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Title: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: MB_722 on May 07, 2009, 06:33:13 PM


Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 07, 2009, 06:42:38 PM
Why does every retard with a computer think their opinions matter?

Tim McVey was a hero.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: pillowtalk on May 08, 2009, 08:55:41 AM
Why does every retard with a computer think their opinions matter?

Tim McVey was a hero.

Yeah, I mean who'da thunk of it, sheeeeeeeeeesh !! ::)
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 09:44:42 AM
You can't be serious hereford and i'll give you a chance to delete said post above.   
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 09:46:41 AM
Or what, pray tell...  >:(
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 09:53:38 AM
Or what, pray tell...  >:(

I'm not going to come fight you in a cage or anything.  But you honestly can't believe the loss of innocent people is justified and that this guy is some sort of 'good' person.  It'd be like saying 9/11 was justified.  Pure and utter nonsense.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:02:25 AM
I'm not going to come fight you in a cage or anything.  But you honestly can't believe the loss of innocent people is justified and that this guy is some sort of 'good' person.  It'd be like saying 9/11 was justified.  Pure and utter nonsense.

Most muslims think 9/11 was justified.  It all depends on your point of view

The Murrah building's purpose was as an administrative center for the ATF (the closest to a modern Gestapo that we have), and a public assistance (welfare) center. It was a legitimant target for someone violently opposing the government.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 10:14:01 AM
Most muslims think 9/11 was justified.  It all depends on your point of view

The Murrah building's purpose was as an administrative center for the ATF (the closest to a modern Gestapo that we have), and a public assistance (welfare) center. It was a legitimant target for someone violently opposing the government.

Your wasting your time.These people didnt blink an eye when the government decided that burning over 100 people at WACO was justified.Didnt blink an eye when the thug government shot down an innocent women and a child at Ruby Ridge, all in the name of diversity.They just think that McVeigh was some kook,but the all mighty government is our protector.They are outraged when someone finally says ENOUGH, but sleep great when the government steals peoples rights,liberty and very lives in an attempt to force everyone to live the way THEY dictate they should live and believe what they say you should believe.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:15:38 AM
Most muslims think 9/11 was justified.  It all depends on your point of view

The Murrah building's purpose was as an administrative center for the ATF (the closest to a modern Gestapo that we have), and a public assistance (welfare) center. It was a legitimant target for someone violently opposing the government.

And the children in the daycare centre i guess deserved it to?

Plus everyone in the ATF is a horrible person including the people who have nothing to do with policy enforcement and just do admin work to get by.  Same with the welfare people gosh they must have deserved it too.

Get a grip.    
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 10:18:54 AM
And the children in the daycare centre i guess deserved it to?

Plus everyone in the ATF is a horrible person including the people who have nothing to do with policy enforcement and just do admin work to get by.  Same with the welfare people gosh they must have deserved it too.

Get a grip.    

McVEIGH SAID THEY WERE CASUALTIES OF WAR.Nothing less,nothing more.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:19:02 AM
Your wasting your time.These people didnt blink an eye when the government decided that burning over 100 people at WACO was justified.Didnt blink an eye when the thug government shot down an innocent women and a child at Ruby Ridge, all in the name of diversity.They just think that McVeigh was some kook,but the all mighty government is our protector.They are outraged when someone finally says ENOUGH, but sleep great when the government steals peoples rights,liberty and very lives in an attempt to force everyone to live the way THEY dictate they should live and believe what they say you should believe.

Do you personally know that every person in the building mcveigh the loser bombed was for waco and ruby ridge?  because that's your justification.  It has nothing to do with saying ENOUGH and everything to do with killing innocent people.  Like i said to Hereford, Billy you must think 9/11 was justified do you? I mean you think this is because it's an attack on the government or is it only justified when it suits you?  You can't have it both ways billy.  Either this is BS unjustifiable or this and 9/11 were perpetrated by 'heros' of yours.  
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:19:45 AM
Oh, I have one already, thanks.

The kids were an unfortunate effect. Collateral damage. If you are going to use them as your defense then you have to condemn every military action since the beginning of history. I love how 'the kids' are always mentioned.... Very minor part of the whole picture.

The ATF is an illegitimate agency.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:20:03 AM
McVEIGH SAID THEY WERE CASUALTIES OF WAR.Nothing less,nothing more.

