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Some would say this is good news...I say it is BAD NEWS for america...WHY??? because that means the employment situation in america is getting so bad that even the Mexicans are not going and those who are there, more than likely will not be staying long...
Mexican Data Say Migration to U.S. Has Plummeted
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Eros Hoagland for The New York Times
The border near Campo, Calif. Mexican data show that emigration from Mexico to other countries declined by 25 percent in the year that ended in August 2008 from the preceding year.
By JULIA PRESTON
Published: May 14, 2009
MEXICALI, Mexico — Census data from the Mexican government indicate an extraordinary decline in the number of Mexican immigrants going to the United States.
Readers' Comments
The recently released data show that about 226,000 fewer people emigrated from Mexico to other countries during the year that ended in August 2008 than during the previous year, a decline of 25 percent. All but a very small fraction of emigration, both legal and illegal, from Mexico is to the United States.
Because of surging immigration, the Mexican-born population in the United States has grown steeply year after year since the early 1990s, dipping briefly only after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, census data in both countries show.
Mexican and American researchers say that the current decline, which has also been manifested in a decrease in arrests along the border, is largely a result of Mexicans’ deciding to delay illegal crossings because of the lack of jobs in the ailing American economy.
The trend emerged clearly with the onset of the recession and, demographers say, provides new evidence that illegal immigrants from Mexico, by far the biggest source of unauthorized migration to the United States, are drawn by jobs and respond to a sinking labor market by staying away.
“If jobs are available, people come,” said Jeffrey S. Passel, senior demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research group in Washington. “If jobs are not available, people don’t come.”
The net outflow of migrants from Mexico — those who left minus those who returned — fell by about half in the year that ended in August 2008 from the preceding year. The figures are based on detailed household interviews conducted quarterly by the census agency in Mexico, the National Institute of Statistics and Geography.
Along the border, the signs of the drop-off are subtle but ubiquitous. Only two beds are filled in a shelter here that houses migrants hoping to sneak into the United States. On the American side, near Calexico, Calif., Border Patrol vans return empty to their base after agents comb the desert for illegal crossers.
In recent weeks, the spread of swine flu in Mexico and the government’s response of shutting down schools and canceling public gatherings brought migration here and elsewhere nearly to a halt. But demographers expect the deep flu-related decline to be temporary.
With so many Mexicans remaining in their home villages, the population of illegal immigrants in the United States stopped growing and might have slightly decreased in the last year, an abrupt shift after a decade of yearly influxes, research by demographers in the United States shows. Mexicans account for 32 percent of immigrants in the United States, and more than half of them lack legal status, the Pew center has reported.
Still, at least 11 million illegal immigrants remain in the United States, the demographers say. Despite collapsing job markets in construction and other low-wage work, there has been no exodus among Mexicans living in the United States, the Mexican census figures show. About the same number of migrants — 450,000 — returned to Mexico in 2008 as in 2007.
Some researchers argue that the drop in crossings from Mexico proves that tough law enforcement at the border and in American workplaces can reduce illegal immigration in times of rising unemployment in the United States. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials stepped up factory and community raids last year, and the Border Patrol expanded its force by 17 percent in one year, to nearly 17,500 agents.
“The latest evidence suggests that you can reverse the flow,” said Steven A. Camarota, a demographer at the Center for Immigration Studies, a research group in Washington that calls for reduced immigration. “It is not set in stone, so with some mix of enforcement and the economy, fewer will come and more will go home.”
But Wayne Cornelius, the director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California, San Diego, predicted that if the United States job market revived, border enforcement would become much less of a deterrent.
The center has documented the causes of the decrease in Mexican migration though interviews this year with more than 1,000 Mexicans in California and in a Yucatán village that has been a source of migrants. In the interviews, all of the Mexicans who did set out from Yucatán for the United States reported that they eventually succeeded in crossing.
Mexicans are “not forgoing migration forever,” Professor Cornelius said. “They are hoping that the economy in the United States will improve.”
