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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bodybuilder1234 on May 19, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
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Are you able to achieve a physique that exceeds the potential of a natural?
Which are the best ones and what do you recommend?
Are the worth it?
Discuss
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down the drain
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How far can you go with prohomornes?
About as far as you can go without them.
Use real gear or don't bother.
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How far can you go with prohomornes?
if you have to ask,it's more than likely that you're not gonna believe the people who tell ya anything but what you want to hear.....
and you're gonna buy them anyways !
so I'm not gonna answer your question...
because it's stupid...
and you're stupid....
and you can go to hell because I hate you !
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About as far as you can go without them.
Use real gear or don't bother.
;)
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so I'm not gonna answer your question...
because it's stupid...
and you're stupid....
and you can go to hell because I hate you !
You forgot to add "hope this helps" to the end.
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I used some stuff back in the day. While I experienced incredible strength gains, it didn't really do shit for my physique. I just looked like a guy who worked out a few times a week to stay in shape. Of course, I'd kill to have that 'shitty look' today, but that's a separate, old man story.
Very little bang for the buck, so you'd be better off getting the real shit.
Note: I am not suggesting that you break any laws.
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Probably get as far as liver and renal failure
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Any muscleman worthy of the name should have pin cushions for shoulders, quads, and glutes. None of this pro-hormones bullshit.
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Any muscleman worthy of the name should have pin cushions for shoulders, quads, and glutes. None of this pro-hormones bullshit.
BOOM :D
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BOOM :D
Spike-approved.
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I'M SURE there toxic enough to liver over prolonged use,and not knowing what or where there made of.5/10 lbs versus 20/30/40 with real anabolics u do the math.
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well, in the old days before the 2004 Ban, some of these Prohormones were not bad at all. M1T being the all time favorites
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'real' prohormones became illegal in the USofA a few years back. the things being sold on your favorite supplement website with steroidy sounding names are worthless.
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Pro hormones ( SUPERBOL/SUPERANADROL, HAVOK, MT1) are bona fide steroids.
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'real' prohormones became illegal in the USofA a few years back. the things being sold on your favorite supplement website with steroidy sounding names are worthless.
Don't let Bob hear you say that. Those products, along with their "homeopathic GH," are very effective... at getting naive young guys to part with their cash!
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'real' prohormones became illegal in the USofA a few years back. the things being sold on your favorite supplement website with steroidy sounding names are worthless.
"prohormones" are cholestrol, saturated fat, hcg. things that make your body produce hormones.
the stuff that was sold as "prohormones", we not pro hormones but steroids. yes all of them have been made illegal, but every time they put one of them on the banned list, a chemist comes out with a new steroid that they havent put on the banned list yet, and they start selling it as a "prohormone" untill it gets banned.
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"prohormones" are cholestrol, saturated fat, hcg. things that make your body produce hormones.
the stuff that was sold as "prohormones", we not pro hormones but steroids. yes all of them have been made illegal, but every time they put one of them on the banned list, a chemist comes out with a new steroid that they havent put on the banned list yet, and they start selling it as a "prohormone" untill it gets banned.
True that.
They actually synthesised many steroids in the 50s and 60s.
Only a tiny portion of them were released due to side effects, difficulty factor in producing them or there was something better out there.
These are now being "rediscovered" as prohormones.
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Note: I am not suggesting that you break any laws.
It's best to live dangerously!
"prohormones" are cholestrol, saturated fat, hcg. things that make your body produce hormones.
the stuff that was sold as "prohormones", we not pro hormones but steroids. yes all of them have been made illegal, but every time they put one of them on the banned list, a chemist comes out with a new steroid that they havent put on the banned list yet, and they start selling it as a "prohormone" untill it gets banned.
All the Superdrols and Halodrols and M1Ts were really always illegal. The companies selling them are taking a chance, still risking lawsuits for stuff they have sold previously. That's why you don't see big companies selling them. And even the small companies start a small shell company (or whatever it's called) to sell their "prohormone". When it starts to get too much attention they dump it.
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I used some stuff back in the day. While I experienced incredible strength gains, it didn't really do shit for my physique. I just looked like a guy who worked out a few times a week to stay in shape. Of course, I'd kill to have that 'shitty look' today, but that's a separate, old man story.
Very little bang for the buck, so you'd be better off getting the real shit.
Note: I am not suggesting that you break any laws.
The pro-hormones from 2000-2004 were the real deal. The One-Test compounds such as 1-AD, T-Bomb (original), Animal TEST, M ONE-T etc... were 2 Legit 2 Quit!
Those had an actual real impact on your physiology. They were real a real anabolic. Totally real.
What we have on the market today are mere shells of their great ancestors from 5-6 years ago. Very very little if any results. Probably more beneficial for women or men age 45 and older. If anything at all.
Use the real thing or nothing at all. Train hard, eat like a super-king, get some sleep and do it all over again and forget about gains. It will all just fall into place.
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The pro-hormones from 2000-2004 were the real deal. The One-Test compounds such as 1-AD, T-Bomb (original), Animal TEST, M ONE-T etc... were 2 Legit 2 Quit!
Those had an actual real impact on your physiology. They were real a real anabolic. Totally real.
What we have on the market today are mere shells of their great ancestors from 5-6 years ago. Very very little if any results. Probably more beneficial for women or men age 45 and older. If anything at all.
Use the real thing or nothing at all. Train hard, eat like a super-king, get some sleep and do it all over again and forget about gains. It will all just fall into place.
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The ones available today are more potent. Even Patrick Arnold says so and he's like the father of prohormones.
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The pro-hormones from 2000-2004 were the real deal. The One-Test compounds such as 1-AD, T-Bomb (original), Animal TEST, M ONE-T etc... were 2 Legit 2 Quit!
