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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: SinCitysmallGUY on June 05, 2009, 05:54:07 PM
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Where: Al Hrabosky's Ballpark Saloon at 800 Cerre Street in downtown St. Louis.
When: 3 p.m. Central, 4 p.m. EST.
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MAIN CARD:
182 lbs. (Catchweight): Robbie Lawler (182.75) vs. Jake Shields (181.75)
265 lbs.: Andrei Arlovski (244) vs. Brett Rogers (262)
180 lbs. (Catchweight): Nick Diaz (179) vs. Scott Smith (179.5)
170 lbs.: Phil Baroni (168.75) vs. Joe Riggs (170)
205 lbs.: Kevin Randleman (204) vs. Mike Whitehead (206)
UNDER CARD:
205 lbs.: Rafael Cavalcante (205.5) vs. Mike Kyle (202.5)
170 lbs.: Josh Baumgartner (173.5) vs. Jesse Finney (175.75)
170 lbs.: Tyron Woodley (170.25) vs. Sal Woods (169.25)
185 lbs.: Lucas Lopes (186) vs. Scott Ventimiglia (185)
155 lbs.: Pat Benson (155.75) vs. Dave Cochran (153)
265 lbs.: Booker DeRousse (204.25) vs. James Wade (205.25)
Strikeforce: "Lawler vs. Shields" begins Saturday at 10 p.m. ET/PT.
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:o
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randleman shrunk alot.
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randleman is a genetic freak, hes the type of guy that could have been good in alot of different sports including bodybuilding. im not 100% sure kev juiced but it sure seems like he did, you guys ever see din thomas gyno? din has the worst set of gyno for a fighter with no muscle that ive ever seen
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sheilds is gonna try to get lawler to the ground fast as possible in my opinion
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I'm surprised you guys are not more excited by some of the fights on the main card? And the best part is that it's all free on Showtime!
I think Arlovski has his hands full with the dangerous Brett Rogers who has looked very good in his last few fights. His last fight against that tough Nigerian was a real slug fest!
Lawler and Shields should be good.... and Diaz against Scott Smith should be a barn burner! Smith has come back from the brink of being knocked out ....and then winning fights ......he has to be a fan favorite.... even when he loses fights!
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I'm just happy to see Randleman back on a maincard..... he always comes to fight.
Who could ever forget him upsetting Crocop when Mirko was meant to be at his peak?
Whitehead won't be any pushover for Kevin though. The whole main card looks interesting!
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I'm surprised you guys are not more excited by some of the fights on the main card? And the best part is that it's all free on Showtime!
I think Arlovski has his hands full with the dangerous Brett Rogers who has looked very good in his last few fights. His last fight against that tough Nigerian was a real slug fest!
Lawler and Shields should be good.... and Diaz against Scott Smith should be a barn burner! Smith has come back from the brink of being knocked out ....and then winning fights ......he has to be a fan favorite.... even when he loses fights!
I actually like this card better than UFC 98, WEC 41, and maybe even UFC 99. Rogers is a beast but it will come down to Arlovski's boxing and his ability to stay calm and not jump the gun like he did against Fedor. Rogers hits like a truck and Arlo's chin sucks, so he has that going for him, but as long as Arlo just paces himself and doesent get lured into a "toe to toe" he should be alright. Arlovski could easily end this one on the ground but I don't think he would resort to that. That's kinda the same scenario with Diaz/Smith, Diaz could easily end this one on the ground but he always opts to slug it out, which is where Scott and his hands of stone always present their danger. Diaz has a more accumulation of damage style of boxing, where as Scott has the big right hand. Baroni/Riggs should be a no reguards throwdown for sure. Shields/Lawler thats a toss up, I hope Robbie polished up his takedown defense, and if he did Jake's getting busted up. On the other hand if Jake can get Robbie down, he is really heavy from the top position and could end up either LnP his way to a decision, or even locking up a sub. I have a feeling Kev and Whitehead is gonna be mostly a stand up fight, I even want to see the Kyle/Cavalcante fight. Good shit.
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Excellent post, Chutebox! I agree on all points!
