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Possible Tax Hike Could Increase Gas Prices By 40 Cents
theindychannel.com ^ | 06/03/09 | Rick Hightower
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:28:56 AM by Abathar
INDIANAPOLIS -- Gas prices, already on the rise, could jump significantly if Congress approves a large tax increase to help pay for the Federal Gasoline Tax Fund.
The increase could be as much as 40 cents a gallon. In exchange for the big increase, motorists would have a better chance of driving on better maintained state or federal highways, 6News' Rick Hightower reported.
Prices shot above $2.75 a gallon in central Indiana Tuesday. The last thing drivers wanted to hear was that a gas tax increase could send the price much higher, from the current 18 cents a gallon to 58 cents.
"With the way the economy is right now, to raise taxes again … is going to set things back to where it was before," said driver Craig Lewandowski. "The fact that gas prices went down helped out a lot of people."
"I don't like the prices now. I'm a college student. I have no money anyway," said Kara Prewitt. "Gas prices going up is never a good thing."
The fund that pays for highway construction would go broke in August unless Congress infuses about $7 billion needed to keep current projects going.
(Excerpt) Read more at theindychannel.com
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Change I still dont believe in.
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OH please...like the gasoline tax goes to highway maintenance anyways. It sure doesn't here, freaking wasteful government at all levels.
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OH please...like the gasoline tax goes to highway maintenance anyways. It sure doesn't here, freaking wasteful government at all levels.
All of these tax hikes, whether it be gasoline, cap & trade, etc are for one thing:
National Health Care.
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how come you didnt make a thread on oil prices? jumping 50% despite consumption levels at its lowest in a decade....
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how come you didnt make a thread on oil prices? jumping 50% despite consumption levels at its lowest in a decade....
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The two have nothing to do with each other.
What I find hystrical is that now that GWB is not president anymore, no one is blaming Obama for this the same way Bush got blamed for high energy prices.
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What about the speculators Obama spoke of previously? Will he address that issue as president?
Gas prices have gone up nearly 70cents/gallon again.
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The two have nothing to do with each other.
theyre both shit. Thought you would understand that.
What I find hystrical is that now that GWB is not president anymore, no one is blaming Obama for this the same way Bush got blamed for high energy prices.
bush vetoed any kind of alternative fuel bill that was put on his desk. He even put in place a law that restricts the development of alternative fuels for another 4-5 years if i remember correctly. Obama is kind of taking a new direction on that.
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Here the gas tax is suppose to go into the roads, but if you look it actually goes into the general fund. Then they charge "for the roads" again when you go to the DMV.
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Here the gas tax is suppose to go into the roads, but if you look it actually goes into the general fund. Then they charge "for the roads" again when you go to the DMV.
This is all to pay for national health care.
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40 cents?
Are they kidding? ::)
That won't do much good.
The gas tax needs to be at least a dollar or more higher in order to get any real effects on people's choice of vehicles.
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No taxes for those making under 250 grand....yup. Good job Barry..tell us another. But before u do..I need to move all these muslims out of my way...I keep tripping over them.
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lol hahahah dems would lose congress in 10 and barry would lose the white house in 12...
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40 cents?
Are they kidding? ::)
That won't do much good.
The gas tax needs to be at least a dollar or more higher in order to get any real effects on people's choice of vehicles.
I don't like big government but gas taxes are one of the only taxes I think is constitutional. I don't think they are trying to urge conservation with this tax, but if they do choose to raise taxes on gas to curb consumption then they really should NOT tax airlines, big rigs etc. commercial uses basically to minimize price increases on goods and services
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I don't like big government but gas taxes are one of the only taxes I think is constitutional. I don't think they are trying to urge conservation with this tax, but if they do choose to raise taxes on gas to curb consumption then they really should NOT tax airlines, big rigs etc. commercial uses basically to minimize price increases on goods and services
But to tax more when consumption is down? The only explanation I can think of is to raise capital for more of their BS social programs.
Seriously, we should build nuke reactors like the ones in Europe, we would have cleaner more efficient energy and we could drive whatever we want without worry.
Barry is just reneging on yet another promise; big surprise there.
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But to tax more when consumption is down? The only explanation I can think of is to raise capital for more of their BS social programs.
Seriously, we should build nuke reactors like the ones in Europe, we would have cleaner more efficient energy and we could drive whatever we want without worry.
