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If he would have never retired in 1975, he would have gone on to win in 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983. Lee Haney would have been TOO much for Arnold to handle. So in total, he would have won 14 Mr. Olympias in all.
A better question would be, if Arnold continued to improve upon his 1974 showing and not been distracted by Hollywood, what would he have looked like by the early 80's (he was only 33 in 1980)?
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I'd say 1972 - 1990. Only Yates would have derailed him.
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I'd say 1972 - 1990. Only Yates would have derailed him.
Curious to why you left out 1970 and 1971?
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Opps, my mistake. Include those years as well.
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Opps, my mistake. Include those years as well.
HAHA...Okay ;)
You honestly think that 1986 Lee Haney would not have destroyed 1974 Arnold?
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He would NEVER been stopped 8)
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He would NEVER been stopped 8)
Stopped never he would? ;D
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He would NEVER been stopped 8)
what not even by your sexual fantasy Kevin Levrone ::)
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what not even by your sexual fantasy Kevin Levrone ::)
It is really strange when you are a fucking gay and you think all people like you ???
Schmoe bastard = Akbr Khnaith :-X
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Stopped never he would? ;D
Na, never he stopped would !! ;D
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It is really strange when you are a fucking gay and you think all people like you ???
Schmoe bastard = Akbr Khnaith :-X
epic closet homosexuality ::)
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Arnold can only lose to Arnold.
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I would guess all the way through the 70's and 80's.
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I agree with every year except '83 ,i think samir would have been a fight ,samir's 83 win to me represent's an athlete showing up and peaking at the right time when it counted the most on the biggest night ever ! probably one of the most "true" wins in BB history.
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I agree with every year except '83 ,i think samir would have been a fight ,samir's 83 win to me represent's an athlete showing up and peaking at the right time when it counted the most on the biggest night ever ! probably one of the most "true" wins in BB history.
The show is rife with politics, so how many Schwarzie would have "won" is completely irrelevant as it's not a legit contest every year. Some yes, some no. Anyone who wants to speculate about Schwarzenegger should be smart and then include Oliva in all of the 70s shows too, knowing he and Nubret would've been in and won some of those shows if they'd known the judging would be fair.
Samir's a classic example; he was physically the second best guy on stage that day but what Weider will never admit is that personality is part of the criteria for winning, as in some beauty contests. Which is ok but should be admitted and in the rules. If the best guy won in '83 they would've had a murderer as mr. olympia.
Haney would not have been able to beat any of the very top ex-Olympia winners in fair contests and did not beat any great BBs who were in shape.
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(http://i39.tinypic.com/9gyp11.jpg)
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The show is rife with politics, so how many Schwarzie would have "won" is completely irrelevant as it's not a legit contest every year. Some yes, some no. Anyone who wants to speculate about Schwarzenegger should be smart and then include Oliva in all of the 70s shows too, knowing he and Nubret would've been in and won some of those shows if they'd known the judging would be fair.
Samir's a classic example; he was physically the second best guy on stage that day but what Weider will never admit is that personality is part of the criteria for winning, as in some beauty contests. Which is ok but should be admitted and in the rules. If the best guy won in '83 they would've had a murderer as mr. olympia.
Haney would not have been able to beat any of the very top ex-Olympia winners in fair contests and did not beat any great BBs who were in shape.
Ha ha ha ha Samir was the second best bodybuilder in 83 ::) indicative of your ignorance and bias Samir was hands down the best bodybuilder on stage in 1983 . I know you have an affinity for ebony bodybuilders but spare us all your bull shit with the politics ALL of the men you keep pushing have ALL done well in the IFBB if contests are fixed than every contest Robby , Sergio , Serge , Fox and any other black guy you love ALL received the same gifts , you can't have it both ways even if thats the way you swing
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Ha ha ha ha Samir was the second best bodybuilder in 83 ::) indicative of your ignorance and bias Samir was hands down the best bodybuilder on stage in 1983 . I know you have an affinity for ebony bodybuilders but spare us all your bull shit with the politics ALL of the men you keep pushing have ALL done well in the IFBB if contests are fixed than every contest Robby , Sergio , Serge , Fox and any other black guy you love ALL received the same gifts , you can't have it both ways even if thats the way you swing
This moron can't explain various results like 1981 but blindly shills for the IFBB. They love followers like this, make money off em.
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This moron can't explain various results like 1981 but blindly shills for the IFBB. They love followers like this, make money off em.
You can't explain 2001 in fact you claimed Ronnie dominated the contest by losing the whole prejudging more of your retard logic , you claim ' personality ' is part of the judging yet Ronnie Coleman a man not known for his beaming personality has the most Olympia wins and contest wins in IFBB history , again YOU don't know a thing about competitive bodybuilding all you know if if the black guy loses it was a fix
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arnold already retired long ago.
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If he would have never retired in 1975, he would have gone on to win in 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982 and 1983. Lee Haney would have been TOO much for Arnold to handle. So in total, he would have won 14 Mr. Olympias in all.
A better question would be, if Arnold continued to improve upon his 1974 showing and not been distracted by Hollywood, what would he have looked like by the early 80's (he was only 33 in 1980)?