For now, though, Mexicans like José Luis Z., 16, of the state of Michoacán, are setting the trend. José Luis went to the Albergue del Desierto, a migrant shelter in Mexicali for minor boys, after setting out from home without telling his parents.
But when a job planting trees in Washington State fell through and he heard from migrants of increased patrolling along the border, he decided to head back home.
“I thought it would be easy, but now I see how people suffer,” said José Luis, who asked that his last name be withheld because he was a minor. He said he would go back to picking strawberries in Michoacán, if his furious father did not banish him.
“There is work back home,” José Luis said, “but it doesn’t pay anything.”
The enforcement buildup along the border, which started during the Bush administration, has made many Mexicans think twice about the cost and danger of an illegal trek when no job awaits on the other side, scholars said.
“There is a lack of certainty about jobs, so for the time being it is better to stay home,” said Agustín Escobar Latapí, a sociologist at the Center for Research in Social Anthropology in Guadalajara, Mexico.
Most immigrants now need smugglers to guide them through searing deserts and hidden mountain passes where there are gaps in Border Patrol surveillance. In Mexicali, smugglers’ fees are now $3,000 to $5,000 for a trip to Los Angeles, immigrants and social workers said. They reported that Mexicans’ relatives in the United States, struggling to hold on to their own jobs, no longer had money to lend to a family member to pay a smuggler.
Some here in Mexicali said they were not surprised by the low number of Mexicans coming back from the United States. “Our people are not stupid,” said Mónika Oropeza Rodríguez, the executive director of the Albergue del Desierto. “There may be a crisis in the United States, but they know that we have been in an economic crisis in Mexico for many years.”
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Could have fooled me. I was in Southern Cal last year and parts of it looked like Little Mexico. (That joke didn't go over too well when I said it in front of a few uptight liberals.)
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an up side lol...
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Could have fooled me. I was in Southern Cal last year and parts of it looked like Little Mexico. (That joke didn't go over too well when I said it in front of a few uptight liberals.)
Too bad for them.
I guess there's a good side to a shitty economy after all.
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Too bad for them.
I guess there's a good side to a shitty economy after all.
too bad they are still breeding like rats, 3/4 of the growth in hispanic population is from births in the US not immigration. we are committing suicide as a country allowing these third worlders to stay in this country and laws that give these illegals children born here citizenship. no developed country should be letting in such stupid people in so huge numbers, except on temporary workers permits. I honestly would not care if we gave these hispanics a part of the US as long as it meant we could keep them there, if we don't do something soon we will be third world, these people are not like us, even their children and childrens children.
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Some would say this is good news...I say it is BAD NEWS for america...WHY??? because that means the employment situation in america is getting so bad that even the Mexicans are not going and those who are there, more than likely will not be staying long...
I agree - 100% - NAILED - not a good Omen.
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I agree - 100% - NAILED - not a good Omen.
Yes it is a good omen. Anyone who lives near this chaos, like I do, sees the insanity of letting all these mexicans in here in the first place.
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Yes it is a good omen. Anyone who lives near this chaos, like I do, sees the insanity of letting all these mexicans in here in the first place.
Where do you live ??
Texas - new-Mexico - California - other.
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Where do you live ??
Texas - new-Mexico - California - other.
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I have a few detectives as friends and the stories they tell me of the drug problems, the gangs, are insane. They cost us $$$$ and cost our health care system too much $$$ as well.
Most of these bums only come here to work for cash to pay no taxes to send home. They drop babies on us whose mothers go on welfare and all sorts of social programs.
They also kept the labor market impossible for low level and low educated citizens.
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I have a few detectives as friends and the stories they tell me of the drug problems, the gangs, are insane. They cost us $$$$ and cost our health care system too much $$$ as well.
Most of these bums only come here to work for cash to pay no taxes to send home. They drop babies on us whose mothers go on welfare and all sorts of social programs.
They also kept the labor market impossible for low level and low educated citizens.
QFT.
I don't feel bad for people whose ancestors got conquered by Spaniards, the English, etc and then gave up or lost their land. Tough shit. These dirt bags weren't alive back then and they really should look at their country to fix their problems, not America. They don't fully assimilate into our culture even when they do get citizenship so why should people accept them? Too bad the politicians in this country don't have the balls to do something about it. We need a HUGE wall and thick field of mines behind it to keep these suckers out.