Barry is just reneging on yet another promise; big surprise there.
what bugs me is how we supposedly need a 'stimulus package to repair out crumbling infrastructure. our infrastructureis supposed to and should have been maintained, but politicians diverted money for infrastructure to social welfare programs
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what bugs me is how we supposedly need a 'stimulus package to repair out crumbling infrastructure. our infrastructureis supposed to and should have been maintained, but politicians diverted money for infrastructure to social welfare programs
Thats because it is used for the general fund and wasted like most other govt expenditures.
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People should nearly revolt if they raise taxes on gas. Gas has already climbed again in the past 2-3 months. When gas was around $4/gallon we all bitched, business and commerce suffered greatly. We are still in a recession, you don't raise taxes! This will hurt people and businesses.
How about decreasing the f'n spending and leaving our $ alone!
Obama should deal with the speculators who help drive prices up. This was one of his big arguments before he was president. Nothing has been done so far.
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People should nearly revolt if they raise taxes on gas. Gas has already climbed again in the past 2-3 months. When gas was around $4/gallon we all bitched, business and commerce suffered greatly. We are still in a recession, you don't raise taxes! This will hurt people and businesses.
How about decreasing the f'n spending and leaving our $ alone!
Obama should deal with the speculators who help drive prices up. This was one of his big arguments before he was president. Nothing has been done so far.
The democrats will NEVER cut back on any social programs. Social dependency creates the bulk of their support.
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What I find hystrical is that now that GWB is not president anymore, no one is blaming Obama for this the same way Bush got blamed for high energy prices.
Yep. And let us not forget that $2.50 gas in 2009 is quite a bit different than $2.50 gas in 2004.
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bush vetoed any kind of alternative fuel bill that was put on his desk. He even put in place a law that restricts the development of alternative fuels for another 4-5 years if i remember correctly. Obama is kind of taking a new direction on that.
Ummm, are you sure about that? That really doesnt seem right. In any event, the only viable alternative fuel right now is nuclear, and the democrats are against it. Allow oil companies to raise the supply of oil and treat the dollar more responsiblly. That is the way to fix this problem.
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Ummm, are you sure about that? That really doesnt seem right. In any event, the only viable alternative fuel right now is nuclear, and the democrats are against it. Allow oil companies to raise the supply of oil and treat the dollar more responsiblly. That is the way to fix this problem.
The price of gas at the pumps has nothing to do with the supply of oil.
They are at max capacity right now. They are paying to store oil in tankers off the coast of Texas because they have no where to put it.
Yet gas rose 50 cents this week...
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Possible Tax Hike Could Increase Gas Prices By 40 Cents
theindychannel.com ^ | 06/03/09 | Rick Hightower
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:28:56 AM by Abathar
INDIANAPOLIS -- Gas prices, already on the rise, could jump significantly if Congress approves a large tax increase to help pay for the Federal Gasoline Tax Fund.
The increase could be as much as 40 cents a gallon. In exchange for the big increase, motorists would have a better chance of driving on better maintained state or federal highways, 6News' Rick Hightower reported.
Prices shot above $2.75 a gallon in central Indiana Tuesday. The last thing drivers wanted to hear was that a gas tax increase could send the price much higher, from the current 18 cents a gallon to 58 cents.
"With the way the economy is right now, to raise taxes again … is going to set things back to where it was before," said driver Craig Lewandowski. "The fact that gas prices went down helped out a lot of people."
"I don't like the prices now. I'm a college student. I have no money anyway," said Kara Prewitt. "Gas prices going up is never a good thing."
The fund that pays for highway construction would go broke in August unless Congress infuses about $7 billion needed to keep current projects going.
(Excerpt) Read more at theindychannel.com
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Change I still dont believe in.
Try living in Taxachussets under the Patrick administration.
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Try living in Taxachussets under the Patrick administration.
QFTX10000. What a shit election that was, Muffy Healey or Barack jr.
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The democrats will NEVER cut back on any social programs. Social dependency creates the bulk of their support.
Bingo!
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But to tax more when consumption is down? The only explanation I can think of is to raise capital for more of their BS social programs.
Seriously, we should build nuke reactors like the ones in Europe, we would have cleaner more efficient energy and we could drive whatever we want without worry.
Barry is just reneging on yet another promise; big surprise there.
{LOL} Cappy, I'm a little lost. Please explain to me how big shiny new nuclear reactors will allow people to drive whatever they want? Could you please expound on that for those of us who are a bit slow? Thanks snookums. :-*
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QFTX10000. What a shit election that was, Muffy Healey or Barack jr.
i tried to get in on the welfare here but i was too white.
