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http://www.thepillkills.com/
Attn. all GETBIG ProLifers - today was "The Pill Kills" day.
how many of you you were out there exercising your big brains and protesting the use of birth control?
On Saturday, June 6, pro-lifers across the country will be participating in the largest protest ever against the birth control pill and other birth control products. Last year, participants across the United States shared the facts on exactly how the pill kills babies. This year, we will expose the sordid details surrounding the tragic effects these chemicals have on women. We will emphasize the truth about how the pill kills women.
Join American Life League and protest the pill. Help us unmask the truth and hopefully save lives. You can do this by having a presence outside of doctors’ offices, pharmacies, Planned Parenthood clinics and other family planning facilities, or even out on the sidewalk at a busy intersection. Wherever it is – help get the word out!
http://www.thepillkills.com/
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http://www.thepillkills.com/
Attn. all GETBIG ProLifers - today was "The Pill Kills" day.
how many of you you were out there exercising your big brains and protesting the use of birth control?
On Saturday, June 6, pro-lifers across the country will be participating in the largest protest ever against the birth control pill and other birth control products. Last year, participants across the United States shared the facts on exactly how the pill kills babies. This year, we will expose the sordid details surrounding the tragic effects these chemicals have on women. We will emphasize the truth about how the pill kills women.
Join American Life League and protest the pill. Help us unmask the truth and hopefully save lives. You can do this by having a presence outside of doctors’ offices, pharmacies, Planned Parenthood clinics and other family planning facilities, or even out on the sidewalk at a busy intersection. Wherever it is – help get the word out!
http://www.thepillkills.com/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/31054073#31054073
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/31054073#31054073
good link - I posted it last week
doesn't really have anything to do with Evangelical nutjobs who are protesting the use of birth control
these people seem to get dumber by the day
how soon before they start murdering pharmacists?
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good link - I posted it last week
doesn't really have anything to do with Evangelical nutjobs who are protesting the use of birth control
these people seem to get dumber by the day
how soon before they start murdering pharmacists?
It's just a matter of time before they start picketing pharmacies for carrying oral contraceptives, condoms etc.
The evangelical nutjobs will spread their tentacles wherever they can to radicalize their sheep. It's their MO.
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someone close to me believes the morning after pill is wrong, I asked him if an 11 year old girl gets raped by her uncle should she be allowed an abortion? he said 'it's an unfortunate circumstance but no'
I don't understand how anyone can justify fucking up a 11 year old girls life even more after getting raped by her uncle by forcing her to carry his baby to birth. I think it's more important to spare her more pain and torment than to save some tiny fetus that isnt even remotely developed. i don't understand that POV at all. with that said, i think abortion used as birth control is wrong and late term abortions a woman should have no right to choose unless her life is in danger.
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someone close to me believes the morning after pill is wrong, I asked him if an 11 year old girl gets raped by her uncle should she be allowed an abortion? he said 'it's an unfortunate circumstance but no'
I don't understand how anyone can justify fucking up a 11 year old girls life even more after getting raped by her uncle by forcing her to carry his baby to birth. I think it's more important to spare her more pain and torment than to save some tiny fetus that isnt even remotely developed. i don't understand that POV at all. with that said, i think abortion used as birth control is wrong and late term abortions a woman should have no right to choose unless her life is in danger.
explain to him that the morning after pill is not an abortion pill, it merely prevents conception.
if he's got no problem with a condom then he should have no problem with the morning after pill.
of course, if he's like some of the pro-lifers on this board then facts will be useless.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morning-after-pill/AN00592
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someone close to me believes the morning after pill is wrong, I asked him if an 11 year old girl gets raped by her uncle should she be allowed an abortion? he said 'it's an unfortunate circumstance but no'
I don't understand how anyone can justify fucking up a 11 year old girls life even more after getting raped by her uncle by forcing her to carry his baby to birth. I think it's more important to spare her more pain and torment than to save some tiny fetus that isnt even remotely developed. i don't understand that POV at all. with that said, i think abortion used as birth control is wrong and late term abortions a woman should have no right to choose unless her life is in danger.
The particular pill in question these guys are rallying against is NOT even the morning after pill.
It's the traditional birth control pill designed to prevent conception in the first place.
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explain to him that the morning after pill is not an abortion pill, it merely prevents conception.
if he's got no problem with a condom then he should have no problem with the morning after pill.
of course, if he's like some of the pro-lifers on this board then facts will be useless.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morning-after-pill/AN00592
I wonder how soon it'll be before these nutjobs start protesting abstinence, since that too prevents conception
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Wonder how many of these protesters are religious nuts?