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Could have fooled me. I was in Southern Cal last year and parts of it looked like Little Mexico. (That joke didn't go over too well when I said it in front of a few uptight liberals.)
California is 62% Hispanics..so also is Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Utah. Mexico has moved North for sure.
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I have a few detectives as friends and the stories they tell me of the drug problems, the gangs, are insane. They cost us $$$$ and cost our health care system too much $$$ as well.
Most of these bums only come here to work for cash to pay no taxes to send home. They drop babies on us whose mothers go on welfare and all sorts of social programs.
They also kept the labor market impossible for low level and low educated citizens.
Hate to hurt your feelings, but the Mexicans were and are in every trade in america. The once prosperous field of carpentry, electrician, pipe fitters, highway/roadway construction, stone brick mason etc are under their control...if you add in tile layers, carpet and wood floor layers, sheet rock hangers/plasterers..they pretty much control whole industries. This was done to break the once profitable trades person positions and make the owners of the industries WEALTHY by using CHEAP LABOR.
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1/3 of them are on public assistance. Of course they are not going to go home.
Why work in mexico and work for jobs the pay 'nothing' when you can live in the US and do 'nothing' and be paid for it?
Now they are saying they can't leave because of increased US border enforcement? They aren't stopping them from LEAVING!
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1/3 of them are on public assistance. Of course they are not going to go home.
Why work in mexico and work for jobs the pay 'nothing' when you can live in the US and do 'nothing' and be paid for it?
Now they are saying they can't leave because of increased US border enforcement? They aren't stopping them from LEAVING!
Stop letting us know how stupid you are....stop making claims for things untrue
You think those WELL OFF Mexicans are standing on street corners because they are being paid so well they have nothing else to do?
Show anyone a Mexican anywhere that is doing nothing and is still being paid?
The vast majority of them are being paid half if not less than half the minimum wage, provided no insurance, no vacation days or off time, no job security to speak of. Think they have it so good...try being a MEXICAN for a week or two then come back to the board and tell us the results.
Mexicans are being KEPT in america for the cheap labor sake...america does not want its NEW SLAVE to leave the plantation
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Stop letting us know how stupid you are....stop making claims for things untrue
You think those WELL OFF Mexicans are standing on street corners because they are being paid so well they have nothing else to do?
Show anyone a Mexican anywhere that is doing nothing and is still being paid?
The vast majority of them are being paid half if not less than half the minimum wage, provided no insurance, no vacation days or off time, no job security to speak of. Think they have it so good...try being a MEXICAN for a week or two then come back to the board and tell us the results.
Mexicans are being KEPT in america for the cheap labor sake...america does not want its NEW SLAVE to leave the plantation
You fuc*ing idiot. Go to any WIC or public health clinic. Go to any public assistance or Social Security office and tell me what you see.
Better yet, read this:
Senate Amnesty Could Strain
Welfare System
Newest Data Shows Latin American Immigrants
Make Heavy Use of Welfare
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Contact: Steven Camarota
sac@cis.org
202-466-8185
WASHINGTON (June 6, 2007) — As they debate legalization for illegal immigrants, Senators would do well to keep in mind the most recent data on welfare use by the people in question. According to the Department of Homeland Security, nearly 60% of illegal aliens are from Mexico and 80% of the total are from Latin America as a whole. A Center for Immigration Studies analysis of 2006 Census Bureau data, which includes legal and illegal immigrants, shows use of welfare by households headed by Mexican and Latin American immigrants is more than double that of native households. Among the findings:
51% of all Mexican immigrant households use at least one major welfare program and 28% use more than one program.
– 40% use food assistance, 35% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
45% of all Latin American immigrant households use at least one welfare program and 24% use more than one program.
– 32% use food assistance, 31% use Medicaid, 6% use cash assistance.
20% of native households use at least one welfare program and 11% multiple programs.
– 11% use food assistance, 15% use Medicaid, 5% use cash assistance.