He is a governor now, let it go.
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His waist is out of control.
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Arnold would have worked twice as hard to beat Haney. Arnold just did what arnold needed to do to win. As long as nobody was better than him, arnold didn't care about being the best he could be. So I think Arnold and Haney would have been a great match in the early 80s, but Haney would have eventually beat him, that is if he didnt the first time they met. I agree with the first post.
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If Arnold Had Never Retired, How Many Mr.Olympia Titles?
According to Uncle Joe, 11. Arnold would have won all Olympias between 1976 and 1979 as well. Personally, I believe that prime Arnold is better than Haney, Chris Dickerson, Columbo and Samir Bannout, but we have no idea how Arnold would look in the mid to late eighties if he still competed. Bodybuilders usually peak in their late thirties, but some peak as young as in their late twenties to early thirties and then only decline after that. Arnold would have perhaps beeen that case. But let's assume that he would maintain his peak and only start declining after 40 due to age. Then, he would win all Olympias until 1987. By the 88' Olympia, Haney was as big and ripped as prime Arnold and Arnold would have undoubtedly declined at age 41. So, in my opinion, Arnold would have won all Olympias between 1970 and 1987. Conclusion:
18 Sandows.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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His waist is out of control.
True :-\
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You can't explain 2001 in fact you claimed Ronnie dominated the contest by losing the whole prejudging more of your retard logic
but he 'lost' the prejudging in the eyes of the judges only
reality shows a much different story:
luckily the judges smartened up by the evening show and came to thier senses:
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having said that, Arnold would likely have won up to 1980- and probably 81 and 82 as well if he gained some quad size back.
but Samir in 1983 would have beaten him
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but he 'lost' the prejudging in the eyes of the judges only
reality shows a much different story:
luckily the judges smartened up by the evening show and came to thier senses:
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT Hulkster, this isn't about RONNIE FUCKING COLEMAN. STOP HIJACKING EVERY GODDAMN THREAD!!!! It's about Arnold you fuck!
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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT Hulkster, this isn't about RONNIE FUCKING COLEMAN. STOP HIJACKING EVERY GODDAMN THREAD!!!! It's about Arnold you fuck!
hahahaa monster meltdown :P
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All you guys fail to realize that Arnold STOPPED improving in 1974 because he stopped caring about bodybuilding and wanted to focus more on HOLLYWOOD. If he would continued to take his shit seriously, we NEVER know what he would have looked like by 1980. The man may have weighed 260 in competition with 23 arms. He was at his best in 1974 at 27 years of age. Definitely NOT his peak. You guys who are saying that a 5'7" 195 pound Sammir would have beat him don't realize that by 1983 Arnold may have been a REAL THREAT to everyone throughout the 80's, including Lee Haney. We never saw that Arnold because A. he REALLY retired in 1974 and he never really have to push himself THAT hard because of his weak competition.
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He never won the Arnold Classic though!!
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but he 'lost' the prejudging in the eyes of the judges only
reality shows a much different story:
luckily the judges smartened up by the evening show and came to thier senses:
ha ha ha ha meltdown even Ronnie knew he lost that one ;)
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(http://www.isteroids.com/images/arnold-schwarzenegger-big_muscle.jpg)
Bam! ;)
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I think its safe to say that Arnold had the best chest of all time. And its a good thing because of that monster 34-inch waist...
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Ridiculous. Looks better than every pro today.
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Is that Kevin Levrone? :)
What do you think Arnold weighed there?
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Is that Kevin Levrone? :)
What do you think Arnold weighed there?
Good question , it was right before the 75 Olympia so he should be right around 235-240 pounds
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According to Uncle Joe, 11. Arnold would have won all Olympias between 1976 and 1979 as well. Personally, I believe that prime Arnold is better than Haney, Chris Dickerson, Columbo and Samir Bannout, but we have no idea how Arnold would look in the mid to late eighties if he still competed. Bodybuilders usually peak in their late thirties, but some peak as young as in their late twenties to early thirties and then only decline after that. Arnold would have perhaps beeen that case. But let's assume that he would maintain his peak and only start declining after 40 due to age. Then, he would win all Olympias until 1987. By the 88' Olympia, Haney was as big and ripped as prime Arnold and Arnold would have undoubtedly declined at age 41. So, in my opinion, Arnold would have won all Olympias between 1970 and 1987. Conclusion:
18 Sandows.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
This is the answer. End thread.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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To think that Arnold could have been competing that year (1985). He looked MASSIVE at 240 pounds in 1984 for T1 and lean and muscular in 1985 for Commando and all the way up to Predator in 1987. He was still at his peak during these years and I'm sure only casually hit the gym while filming one movie after another. No doubt he was still juicing, but one can only imagine how far he could have gone after 1974. By the mid 80's he had developed some serious muscle maturity and God knows he had the genetics to compete in ANY ERA seeing he was WAY ahead of his time in the 1970's.