I'm really excited about these fights! I hope Dana pays attention that it's all FREE!
I also want to see the Kyle/Cavalcante fight ..... but it seems it's not on the main card?
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Excellent post, Chutebox! I agree on all points!
I'm really excited about these fights! I hope Dana pays attention that it's all FREE!
I also want to see the Kyle/Cavalcante fight ..... but it seems it's not on the main card?
If there's a quick finish or two they will definately throw Kyle/Cavalcante in as filler. I'm suprised that the UFC isn't doing their usual Spike tv counter programing that they usually do when a rival puts a card on.
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Don't you sometimes wonder how Nick Diaz and Lawler would do again in a rematch?
They have both improved so much since their first fight!!!
Why don't they make it happen?
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Don't you sometimes wonder how Nick Diaz and Lawler would do again in a rematch?
They have both improved so much since their first fight!!!
Why don't they make it happen?
They will eventually, Lawler is a lot better suited for 185lbs. When they last fought he was struggling badly to make 170lbs and sometimes that affects a persons ability to take a punch and recover from one as well. Not to make excuses Nick won fair and square, but it seems as though the punch that put Robbie away was kind of a glancing blow. I'd love to see that rematch, Nick and Jake are team mates and friends so if Robbie wins that is more reason to make that fight happen.
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Mike Whitehead vs. Kevin Randleman - Round 1 -Whitehead with 4 inside leg kicks, make it 5. Takedown by Randleman now and he has Whitehead's back but lets him stand back up. Back to the leg kicks by Mike. Whitehead with the takedown now and Randleman with an elevator to get back to standing. Kevin is looking a little bit gassed. Another takedown by Whitehead but Randleman reverses. Yet another takedown by Whitehead and Randleman just looks old. He's still got some strength but this isn't THE Kevin Randleman of old. Kevin back to standing and Whitehead has a little blood around his right eye. Mike landing some shots on the feet now including some uppercuts. And another takedown by Whitehead and the round ends with him on top. clearly a 10-9 round for Whitehead. Round 2 - Right hand lands for Whitehead and Randleman is hurt a little bit. Clash of heads as Whitehead gets a takedown. Into half guard. Crossface by Whitehead now as he keeps trying to pass and finally gets side control. Working some body shots now but not doing a lot wiith the position. WHitehead almost finishes him with a forearm choke but then moves to mount but Randleman explodes up. they're just circling throwing tired arm punches. 10-9 for Whitehead because he didn't actually do anything to make it 10-8. Round 3 - Overhand right by Randleman and it caughte Whitehead's attention but didn't really do much but Kevin looks motivated. Right hand by Whitehead now. Right hand by Randleman and Whitehead is down! Kevin with hammerfists but can't finish and Mike stands back up. They're both pretty exhausted now and it's all arm punches. Nice jab now by Kevin and a double-leg by Whitehead with 2 minutes left. Kevin gets to his feet nowwith 40 second left. RIght hand by Whitehead rocks him. the round ends and I'd go 10-9 Randleman for the knockdown making the fight 29-28 on my card. Official Scorecards: 29-28 across the board for Mike Whitehead. Mike Whitehead wins by unanimous decision.