Among Mexican and Latin American households, welfare use is somewhat higher for households headed by legal, as opposed to illegal, immigrants. Thus legalization will likely increase welfare costs still further.
90% of Mexican and Latin American households have at least one worker. Their heavy welfare use reflects their low education levels and resulting low incomes – and not an unwillingness work.
– 61% of all Mexican immigrants have not graduated high school.
– 48% of all Latin American immigrants have not graduated high school.
There is a common but mistaken belief that welfare programs are only for those who don’t work. Actually, the welfare system is designed to provide low-wage workers, or more often their children, things like food assistance and health care. EVEN THE ONES THAT WORK SOMEWHERE CAN BE ON THE DOLE TOO!
It is the presence of their U.S.-born children coupled with their low education levels that explains why so many immigrant households use the welfare system.
Most recently arrived immigrants are barred from using welfare programs and this would likely apply to those legalized by the Senate bill – however this is not true in every state, nor does not apply to all programs. Most important, the bar does not apply to the U.S.-born children of immigrants, who are immediately eligible.
There are an estimated 1.4 million households headed by illegal aliens using at least one major welfare program. If even half these families returned to their home countries, the savings for taxpayers could be substantial.
If we do not wish to make a large share of illegals return to their home countries, then the United States has to accept the welfare costs. There is no other option.
Programs examined in the analysis are food stamps, WIC, school lunch, Medicaid, TANF, SSI, and public/rent-subsidized housing.
If Illegals Stay, So Will Welfare Costs: The heavy use of welfare by immigrants from those parts of the world that send the most illegals is relevant to the question of whether to allow illegal immigrants to stay or, alternatively, to enforce the law and cause them to return home. The figures reported above are drawn directly from the best government data available, and show that allowing illegals to stay creates significant welfare costs. Many of the welfare costs described above are due to the presence of U.S.-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, the prohibition on new immigrants using some welfare programs makes little difference because their U.S.-citizen children will continue to be eligible. We estimate that nearly 400,000 children are born to illegal aliens each year.
Welfare Use by Working Immigrant Families: Most immigrants from Mexico and Latin America hold jobs. Their heavy use of the welfare system is due to the fact that a very large share have little education and as a result are able to earn only low incomes in the modern American economy, even though they work. The welfare system is geared toward helping low-income workers, especially those with children. Their education levels and the presence of U.S.-born children means welfare use will be extensive.
Tax Payments: Of course, immigrants, including illegal aliens, also pay taxes. However, because of the education level and resulting incomes levels of Mexican and Latin American immigrants, their tax payments are much less than natives on average. The same is true for illegal aliens. In a 2004 study, the Center for Immigration Studies estimated that illegal alien households used about $2,700 more services than they paid in taxes at the federal level only. We also found that households headed by a legal Mexican immigrant created a net fiscal drain at the federal level of roughly $15,000, and for those with only a high school degree the drain was a little over $3,700. However, those with more education were a fiscal benefit. A new Heritage Foundation study estimated the net fiscal drain at all levels of government created by households headed by high school dropout immigrants at about $20,000 a year. A 1997 National Research Council study found the same pattern – less-educated immigrants create a net fiscal drain and educated immigrants create a net fiscal benefit.
Data Source: The data for this analysis come from the Annual Social and Economic Supplement of the Current Population Survey (CPS) collected by the Census Bureau in March of 2006. It includes legal immigrants and most illegal immigrants. Like the Department of Homeland Security, we distinguish legal from illegal immigrants based on the socio-demographic characteristics of those who responded to the survey. By design our estimates of illegal immigration closely match those of DHS.
Results are also broken out for the following states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, and Texas.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/welfarerelease.html
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The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research institute
which examines the impact of immigration on the United States.
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1/3 of them are on public assistance. Of course they are not going to go home.
Why work in mexico and work for jobs the pay 'nothing' when you can live in the US and do 'nothing' and be paid for it?
Now they are saying they can't leave because of increased US border enforcement? They aren't stopping them from LEAVING!