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Wonder how many of these protesters are religious nuts?
Well this particular protest is sponsered by the American Life League which is a hard right Roman Catholic pro-life group.
According to Wiki:
ALL's mission is to end all forms of abortion without any exceptions for health, rape, incest, fetal abnormality, viability, or IVF.
Crusade for the Defense of Our Catholic Church [2] in which ALL seeks to persuade Catholics about its views on abortion, as well as expose pro-choice Catholic politicians who knowingly defy Church doctrine and statements by church officials, including Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, and Pope Benedict XVI. In 2004, ALL published a full-page advertisement in USA Today urging Catholic priests and bishops to deny Communion to Catholic legislators who support abortion rights.[1] The League's slogan in this matter is "You can't be Catholic and pro-abortion."
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ALL has also come under criticism for how it spends its donations. In the fiscal year ending in 2005, ALL spent one third of its income on fundraising and administrative expenses, including almost 9% or $699,857 paid out to its CEOs, more than any other charity in the "public benefit" category.[5] In the fiscal year ending in 2007, $127,707 (1.89%) was paid out to its president Judie Brown
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Well this particular protest is sponsered by the American Life League which is a hard right Roman Catholic pro-life group.
According to Wiki:
ALL's mission is to end all forms of abortion without any exceptions for health, rape, incest, fetal abnormality, viability, or IVF.
Crusade for the Defense of Our Catholic Church [2] in which ALL seeks to persuade Catholics about its views on abortion, as well as expose pro-choice Catholic politicians who knowingly defy Church doctrine and statements by church officials, including Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, and Pope Benedict XVI. In 2004, ALL published a full-page advertisement in USA Today urging Catholic priests and bishops to deny Communion to Catholic legislators who support abortion rights.[1] The League's slogan in this matter is "You can't be Catholic and pro-abortion."
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ALL has also come under criticism for how it spends its donations. In the fiscal year ending in 2005, ALL spent one third of its income on fundraising and administrative expenses, including almost 9% or $699,857 paid out to its CEOs, more than any other charity in the "public benefit" category.[5] In the fiscal year ending in 2007, $127,707 (1.89%) was paid out to its president Judie Brown
They sound to me like a seditious terrorist organization attempting to infiltrate and undermine the US government and compromise it's principals of separation of church & state. Someone should look into their tax exempt status.
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good link - I posted it last week
doesn't really have anything to do with Evangelical nutjobs who are protesting the use of birth control
these people seem to get dumber by the day
how soon before they start murdering pharmacists?
Are Evangelicals and the American Life League group the same thing? Do you know what an Evangelical is?
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I'm not on this board much but don't remember seeing anyone against preventative birth control. ???
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Are Evangelicals and the American Life League group the same thing? Do you know what an Evangelical is?
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/evangelical
Adjective
evangelical (comparative more evangelical, superlative most evangelical)
1. Pertaining to the gospel(s) of the Christian New Testament
2. Pertaining to the doctrines or teachings of the Christian gospel or Christianity in general.
3. Protestant; specifically, designating European churches which were originally Lutheran rather than Calvinist.
4. Pertaining to a movement in Protestant Christianity that stresses personal conversion and the authority of the Bible (evangelicalism).
5. Zealously enthusiastic.
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Are Evangelicals and the American Life League group the same thing? Do you know what an Evangelical is?
they don't appear to be the same thing but they seem to come together on certain issues
I think I know what an evangelical is
thinks they are a sinner
thinks jesus is god and came to earth to die for their sins
thinks they have a personal relationship with jesus
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after that it just gets nutty
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they don't appear to be the same thing but they seem to come together on certain issues
I think I know what an evangelical is
thinks they are a sinner
thinks jesus is god and came to earth to die for their sins
thinks they have a personal relationship with jesus
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after that it just gets nutty
They are not the same thing. So please stop spewing ignorance and hate toward a group of people whom you seem to know nothing about. Evangelicals as a group are not against birth control. And Roman Catholics are not Evangelicals.
That goes for you to, Jag. Stop your ignorance and hate. Mormons and Jehovah's Witness are not Evangelicals either.
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good link - I posted it last week
doesn't really have anything to do with Evangelical nutjobs who are protesting the use of birth control
tese people seem to get dumber by the day
how soon before they start murdering pharmacists?
Hahahaha the black voodoo witch being exposed as a reposter...
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They are not the same thing. So please stop spewing ignorance and hate toward a group of people whom you seem to know nothing about. Evangelicals as a group are not against birth control. And Roman Catholics are not Evangelicals.