So if someone kills your child it's justified if they had some 'war' going on against the government?
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:21:41 AM
Do you personally know that every person in the building mcveigh the loser bombed was for waco and ruby ridge?  because that's your justification.  It has nothing to do with saying ENOUGH and everything to do with killing innocent people.  Like i said to Hereford, Billy you must think 9/11 was justified do you? I mean you think this is because it's an attack on the government or is it only justified when it suits you?  You can't have it both ways billy.  Either this is BS unjustifiable or this and 9/11 were perpetrated by 'heros' of yours.  

There is no connection between 9/11 and OKC.

McVey did not bomb the Murrah building to kill the kids. He was going after the ATF, and other federal agencies.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:22:38 AM
Oh, I have one already, thanks.

The kids were an unfortunate effect. Collateral damage. If you are going to use them as your defense then you have to condemn every military action since the beginning of history. I love how 'the kids' are always mentioned.... Very minor part of the whole picture.

The ATF is an illegitimate agency.

An 'unfortunate effect'.  This wasn't 'military action' it was terrorism.  Don't try to act like it's a 'war' it's got nothing to do with 'war' or the army or anything military.  It was some kook who decided to kill a bunch of innocent people because he was too pussy to go after anyone who could defend themselves.  

Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 10:26:26 AM
Do you personally know that every person in the building mcveigh the loser bombed was for waco and ruby ridge?  because that's your justification.  It has nothing to do with saying ENOUGH and everything to do with killing innocent people.  Like i said to Hereford, Billy you must think 9/11 was justified do you? I mean you think this is because it's an attack on the government or is it only justified when it suits you?  You can't have it both ways billy.  Either this is BS unjustifiable or this and 9/11 were perpetrated by 'heros' of yours.  

The reason he hated the government was Ruby Ridge and WACO.Thats a fact.Thats what drove him to this.Again I will ask you,where is your outrage over the looser government burning women and childeren in Waco or shooting innocent women and a kid in Ruby Ridge.Seems to be a bit of selective outrage on your part.

911 was justified in the minds of the terrorists.Doesnt matter if you or I think its justified.They thought that was teaching the US a lesson not to back Isreal and defile their Holy land.

Lastly.McVeigh was put to death for his crimes.Janet Reno ran for the senate.Seem like a fair system to you?
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:26:53 AM
There is no connection between 9/11 and OKC.

McVey did not bomb the Murrah building to kill the kids. He was going after the ATF, and other federal agencies.

And according to Osama Bin Laden he didn't go after the two towers to destory them completely.  He was quoted as saying the collapse wasn't part of his plan but a welcome effect.  Disgusting.  

The connection is the killing of innocent american's by people who think it's justifiable to kill innocent people to get their point across.  

Your view on OKC speaks volumes about your patriotism.  You have none.  You're a coward like mcveigh, like the 9/11 highjackers.  
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: 240 is Back on May 08, 2009, 10:27:40 AM
Most muslims think 9/11 was justified. 

Show me some evidence of this claim.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:30:40 AM
An 'unfortunate effect'.  This wasn't 'military action' it was terrorism.  Don't try to act like it's a 'war' it's got nothing to do with 'war' or the army or anything military.  It was some kook who decided to kill a bunch of innocent people because he was too pussy to go after anyone who could defend themselves.  



The ATF is an aggressive, prosecutorary federal agency. Just because they got caught does not mean they were defenseless. The ATF is against the people of this country on numerous levels. If you are in their employ, you are fair game to some one who moves against this agency. If you brought your kids into the line of fire, that is YOUR burden, nobody elses.

If you were a cook in the Army in Iraq right now, would you bring your kids over there based on the fact you wern't an active agressor? Would you say if 'wasn't fair' if you got attacked, that you 'couldn't defend yourself'??
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 10:31:33 AM
And according to Osama Bin Laden he didn't go after the two towers to destory them completely.  He was quoted as saying the collapse wasn't part of his plan but a welcome effect.  Disgusting.  

The connection is the killing of innocent american's by people who think it's justifiable to kill innocent people to get their point across.  

Your view on OKC speaks volumes about your patriotism.  You have none.  You're a coward like mcveigh, like the 9/11 highjackers.  

McVEIGH A COWARD?The guy backed up his beliefs with actions,got caught,didnt deny it,went to the death chamber with his head held high.Never appologised,never asked to be forgiven,never complained,didnt try to get stays or an appeal.He is one of the least cowardly people in thre history of this country.He also didnt throw his friends under the bus like our brave president does everytime he gets a chance.