Phil Baroni vs. Joe Riggs - Round 1 -Takedown by Riggs and he takes his back. but Baroni survives and now it's back to side control. Back to taking his back, then side control, landing punches along the way. Baroni stands up and gets taken back down, and then the same thing again. Baroni is on top now after Riggs gives up on a takedown and pulls guard. Body work by Phil now. Big John stands them up even though Baroni was punching constantly. Riggs goes for a takedown and ends up on bottom again. The round ends and it was 10-9 Riggs on my card for "positional dominance." Round 2 - Baroni is stalking. Left hand by Riggs and a leg kick follow up. Riggs is looking quicker on the feet. Superman punch followed by a takedown for Riggs. Baroni stands back up and ends up in Riggs' guard. Baroni is sucking wind BADLY. (shocker!) Big knee by Riggs and now a big right hand. Single leg by Riggs but he can't finish, Baroni tries for the single now and it was even less successful. Baroni kind of...flops for a shot but does eventually end up getting on top as Riggs pulls guard. Triangle is deep for Riggs now but as he lands a punch to Phil's head it pops Baroni out. The round ends and it was a pretty one sided round for Riggs, 10-9. Round 3 - They touch gloves to start the round. RESPECT! HONOR! I hate MMA sometimes. Riggs landing some big shots on a gassed Baroni. Spinning heel kick to the ribs lands now. Baroni is just walking around trying to suck in more air than anyone has ever sucked in before. Baroni is just getting eaten alive here. Body kick now. Knee and two punches from Riggs and they all land solid. Baroni is swelling up and walking away and getting hit with anything Joe feels like throwing. Right hand from Phil now and Riggs just takes him down for the last 10 seconds. 10-8 round easily for Riggs to make it 30-26. Official Scorecards: 30-27 across the board. Joe Riggs wins by unanimous decision.
Nick Diaz vs. Scott Smith - Round 1 - Diaz with his usual "wide stance" and landing a few peppering shots. Smith with the power shots but isn't landing yet. More peppering strikes and Smith is trying to figure him out. Bigger hots by Diaz now. High kick, right hand hurts Smith. Right hand by Smith lands hard, and another but he gets hit in return with that one. Diaz sticks his chin out and then eats a right hand. Smith had Diaz's back standing so Diaz is working for the kimura. Takedown by Smith and he stands back up. Smith is landing a little more now. Diaz is landing more often but his game is to eat 6 punches to land 1 so he is playing his style. A few more shots from Smith and Diaz didn't like it and gets a takedown to end the round. 10-9 Diaz on my card. Round 2 - A bunch of flurries from Diaz and again they go to Smith having DIaz's back standing. Smith with a right hand now that lands hard to the side of Nick's head. Body shot hurts Smith but he fires back. Diaz is cut below his eye. Diaz is landing a ton of punches and Smith fires back with a big right. The body shots are the ones that are money for Nick. Smith with an elbow in return. More flurries from Diaz and Smith with a shot and JUST misses a huge head kick. Diaz with three head kicks but nothing too solid. Superman punch by Smith lands and now Diaz is landing again. Body shot and Smith is on the ground as the round ends. Round 3 - Smith comes out aggressive. Body shot hurts Smith again and he just falls down. Diaz is looking for a rear naked now as he takes his back. The choke is in and Smith taps out. Diaz kicks Smith off of him after the fight. Whatever... Nick Diaz wins by Submission (rear naked choke), round 3.
Diaz takes shots at Smith's training partners. I'm sorry but I can't stand him. Talks crap about people and says "I don't want to talk bad about people."
Andrei Arlovski vs. Brett Rogers - Round 1 - ROGERS KNOCKED HIM OUT! 20 SECONDS! Arlovski's chin fails again! Brett Rogers! WHOO! Brett Rogers wins by KO, round 1!
Jake Shields vs. Robbie Lawler - Round 1 -Rght hands from Lawler and kicks from Shields and now a single leg and Lawler defends well. Now landing so me shots on Lawler. Lawler sticks his head right into a guillotine and Lawler has to tap out! Wow! Lawler just GAVE him his neck. Jake Shields wins by submission (guillotine choke), round 1.
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Did you get the feed to work?? That channel usually shows every MMA broadcast. They'll be showing Faber/Brown II tomorrow night I'm sure.
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knocked out in 20 seconds haha he's done.
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Jake Shields avoided Robbie Lawlers big bombs to trap the UFC veteran in a fight ending guillotine choke midway through the first round in the main event of Strikeforce: Lawler vs. Shields.
It took Brett Grim Rogers all of twenty two seconds to dispatch of the heavily favored Andrei Arlovski as the imposing Rogers swarmed the former UFC heavyweight champion with heavy punches to bring about the conclusion of the contest.
Arlovski wasnt the only fighter to be upset on Saturday evenings Strikeforce card as another heavy favorite, Rafael Feijao Cavalcante fell victim to a Mike Kyle TKO in the second round of his preliminary bout.
