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Depends on Genetics. :D
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Depends on Genetics. :D
This=very true 8)
But what are the benefits of always training to failure?
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This=very true 8)
But what are the benefits of always training to failure?
to stimulate more of the muscle fibers
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This=very true 8)
But what are the benefits of always training to failure?
I've seen your pictures son...your not ready to split your training yet let alone be talking about training to failure!
Hope this helped...
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I've seen your pictures son...your not ready to split your training yet let alone be talking about training to failure!
Hope this helped...
Thanks, Dad. ::)
I have done split training before but I prefer other things like HST.
Pictures are meaningless...everything=genetics
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you can do it sometimes but i think its overproductive. just do your sets with the much weight you can, should be enough.
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what!?
no youtube clips
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you can do it sometimes but i think its overproductive. just do your sets with the much weight you can, should be enough.
Mars spreekt de waarheid opnieuw met wijsheid!
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Mars spreekt de waarheid opnieuw met wijsheid!
>:(
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You have to have muscles first ::)
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I always go to failure - on every set of every exercise of every workout. Just take enough time off between sets so you can do the next one with the maximum weight you can do. I sometimes take up to 8 or 10 minutes off between max sets of deadlifts.
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You have to have muscles first ::)
You're one to talk Nutsack...
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On the sauce: Often
Off the sauce: Hardly ever
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On the sauce: Often
Off the sauce: Hardly ever
Irgendwie...fuehlt sich die Welt anders an, seitdem ich weiss, dass du kein Piefke bist...diese Offenbarung hat alles fuer immer veraendert... :o
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Irgendwie...fuehlt sich die Welt anders an, seitdem ich weiss, dass du kein Piefke bist...diese Offenbarung hat alles fuer immer veraendert... :o
Ich hab nie behauptet Piefke zu sein und nie bestritten kein Piefke zu sein, von daher bist du selber Schuld an deiner Erwartungshaltung. :)
Dachte bis vor kurzem aber auch immer dass du Piefke bist, wenns ein Trost für dich ist...
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Ich hab nie behauptet Piefke zu sein und nie bestritten kein Piefke zu sein, von daher bist du selber Schuld an deiner Erwartungshaltung. :)
That is true...the world is a mysterious place but one thing remains true, you=all genetics...
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You have to have muscles first ::)
Speak the truth my brother in sakks
He is not a Levrone 8) 8) :P :P 8)
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Speak the truth my brother in sakks
He is not a Levrone 8) 8) :P :P 8)
That dude is one to talk; I have more detail in my legs at 20% bf than he does at 8%....that dude=totally delusional.
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That dude is one to talk; I have more detail in my legs at 20% bf than he does at 8%....that dude=totally delusional.
Are you saying Alnassak's intelligence genetics is on par with his muscularity genetics ???
Speak the truth my brother in sakks
He is not a Levrone 8) 8) :P :P 8)
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Are you saying Alnassak's intelligence genetics is on par with his muscularity genetics ???
You fat stupid person, go and actually workout and perhaps you will have legs like me :o :o 8) 8) :P
Naturaaaaaal hahahuuuu
jealous bitches 8) 8)
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Are you saying Alnassak's intelligence genetics is on par with his muscularity genetics ???
;D
Combination of youthful ignorance and religious delusion no doubt...
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You fat stupid person, go and actually workout and perhaps you will have legs like me :o :o 8) 8) :P
Naturaaaaaal hahahuuuu
jealous bitches 8) 8)
LOL
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LOL
I think failure has its uses but right now I am doing HST so failure=anathema to me.
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I think failure has its uses but right now I am doing HST so failure=anathema to me.
You not need to workout to failure, you already are failure ;D ;D 8) 8) :P 8)
Buuuuuueeeewwwwuuuuhahah aha
8) 8)
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You not need to workout to failure, you already are failure ;D ;D 8) 8) :P 8)
Buuuuuueeeewwwwuuuuhahah aha
8) 8)
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That dude is one to talk; I have more detail in my legs at 20% bf than he does at 8%....that dude=totally delusional.
It is all about Genetics ::)
Lol
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It is all about Genetics ::)
Lol
Yes it is all about genetics. Glad you see that now.
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Mars spreekt de waarheid opnieuw met wijsheid!