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{LOL} Cappy, I'm a little lost. Please explain to me how big shiny new nuclear reactors will allow people to drive whatever they want? Could you please expound on that for those of us who are a bit slow? Thanks snookums. :-*
It seems to me that Obama wants to tax people to death for driving wherever they want to reduce emissions. Cars are not the only thing that add to emissions right? If businesses, factories, etc were run by clean energy and emissions went down we wouldn't have to worry about emissions from cars as much.
People don't want electric and hybrid cars, at least not many. Diesel engines get better gas mileage these days so why not invest in diesel engines? Is it because of emissions? Who cares if nuke power drops other emissions?
Obama isn't doing anything to drop oil prices, due to speculation, at a time when the economy still sucks and people need to travel. If he passes cap and trade, it will only get worse.
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It seems to me that Obama wants to tax people to death for driving wherever they want to reduce emissions. Cars are not the only thing that add to emissions right? If businesses, factories, etc were run by clean energy and emissions went down we wouldn't have to worry about emissions from cars as much.
People don't want electric and hybrid cars, at least not many. Diesel engines get better gas mileage these days so why not invest in diesel engines? Is it because of emissions? Who cares if nuke power drops other emissions?
Obama isn't doing anything to drop oil prices, due to speculation, at a time when the economy still sucks and people need to travel. If he passes cap and trade, it will only get worse.
diesel is teh shizzle, my brothers diesel f350(big truck) gets like 24mpg. they are expensive to fix though, probably because they are more rare. diesel/hybrid would get 100+mpg probably
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They have them in Europe.
You would be surprised the technology that you can't get in the US.
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It seems to me that Obama wants to tax people to death for driving wherever they want to reduce emissions. Cars are not the only thing that add to emissions right? If businesses, factories, etc were run by clean energy and emissions went down we wouldn't have to worry about emissions from cars as much.
People don't want electric and hybrid cars, at least not many. Diesel engines get better gas mileage these days so why not invest in diesel engines? Is it because of emissions? Who cares if nuke power drops other emissions?
Obama isn't doing anything to drop oil prices, due to speculation, at a time when the economy still sucks and people need to travel. If he passes cap and trade, it will only get worse.
Hmmm... that doesn't quite make it clear to me exactly how big shiny new nuclear reactors will allow people to drive whatever they want. Could you run it by me one more time? It's early, and I didn't get it the last 2x's
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They have them in Europe.
You would be surprised the technology that you can't get in the US.
I know right. Hearing about the diesel Jetta that gets 51 mpg had me shocked.
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They have them in Europe.
You would be surprised the technology that you can't get in the US.
Including technologies that work to improve mileage, reduce fuel consumption, and reduce emissions.
Often other markets will adopt these solutions before the USA. It's sad really. The USA used to lead. :'(
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Possible Tax Hike Could Increase Gas Prices By 40 Cents
theindychannel.com ^ | 06/03/09 | Rick Hightower
They won't be increasing the gas tax to replenish state coffers. They'll be doing spot checks and fining polluters.
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They won't be increasing the gas tax to replenish state coffers. They'll be doing spot checks and fining polluters.
My god are you blind.
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Including technologies that work to improve mileage, reduce fuel consumption, and reduce emissions.
Often other markets will adopt these solutions before the USA. It's sad really. The USA used to lead. :'(
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maybe big oil doesn't want fuel efficient cars.
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maybe big oil doesn't want fuel efficient cars.
If there existed the technology, it would be out there. Almost every CT has been debunked many times over on this.
The same with the electric car.
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My god are you blind.
{LOL} Ok...NH notwithstanding, ...many of these proposals are going down to defeat.
They just defeated 2 new tax proposals in Nevada.
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{LOL} Ok...NH notwithstanding, ...many of these proposals are going down to defeat.
They just defeated 2 new tax proposals in Nevada.
That is because all taxpayers know thatt he money NEVER goes for the intended purpose, but to mask deficitsin other areas where the pols have been reckless.
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If there existed the technology, it would be out there. Almost every CT has been debunked many times over on this.
The same with the electric car.
...and there are only 3 people in the world who will ever have any need for a personal computer.
Every invention of value to mankind, has already been invented. :D
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$2.85 at the pump today.
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$2.85 at the pump today.
$3.69 a gallon here (97.5 cents a Litre)
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The increase could be as much as 40 cents a gallon. In exchange for the big increase, motorists would have a better chance of driving on better maintained state or federal highways, 6News' Rick Hightower reported.
