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Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« on: May 17, 2009, 05:44:39 AM »
Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?

Any guesses?

1)  The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?

2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?

3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?

What say you?
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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2009, 07:28:36 AM »
Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?

Any guesses?

1)  The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?

2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?

3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?

What say you?

I'd say the US dollar just about to be dumped Bigga Tima.


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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 07:33:24 AM »
Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?

Any guesses?

1)  The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?

2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?

3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?

What say you?

1) islam is a religion promoting peace is it not? How can you be afraid of a group promoting the core islamic beliefs controlling a country?

2) Possibly this...

3) Possibly this...

But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down, news about Miss CA and Swine flu is what excites them.
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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 07:40:18 AM »
1) islam is a religion promoting peace is it not? How can you be afraid of a group promoting the core islamic beliefs controlling a country?

2) Possibly this...

3) Possibly this...

But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down, news about Miss CA and Swine flu is what excites them.


What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 07:49:11 AM »


But more likely: people are stupid and dumbed down
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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 07:51:16 AM »
Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that the recent spate of news we've seen is a blatant attempt to distract us. Swine Fu, Miss CA etc. The question is, ...what is the real deal? What is it they don't want us to know about?

Any guesses?

1)  The precarious situation in Pakistan where the Taliban is 100 miles outside of Islamabad and possibly about to get access to Pakistani nukes?

2) China on the verge of dumping the US Dollar?

3) Iran finalizing her deal to build a gas pipeline through Iran, Pakistan and India, making it a huge exporter of gas, and solidifying her power & influence in the region?

What say you?


ALL THREE !!

With 2/3 switched round, as far as importance 'IMO' of course.
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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 07:51:45 AM »

What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?

The religion of peace ::)

I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA. 


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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 07:57:59 AM »
I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA. 



The 'weapons grade' Uranium could though.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2009, 08:00:04 AM »
I dont think the delivery systerms of pak nukes could reach the USA. 




And it = foolish to think that the Taliban will gain control over them just by reaching Islamabad. There might be several other barriers to getting them, and there might be a security strategy of removing the nukes if the Taliban would actually get close to power.

The point is that the Taliban = not a rational player to save their lives. They are dictated by an extreme interpretation of a warmonging dogma, and the only way to asses their future actions is to look what they have done in the past (turning kids into suicide bombers, not being negotiable ect, just like their friends in Hamas who uses kids as human sheilds). If they get nukes, they would use them.

Therefore, IF they got them, Debussey think that responsible powers around the world would blow them into the land of 72 virgins as a preventive action. Even though this would mean civilian losses, the expected losses and human suffering if Taliban got to do whatever they wanted would be so much higher that such an action would be ethically defensable.

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2009, 08:02:26 AM »

What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?

The religion of peace ::)

Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".  

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2009, 08:13:16 AM »
FUCKING POT - KETTLE - WTF !!

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2009, 08:14:18 AM »
Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".  

Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.

Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.

Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.

If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.
 


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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 08:19:10 AM »

What do you think the Taliban would do if given access to nukes? "The entire world must succumb to Islam now or we will nuke every major city in the west?" Or would they go the indirect route and give nukes to their terrorist friends + orders to nuke out western cities?

The religion of peace ::)

Honestly I don't know, it would be a major bias in their arguments of surrounding (muslim) countries which probably wouldn't take much to align themselves with the Taliban agenda.

Well, I sincerely doubt that the Taliban, who amount to .0005% of the population (more or less), could make the entire world "succumb" to anything. The last thing the Taliban need right now is even 5% of the world population on survival mode after their islamic ass. So I'd say they do not pose a threat to anyone. That doesn't mean they can't do anything stupid, like doing something with a nuke or giving someone a nuke to detonate it on their behalf here or in Uzbekhistan, but that would mean their total anihilation, so I'd say they will spread violence to a certain point, but they will not cross "the dotted line".  

Have you looked into the Taliban control portions around that part of the World? Your facts and figures which seem to put things into perspective do not wash. The taliban entity is an unforgiving suicidal murdering machine. They don't care about their own deaths of their enemies and are absolutely not logical in what they do - but they are very effective nevertheless.
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 09:02:49 AM »
Honestly I don't know, it would be a major bias in their arguments of surrounding (muslim) countries which probably wouldn't take much to align themselves with the Taliban agenda.

Have you looked into the Taliban control portions around that part of the World? Your facts and figures which seem to put things into perspective do not wash. The taliban entity is an unforgiving suicidal murdering machine. They don't care about their own deaths of their enemies and are absolutely not logical in what they do - but they are very effective nevertheless.

But what would Patrick Bateman do?
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 09:07:37 AM »
But what would Patrick Bateman do?


Murder them, cut them to pieces and eat their spleens.

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 09:08:14 AM »
But what would Patrick Bateman do?

Probably return some videotapes.




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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 09:12:13 AM »
Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.

Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.

Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.

If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.
 



Great post.

Logic doesn't apply to Muslim nutjobs because they've proven time and time again that they're completely irrational. I don't doubt for a second that the Taliban would, at the very least, hand over at least one of those nukes to their terrorist buddies.