No he didnt... ::)
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You not need to workout to failure, you already are failure ;D ;D 8) 8) :P 8)
Buuuuuueeeewwwwuuuuhahah aha
8) 8)
I start to like this shit ;D
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You not need to workout to failure, you already are failure ;D ;D 8) 8) :P 8)
Buuuuuueeeewwwwuuuuhahah aha
8) 8)
pwned! :o
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I start to like this shit ;D
Anorexics have more mass than you
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pwned! :o
er fuehlt sich gebauchpinselt... ::)
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No he didnt... ::)
Bent je tegen de god van oorlog? ??? :o
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Anorexics have more mass than you
So..? ???
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I do every set exept warmup sets to failure.
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I always train to failure, every set, i have no idea how i would measure what i do without it.
It's obviously hard on the body which is why i need so few sets.
Going beyond failure is very hard on the body and i only use it now and then for a shock.
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Bent je tegen de god van oorlog? ??? :o
When your god licks my balls every night i think its save to say...yes!
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When your god licks my balls every night i think its save to say...yes!
Niemand verzet zich tegen de god van oorlog! >:(
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when i was 17 i really worked out like dorian yates
it was fucking hard but i think it helped to me develop a good physique
now i train nearly till full failure
there are some exercises like benchpressing which i do till failure and some others leg legpressing which i do pretty intense but not till failure
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when i was 17 i really worked out like dorian yates
it was fucking hard but i think it helped to me develop a good physique
now i train nearly till full failure
there are some exercises like benchpressing which i do till failure and some others leg legpressing which i do pretty intense but not till failure
Obviously it depends on the routine you have but some here like the mighty Ursus almost never train to failture citing the stress it puts on the CN as the reason.
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Obviously it depends on the routine you have but some here like the mighty Ursus almost never train to failture citing the stress it puts on the CN as the reason.
i don't know but some exercises feel great when done till failure...if i stop before i have a bad feeling
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i don't know but some exercises feel great when done till failure...if i stop before i have a bad feeling
Right now I am doing ganz koerpertraining 3x a week so I don't go to absolute failure...speaking of which I am off to the gym...
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I don't get what's the point of going to the gym and half ass it? If you know you got one or two more reps in you why not do them? ???
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I don't get what's the point of going to the gym and half ass it? If you know you got one or two more reps in you why not do them? ???
exactly
i mean i don't do any forced shit like tom platz but i do my exercises very intense so i have a good feeling afterwards
i mean you,the pump is better than havin sex
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I only train bis and tris to failure. Compound movements fry me for too long.
Depends how you mean failure tho. On pressing movements where you stick, and I usually stop a rep short of this. On chins and rows tho there's just an ever decreasing ROM for me, but I don't declare failure as soon as I can't do a perfect rep.
I never squat or dl within even 3 or 4 reps of failure. The only time I squatted to failure I was wrecked - falling asleep everywhere, couldn't get up in the morning, and no libido for a week. Never again.
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I only train bis and tris to failure. Compound movements fry me for too long.
Depends how you mean failure tho. On pressing movements where you stick, and I usually stop a rep short of this. On chins and rows tho there's just an ever decreasing ROM for me, but I don't declare failure as soon as I can't do a perfect rep.
I never squat or dl within even 3 or 4 reps of failure. The only time I squatted to failure I was wrecked - falling asleep everywhere, couldn't get up in the morning, and no libido for a week. Never again.
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You squat to failure? Moderate weight, 10+ reps, to true failure?
I try to out do the previous workout, either more weight or more reps. Gimmie that progress and I'm happy.
Btw, my recovery ability is especially shitty. Most guys probably wouldn't get hit so hard.
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I always go to failure - on every set of every exercise of every workout. Just take enough time off between sets so you can do the next one with the maximum weight you can do. I sometimes take up to 8 or 10 minutes off between max sets of deadlifts.
Good point. Go to failure every set the key is to rest enough days in between to recover.
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Depends on genetics.
If you train a body part to failure and are stronger the next time, I'd say it worked. Otherwise, you just walked away with a pump and lots of lactic acid. Tons of people either overtrain or use way more weight than they can safely control. Is there really any chance doing partial squats with 585 on a Smith machine will grow muscle?
I'd say having a plan (diet and exercise) and changing workouts occasionally are the way to go.
After genetics, I'd argue most of how people look has to do with their diet and habits (alcohol, rest, hydration, drugs, etc...) between workouts.
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If I understand you right, I reach failure with each set!!.. I don’t count any set if I don’t reach the point of failure.. I consider it just a warming up set..
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I don't get what's the point of going to the gym and half ass it? If you know you got one or two more reps in you why not do them? ???
Because it doesn't give you better results, at least in my experience.
Especially as a natural you have to budget carefully with the recovery ability of your body. Going to failure all the time is enourmous stress for the CNS and the regeneration of the muscle takes much much longer, as a natural you might even break down more muscle tissue than you'll be able to rebuilt afterwards.