Let's be fair here. That potential 40 cents per gallon increase if approved would be phased in over a 5 year period.
It would be an 8 cents per gallon increase per year for 5 years. not a whopping 40 cents per gallon increase overnight.
Personally, I don't think it will occur.
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Let's be fair here. That potential 40 cents per gallon increase if approved would be phased in over a 5 year period.
It would be an 8 cents per gallon increase per year for 5 years. not a whopping 40 cents per gallon increase overnight.
Personally, I don't think it will occur.
Jag I dont know how things work in Canada, but I will tell you, in the USA, the pols do this instead of raising other taxes because they know there are enough dolts to believe their lies about building new roads with the new $$$.
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Jag I dont know how things work in Canada, but I will tell you, in the USA, the pols do this instead of raising other taxes because they know there are enough dolts to believe their lies about building new roads with the new $$$.
Here in Ontario, we have 2 seasons... winter & road repair season. :D
I'm sure pols can get away with it in warmer climates, but up here they keep on top of road repairs (or at least try to) With the crazy freeze thaw cycles and drastic temperature differences we've been getting for the past three years, it has taken one heckuva toll on our roads and people notice it. Our govermnment is sick of motorists sending them bills for new rims and other vehicular repairs from all the potholes.
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Let's be fair here. That potential 40 cents per gallon increase if approved would be phased in over a 5 year period.
It would be an 8 cents per gallon increase per year for 5 years. not a whopping 40 cents per gallon increase overnight.
Personally, I don't think it will occur.
And in addition, it was a Bush admin initiative the Obama inherited.
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And in addition, it was a Bush admin initiative the Obama inherited.
Jag I know you dont understand this, and dont want to, but $4.00 gallon gasoline destroyed all discretionary consumer spending.
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QFTX10000. What a shit election that was, Muffy Healey or Barack jr.
Don't worry, Patrick is down the cape for the summer with his whole staff and his family on a "speaking tour" on our dime.
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I know right. Hearing about the diesel Jetta that gets 51 mpg had me shocked.
Do we even have any diesel engine cars here? And I found out recently that Toyota makes a diesel engine that gets like 40+ mpg for the Tacoma line. Apparently it's not approved for US markets... ::)
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Do we even have any diesel engine cars here? And I found out recently that Toyota makes a diesel engine that gets like 40+ mpg for the Tacoma line. Apparently it's not approved for US markets... ::)
Once again showing how the EPA and govt suck.
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If we had completely open markets (meaning we could get the cars and trucks that are available overseas) it would kill the American car industry and UAW overnight. These artificial tarrifs the gvt throws on goods screw the american consumer.
Nobody would buy a POS half ton Chevy for 45K that gets 14 MPG when they could get a Toyota that gets 35 MPG and costs 28K.
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If we had completely open markets (meaning we could get the cars and trucks that are available overseas) it would kill the American car industry and UAW overnight. These artificial tarrifs the gvt throws on goods screw the american consumer.
Nobody would buy a POS half ton Chevy for 45K that gets 14 MPG when they could get a Toyota that gets 35 MPG and costs 28K.
The Unions, especially the public employee unions, are really making it impossible for any fiscal sanity in this country.
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Do we even have any diesel engine cars here? And I found out recently that Toyota makes a diesel engine that gets like 40+ mpg for the Tacoma line. Apparently it's not approved for US markets... ::)
The Jetta is approved, that's all I know about. 51 mpg. I had read about the Toyota trucks, and wished I had that kind of gas mileage. If the Germans can do it then the technology is there, it just needs to be implemented by US companies.
My buddy talks about his Ford truck over my Asian made car but the resale value on my truck will be much more at the same mileage. If an American care was as efficient as mine and held up as well then I would buy an American car; German or Asian right now.
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The Jetta is approved, that's all I know about. 51 mpg. I had read about the Toyota trucks, and wished I had that kind of gas mileage. If the Germans can do it then the technology is there, it just needs to be implemented by US companies.
My buddy talks about his Ford truck over my Asian made car but the resale value on my truck will be much more at the same mileage. If an American care was as efficient as mine and held up as well then I would buy an American car; German or Asian right now.
I go with German cars myself.
And I don't really care if American auto companies actually impliment the technology or not. The fact is that the tech is being kept out do that they don't have to. BMW has a 7-series that runs on hydrogen... Can't get it here though....