By the way,flying a plane into a building, knowing your going to die, for your beliefs is exactly the opposite of a coward.In fact,I cant think of anything more hardcore then that.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:34:03 AM
And according to Osama Bin Laden he didn't go after the two towers to destory them completely.  He was quoted as saying the collapse wasn't part of his plan but a welcome effect.  Disgusting.  

The connection is the killing of innocent american's by people who think it's justifiable to kill innocent people to get their point across.  

Your view on OKC speaks volumes about your patriotism.  You have none.  You're a coward like mcveigh, like the 9/11 highjackers.  

You have no grounds to question my patriotism. I question yours since you are obviously of the opinion that the government is 100% correct and righteous.

Let me repeat myself... There was no connection between 9/11 and OKC.

As for the other question... Go you tube some Al-Jazeera clips.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:34:49 AM
The reason he hated the government was Ruby Ridge and WACO.Thats a fact.Thats what drove him to this.Again I will ask you,where is your outrage over the looser government burning women and childeren in Waco or shooting innocent women and a kid in Ruby Ridge.Seems to be a bit of selective outrage on your part.

911 was justified in the minds of the terrorists.Doesnt matter if you or I think its justified.They thought that was teaching the US a lesson not to back Isreal and defile their Holy land.

Lastly.McVeigh was put to death for his crimes.Janet Reno ran for the senate.Seem like a fair system to you?

How do you know my outrage about those events? This thread is about OKC.  Start a thread about those and i will post in that with my opinion.  If you're asking what it is i'll tell you.  I think both actions were disgustingly mishandled and there should have been criminal charges.  The fact there wasn't is a tarnish and black mark on all those involved.  

That however, doesn't justify the killing of innocent people.  I'll play devils advocate for a while on this though - if you want to harm the govt go after them they are in the senate, the white house, the pentagon.  FBI and ATF headquarters are made public.  Go after the perpetrators NOT innocent people.  That shows he's a coward and pussy as coward who has to go after innocent people because he doesn't have the balls to go after anyone else.  
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:37:26 AM
Quit calling names and realize that there are no innocents.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:38:02 AM
You have no grounds to question my patriotism. I question yours since you are obviously of the opinion that the government is 100% correct and righteous.

Let me repeat myself... There was no connection between 9/11 and OKC.

As for the other question... Go you tube some Al-Jazeera clips.

I have no such opinion.  I believe in democracy, in peaceful means to obtain goals and to sway the government.  

I can question it because you are of the mind that terrorism is okay and therefore 9/11 is justified.  

You like to say 'no connection' but anyone can see the connection.  terrorism on us soil committed by extremists.  You support it.  you are not patriotic and honestly, you're a disgrace to the united states of america.  I'm done discussing this with you.  
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 10:40:57 AM
McVEIGH A COWARD?The guy backed up his beliefs with actions,got caught,didnt deny it,went to the death chamber with his head held high.Never appologised,never asked to be forgiven,never complained,didnt try to get stays or an appeal.He is one of the least cowardly people in thre history of this country.He also didnt throw his friends under the bus like our brave president does everytime he gets a chance.

By the way,flying a plane into a building, knowing your going to die, for your beliefs is exactly the opposite of a coward.In fact,I cant think of anything more hardcore then that.

I am struggling to comprehend what i just read.  You're as bad as Hereford.  Absolute disgrace to the American people. 
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 10:48:12 AM
I have no such opinion.  I believe in democracy, in peaceful means to obtain goals and to sway the government.  

I can question it because you are of the mind that terrorism is okay and therefore 9/11 is justified.  

You like to say 'no connection' but anyone can see the connection.  terrorism on us soil committed by extremists.  You support it.  you are not patriotic and honestly, you're a disgrace to the united states of america.  I'm done discussing this with you.  

Here, maybe you can't hear me....

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 9/11 AND OKC!

Go tell 'anyone' that to say the two events are connected is like saying that since kcballer is a duchebag and got a speeding ticket, I am connected to him since I got a ticket too, 1500 miles away.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Deicide on May 08, 2009, 11:02:32 AM
Here, maybe you can't hear me....

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 9/11 AND OKC!