Also on the main card, Nick Diaz improved upon his recent dismantling of Frank Shamrock when he picked apart Scott Smith on the feet for the duration of the bout before eventually sinking in the fight ending rear-naked choke in the third and final round.
A full list of results from the card are listed below:
Jake Shields def. Robbie Lawler via submission - Round 1, 2:02
Brett Rogers def. Andrei Alorvski via TKO - Round 1, 0:22
Nick Diaz def. Scott Smith via submission - Round 3, 1:41
Joe Riggs def. Phil Baroni via unanimous decision
Mike Whitehead def. Kevin Randleman via unanimous decision
Jesse Finney def. Josh Bumgarner via submission - Round 1, 1:55
Mike Kyle def. Rafael Cavalcante via TKO - Round 2, 4:05
Booker DeRousse def. James Wade via TKO - Round 1, 4:06
Tyron Woodley def. Salvoder Woods via submission - Round 1, 4:20
Lucas Lopes def. Scott Ventimiglia via disqualification - Round 1, 3:26
Pat Benson def. Dave Cochran via submission - Round 1, 2:18
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Wait, it was a HUGE victory when Fedor KO'd him. ::)
Funny........it took the banjolip 20 seconds to KO him and Fedor ran away from him for a few minutes before he got a lucky shot in.
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I bet the klitscho brothers are laying awake at night worried about Arlovski's impending boxing career.....
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Arlovski's chin is total glass :o boxing not the right career move
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Crystal beard
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knocked out in 20 seconds haha he's done.
He's been done. It's why the UFC cut him along time ago...
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Looking forward to WEC tonight!!!
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He's been done. It's why the UFC cut him along time ago...
Hater.
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I never understood why Strikeforce would have Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante on the undercard. The assumption was that they wanted him to fight Sobral for the 205 title and having him fight off of TV didn't make a lot of sense for a promotion that needs to build stars. However, all reports point to him showing up out of shape before getting knocked out by Mike Kyle of all people. Maybe he can still be a star for them down the road but for now I think you pretty much have to feature him on the Challenger shows.
- Kevin Randleman is done. He looked old. He still has some explosive athletic ability but he spent probably 14 minutes of the 15 minute fight just looking like a shot fighter. Whitehead didn't look much better in not ever looking like he had any interest in finishing "The Monster" but with Feijao losing it does open up the door for another challenger at 205. But does anyone really want to see Sobral/Whitehead 2?
- I think I finally achieved some respect for Phil Baroni last night. Not because he looked good (he didn't) or because he showed a dedication to improve his cardio (he didn't). But rather because no one has ever gotten more out of a 13-11 record than Phil has. Every card he is on he manages to become a focal point of the promotion because of his personality even if the outcome of the fight is completely predictable. Joe Riggs deserves some credit for continuing to throw power shots for three full rounds with broken hands and completely dominating the fight. Phil Baroni deserves some credit for making people care about watching him get punched in the face while he struggles to not pass out from a lack of oxygen.
- Nick Diaz is probably my least favorite fighter on the planet, but I still have to give him credit for just working non-stop on the feet against a guy with real KO power in Scott Smith. Smith has heart for days and may be the best "TV fighter" on the planet but he just didn't have an answer to Diaz's swarming style other than throwing home run punches. I don't have to like the guy, but Diaz looked impressive.
- Letting Andrei Arlovski go is one of those Dana White moves that just happens to look brilliant in hindsight. I'm not saying he let him go because he knew he'd eventually get KO'ed by Brett Rogers. But now looking back at it you no longer see the UFC letting a top 5 heavyweight go, just a guy who was probably a little overrated.
- The more important thing with Arlovski is that yeah, his chin isn't great...but where is the defense? I mean, for all the improvement in footwork and punching technique Andrei leaves his chin open way too often. His chin wouldn't ever hold up in the long run in a boxing career. The KO also means that he'll have a medical suspension which will keep him out of his boxing debut that was scheduled for 21 days from the Rogers fight marking at least the third delay to his debut that I can remember.