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I go with German cars myself.
And I don't really care if American auto companies actually impliment the technology or not. The fact is that the tech is being kept out do that they don't have to. BMW has a 7-series that runs on hydrogen... Can't get it here though....
American car companies allow a couple trucks to be diesel, but that's about it. It may cost a bit more for gas but if it lasts twice as long then I'm fine with that. Apparently diesel engines can run for a LONG time and hold up better than standard gas engines.
I remember talking to an engineer working for an American car company and him telling me about an engine that used the full 8 cylinders (for trucks) to accelerate but when it was cruising or sitting idle it would only use 4 cylinders. If the technology is being used, you don't really hear about it all that much.
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several cars do that now a days. You are right about you not hearing about it. That's why you have V8s getting close to 20mpg now. American cars have been getting better and better over the last few years...especially Ford(the new fusion is selling like hot cakes and getting great reviews) I just think it is too little too late. I hope Ford makes it because I always thought they were a better company than both GM and Chrysler.
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several cars do that now a days. You are right about you not hearing about it. That's why you have V8s getting close to 20mpg now. American cars have been getting better and better over the last few years...especially Ford(the new fusion is selling like hot cakes and getting great reviews) I just think it is too little too late. I hope Ford makes it because I always thought they were a better company than both GM and Chrysler.
Well, then I guess the guy was telling me the truth. I would imagine that if a Jetta can get 51 mpg with a diesel engine, a truck should be getting at least half that. Asian car companies are selling trucks that get 21-25 mpg and until American car companies do that a lot of people won't buy bigger cars.
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Well, then I guess the guy was telling me the truth. I would imagine that if a Jetta can get 51 mpg with a diesel engine, a truck should be getting at least half that. Asian car companies are selling trucks that get 21-25 mpg and until American car companies do that a lot of people won't buy bigger cars.
Why wont they do it?
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GM made 9 flex fuel/Green/extended millage cars and they didn't sell here. They are/were the number 1 foreign car company in Europe...they play to the market. I don't want to drive a death box.
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Well, then I guess the guy was telling me the truth. I would imagine that if a Jetta can get 51 mpg with a diesel engine, a truck should be getting at least half that. Asian car companies are selling trucks that get 21-25 mpg and until American car companies do that a lot of people won't buy bigger cars.
And what trucks would those be? And from what manufactures?
I ask because after reading your post, especially this zinger, I get the feeling your depth of understanding concerning the auto industry is pretty shallow.
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And what trucks would those be? And from what manufactures?
I ask because after reading your post, especially this zinger, I get the feeling your depth of understanding concerning the auto industry is pretty shallow.
Like using Google and reading what mpg a truck gets? Asian car companies give you more mpg than American cars. Trucks make it a bit closer but Asian car companies still edge American trucks. Taking mpg out of the equation, companies like Toyota and Nissan make better trucks which is why they hold their value better than a Ford or Chevy.
If the Jetta can get clean diesel and pass CA stringent emission standards, while also getting 51 mpg, why can't we do the same with trucks? Even if you only get 30 mpg out of a truck as opposed to 20 you still save in the long run.
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I get 18 on a Ford diesel.
The gas version gets like 8 MPG.
And how come 'fuel efficient' equates to 'deathtrap'?
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I get 18 on a Ford diesel.
The gas version gets like 8 MPG.
And how come 'fuel efficient' equates to 'deathtrap'?
What year? The newer diesels screw the driver big time.
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What year? The newer diesels screw the driver big time.
97 F250.
I have no clue what the new ones get. Even if I was inclined to buy a new one there's no way i would pay 50K+ for a vehicle.
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Like using Google and reading what mpg a truck gets? Asian car companies give you more mpg than American cars. Trucks make it a bit closer but Asian car companies still edge American trucks. Taking mpg out of the equation, companies like Toyota and Nissan make better trucks which is why they hold their value better than a Ford or Chevy.
If the Jetta can get clean diesel and pass CA stringent emission standards, while also getting 51 mpg, why can't we do the same with trucks? Even if you only get 30 mpg out of a truck as opposed to 20 you still save in the long run.
Again, what do you mean by "trucks"? 1/2 Ton flatbeds? Large BoF SUV's ? Those are trucks, car based SUV's are not.
The Jetta's diesel is very advanced and very expensive. It's a small 2.0L design and the Jetta is a barley a mid-size car and that 51mpg isn't official. That rating was under good conditions during highway driving, that's were diesel engines excel. It usually gets an average of 32-33mpg in mixed driving which is still good.