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To think that Arnold could have been competing that year (1985). He looked MASSIVE at 240 pounds in 1984 for T1 and lean and muscular in 1985 for Commando and all the way up to Predator in 1987. He was still at his peak during these years and I'm sure only casually hit the gym while filming one movie after another. No doubt he was still juicing, but one can only imagine how far he could have gone after 1974. By the mid 80's he had developed some serious muscle maturity and God knows he had the genetics to compete in ANY ERA seeing he was WAY ahead of his time in the 1970's.
That's what makes him the greatest of all-time
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That's what makes him the greatest of all-time
behind Ronald Dean Coleman..
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This is the answer. End thread.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Whether his body could have withstand the pressures of 18 olympias = questionable. Brutal health deterioration.
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behind Ronald Dean Coleman..
Not really if you think about it and I'll explain why , Ronnie has more Sandows however Arnold started the trend of more than 3 , he retired undfeated , and he could have won even more than Ronnie if he choose to which is a fact , then you factor in what he did for the sport , how he promoted it etc and then factor in the rest of his career and he really is the greatest bodybuilder of all time
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Whether his body could have withstand the pressures of 18 olympias = questionable. Brutal health deterioration.
We are accepting as an a priori axiom that he would maintain the form he had in his prime into the mid to late eighties. There is no reason not to. Arnold would be 37 in 1984 when Haney won his first Olympia, and most 37 year old bodybuilders are just peaking.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Haney once stated that he had no real competition as Arnold had retired
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Haney once stated that he had no real competition as Arnold had retired
yeah I recall that...considering both are considered all upper bodies Arnold would have gave him a run for his money
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Not really if you think about it and I'll explain why , Ronnie has more Sandows however Arnold started the trend of more than 3 , he retired undfeated , and he could have won even more than Ronnie if he choose to which is a fact , then you factor in what he did for the sport , how he promoted it etc and then factor in the rest of his career and he really is the greatest bodybuilder of all time
Hey ND, you probably have forgotten more history of bodybuilding than I know, but how in the hell can you say Arnold retired undefeated ? Even if you just look at Mr Olympia contests, he wasn't undefeated. Arnold lost to Sergio in the 69 Olympia, as well as to Frank Zane in some IFBB contest. And he also lost his first try at the Pro Mr Universe to Chet Yorton.
No Mr. Olympia has ever retired undefeated ! If you only count Mr Olympia contests, than I guess Larry Scott was 2 for 2. Everyone else lost at least one of them before they won one, kinda like having to pay your dues. Obviously Larry Scott was in the first one and somebody had to win, but ever since, Sergio, Arnold, Haney and Dorian all lost their first Mr Olympia before winning. The rest of them lost at least 2 or more before winning the crown.
Lee Haney took third his first Olympia and then won 8 straight and retired. His amateur and pro career were just as dominant if not more so than Arnold's competition history.
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Hey ND, you probably have forgotten more history of bodybuilding than I know, but how in the hell can you say Arnold retired undefeated ? Even if you just look at Mr Olympia contests, he wasn't undefeated. Arnold lost to Sergio in the 69 Olympia, as well as to Frank Zane in some IFBB contest. And he also lost his first try at the Pro Mr Universe to Chet Yorton.
No Mr. Olympia has ever retired undefeated ! If you only count Mr Olympia contests, than I guess Larry Scott was 2 for 2. Everyone else lost at least one of them before they won one, kinda like having to pay your dues. Obviously Larry Scott was in the first one and somebody had to win, but ever since, Sergio, Arnold, Haney and Dorian all lost their first Mr Olympia before winning. The rest of them lost at least 2 or more before winning the crown.
Lee Haney took third his first Olympia and then won 8 straight and retired. His amateur and pro career were just as dominant if not more so than Arnold's competition history.
I meant undefeated since he won the Olympia , Ronnie lost while a reigning champ . you're right about Scott being the only undefeated Olympia winner though .
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I meant undefeated since he won the Olympia , Ronnie lost while a reigning champ . you're right about Scott being the only undefeated Olympia winner though .
Ok, well than Haney and Dorian would also be included in that group, undefeated in Olympias since they won one.
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Ok, well than Haney and Dorian would also be included in that group, undefeated in Olympias since they won one.
Right the difference out of the lot only Haney retired in the best shape of his career , Arnold no and Yates hell no
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Larry Scott lost some contests when he made a comeback in 1979.
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Larry Scott lost some contests when he did a comeback in 1979.
yeah he lost two contests in 1979 but he was the only Olympia winner to win on his first try and retire undefeated in that contest
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yeah he lost two contests in 1979 but he was the only Olympia winner to win on his first try and retire undefeated in that contest
Correct.
Another Mr.O. that was undefeated after winning his first Olympia was Franco.
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Not really if you think about it and I'll explain why , Ronnie has more Sandows however Arnold started the trend of more than 3 , he retired undfeated , and he could have won even more than Ronnie if he choose to which is a fact , then you factor in what he did for the sport , how he promoted it etc and then factor in the rest of his career and he really is the greatest bodybuilder of all time
To phrase it a little better, I would call him the greatest "champion" of all time. That actually comes straight from Joe Weider's mouth.
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He never won the Arnold Classic though,Ronnie did
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He never won the Arnold Classic though,Ronnie did
lmao good point