Go tell 'anyone' that to say the two events are connected is like saying that since kcballer is a duchebag and got a speeding ticket, I am connected to him since I got a ticket too, 1500 miles away.

Mexicans.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 11:06:04 AM
Might as well be... with kc's logic.

I'm sure the goddamn Mongorians are involved too somehow.....
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Soul Crusher on May 08, 2009, 11:17:27 AM
Quit calling names and realize that there are no innocents.

DHS, ATF, FBI, CIA, DEA, USMS, SS, Et al monitor sites.  Be careful what you say.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 11:17:43 AM
I am struggling to comprehend what i just read.  You're as bad as Hereford.  Absolute disgrace to the American people. 

Really?So defending or being friends with terrorists makes you a"disgrace to all Americans".Well,Obama is pals with William Ayers,who is EXACTLY the same as McVeigh,except he sucked at setting bombs[most libs have no skill at anything that actually works].Is Obama a disgrace to Americans?He became friends knowing that Ayers set bombs against government agencies?So,clearly you have the same opinion of Obama that do of me.

By the way,did Bill Ayers get punnished?Did JANET RENO get ounnished.She killed over 100 innocent Ameicans?Did the ATF agents get punnished for the killings at Ruby Ridge?The answer to all those are NO!!!Thats what causes a McVeigh.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 02:11:11 PM
Here, maybe you can't hear me....

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 9/11 AND OKC!

Go tell 'anyone' that to say the two events are connected is like saying that since kcballer is a duchebag and got a speeding ticket, I am connected to him since I got a ticket too, 1500 miles away.

The fact is YOU are sympathizing with a terrorist.  Its pretty easy to see you are unpatriotic.  Like i said you are of the mind that terrorism is okay and whether you verbally acknowledge it or not anyone with a mind can see you'll 'be able to see the terrorist side of things' when it comes to 9/11.  Gutless coward. 
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 02:17:38 PM
Really?So defending or being friends with terrorists makes you a"disgrace to all Americans".Well,Obama is pals with William Ayers,who is EXACTLY the same as McVeigh,except he sucked at setting bombs[most libs have no skill at anything that actually works].Is Obama a disgrace to Americans?He became friends knowing that Ayers set bombs against government agencies?So,clearly you have the same opinion of Obama that do of me.

By the way,did Bill Ayers get punnished?Did JANET RENO get ounnished.She killed over 100 innocent Ameicans?Did the ATF agents get punnished for the killings at Ruby Ridge?The answer to all those are NO!!!Thats what causes a McVeigh.

Billy firstly Obama and Ayers aren't 'friends'.  They were on a school board together with many other people.  This was after Ayers was no longer wanted by the FBI.  There is ZERO evidence of them being 'friends' in any sense of the word. 

I've never once said those people shouldn't have been punished have i? No.  Fact is they should have.  Those 168 innocent people however, shouldn't have. 

Fact is what causes a McVeigh is mental retardation to the degree that you think it's justified to kill innocent people.  This is a civilized country not some barbarian backwater.  It's people like McVeigh who remind me of another extremest group who resort to violence against innocent people because of some retardation in their brain.  I think they were responsible for 9/11 and are just are cowardly as McVeigh even though you might think it's a tough guy thing to do. 
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 08, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
Billy firstly Obama and Ayers aren't 'friends'.  They were on a school board together with many other people.  This was after Ayers was no longer wanted by the FBI.  There is ZERO evidence of them being 'friends' in any sense of the word. 

I've never once said those people shouldn't have been punished have i? No.  Fact is they should have.  Those 168 innocent people however, shouldn't have. 

Fact is what causes a McVeigh is mental retardation to the degree that you think it's justified to kill innocent people.  This is a civilized country not some barbarian backwater.  It's people like McVeigh who remind me of another extremest group who resort to violence against innocent people because of some retardation in their brain.  I think they were responsible for 9/11 and are just are cowardly as McVeigh even though you might think it's a tough guy thing to do. 

Obviously you are an Obama butt boy.He kicked off his political career in Bill Ayers living room!!!THATS A FACT!He is pals with Bill Ayers AFTER he knew he was a terrorist.Bill Ayers got off on a technicality.He has ADMITTED what he did and says to this day "I wish we had done more".So,before you knock me for getting behind McVeigh,knock your boy Obama for getting behind Bill Ayers.