Trucks are just a wee-bit heavier and less aero-dynamic that cars. People that buy diesel trucks buy them because they use them so the diesels in pick-up trucks are very powerful and very large displacement. At best you'll get 18-20 combined. It would great to have more diesels in the US but with our new EPA standards it will incredibly tough to produce a compliant diesel engine. Europe has lower clean-air standards in this respect so they get away with it. This sucks because the new CAFE regs would benefit greatly from this. But because CAFE is some of the worst laws in history and high EPA standards we will be left with hybrids and gas engines.
A truck will never get 30mpg on the highway. To much drag and weight.
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Again, what do you mean by "trucks"? 1/2 Ton flatbeds? Large BoF SUV's ? Those are trucks, car based SUV's are not.
The Jetta's diesel is very advanced and very expensive. It's a small 2.0L design and the Jetta is a barley a mid-size car and that 51mpg isn't official. That rating was under good conditions during highway driving, that's were diesel engines excel. It usually gets an average of 32-33mpg in mixed driving which is still good.
Trucks are just a wee-bit heavier and less aero-dynamic that cars. People that buy diesel trucks buy them because they use them so the diesels in pick-up trucks are very powerful and very large displacement. At best you'll get 18-20 combined. It would great to have more diesels in the US but with our new EPA standards it will incredibly tough to produce a compliant diesel engine. Europe has lower clean-air standards in this respect so they get away with it. This sucks because the new CAFE regs would benefit greatly from this. But because CAFE is some of the worst laws in history and high EPA standards we will be left with hybrids and gas engines.
A truck will never get 30mpg on the highway. To much drag and weight.
Okay, truck as in the kind you buy from a dealership; F150, F250, etc. These are the trucks I'm talking about.
Do you think they could get a clean diesel engine, like the Jetta, in a sedan? 40 mpg highway?
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Again, what do you mean by "trucks"? 1/2 Ton flatbeds? Large BoF SUV's ? Those are trucks, car based SUV's are not.
The Jetta's diesel is very advanced and very expensive. It's a small 2.0L design and the Jetta is a barley a mid-size car and that 51mpg isn't official. That rating was under good conditions during highway driving, that's were diesel engines excel. It usually gets an average of 32-33mpg in mixed driving which is still good.
Trucks are just a wee-bit heavier and less aero-dynamic that cars. People that buy diesel trucks buy them because they use them so the diesels in pick-up trucks are very powerful and very large displacement. At best you'll get 18-20 combined. It would great to have more diesels in the US but with our new EPA standards it will incredibly tough to produce a compliant diesel engine. Europe has lower clean-air standards in this respect so they get away with it. This sucks because the new CAFE regs would benefit greatly from this. But because CAFE is some of the worst laws in history and high EPA standards we will be left with hybrids and gas engines.
A truck will never get 30mpg on the highway. To much drag and weight.
I know guys getting that easily, ...guys in the USA 8)
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I know guys getting that easily, ...guys in the USA 8)
Let me guess, they use your gas pills?????
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Okay, truck as in the kind you buy from a dealership; F150, F250, etc. These are the trucks I'm talking about.
Do you think they could get a clean diesel engine, like the Jetta, in a sedan? 40 mpg highway?
Honestly, no. Again, to much drag and weight. The trucks can't be geared for full out MPG because they would lose their utility. Benz, BMW and Audi diesels average around 19-22 in their heavy SUV's which is great, but other than a massive decrease in weight and/or drag that's about where the mileage will stay, maybe a bit more, but that's it. The most adv. diesel in development is GM's 4.5L unit that is in flux right now b/c of the bankruptcy but from what I hear and read it is truly a leap in design and efficiency/emissions, when that is released we will see numbers in the mid to upper 20's. IF it's released.
EPA/CAFE/Safety regs force producers to add weight/complexity (meaning price) to cars in the way of emissions gear, stronger/heavier structures, countless safety devices etc etc. The govt. wants more efficient cars but EPA/Safety regs demand heavier and heavier cars which leads to auto makers being farther in the hole every year. Plus all the gear added to engines for emissions saps power AND efficiency. Which means they have to use hybrids/some diesels to cope. This adds a lot to the price of a car. It's a fucking clusters fuck and it doesn't make any sense. It's really shitty ignorant govt. at its finest. And as for your Jetta diesel, it would be far more fuel efficient if it wasn't for the emissions gear needed to make it U.S. spec compliant.