You can't negotiate with them because Muslims only listen to violence. Look at who has done the best job controlling them in the Middle East. Dictators who rule through violence and fear. Got to keep the fundamentalism suppressed through violence of your own. That's the only way to reason with them. Look at Pakistan, for example. They give them the Sway Valley as an area for them to set up their Sharia Law and what do they do? They walk right into the next territory trying to take more. They won't be satisfied until the entire world is under Sharia (the ultimate goal of Islam).

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2009, 09:13:14 AM »

Murder them, cut them to pieces and eat their spleens.

But only after he showed them his new card...
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2009, 09:14:46 AM »
But only after he showed them his new card...

He'll have a slightly better haircut than them.

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He'll have a slightly better haircut than them.

And the only one with a rez at Dorsea...
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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2009, 09:30:17 AM »
Debussey respectfully disagree with you here. Your post assumes that they are somewhat of a rational player, which = extremely doubtful. They won't be able to make the world "succumb" to anything, but it = very likely that they'd use nukes to cause as much damage as possible.

Just as an example: At this point a few thousand Taliban fuckers are trying to kick ass towards Islamabad. Their actual chances of success = very small, they encounter mass losses daily, but they are still willing to try (by destroying the lives of hundreds of thousands). This is not a sign of someone that won't cross "the dotted line". Neither is the normal "terrorist mind". A suicide bomber knows that if he blows himself up in a subway station, the actual damage will be very small, yet he does it (even though his end agenda = world domination of Islam, which makes suicide bombing a very ineffective strategy) due to his extremist beliefs, hate (which all these fuckers have plenty of) and to cause fear in the "opponent". There is little assurance to be found that the Taliban won't act on the same mindset if they get access to WMD, especially given the previous actions shown.

Even if the chance of Taliban going berzerk was 30%, the E(Damage) = 0,3*(damage from nukes) would justify annihilating them by any means necessary.

If anything, these morons can not be negotiated with. They must simply be destroyed by whatever means necessary.

Hey, if you say the below idiots pose a threat to anyone outside of the stans, including the USA, then I give up:



A few simple things:

1. Invading a country is impossible with sheer violence. To invade a country like Pakistan or Afghanistan you need cooperation, pacts, agreements with local leaders and most of all, some sort of popular support. This last variable is overlooked here in the states every single time. I mean taliban violence is nothing new to the Pakistanis or the Afghanis, they've had to endure worst fate with local warlords or outside invaders. And in most cases the local populace welcome the arrival of the taliban because they bring some sense of security that is nonexistant before their arrival.

2. There is a big, big difference between terrorism and war, between the taliban and al Qaeda, between sheer violence and planned suicide bombings. You seem to confuse all six and develop your version of the 1% doctrine from there on.

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Re: Ok, ...it's pretty obvious by now that...
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2009, 09:33:45 AM »
Hey, if you say the below idiots pose a threat to anyone outside of the stans, including the USA, then I give up:



A few simple things:

1. Invading a country is impossible with sheer violence. To invade a country like Pakistan or Afghanistan you need cooperation, pacts, agreements with local leaders and most of all, some sort of popular support. This last variable is overlooked here in the states every single time. I mean taliban violence is nothing new to the Pakistanis or the Afghanis, they've had to endure worst fate with local warlords or outside invaders. And in most cases the local populace welcome the arrival of the taliban because they bring some sense of security that is nonexistant before their arrival.

2. There is a big, big difference between terrorism and war, between the taliban and al Qaeda, between sheer violence and planned suicide bombings. You seem to confuse all six and develop your version of the 1% doctrine from there on.

Cheers.

Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow). Secondly, you don't seem to understand how intertwined the Taliban and AQ are. You should do some more reading.

I'm still at a loss as to what you think your picture proves. I'd understand if you were shooting for "nothing".

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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2009, 09:40:23 AM »
Not surprising, you have an awful grasp of the situation. First off, most of the Pakistani populace outside of the territories DO NOT want the Taliban anywhere near them. So no, most Pakistanis aren't welcoming the Taliban presence. They enjoy the fact that they can listen to music and watch movies (something the Taliban doesn't allow). Secondly, you don't seem to understand how intertwined the Taliban and AQ are. You should do some more reading.

I'm still at a loss as to what you think your picture proves. I'd understand if you were shooting for "nothing".


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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2009, 10:11:36 AM »
The Taliban and other organizations allow AQ and alike groups to prep and plan for attacks. Their whole purpose is to destablize the West. Where have all these terrorists been trained? They may be from Saudi or Jordan or Yeman, but they train in these lawless countries. They get trigger time in Pakistan or Chechnya..train in Afghanistan etc. The average Afghni doesn't care what happens outside their village, they don't want the Taliban in any shape or form. Without the Taliban, the gov could police the lawless regions and enforce the law. The Taliban provided security and stability in their own barbaric way, after the Russians pulled out and various groups began fighting over the rubble.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2009, 10:15:39 AM »
The Taliban and other organizations allow AQ and alike groups to prep and plan for attacks. Their whole purpose is to destablize the West. Where have all these terrorists been trained? They may be from Saudi or Jordan or Yeman, but they train in these lawless countries. They get trigger time in Pakistan or Chechnya..train in Afghanistan etc. The average Afghni doesn't care what happens outside their village, they don't want the Taliban in any shape or form. Without the Taliban, the gov could police the lawless regions and enforce the law. The Taliban provided security and stability in their own barbaric way, after the Russians pulled out and various groups began fighting over the rubble.
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