- I don't think we really learned anything new about Rogers last night. He hits really hard, but we knew that. I've heard a lot of people take shots at the way that he stepped in winging wide punches but he did that after catching and hurting Arlovski. He abandoned technique to finish the fight because it was his best chance of winning. The old "brawl a boxer, box a brawler" thing worked well for Brett and he deserves credit for the win. He's a guy I've always liked but I think we need to hold off before making any determinations of where he really fits into the division.
- Robbie Lawler could not have given that fight away more if he tried. He just leaned in and gave his neck to Shields. There was absolutely no reason to just bend over and stick his head there for the taking. If I learned anything from the main event it is that either guy being considered top 5 in their weight class is not something I can get on board with. Shields looks absolutely horrified when he is forced to exchange on the feet and Lawler just makes too many dumb mistakes but has been allowed to feed on guys that play into his game for the past couple years.
- The broadcast is just awful. The fed lines to Shamrock were corny, Mauro's puns are gag inducing, and Gus seems like he has regressed since the EXC days (when I was a big fan of his potential). But worse than all of that are the musclemen animations of MMA moves. Do I really need an animation of skinless men using poor technique to tell me what a jab is? If they feel the need to show what certain moves are can't they just use clips from actual fights? I enjoy the Strikeforce product, but there is a serious need to fix the broadcast going forward.
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Was Nick Diaz implying that he got inside information on Scott Smith’s weaknesses from Smith’s teammates? That’s what he made it sound like after the fight:
Nick Diaz has suggested that his win over Scott Smith may be credited in part to “betrayal” on the part of Smith’s team mates.
Speaking after the fight, Diaz said of Smith. “I know his partners. They’re not loyal training partners. They’re not good friends to have. We’ve got a team twenty minutes down the road and I know everything they do.
“We work a lot harder than they do. I don’t like to talk bad about people I don’t know, but I know these guys,” he added.
Because Nick Diaz is generally a mumbler and half the things he says don’t seem to make any sense, I thought at the time he was just setting up his dickish invitation to “Come train with a REAL team”. It’s generally hard to tell when Nick is being serious and when he’s just being a dick … maybe this is true. And maybe he was just being a dick. Most likely he was being both. But it’s worth noting that just because Nick Diaz says something is true, it doesn’t always mean it is.
What’s the ethics of this anyways? In my opinion, fight espionage is cheating it takes two to tango. Obviously everyone scours over tapes and talks to former opponents, but accepting information from the teammates of the guy you’re currently about to fight just seems past cheap. No one else has really poked this story around, even on the forums, so it will be interesting to see what comes of it when the rest of the MMA sites pick it up.
UPDATE: I completely got this one wrong. Nick Diaz was just talking about how one of the guys cornering Smith used to be a friend and training partner of Nick’s back in the day:
“…and his partner too that used to train with us … helped like three guys train to fight me … supposed to be my friend I brought him into this sport I started him training and got him into this shit and then from one place to another trying to help people who are trying to beat me and then he goes and here he is cornering another fighter against me with Scott Smith. It never ends with these guys and they have no team unities and I don’t feel like they’re loyal friends to each other and that’s the ball game here, that’s the name of the game, it’s a team sport and you’re only as good as who you train with.”
Honestly, I must have been watching too much TUF lately assuming this story was a straight up training secrets betrayal. I read the line “We’ve got a team twenty minutes down the road and I know everything they do” to mean someone was squealing on Scott’s training down at Cesar Gracie’s. But knowing Nick Diaz, he was just implying his school was better. The former partner Diaz is referring to is Tim McKenzie, and you can read an interview with him at ProMMA.info that goes over the entire beef with Nick.
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Wait, it was a HUGE victory when Fedor KO'd him. ::)
Funny........it took the banjolip 20 seconds to KO him and Fedor ran away from him for a few minutes before he got a lucky shot in.
Arvoloski got sloppier Faster with in this fight. He went for that stupid kick right off the bat. Pretty dumb.
Remember though that this guy was knocking out Lesner in training every so often, he's no slouch.
