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Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?
Any guesses?
1) The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?
2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?
3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?
What say you?
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Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?
Any guesses?
1) The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?
2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?
3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?
What say you?
I'd say the US dollar just about to be dumped Bigga Tima.
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Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?
Any guesses?
1) The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?
2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?
3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?
What say you?
1) islam is a religion promoting peace is it not? How can you be afraid of a group promoting the core islamic beliefs controlling a country?
2) Possibly this...
3) Possibly this...
But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down, news about Miss CA and Swine flu is what excites them.
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1) islam is a religion promoting peace is it not? How can you be afraid of a group promoting the core islamic beliefs controlling a country?
2) Possibly this...
3) Possibly this...
But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down, news about Miss CA and Swine flu is what excites them.
What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?
The religion of peace ::)
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But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down by the BBC
FUCKING POT - KETTLE - WTF !!
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Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?
Any guesses?
1) The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?
2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?
3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?
What say you?
ALL THREE !!
With 2/3 switched round, as far as importance 'IMO' of course.
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What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?
The religion of peace ::)
I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA.
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I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA.
The 'weapons grade' Uranium could though.
2 words = dirty bomb.
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I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA.
And it = foolish to think that the Taliban will gain control over them just by reaching Islamabad. There might be several other barriers to getting them, and there might be a security strategy of removing the nukes if the Taliban would actually get close to power.
The point is that the Taliban = not a rational player to save their lives. They are dictated by an extreme interpretation of a warmonging dogma, and the only way to asses their future actions is to look what they have done in the past (turning kids into suicide bombers, not being negotiable ect, just like their friends in Hamas who uses kids as human sheilds). If they get nukes, they would use them.
Therefore, IF they got them, Debussey think that responsible powers around the world would blow them into the land of 72 virgins as a preventive action. Even though this would mean civilian losses, the expected losses and human suffering if Taliban got to do whatever they wanted would be so much higher that such an action would be ethically defensable.
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What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?
The religion of peace ::)
Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".
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FUCKING POT - KETTLE - WTF !!
Yes yes, The Protocols of Zion aren't an hoax! ::)
Your IQ = sub/low 100s
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Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".
Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.
Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.
Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.
If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.
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What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?
The religion of peace ::)
Honestly I don't know, it would be a major bias in their arguments of surrounding (muslim) countries which probably wouldn't take much to align themselves with the Taliban agenda.
Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".
Have you looked into the Taliban control portions around that part of the World? Your facts and figures which seem to put things into perspective do not wash. The taliban entity is an unforgiving suicidal murdering machine. They don't care about their own deaths of their enemies and are absolutely not logical in what they do - but they are very effective nevertheless.
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Honestly I don't know, it would be a major bias in their arguments of surrounding (muslim) countries which probably wouldn't take much to align themselves with the Taliban agenda.
Have you looked into the Taliban control portions around that part of the World? Your facts and figures which seem to put things into perspective do not wash. The taliban entity is an unforgiving suicidal murdering machine. They don't care about their own deaths of their enemies and are absolutely not logical in what they do - but they are very effective nevertheless.
But what would Patrick Bateman do?
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But what would Patrick Bateman do?
Murder them, cut them to pieces and eat their spleens.
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But what would Patrick Bateman do?
Probably return some videotapes.
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Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.
Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.
Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.
If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.
Great post.
Logic doesn't apply to Muslim nutjobs because they've proven time and time again that they're completely irrational. I don't doubt for a second that the Taliban would, at the very least, hand over at least one of those nukes to their terrorist buddies.
You can't negotiate with them because Muslims only listen to violence. Look at who has done the best job controlling them in the Middle East. Dictators who rule through violence and fear. Got to keep the fundamentalism suppressed through violence of your own. That's the only way to reason with them. Look at Pakistan, for example. They give them the Sway Valley as an area for them to set up their Sharia Law and what do they do? They walk right into the next territory trying to take more. They won't be satisfied until the entire world is under Sharia (the ultimate goal of Islam).
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Murder them, cut them to pieces and eat their spleens.
But only after he showed them his new card...
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But only after he showed them his new card...
He'll have a slightly better haircut than them.
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He'll have a slightly better haircut than them.
And the only one with a rez at Dorsea...
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Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.
Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.
Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.
If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.
Hey, if you say the below idiots pose a threat to anyone outside of the stans, including the USA, then I give up:
(http://easyandy1webpage.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/taliban_fighters.jpg)
A few simple things:
1. Invading a country is impossible with sheer violence. To invade a country like Pakistan or Afghanistan you need cooperation, pacts, agreements with local leaders and most of all, some sort of popular support. This last variable is overlooked here in the states every single time. I mean taliban violence is nothing new to the Pakistanis or the Afghanis, they've had to endure worst fate with local warlords or outside invaders. And in most cases the local populace welcome the arrival of the taliban because they bring some sense of security that is nonexistant before their arrival.
2. There is a big, big difference between terrorism and war, between the taliban and al Qaeda, between sheer violence and planned suicide bombings. You seem to confuse all six and develop your version of the 1% doctrine from there on.
Cheers.
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Hey, if you say the below idiots pose a threat to anyone outside of the stans, including the USA, then I give up:
(http://easyandy1webpage.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/taliban_fighters.jpg)
A few simple things:
1. Invading a country is impossible with sheer violence. To invade a country like Pakistan or Afghanistan you need cooperation, pacts, agreements with local leaders and most of all, some sort of popular support. This last variable is overlooked here in the states every single time. I mean taliban violence is nothing new to the Pakistanis or the Afghanis, they've had to endure worst fate with local warlords or outside invaders. And in most cases the local populace welcome the arrival of the taliban because they bring some sense of security that is nonexistant before their arrival.