Of course when I was a young, hungry Padawan I too punched every single set to total failure, but my devise nowadays is also "Train hard BUT SMART". I hardly ever go to failure nowadays, most sets just that I can get the last positive rep on my own and that's it, no spotter, no forced reps, no partials or swinging.
I feel much fitter and better nowadays (when I trained to failure all the time I was tired often all day long and had sore muscles in some groups for 4-5 days) and still get almost better results.
A natural imo should be careful with total failure, maybe even avoid it completely. But like with anything in BB, I guess everyone has to make his own experiences. ;)
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I think everyone in general is different ,so diffrent things will work.But I just workout to get as much of a pump as I can in the specific muscle I am training.Whatever gets you that painful pump use ,whether its heavy ,forced reps , medium reps , pauses, very strict form ,any or all .You can be strong and look like shit body wise.Increasing weights every workout isnt really useful if you are still not happy about what you look like in the mirror.
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If I understand you right, I reach failure with each set!!.. I don’t count any set if I don’t reach the point of failure.. I consider it just a warming up set..
I agree i go to failure on atleast 2 sets per exercise and generally do a couple forced reps after that. If i go any pussier than that my muscles don't feel like i have gotten a good workout.
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It's doubtful most people get results that warrant consistently going to failure. It's probably more along the lines that people like to feel their muscles have been smoked.
Next people will be advocating only doing heavy negatives with spotters.
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It's doubtful most people get results that warrant consistently going to failure. It's probably more along the lines that people like to feel their muscles have been smoked.
Next people will be advocating only doing heavy negatives with spotters.
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There are days when I want to feel completely *worked*. I'm currently alternating heavy and light days, which worked well for me in the past.
I think negatives are a fun way to mix it up a little. I only have a training partner a few days out of each month, though. I haven't done them in a LONG time, but I felt that doing negatives helped to build up my muscular endurance. Others see it differently, of course.
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There are days when I want to feel completely *worked*. I'm currently alternating heavy and light days, which worked well for me in the past.
I think negatives are a fun way to mix it up a little. I only have a training partner a few days out of each month, though. I haven't done them in a LONG time, but I felt that doing negatives helped to build up my muscular endurance. Others see it differently, of course.
I'm not saying negatives or occasionally going to failure aren't good ideas. That being said, unless you're walking into the gym stronger next time around it's probably a waste of effort and a good way to get an injury.
You could curl 15 pounds to failure all day long and not get bigger biceps. Most of the pain/burn would be from lactic acid buildup.
I just wonder if too many people trade results for the mental stimulation that comes from changing routines all the time. My results have improved with a simpler routine but the only way to really hit the next level is training with a partner. Most people just plain talk too much to work out with me. Having someone push me along with the spotter for heavier lifts would help a lot.
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You shouldn't train to failure imo because it takes A LOT longer for your CNS to recover if you do.
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never
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I love sucking cock and taking it up the ass.
Fixed.
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DEFINE FAILURE!
Take for example Ronnie Coleman doing T-bar rows. Where is the failure point? There is none since form the first rep he is heaving the weight using tons of momentum. There's just an increasing breakdown of form as the set progresses.
Now take Markus Reinhardt going to failure on curls under the supervision of Mentzer. There is a pretty clearly defined failure point.
Which is more taxing, heavy ass t-bars not going to failure, where it looks like a half-deadlift, OR Mentzer style curls going to failure?
Things to consider when you determine how taxing it is "going to failure".
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I go to failure every set, unless its a warm up set ofcourse...if i dont do that I dont feel like ive worked hard enough.
Forced reps and cheat reps i save for the last set of each exercise, never for deadlifts or squats though
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its quite overhyped... burning out the cns from resistance training... arthur harrris mike mentzer dorian yates... none of these guys had any science or proof of anything, and make a ridiculous claim about the cns, and everybody believes its gold.. if high volume with extreme intensity burns out the cns and you cant grow... the arnold should have been 150lbs... and jay cutler and ronnie and pretty much 98% of all competitive bodybuilders... since they all train this way.. go to failure on every set and do 30 sets... by the end you will be hitting failure with 5 or 10 lbs at rep 4 or 5... your cns will be perfectly fine... do it every workout.. its only a matter of whether you can keep up motivation and intensity while training like this... now, beyond the cns argument... there may be reason to believe that less sets, less failure is more optimal for hypertrophy..but that wouldn't be because of an effect on the cns!!!