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Looking forward to WEC tonight!!!
This is an opinion. ;D
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This is an opinion. ;D
Clearly. Glad to see you're off your period :D
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Hater.
;D
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He's been done. It's why the UFC cut him along time ago...
let me quote:
Dana white: we really tried to sign up again.. I'm dissapointed i couldn't make it happen ;)
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lmao
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let me quote:
Dana white: we really tried to sign up again.. I'm dissapointed i couldn't make it happen ;)
I bet he's really disappointed now. :D
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people still buy tickets and paper views to watch him ::)
look at chuck,, ;)
or randy coture as he fights again in august..
people pay too watch names they know ;)
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people still buy tickets and paper views to watch him ::)
look at chuck,, ;)
or randy coture as he fights again in august..
people pay too watch names they know ;)
"paper views"??
Chuck and Randy are alot older than Andre, aren't they? Isn't he only 30? He peaked 5-6 years ago.
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this guys does not need to be in a boxing ring either. It's the last place he needs to be.
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cut the pitbull alittle slack guys, hes in a little slump right now. remember mark coleman before he won the pride grand prix? he was on a 4 or 5 fight losing streak and came back to win the pride grand prix. i dont think andres done, i believe hes in a slump and thats all
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I think Andre's problem is that the fame went to his head.. Unfortunatley so have his last two oppenents fists! I still think that Andre can come back and do great, but he needs to train his ass off. I thought Andre came into the weigh-ins a little soft. He was still rock hard, but not 300 spartan rip hard like he usually does.
It wouldn't suprise me if he didnt take this fight all that serious. Dude has great hands as we all know, but a very questionable chin. People are finding Andre's button before he can find theirs. Not a good situation for the pitbull. I think we will see him at least another two times before he goes bythe way, if he wins he keeps fighting another ko like he has got his last two fights and no one will want him. JMO
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I think Andre's problem is that the fame went to his head.. Unfortunatley so have his last two oppenents fists! I still think that Andre can come back and do great, but he needs to train his ass off. I thought Andre came into the weigh-ins a little soft. He was still rock hard, but not 300 spartan rip hard like he usually does.
It wouldn't suprise me if he didnt take this fight all that serious. Dude has great hands as we all know, but a very questionable chin. People are finding Andre's button before he can find theirs. Not a good situation for the pitbull. I think we will see him at least another two times before he goes bythe way, if he wins he keeps fighting another ko like he has got his last two fights and no one will want him. JMO
His problem is that he has a glass jaw. One minor tap and he's out.
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His problem is that he has a glass jaw. One minor tap and he's out.
This has always been a question relating to Andre. Hell Tim Sylvia sat him on his ass! How many people that are quality has Tim Sylvia put on their ass?
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He's had the glass jaw from day 1. Look at this classic clip of him getting KOd by one of the biggest jokes in MMA
Yes, this guy, whose record is 4 wins 9 losses KOd "the Pitbull"
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He's had the glass jaw from day 1. Look at this classic clip of him getting KOd by one of the biggest jokes in MMA
Yes, this guy, whose record is 4 wins 9 losses KOd "the Pitbull"
Hater!!! You're just posting those in an effort to discredit Fedor's absolutely brutal KO of the infamous and unstoppable "pitbull"!! >:( >:(
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Hater!!! You're just posting those in an effort to discredit Fedor's absolutely brutal KO of the infamous and unstoppable "pitbull"!! >:( >:(
Don't forget about his brutal dismantling of Tim "The Main-iac" Silvia or the devastating beatdown he put on middleweight Matt Linland or the ungodly submission he pulled off against 7'2" Hong Man Choi :o
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Don't forget about his brutal dismantling of Tim "The Main-iac" Silvia or the devastating beatdown he put on middleweight Matt Linland or the ungodly submission he pulled off against 7'2" Hong Man Choi :o
Yes, Hong Man Choi is a beast of a man with an impeccable MMA record with only a single blemish!! :o And Tim Sylvia was too much man for the UFC to contain!
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Merged the Threads wrong smartass...
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Merged the Threads wrong smartass...
:)