That goes for you to, Jag. Stop your ignorance and hate. Mormons and Jehovah's Witness are not Evangelicals either.
No Loco, you stop your ignorance. I use the word in it's adjective form, not as a proper noun.
If English was your first language, perhaps you'd know this. Anyone can be evangelical.
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No Loco, you stop your ignorance. I use the word in it's adjective form, not as a proper noun.
If English was your first language, perhaps you'd know this. Anyone can be evangelical.
Oh, I see. So you and Straw Man think "anyone" is against birth control. ::)
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Hahahaha the black voodoo witch being exposed as a reposter...
Voodoo witch? :-\ Should I take it you no longer have a school boy crush on me? ???
PS: There's a reason you were stuck in TimeOut for so long {mwahahahaha}
(http://www.square-mag.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Voodoo.jpg)
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Oh, I see. So you and Straw Man think "anyone" is against birth control. ::)
No, I said anyone can be considered evangelical. I use the word as an adjective not a noun.
Seriously, get a better grasp of the english language if you're going to try to converse in it.
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No, I said anyone can be considered evangelical. I use the word as an adjective not a noun.
Seriously, get a better grasp of the english language if you're going to try to converse in it.
So tell us, Condi Rice, who can be considered evangelical? Can you be considered evangelical, since anyone can be?
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They are not the same thing. So please stop spewing ignorance and hate toward a group of people whom you seem to know nothing about. Evangelicals as a group are not against birth control. And Roman Catholics are not Evangelicals.
That goes for you to, Jag. Stop your ignorance and hate. Mormons and Jehovah's Witness are not Evangelicals either.
when did I say Roman Catholics and Evangelicals were the same thing?
When did I ever mention Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses?
So you don't think some Evangelicals are against birth control?
Have you read any of the Abstinence Only Curricullum? There are plenty of lies about birth control in that material and there are in fact Evangelicals who are opposed to birth control. There are even some on this board.
BTW - I don't hate either group. I do condemn some of their actions but I have no problem with them as a group. I think people should be free to believe do whatever they want as long as it doesn't impose on the freedom of others
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Oh, I see. So you and Straw Man think "anyone" is against birth control. ::)
how do you arrive at these conclusions.
It apparent that a certain segment of the pro-life movement is also against birth control
It's apparent that some of those people belong to various flavors of Jesus is God crowd (multiple forms of christians, catholics, etc..).
They mostly appear to be part of the more extreme christian and catholic groups.
I'm not saying you're one of those people but why all the nonsense trying to pretend they don't exist
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when did I say Roman Catholics and Evangelicals were the same thing?
Then why did you quote me and address my comment directly with this?
Really? Evangelicals are not against birth control to my knowledge. The Roman Catholic church is, and they are not Evangelicals.
http://www.thepillkills.com/
Attn. all GETBIG ProLifers - don't forget that today is "THE PILL KILLS" DAY
On Saturday, June 6, pro-lifers across the country will be participating in the largest protest ever against the birth control pill and other birth control products. Last year, participants across the United States shared the facts on exactly how the pill kills babies. This year, we will expose the sordid details surrounding the tragic effects these chemicals have on women. We will emphasize the truth about how the pill kills women.
Join American Life League and protest the pill. Help us unmask the truth and hopefully save lives. You can do this by having a presence outside of doctors’ offices, pharmacies, Planned Parenthood clinics and other family planning facilities, or even out on the sidewalk at a busy intersection. Wherever it is – help get the word out!
http://www.thepillkills.com/
Well this particular protest is sponsered by the American Life League which is a hard right Roman Catholic pro-life group.
Explain the above.
When did I ever mention Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses?
I was addressing Jag about that. She is the one confusing Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses with Evangelicals. Perhaps she should stop answering for you when I ask you a question.
So you don't think some Evangelicals are against birth control?
Have you read any of the Abstinence Only Curricullum? There are plenty of lies about birth control in that material and there are in fact Evangelicals who are opposed to birth control. There are even some on this board.
BTW - I don't hate either group. I do condemn some of their actions but I have no problem with them as a group. I think people should be free to believe do whatever they want as long as it doesn't impose on the freedom of others
I grew up in an Evangelical Christian home. I have attended Evangelical churches all my life, in two different countries. Not once have I heard an Evangelical oppose birth control.
But having been raised in a mostly Roman Catholic nation, I did hear opposition to birth control all the time from Catholics.
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I was addressing Jag about that. She is the one confusing Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses with Evangelicals. Perhaps she should stop answering for you when I ask you a question.
Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.
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Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.