And as for trucks you mentioned above. The Tundra, besides being a truck with many quality issues, gets beaten in comparisons and gets lousy gas mileage. Same for the Nissan Titan. Both trucks also tanked in the market place, total failures. The most efficient truck on the market in terms of MPG would be the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and their hybrid versions as well. And anything above a 1/2 ton can't be included because no Asian automaker has dared to venture into that market segment, for good reason.
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Honestly, no. Again, to much drag and weight. The trucks can't be geared for full out MPG because they would lose their utility. Benz, BMW and Audi diesels average around 19-22 in their heavy SUV's which is great, but other than a massive decrease in weight and/or drag that's about where the mileage will stay, maybe a bit more, but that's it. The most adv. diesel in development is GM's 4.5L unit that is in flux right now b/c of the bankruptcy but from what I hear and read it is truly a leap in design and efficiency/emissions, when that is released we will see numbers in the mid to upper 20's. IF it's released.
EPA/CAFE/Safety regs force producers to add weight/complexity (meaning price) to cars in the way of emissions gear, stronger/heavier structures, countless safety devices etc etc. The govt. wants more efficient cars but EPA/Safety regs demand heavier and heavier cars which leads to auto makers being farther in the hole every year. Plus all the gear added to engines for emissions saps power AND efficiency. Which means they have to use hybrids/some diesels to cope. This adds a lot to the price of a car. It's a fucking clusters fuck and it doesn't make any sense. It's really shitty ignorant govt. at its finest. And as for your Jetta diesel, it would be far more fuel efficient if it wasn't for the emissions gear needed to make it U.S. spec compliant.
And as for trucks you mentioned above. The Tundra, besides being a truck with many quality issues, gets beaten in comparisons and gets lousy gas mileage. Same for the Nissan Titan. Both trucks also tanked in the market place, total failures. The most efficient truck on the market in terms of MPG would be the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and their hybrid versions as well. And anything above a 1/2 ton can't be included because no Asian automaker has dared to venture into that market segment, for good reason.
I had read this.
Interesting read though. I appreciate your knowledge here. Do you work in the auto industry?
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I saw a commercial for a hybrid Escalade. Twenty mpg. Pretty interesting . . . .
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Let me guess, they use your gas pills?????
As a matter of fact, ...they do. :)
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EPA/CAFE/Safety regs force producers to add weight/complexity (meaning price) to cars in the way of emissions gear, stronger/heavier structures, countless safety devices etc etc. The govt. wants more efficient cars but EPA/Safety regs demand heavier and heavier cars which leads to auto makers being farther in the hole every year. Plus all the gear added to engines for emissions saps power AND efficiency. Which means they have to use hybrids/some diesels to cope. This adds a lot to the price of a car. It's a fucking clusters fuck and it doesn't make any sense. It's really shitty ignorant govt. at its finest. And as for your Jetta diesel, it would be far more fuel efficient if it wasn't for the emissions gear needed to make it U.S. spec compliant.
This is sooo true. It's been happening in the trucking industry too. To make matters worse, alot of these re-gen units break down, ...and when that happens, the trucks simply shut off. The down time is just killing them. It sucks that many of these devices have to be there, ...but it's possible to circumvent them by taking care of what they're supposed to take care of prior to the regens even kicking in, ...if it doesn't turn on, less chance of breaking down, and shutting off the entire truck. Then too are the new urea tanks and the additional 16 O2 sensors. Another 500 lbs, and yet another cluster fuck.
And as for trucks you mentioned above. The Tundra, besides being a truck with many quality issues, gets beaten in comparisons and gets lousy gas mileage. Same for the Nissan Titan. Both trucks also tanked in the market place, total failures. The most efficient truck on the market in terms of MPG would be the Chevy Silverado/GMC Sierra and their hybrid versions as well. And anything above a 1/2 ton can't be included because no Asian automaker has dared to venture into that market segment, for good reason.
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I saw a commercial for a hybrid Escalade. Twenty mpg. Pretty interesting . . . .
looks sweet
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I had read this.
Interesting read though. I appreciate your knowledge here. Do you work in the auto industry?
I don't although I have some friends that do. It's one of the things that I love to follow, though.
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Possible Tax Hike Could Increase Gas Prices By 40 Cents
theindychannel.com ^ | 06/03/09 | Rick Hightower
Posted on Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:28:56 AM by Abathar
INDIANAPOLIS -- Gas prices, already on the rise, could jump significantly if Congress approves a large tax increase to help pay for the Federal Gasoline Tax Fund.