Pretty soon you'll be shotting them with a rifle. ;)
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Pretty soon you'll be shotting them with a rifle. ;)
Somebody has to uphold the law.
Sure as shit isn't going to be your elected officials.
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Somebody has to uphold the law.
Sure as shit isn't going to be your elected officials.
You get 'em boss, you give 'em one for Deicide!
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You get 'em boss, you give 'em one for Deicide!
Only if the're Christian.
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Only if the're Christian.
Those taco eating border runners are all Christian...
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So let me understand- This is a bad thing because people sneaking into the country illegally and taking American jobs, straning Americas healthcare system, correctional facilities, welfare, educational capabilities, law enforcement agencies and that by and large pay zero taxes- are not coming into the country as often?
Geesh. We better do something. ::)
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So let me understand- This is a bad thing because people sneaking into the country illegally and taking American jobs, straning Americas healthcare system, correctional facilities, welfare, educational capabilities, law enforcement agencies and that by and large pay zero taxes- are not coming into the country as often?
Geesh. We better do something. ::)
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California is 62% Hispanics..so also is Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Utah. Mexico has moved North for sure.
Where did you get that figure? According to this, its 35.9 percent. I won't bother looking up the rest of the states you listed.
Racial and ancestral makeup
According to the 2006 ACS Estimates, California's population is:
59.8% White American (43% non-Hispanic white, 16.8 White Hispanic),
12.3% Asian American,
6.2% Black or African American,
0.7% American Indian,
3.3% mixed, and 17.3% of some other race.
35.9% are Hispanic or Latino (of any race).
California has the largest population of White Americans in the U.S., an estimated 21,810,156 residents. The state has the fifth largest population of African Americans in the U.S., an estimated 2,260,648 residents. California's Asian population is estimated at 4.5 million, approximately one-third of the nation's 14.9 to 15.1 million Asian Americans. California's Native American population of 376,093 (but some estimates place it at one million) is the most of any state.[citation needed]
According to estimates from 2006, California has the largest minority population in the United States, making up 57% of the state population. Non-Hispanic whites decreased from 80% of the state's population in 1970 to 43% in 2006. [5] While the population of minorities accounts for 100.7 million of 300 million U.S. residents, 21% of the national total live in California.
Only New Mexico and Texas have higher percentages of Latinos, but California has the highest number of any U.S. state, and Hawaii has a higher Asian American percentage than California.
The largest named ancestries in California are Mexican (25%), German (9%), Irish (7.7%), English (7.4%) and Filipino (6%), but includes 65 other ethnicities from Albanian to Haitian to Pakistani to Somali. Both Los Angeles and San Francisco have large numbers of French, Italian, Portuguese, Russian and Scandinavian ancestry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
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More from that article:
Mexican Americans predominate in Southern California especially in Los Angeles, the city itself is said to be the largest Mexican community in the US since 1900). Also in the Imperial Valley on the US-Mexican border has the highest percentage (70-75%) of Latinos in the state, Riverside County especially in its eastern end are mostly Latino. The Central Valley (the majority of people in Madera, Fresno, Kern, Tulare and Yolo counties) and over 20% in parts of the San Francisco Bay Area like San Mateo, Napa Valley, Alameda and Santa Clara counties.
Most of the state's Latinos are of Mexican origin, but includes those of Caribbean (Cuban American and Puerto Rican), Central American (i.e. Guatemalan, Honduran, Salvadoran and Nicaraguan) and South American (i.e. Chilean, Colombian and Peruvian) groups. Latinos are the largest ethnic group in Los Angeles County at over 40 percent of the county's population, but they compose a sizable community in Bakersfield, Fresno, Sacramento, Oakland, San Jose, Long Beach, Anaheim, San Diego and Santa Ana where they compose 75 percent of the population.
Also, notice in Beach's post that of the 59.8% of white people, 16.8% are still calling themselves 'hispanic'. What does this mean? Are they referring to Iberians?