"CNN later confirmed that Barack Obama indeed began his political career in the living room of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, despite his protestations to the contrary (confirmed beginning about 4:25 into the video below)."

Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: kcballer on May 08, 2009, 02:30:09 PM
Obviously you are an Obama butt boy.He kicked off his political career in Bill Ayers living room!!!THATS A FACT!He is pals with Bill Ayers AFTER he knew he was a terrorist.Bill Ayers got off on a technicality.He has ADMITTED what he did and says to this day "I wish we had done more".So,before you knock me for getting behind McVeigh,knock your boy Obama for getting behind Bill Ayers.

"CNN later confirmed that Barack Obama indeed began his political career in the living room of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, despite his protestations to the contrary (confirmed beginning about 4:25 into the video below)."



EDIT- Just looked into it further Investigations by the New York Times, CNN, and other news organizations concluded that Obama does not have a close relationship with Ayers. "We didn’t pal around, and I had nothing to do with his positions" - Ayers



The point isn't that though Billy.  The point is mcveigh is a cowardly loser who killed innocent people.  Regardless of the janet reno or the atf or any of that sh*t those people DID NOT deserve to die.  you can't justify it by saying 'waco' ruby ridge sh*t either, because those were horrible crimes but two wrongs DO NOT make it right. 
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: MB_722 on May 08, 2009, 03:08:42 PM
gimmicks  ::)
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hereford on May 08, 2009, 03:13:38 PM
Whose gimmick is kc?

And who else here would say I am a 'terrorist sympathizer'?  ::)
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Stormspirit on May 09, 2009, 09:09:20 AM
i dont think we can take down our government with violence, self sustainability and self defense is probably the best option.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: The Showstoppa on May 09, 2009, 10:06:15 AM
McVeigh was a punk bitch...if he was in some "war against the government" he should have attacked armed personnel, not a daycare center and a building full of admin people.  Those defending him are sickening.  And anyone who knows my posts, knows I am much further right than most of this board, but to label this clown as some type of hero is idiotic.  And don't insult the incident at Ruby Ridge as being remotely related to this dead piece of shit.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Hugo Chavez on May 11, 2009, 01:07:18 AM
wow, this thread went to shit.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: Deicide on May 11, 2009, 01:13:45 AM
Jews...all their fault.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: BM OUT on May 11, 2009, 06:59:58 AM
McVeigh was a punk bitch...if he was in some "war against the government" he should have attacked armed personnel, not a daycare center and a building full of admin people.  Those defending him are sickening.  And anyone who knows my posts, knows I am much further right than most of this board, but to label this clown as some type of hero is idiotic.  And don't insult the incident at Ruby Ridge as being remotely related to this dead piece of shit.

The events were not related,the events at Ruby Ridge and WACO are what caused McVaeighs rage at the government.By the way,McVeigh a punk bitch?The guy served his country and defended it in the military which is 1000000 times more then that gutless coward Obama has EVER done.
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: 24KT on May 11, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
Oh, I have one already, thanks.

The kids were an unfortunate effect. Collateral damage. If you are going to use them as your defense then you have to condemn every military action since the beginning of history. I love how 'the kids' are always mentioned.... Very minor part of the whole picture.

The ATF is an illegitimate agency.

From what I understand, no one from the ATF died that day, ...they were all off doing training exercises.

You may consider them an illegitimate agency, but what about the civilians who worked in the building,
or the toddlers in the day care centre? Do you consider them illegitimate people?
Title: Re: nice video from a former Vet on his views on Tim McVeigh
Post by: The Showstoppa on May 11, 2009, 03:10:55 PM
The events were not related,the events at Ruby Ridge and WACO are what caused McVaeighs rage at the government.By the way,McVeigh a punk bitch?The guy served his country and defended it in the military which is 1000000 times more then that gutless coward Obama has EVER done.

Billy, I agree about the Obama comparison.  Can't stand the blowhard.  But, McVeigh killing a bunch of kids and office workers does make him a punk bitch.  I don't care that he served, so did I, and the Ruby Ridge episode pissed me off.....and later the WACO fiasco did too, after I read more about it BUT to go and kill a bunch of kids and people just trying to work to take care of their families makes him a scumbag in my book.  Like I said, if he was sooo outraged why not take it out on ATF agents, etc....?  Because he knew there was no resistance and he took the easy way.  Glad the idiot is roasting in hell where he belongs.