  HH6 is correct, you are making it sound like you can walk into a gun store and purchase these weapons...you can't.  To even own an automatic weapon you have to apply for a federal permit which is a 6 month process; that doesn't include fees and such. 

I honestly think that the "line" that we have now is just fine.  People make it sound like a bad thing just because a person is exercising their rights to own a handgun. (DC pre Supreme Court decision)  Gun laws only effect the law abiding citizen...not the criminal as by definition they do not follow the law.

What kind of weapons are you talking about?  Capacity etc?

IN NY where I live, it took me 6 months just to get a handgun permit, background checks, FBI and State, NRA safety course, and even then its restricted to my home and the range.  They dont issue CCW.

After all that nonsense, does anyone really believe I am going to rob a bank?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: MRDUMPLING on May 06, 2009, 05:54:53 AM
IN NY where I live, it took me 6 months just to get a handgun permit, background checks, FBI and State, NRA safety course, and even then its restricted to my home and the range.  They dont issue CCW.

After all that nonsense, does anyone really believe I am going to rob a bank?

I hope not, that sure seems like a lot of trouble to go through to commit a violent act. 

Shame people don't realize that everything you went through is a violation of your 2nd ammendment rights.  It never states "jump through hoops" to exercise your right.  NY is a messed up state, only the rich are allowed to carry.  Do you write call your STATE representatives on a regular basis to make some noise about this?
Title: Re: This is what gun control is all about! - Someone tell AG Holder & Hillary.
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 06, 2009, 06:14:01 AM
I hope not, that sure seems like a lot of trouble to go through to commit a violent act. 

Shame people don't realize that everything you went through is a violation of your 2nd ammendment rights.  It never states "jump through hoops" to exercise your right.  NY is a messed up state, only the rich are allowed to carry.  Do you write call your STATE representatives on a regular basis to make some noise about this?

Where I live it is a one party dictatorship on the wrong side.