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More from that article:
Mexican Americans predominate in Southern California especially in Los Angeles, the city itself is said to be the largest Mexican community in the US since 1900). Also in the Imperial Valley on the US-Mexican border has the highest percentage (70-75%) of Latinos in the state, Riverside County especially in its eastern end are mostly Latino. The Central Valley (the majority of people in Madera, Fresno, Kern, Tulare and Yolo counties) and over 20% in parts of the San Francisco Bay Area like San Mateo, Napa Valley, Alameda and Santa Clara counties.
Most of the state's Latinos are of Mexican origin, but includes those of Caribbean (Cuban American and Puerto Rican), Central American (i.e. Guatemalan, Honduran, Salvadoran and Nicaraguan) and South American (i.e. Chilean, Colombian and Peruvian) groups. Latinos are the largest ethnic group in Los Angeles County at over 40 percent of the county's population, but they compose a sizable community in Bakersfield, Fresno, Sacramento, Oakland, San Jose, Long Beach, Anaheim, San Diego and Santa Ana where they compose 75 percent of the population.
Also, notice in Beach's post that of the 59.8% of white people, 16.8% are still calling themselves 'hispanic'. What does this mean? Are they referring to Iberians?
I've seen communities in Southern Cal that look about 90 percent Hispanic.
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They are just looking at the big towns that everyone knows about here. There are hundreds of small towns in the valley that are literally 95%+ mexican. They are completely overrun.
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Haha US is fu*ked. Listen to all you neo cons acting like the mexicans are to blame. If they weren't HIRED they wouldn't come would they? Think about it if no one hired them then they would have no reason to migrate north. The fact is mexicans are willing to do the job AMERICANS aren't. Face it how many of you grew up thinking it'd be okay to work at Taco Bell for the rest of your life? None. But the mexican workers are happy to do that because they know the money is better than back home and the employers will employee them.
It's a simple CAPITALIST idea. Cut the costs of labor without decreasing productivity. The businesses LOVE it (wal-mart, mcDonalds etc). It's like running a sweat shop in their own country without the hassle of finding workers overseas in third world countries, they come to you. They get cheap labor, no complaints (if they complain they're fired without recourse) and fatter profits. Surely you NEO CONS can see this is the way of Capitalism. If you don't like quit making it a republican-democrat issue because both parties are funded by companies making more and more money off the backs of illegal workers.
If it upsets you so much boycott the products and companies that use the illegal workers. Pay a fair price for your things instead of 'bargain' prices. The 'bargain' has to come from somewhere and it sure as sh*t ain't coming out of the top brass pockets that's for sure. Buy locally made, use locally sourced workers but no that's too hard lets blame obama, bush, mccain, or whoever else is around for this issue and not focus on who hires these people in the first place.
Don't blame the mexicans for doing the jobs you WON'T do, blame the companies for hiring them and giving them a reason to stay and work in the US. It seems you can't have it both ways. Either the mexicans go and you have a generation of americans doing cleaning, house keeping, fast food jobs and you agree to INCREASE the minimum wage for all americans so they can actually live to a decent standard for the rest of their lives OR you allow those from third world countries to do those jobs for the current wages and keep it status quo.
Of course that would mean you'd have to 'regulate' those companies and tell them what the minimum is they can pay their staff and you're probably opposed to that too so you have to make a concession somewhere neo-cons. Regulation and a fair wage or illegal immigration, no regulation and fatter pockets for the higher ups. Your call.
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Haha US is fu*ked. Listen to all you neo cons acting like the mexicans are to blame. If they weren't HIRED they wouldn't come would they? Think about it if no one hired them then they would have no reason to migrate north. The fact is mexicans are willing to do the job AMERICANS aren't. Face it how many of you grew up thinking it'd be okay to work at Taco Bell for the rest of your life? None. But the mexican workers are happy to do that because they know the money is better than back home and the employers will employee them.
It's a simple CAPITALIST idea. Cut the costs of labor without decreasing productivity. The businesses LOVE it (wal-mart, mcDonalds etc). It's like running a sweat shop in their own country without the hassle of finding workers overseas in third world countries, they come to you. They get cheap labor, no complaints (if they complain they're fired without recourse) and fatter profits. Surely you NEO CONS can see this is the way of Capitalism. If you don't like quit making it a republican-democrat issue because both parties are funded by companies making more and more money off the backs of illegal workers.