Those had an actual real impact on your physiology. They were real a real anabolic. Totally real.
What we have on the market today are mere shells of their great ancestors from 5-6 years ago. Very very little if any results. Probably more beneficial for women or men age 45 and older. If anything at all.
Use the real thing or nothing at all. Train hard, eat like a super-king, get some sleep and do it all over again and forget about gains. It will all just fall into place.
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I probably wasn't using enough. No one ever told me to triple the dose back then. lol
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The ones available today are more potent. Even Patrick Arnold says so and he's like the father of prohormones.
for example?
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im 6'0 ..252...16% bf...all pro hormones...dont have enough money to buy the hot sauce yet...
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im 6'0 ..252...16% bf...all pro hormones...dont have enough money to buy the hot sauce yet...
don't worry, you'll grow overnight ;)
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for example?
I don't keep track of them but the Superdrol for example. And the Tren-whatever. Patrick said that his 1-AD could never compete with that and he could have made a bunch of more effective compounds but he wanted to be DSHEA compliant (meaning the compound must be found in nature - I think the 1-AD was found in urine or shit of some animal lol). Patrick actually did make a couple of compounds that were just as legal as the Superdrols etc - the norbolethene and THG. But due to the way they were used he got the heat. He's a bit pissed there's so many companies selling steroids just as "legal" as those but he was the one with the legal problems.
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Are you able to achieve a physique that exceeds the potential of a natural?
Which are the best ones and what do you recommend?
Are the worth it?
Discuss
I thought you said you were happy with your physique, just wanted bigger arms
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I thought you said you were happy with your physique, just wanted bigger arms
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I was really just curious Earl, maybe in a few years I might want to take the bodybuilding route more seriously
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I don't keep track of them but the Superdrol for example. And the Tren-whatever. Patrick said that his 1-AD could never compete with that and he could have made a bunch of more effective compounds but he wanted to be DSHEA compliant (meaning the compound must be found in nature - I think the 1-AD was found in urine or shit of some animal lol). Patrick actually did make a couple of compounds that were just as legal as the Superdrols etc - the norbolethene and THG. But due to the way they were used he got the heat. He's a bit pissed there's so many companies selling steroids just as "legal" as those but he was the one with the legal problems.
Aren't these oral Steroids as opposed to "Prohormones"??
The whole discussion is BS, nobody would doubt that for example Dianabol is a powerful steroids that brings some results. Superdrol, M1T, Tren-whatever is just the same, only not from a pharma company but a supplement company -- oral steroids.
im 6'0 ..252...16% bf...all pro hormones...dont have enough money to buy the hot sauce yet...
Are you telling me you have money for overpriced supplements (oral steroids) but not for steroids?
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Do you hardcore guys really count the oral/'legal' stuff as being steroids?
Not that I'm trying to be a member of the cool kids club, just wondered whether YOU put them in a similar category.
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Do you hardcore guys really count the oral/'legal' stuff as being steroids?
Not that I'm trying to be a member of the cool kids club, just wondered whether YOU put them in a similar category.
IMO, not inserting them to oral steroids would be just lack of knowledge or pure ignorance. If you look at the chemical build, they ARE steroids, nothing else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohormone#Methyl_1-testosterone_.28M1-T.29
Methyl 1-testosterone (M1-T)
* Characteristics:
o similar to testosterone except instead of a 4,5-double bond it has a 1,2-double bond.
o has about 20% oral bioavailability compared with less than 5% for testosterone
o non-aromatizing to estrogen or DHT
o has irritative properties making it too painful to inject, and has extremely bitter taste, making transcutaneous topical solutions the only practical human delivery method. It was commercialized this way in the United States before 2005, when it became illegal together will all other prohormones.
* History: 1-T was discovered in the 1950s, explored as a potential anabolic product by the pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle, but not commercialized at the time due to difficulty in delivery.
* Also considered a steroid
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Thanks, DK. Not that I attach any sort of stigma to steroids or their use, but when my friend referred to my supps as 'legal steroids' (she was laughing at the time), I honestly didn't feel they qualified for that status. In case you can't tell, I do consider real AAS users to be 'cool' and worthy of great respect and admiration. When I consider the fact that what I take is available OTC and isn't going to result in me being subjected to a search by police, I honestly don't feel it rates the same status. I know people don't use for the status...I'm just saying that I don't see anything hardcore about taking something that anyone can.
That said, I'm addicted to the strength gains, so I'm going to continue their use.
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Thanks, DK. Not that I attach any sort of stigma to steroids or their use, but when my friend referred to my supps as 'legal steroids' (she was laughing at the time), I honestly didn't feel they qualified for that status. In case you can't tell, I do consider real AAS users to be 'cool' and worthy of great respect and admiration. When I consider the fact that what I take is available OTC and isn't going to result in me being subjected to a search by police, I honestly don't feel it rates the same status. I know people don't use for the status...I'm just saying that I don't see anything hardcore about taking something that anyone can.
That said, I'm addicted to the strength gains, so I'm going to continue their use.
Well, so basically you are saying Arnold wasn't cool back in the day because Dianabol was legal and that steroid users are "hardcore"??
That's totally ridiculous. If you want to know if something is a steroid or not, you look at the chemical build and compare it to other steroids. Some of the OTC stuff is crap, used to make money with fancy names, but some of them are potent oral steroids. Actually, M1T is a lot more potent than a lot of "real steroids", also the side effects are the same.
The only difference is, and that is why YOU are much more hardcore than some pussy roid users is:
YOU are taking steroids that have NEVER been tested, or have been revoked for being not usable in phamaceutics. They are produced in some supplement company whose standards are FAR from standards for the production of medication for human use.
These steroids are on the market without having gone through years long of testing on animals, in vitro, in controlled double blind studies but are marketed right away.