2. There is a big, big difference between terrorism and war, between the taliban and al Qaeda, between sheer violence and planned suicide bombings. You seem to confuse all six and develop your version of the 1% doctrine from there on.
Cheers.
Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow). Secondly, you don't seem to understand how intertwined the Taliban and AQ are. You should do some more reading.
I'm still at a loss as to what you think your picture proves. I'd understand if you were shooting for "nothing".
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Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow). Secondly, you don't seem to understand how intertwined the Taliban and AQ are. You should do some more reading.
I'm still at a loss as to what you think your picture proves. I'd understand if you were shooting for "nothing".
Slapper: BerzerkFury basically wrote Debussey's answer for it.
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The Taliban and other organizations allow AQ and alike groups to prep and plan for attacks. Their whole purpose is to destablize the West. Where have all these terrorists been trained? They may be from Saudi or Jordan or Yeman, but they train in these lawless countries. They get trigger time in Pakistan or Chechnya..train in Afghanistan etc. The average Afghni doesn't care what happens outside their village, they don't want the Taliban in any shape or form. Without the Taliban, the gov could police the lawless regions and enforce the law. The Taliban provided security and stability in their own barbaric way, after the Russians pulled out and various groups began fighting over the rubble.
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The Taliban and other organizations allow AQ and alike groups to prep and plan for attacks. Their whole purpose is to destablize the West. Where have all these terrorists been trained? They may be from Saudi or Jordan or Yeman, but they train in these lawless countries. They get trigger time in Pakistan or Chechnya..train in Afghanistan etc. The average Afghni doesn't care what happens outside their village, they don't want the Taliban in any shape or form. Without the Taliban, the gov could police the lawless regions and enforce the law. The Taliban provided security and stability in their own barbaric way, after the Russians pulled out and various groups began fighting over the rubble.
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Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow).
NOT surprising that bitchfury would change his usual " all muslims are terrorists n backwards" stance to fit his ajenda
what a cunny :-\
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Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow).
Of course I don't! Anyone who doesn't agree with you and the HH6 type hasn't "any idea" either. ::) ::) ::)
First off, I didn't say that the entire Pakistani population LOVED the idea of the taliban taking over their territory. YOU said that. What I was saying, before you took the entire comment out of context for the umpteenth time, was that the taliban's goingsabout have a rational motive behind it. By this I meant that they tend to move into territories that they perceive to have some sort of popular support in. In the case of Pakistan they do have a great deal of support in the Northwest Frontier province and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the Northern Areas (aka a "good" chunk of Pakistan), as well as in the Pakistani government. Note... Ah fuck, very BIG note: Islamabad is right next to these taliban-friendly territories, so them making "big" strides into getting into Islamabad (though they do want to) isn't really so, they are right next to it already.
Furthermore, support for sharia and many other "talibanistic" goals in Pakistan is growing, as this report (http://counterterrorismblog.org/2007/11/pakistan_and_islamism.php) states, "60 to 76 percent of its population seek to turn Pakistan into an Islamist, Sharia-based nation". Or this one (http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/blog/imm-articles/pakistan_sharia.html). I mean, the more you research opinion polls in Pakistan the more you get the sense that there is an eerily similarity between the goals of the taliban and those of the Pakistani population as a whole, and it's only a matter of time before the taliban will be able to cease upon this opportunity. Mark my words, the next elected official in Pakistan will have to introduce sharia or the taliban will. Not because the taliban want it, but because Pakistanis as a whole want it. The polls also tell us that Americans are not welcomed (no matter what Sammy Sosa says) in Pakistan.
Secondly, you don't seem to understand how intertwined the Taliban and AQ are. You should do some more reading.
No, I don't understand so please explain it to me with references. I do not trust your word.
I'm still at a loss as to what you think your picture proves. I'd understand if you were shooting for "nothing".
It proves I could take all those guys with my RWS. Had you posted a picture of a taliban holding a package full of anthrax with my name on it, or one holding a state of the art laser weapon wearing a suit that looks like it came out of Star Trek then I'd be scared shitless. What I see in the picture is a bunch of guys with the potential to kill, but not 7 billion people!!
You sure as hell not going to impress me by sending me a picture of you sitting right next to a Kalashnikov 5 thousand miles away.
I call it "logic".
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You sure as hell not going to impress me by sending me a picture of you sitting right next to a Kalashnikov 5 thousand miles away.
its not to impress you slapper..its meant to convey his fear of someone 5 thou miles away with a gun..
in short...he expects everyone to be a puss like himself :)
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Yes yes, The Protocols of Zion aren't an hoax! ::)
Your IQ = sub/low 100s
Proof they are ?? got any ?? tick - tock.................... ..
Are not a hoax, yes ??
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Murder them, cut them to pieces and eat their spleens.
I would go for the 'Adrenal gland' & chew on it some.
I think Debussey = would also (high as you can get !!)
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Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow).
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah shit !! the 'Twink' & I agree on some-thing (had to happen at some point I spose) :o :o ;D
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The Taliban provided security and stability in their own barbaric way, after the Russians pulled out and various groups began fighting over the rubble.
In their own, stone age 'Untermenchen' kinda way.
But they did cut 'opium production' right back - with a rag-tag militia.
Some-thing the 'mighty US military' - seems to have the old hands tied on - where are we now ?? up 3000% on 2003 harvests ?? :o :o ::)