If it upsets you so much boycott the products and companies that use the illegal workers. Pay a fair price for your things instead of 'bargain' prices. The 'bargain' has to come from somewhere and it sure as sh*t ain't coming out of the top brass pockets that's for sure. Buy locally made, use locally sourced workers but no that's too hard lets blame obama, bush, mccain, or whoever else is around for this issue and not focus on who hires these people in the first place.
Don't blame the mexicans for doing the jobs you WON'T do, blame the companies for hiring them and giving them a reason to stay and work in the US. It seems you can't have it both ways. Either the mexicans go and you have a generation of americans doing cleaning, house keeping, fast food jobs and you agree to INCREASE the minimum wage for all americans so they can actually live to a decent standard for the rest of their lives OR you allow those from third world countries to do those jobs for the current wages and keep it status quo.
Of course that would mean you'd have to 'regulate' those companies and tell them what the minimum is they can pay their staff and you're probably opposed to that too so you have to make a concession somewhere neo-cons. Regulation and a fair wage or illegal immigration, no regulation and fatter pockets for the higher ups. Your call.
WITH THE HELP & ASSISTANCE OF THE US GOVT.
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Haha US is fu*ked. Listen to all you neo cons acting like the mexicans are to blame. If they weren't HIRED they wouldn't come would they? Think about it if no one hired them then they would have no reason to migrate north. The fact is mexicans are willing to do the job AMERICANS aren't. Face it how many of you grew up thinking it'd be okay to work at Taco Bell for the rest of your life? None. But the mexican workers are happy to do that because they know the money is better than back home and the employers will employee them.
It's a simple CAPITALIST idea. Cut the costs of labor without decreasing productivity. The businesses LOVE it (wal-mart, mcDonalds etc). It's like running a sweat shop in their own country without the hassle of finding workers overseas in third world countries, they come to you. They get cheap labor, no complaints (if they complain they're fired without recourse) and fatter profits. Surely you NEO CONS can see this is the way of Capitalism. If you don't like quit making it a republican-democrat issue because both parties are funded by companies making more and more money off the backs of illegal workers.
If it upsets you so much boycott the products and companies that use the illegal workers. Pay a fair price for your things instead of 'bargain' prices. The 'bargain' has to come from somewhere and it sure as sh*t ain't coming out of the top brass pockets that's for sure. Buy locally made, use locally sourced workers but no that's too hard lets blame obama, bush, mccain, or whoever else is around for this issue and not focus on who hires these people in the first place.
Don't blame the mexicans for doing the jobs you WON'T do, blame the companies for hiring them and giving them a reason to stay and work in the US. It seems you can't have it both ways. Either the mexicans go and you have a generation of americans doing cleaning, house keeping, fast food jobs and you agree to INCREASE the minimum wage for all americans so they can actually live to a decent standard for the rest of their lives OR you allow those from third world countries to do those jobs for the current wages and keep it status quo.
Of course that would mean you'd have to 'regulate' those companies and tell them what the minimum is they can pay their staff and you're probably opposed to that too so you have to make a concession somewhere neo-cons. Regulation and a fair wage or illegal immigration, no regulation and fatter pockets for the higher ups. Your call.
Apparently you brain dead LIBS haven't read any of the first page of the thread.
They don't NEED jobs, they have all kinds of welfare to subsist on. It's like letting rats in the pantry.... Then continually restocking it as the rats consume everything.... They aren't going to leave as long as you are facilitating them. Why should they?
They do make weak wages, that is for sure.. but how do you think they can live on what the average mexican makes? They can't! Where does the difference come from?
Hint: 333386 figured it out.....
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WITH THE HELP & ASSISTANCE OF THE US GOVT.
Stop fu*king blaming the govt. Yeah they allow it because they are paid to allow it by big business and it's good for big business.