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its quite overhyped... burning out the cns from resistance training... arthur harrris mike mentzer dorian yates... none of these guys had any science or proof of anything, and make a ridiculous claim about the cns, and everybody believes its gold.. if high volume with extreme intensity burns out the cns and you cant grow... the arnold should have been 150lbs... and jay cutler and ronnie and pretty much 98% of all competitive bodybuilders... since they all train this way.. go to failure on every set and do 30 sets... by the end you will be hitting failure with 5 or 10 lbs at rep 4 or 5... your cns will be perfectly fine... do it every workout.. its only a matter of whether you can keep up motivation and intensity while training like this... now, beyond the cns argument... there may be reason to believe that less sets, less failure is more optimal for hypertrophy..but that wouldn't be because of an effect on the cns!!!
As I said, since I am doing HST which is fullbody, multiple times a week, it makes no sense for me to train to failure imo.
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its quite overhyped... burning out the cns from resistance training... arthur harrris mike mentzer dorian yates... none of these guys had any science or proof of anything, and make a ridiculous claim about the cns, and everybody believes its gold.. if high volume with extreme intensity burns out the cns and you cant grow... the arnold should have been 150lbs... and jay cutler and ronnie and pretty much 98% of all competitive bodybuilders... since they all train this way.. go to failure on every set and do 30 sets... by the end you will be hitting failure with 5 or 10 lbs at rep 4 or 5... your cns will be perfectly fine... do it every workout.. its only a matter of whether you can keep up motivation and intensity while training like this... now, beyond the cns argument... there may be reason to believe that less sets, less failure is more optimal for hypertrophy..but that wouldn't be because of an effect on the cns!!!
training to failure you body gets used to it after a while, a good pump if you are on some shit is good enough for gaining muscle, if you want more just inject more, don't risk injury by lifting stupidly.
jt
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I would love to suck your cock but my mouth aches from the dark room. You could fuck me up the ass though if you wanted to... :)
jt
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As I said, since I am doing HST which is fullbody, multiple times a week, it makes no sense for me to train to failure imo.
that wasnt addressed to you, i knew that it was you were doing, and its a bit different from the "normal" bodybuilding type of routine
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The older I get, the more I like the Chinese thinking on it. When you feel good push it hard and heavy. When your a bit burnt, just go mellow, or find another aspect of training to cover..........
Pretty decent way to train, or live for that matter.
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that wasnt addressed to you, i knew that it was you were doing, and its a bit different from the "normal" bodybuilding type of routine
That's cool. How is training and getting huge going?
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That's cool. How is training and getting huge going?
great, except i need new clothes. my "tight shirts" are sized medium.. they used to be just right when i wanted a tight fitting shirt to wear when im trying to dress attractive, but now they are TOO tight... i need to get size large now for my "tight shirt" collection
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why do you never post pics tbomz?
you should be huge now after over a year on juice
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why do you never post pics tbomz?
you should be huge now after over a year on juice
i have a couple pictures i took from my bday a few days ago, whenever i take those into walgreens and get them uploaded, i will posts them. remind me about it in like 5 days they should be up then
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why do you never post pics tbomz?
Because he's a fag who takes cock up the ass?
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its quite overhyped... burning out the cns from resistance training... arthur harrris mike mentzer dorian yates... none of these guys had any science or proof of anything, and make a ridiculous claim about the cns, and everybody believes its gold.. if high volume with extreme intensity burns out the cns and you cant grow... the arnold should have been 150lbs... and jay cutler and ronnie and pretty much 98% of all competitive bodybuilders... since they all train this way.. go to failure on every set and do 30 sets... by the end you will be hitting failure with 5 or 10 lbs at rep 4 or 5... your cns will be perfectly fine... do it every workout.. its only a matter of whether you can keep up motivation and intensity while training like this... now, beyond the cns argument... there may be reason to believe that less sets, less failure is more optimal for hypertrophy..but that wouldn't be because of an effect on the cns!!!
The number of people in the world with the genetics like the guys you mentioned is pretty small. Any of us trying to do what then do and hoping for similar results is stupid.
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The number of people in the world with the genetics like the guys you mentioned is pretty small. Any of us trying to do what then do and hoping for similar results is stupid.
i also said 98% of all competitive bodybuilders train similarly
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i have a couple pictures i took from my bday a few days ago, whenever i take those into walgreens and get them uploaded, i will posts them. remind me about it in like 5 days they should be up then
not to be a flaming queer or anything but I am curious to see your results just like a lot of people on here. You have been hitting it hard for a few years now. Dude you got to be looking jacked.
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I train to failure every set, except warm ups!