How far can you go with prohomornes?

[Van_Bilderass]

for example?

I don't keep track of them but the Superdrol for example. And the Tren-whatever. Patrick said that his 1-AD could never compete with that and he could have made a bunch of more effective compounds but he wanted to be DSHEA compliant (meaning the compound must be found in nature - I think the 1-AD was found in urine or shit of some animal lol). Patrick actually did make a couple of compounds that were just as legal as the Superdrols etc - the norbolethene and THG. But due to the way they were used he got the heat. He's a bit pissed there's so many companies selling steroids just as "legal" as those but he was the one with the legal problems.

[Earl1972]

Are you able to achieve a physique that exceeds the potential of a natural?
Which are the best ones and what do you recommend?
Are the worth it?

Discuss

I thought you said you were happy with your physique, just wanted bigger arms

E

[bodybuilder1234]

I thought you said you were happy with your physique, just wanted bigger arms

E

I was really just curious Earl, maybe in a few years I might want to take the bodybuilding route more seriously

[DK II]

I don't keep track of them but the Superdrol for example. And the Tren-whatever. Patrick said that his 1-AD could never compete with that and he could have made a bunch of more effective compounds but he wanted to be DSHEA compliant (meaning the compound must be found in nature - I think the 1-AD was found in urine or shit of some animal lol). Patrick actually did make a couple of compounds that were just as legal as the Superdrols etc - the norbolethene and THG. But due to the way they were used he got the heat. He's a bit pissed there's so many companies selling steroids just as "legal" as those but he was the one with the legal problems.

Aren't these oral Steroids as opposed to "Prohormones"??

The whole discussion is BS, nobody would doubt that for example Dianabol is a powerful steroids that brings some results. Superdrol, M1T, Tren-whatever is just the same, only not from a pharma company but a supplement company -- oral steroids.

im 6'0 ..252...16% bf...all pro hormones...dont have enough money to buy the hot sauce yet...

Are you telling me you have money for overpriced supplements (oral steroids) but not for steroids?

[Tre]

Do you hardcore guys really count the oral/'legal' stuff as being steroids?

Not that I'm trying to be a member of the cool kids club, just wondered whether YOU put them in a similar category.

[DK II]

Do you hardcore guys really count the oral/'legal' stuff as being steroids?

Not that I'm trying to be a member of the cool kids club, just wondered whether YOU put them in a similar category.

IMO, not inserting them to oral steroids would be just lack of knowledge or pure ignorance. If you look at the chemical build, they ARE steroids, nothing else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohormone#Methyl_1-testosterone_.28M1-T.29

Methyl 1-testosterone (M1-T)

    * Characteristics:
          o similar to testosterone except instead of a 4,5-double bond it has a 1,2-double bond.
          o has about 20% oral bioavailability compared with less than 5% for testosterone
          o non-aromatizing to estrogen or DHT
          o has irritative properties making it too painful to inject, and has extremely bitter taste, making transcutaneous topical solutions the only practical human delivery method. It was commercialized this way in the United States before 2005, when it became illegal together will all other prohormones.
   
* History: 1-T was discovered in the 1950s, explored as a potential anabolic product by the pharmaceutical company G.D. Searle, but not commercialized at the time due to difficulty in delivery.
    * Also considered a steroid

[Tre]

Thanks, DK.  Not that I attach any sort of stigma to steroids or their use, but when my friend referred to my supps as 'legal steroids' (she was laughing at the time), I honestly didn't feel they qualified for that status.  In case you can't tell, I do consider real AAS users to be 'cool' and worthy of great respect and admiration.  When I consider the fact that what I take is available OTC and isn't going to result in me being subjected to a search by police, I honestly don't feel it rates the same status.  I know people don't use for the status...I'm just saying that I don't see anything hardcore about taking something that anyone can. 

That said, I'm addicted to the strength gains, so I'm going to continue their use. 

[DK II]

Thanks, DK.  Not that I attach any sort of stigma to steroids or their use, but when my friend referred to my supps as 'legal steroids' (she was laughing at the time), I honestly didn't feel they qualified for that status.  In case you can't tell, I do consider real AAS users to be 'cool' and worthy of great respect and admiration.  When I consider the fact that what I take is available OTC and isn't going to result in me being subjected to a search by police, I honestly don't feel it rates the same status.  I know people don't use for the status...I'm just saying that I don't see anything hardcore about taking something that anyone can. 

That said, I'm addicted to the strength gains, so I'm going to continue their use. 

Well, so basically you are saying Arnold wasn't cool back in the day because Dianabol was legal and that steroid users are "hardcore"??

That's totally ridiculous. If you want to know if something is a steroid or not, you look at the chemical build and compare it to other steroids. Some of the OTC stuff is crap, used to make money with fancy names, but some of them are potent oral steroids. Actually, M1T is a lot more potent than a lot of "real steroids", also the side effects are the same.

The only difference is, and that is why YOU are much more hardcore than some pussy roid users is:

YOU are taking steroids that have NEVER been tested, or have been revoked for being not usable in phamaceutics. They are produced in some supplement company whose standards are FAR from standards for the production of medication for human use.

These steroids are on the market without having gone through years long of testing on animals, in vitro, in controlled double blind studies but are marketed right away.