Just quit blaming them and start doing something about it. like i said boycott the companies that use illegal labor, support small local business and pay more for the products you want, or continue on complaining like mad about it whilst the companies have no reason to stop hiring cause you keep buying, and the politicians have no reason to change anything because the campaign money will keep flowing.
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Stop fu*king blaming the govt. Yeah they allow it because they are paid to allow it by big business and it's good for big business.
Just quit blaming them and start doing something about it. like i said boycott the companies that use illegal labor, support small local business and pay more for the products you want, or continue on complaining like mad about it whilst the companies have no reason to stop hiring cause you keep buying, and the politicians have no reason to change anything because the campaign money will keep flowing.
Big Business loves these bums to keep wages down and they are protected by the US Govt failing to protect the borders and protect social assistance programs from only going to actual citizens.
If the US Gov, and the whole freaking "law enforcement" community simply did their damn job we would not have this problem.
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I don't approve of illegals getting welfare or any type of government assistance, but what I've seen is they by and large work very hard when they come here.
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Big Business loves these bums to keep wages down and they are protected by the US Govt failing to protect the borders and protect social assistance programs from only going to actual citizens.
If the US Gov, and the whole freaking "law enforcement" community simply did their damn job we would not have this problem.
But what exactly are you going to do about it? I've outlined what you can do. Punish the business that hires them. It seems to me you'd rather complain about someone else than do something tangible yourself.
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I don't approve of illegals getting welfare or any type of government assistance, but what I've seen is they by and large work very hard when they come here.
I don't agree with Illegals either but i too have seen just how hard they will work. They aren't 'lazy' as a whole. there are always exceptions but as a whole they aren't lazy. they don't come to america for welfare they come because people will hire them. those are the people you should go after and boycott. enough people do that, jobs dry up and what do you know. People stop coming north for work because their is none.
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We can shell Juarez from out motorpools. U want the problem solved, build a wall. U want to save billions, stop anchor babies and allowing them rights. Working and making American greenbacks is good enough.
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I don't agree with Illegals either but i too have seen just how hard they will work. They aren't 'lazy' as a whole. there are always exceptions but as a whole they aren't lazy. they don't come to america for welfare they come because people will hire them. those are the people you should go after and boycott. enough people do that, jobs dry up and what do you know. People stop coming north for work because their is none.
Apparently this guy has never been around any illegals. This sounds like college liberal regurgitation.
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But what exactly are you going to do about it? I've outlined what you can do. Punish the business that hires them. It seems to me you'd rather complain about someone else than do something tangible yourself.
I agree with you. However, you cant ignore the fact that the Govt is complicit in this chaos.
What can I do other than boycott those businesses, vote for anti-illegal immigration candidates, call and write my reps, etc?
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I don't agree with Illegals either but i too have seen just how hard they will work. They aren't 'lazy' as a whole. there are always exceptions but as a whole they aren't lazy. they don't come to america for welfare they come because people will hire them. those are the people you should go after and boycott. enough people do that, jobs dry up and what do you know. People stop coming north for work because their is none.
No one said they are lazy. Howevr, their presence here has an overall negative impact on the taxpayer.
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The folks coming across aren't lazy, its the next generation that starts the major problems.
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I agree with you. However, you cant ignore the fact that the Govt is complicit in this chaos.
What can I do other than boycott those businesses, vote for anti-illegal immigration candidates, call and write my reps, etc?
I know they're complicit. They have been since it started being a problem. The thing is though the government will always be complicit as long as business hires illegals workers and makes a profit from it. When that stops, they'll stop lobbying the government and they will then start to do something about it.
You could do any range of things available to you. The point is you can make a difference in your own world. you can encourage others to join you and make the right choices, inform them of the companies hiring illegal workers, use your right to purchase from those who don't hire them, use your right to protest as an american, and from there things can snowball. Makes more sense to me to do something, anything about it than do nothing.
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The folks coming across aren't lazy, its the next generation that starts the major problems.
This is usually the case.
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This is usually the case.
Look probably 50% of the illegals are decent people hard working etc. However, the other lot of creeps and bums does not justify to me giving total amnesty to the good 50% since whatever good they do is completely outweighed by the bad done by the other 50%.