The increase could be as much as 40 cents a gallon. In exchange for the big increase, motorists would have a better chance of driving on better maintained state or federal highways, 6News' Rick Hightower reported.
Prices shot above $2.75 a gallon in central Indiana Tuesday. The last thing drivers wanted to hear was that a gas tax increase could send the price much higher, from the current 18 cents a gallon to 58 cents.
"With the way the economy is right now, to raise taxes again … is going to set things back to where it was before," said driver Craig Lewandowski. "The fact that gas prices went down helped out a lot of people."
"I don't like the prices now. I'm a college student. I have no money anyway," said Kara Prewitt. "Gas prices going up is never a good thing."
The fund that pays for highway construction would go broke in August unless Congress infuses about $7 billion needed to keep current projects going.
(Excerpt) Read more at theindychannel.com
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Change I still dont believe in.
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Not sure what you mean by that.
Either way this .40 cent tax hike is laughable. Just enough to keep people pissed but still driving the same number of miles and not changing behavior. If they had any balls it would be $1.00 or $1.50 to really decrease demand and move people into smaller cars out of demand and necessity. No one has the balls to do that though. They would rather hide behind horrible and dumb regs. like CAFE which will not do a thing to change driving habits demand for fuel or people wanting more efficient cars.
Our govt. is fucking retarded.
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I don't although I have some friends that do. It's one of the things that I love to follow, though.
Good. I'm glad you can clear up some of the "information" I've read online, which is apparently not always accurate.
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Not sure what you mean by that.
Either way this .40 cent tax hike is laughable. Just enough to keep people pissed but still driving the same number of miles and not changing behavior. If they had any balls it would be $1.00 or $1.50 to really decrease demand and move people into smaller cars out of demand and necessity. No one has the balls to do that though. They would rather hide behind horrible and dumb regs. like CAFE which will not do a thing to change driving habits demand for fuel or people wanting more efficient cars.
Our govt. is fucking retarded.
The proposal is actually for an 8 cent per year increase for 5 years.
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looks sweet
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Nice. After looking at the price ($75K-$85K) I think I'll pass. I will never pay that much for a car.
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The proposal is actually for an 8 cent per year increase for 5 years.
Exactly. A small increase over a few years so as not to force a change in behavior. What a fucking joke.
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It IS a way to get some extra money for government pork however...
And do you really think the use of taxation to influence human behavior is the best way to do things?
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It IS a way to get some extra money for government pork however...
And do you really think the use of taxation to influence human behavior is the best way to do things?
Well according to GigantorX, it's not designed to influence behaviour, but rather to replenish coffers. :D
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Do you agree with that sentiment?
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Do you agree with that sentiment?
Honestly, ...who the heck knows why Congress does what it does anymore? :-\
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Well according to GigantorX, it's not designed to influence behaviour, but rather to replenish coffers. :D
That is what it is about Jag. You dont live here and see the day to day garbage the congressscum pull on us.
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No taxes for those making under 250 grand....yup. Good job Barry BossMan..tell us another. But before u do..I need to move all these muslims lazy Government Soliders out of my way...I keep tripping over them.
Fixed.
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Well according to GigantorX, it's not designed to influence behaviour, but rather to replenish coffers. :D
I will stand by my opinion because I think it's closest to fact.
Incremental taxes like the proposed gas tax is stupid, plain and simple. Why nickel and dime it for 5 years to reach the .40 cent mark? .8 cents a year for 5 years will do nothing to change anything, it's to small an amount spread over to long a time. People will not even notice it and that's a fact.
It gives the people time to adjust and continue to drive the way they always have and continue to purchase the types of cars they always have. The govt. then gets the same amount of miles driven but with .8 cents a year taxed out of the fuel purchases. It's brilliant really. If the tax was something with teeth, say $.75-1.00 in a single year, habits would change and we would see a drastic change in behavior concerning miles driven and types of cars purchased....but that isn't the point of this tax because if it had balls then revenue from the tax wouldn't be as much as intended because fuel purchases/use would be down drastically. Hence the .8 cents per year.
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Exactly right. The gvt does NOT want to change drivign habits, because that would lower tax revenues coming in. This is the same reason they will never really support alternative fuel vehicles. Gas=$$$.
If the gvt didn't get so much off of gas taxes and fees, we would be 50 years farther into alternative powered vehicles.