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Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot. ::)
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I grew up in an Evangelical Christian home. I have attended Evangelical churches all my life, in two different countries. Not once have I heard an Evangelical oppose birth control.
what exactly are we debating?
You say given the wide experience of your home life that no evangelicals are against birth control?
I grew up in a Catholic home and I know my mother and sister both used birth control so should I draw the conclusion that no other Catholic is opposed to birth control
I say there are evangelicals against birth control and the #'s appear to be growing. I'll send you links if you'd like or you can just google it for yourself. They do exist and I expect that even the American Life League has it's share of evengelicals even though it is a Catholic organization
I do agree with you (I think you share this point of view) that opposition to contraception is reckless and stupid
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Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot. ::)
It's obviously not good enough for him to understand what I've been saying. :-\
A proposito, parlo più di una lingua. :)
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Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.
When you were expressing your hate for evangelicals and your desire to murder evangelicals, you referred to them as the ones who go door to door. The ones that go door to door religiously are the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witness, not the Evangelicals, though maybe we should start doing that too.
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Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot. ::)
Gracias, maestro! ;D
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When you were expressing your hate for evangelicals and your desire to murder evangelicals, you referred to them as the ones to go door to door. The ones that go door to door religiously are the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witness, not the Evangelicals, though maybe we should start doing that too.
I believe I said I didn't have a problem with mormons because when you ask them to go away they do.
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what exactly are we debating?
I said Evangelicals do not oppose birth control. You say they do, and to prove it, you show me Roman Catholics opposing birth control.
There are Roman Catholics who do NOT oppose birth control. Those are the exceptions and not the norm, nor is that the position of the Catholic Church.
If you can find a few Evangelicals who oppose birth control, they would be the exception, and I still have not met any.
You are basing your statement about Evangelicals and birth control on possibilities and guesses only.
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It's obviously not good enough for him to understand what I've been saying. :-\
A proposito, parlo più di una lingua. :)
Wow... ::)
It is an ad hominen attack on your part to claim that loco's disagreement stems from some kind of language based misunderstanding. That is utter nonsense. I disagree with virtually everything he believes and his religious fundamentalism is strange in the extreme to me but that has nothing to do with a misunderstanding of language. Ozmo does the same thing. Quite frankly I am sick and tired of people attacking loco because he is not an English native speaker and claiming he does not understand English. He DOES and understands it very well indeed, far better than many native speakers. He is perfectly fluent in it. Lay off spouting such nonsense because it is simply not true.
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Wow... ::)
It is an ad hominen attack on your part to claim that loco's disagreement stems from some kind of language based misunderstanding. That is utter nonsense. I disagree with virtually everything he believes and his religious fundamentalism is strange in the extreme to me but that has nothing to do with a misunderstanding of language. Ozmo does the same thing. Quite frankly I am sick and tired of people attacking loco because he is not an English native speaker and claiming he does not understand English. He DOES and understands it very well indeed, far better than many native speakers. He is perfectly fluent in it. Lay off spouting such nonsense because it is simply not true.
By your removing the "language barrier" excuse, ...I can only conclude he's just plain obtuse then. :-\
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I said Evangelicals do not oppose birth control. You say they do, and to prove it, you show me Roman Catholics opposing birth control.
Here is one but there are many more I could include: http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/15/evangelicals-questioning-birth-control/
here's an excerpt in case you don't have time to check the link
One of the oddest phenomena in the current era is that there may soon be more Evangelicals spurning birth control than Catholics. It is a topic that has been gaining steam for some years in Evangelical circles, though they would never admit something so bold as that maybe H.H. Paul VI was right in writing Humanae Vitae.
Evidence of this small but remarkable and growing trend can be found over at Lawn Gospel (a very fine Evangelical blog that shies from nothing) in a post called Birth Control: The Partly Natural Family, Children Aborted from the Mind.
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By your removing the "language barrier" excuse, ...I can only conclude he's just plain obtuse then. :-\
He's a fundy...
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Here is one but there are many more I could include: http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/15/evangelicals-questioning-birth-control/
Why don't you?
here's an excerpt in case you don't have time to check the link
One of the oddest phenomena in the current era is that there may soon be more Evangelicals spurning birth control than Catholics. It is a topic that has been gaining steam for some years in Evangelical circles, though they would never admit something so bold as that maybe H.H. Paul VI was right in writing Humanae Vitae.
Evidence of this small but remarkable and growing trend can be found over at Lawn Gospel (a very fine Evangelical blog that shies from nothing) in a post called Birth Control: The Partly Natural Family, Children Aborted from the Mind.
This is news to me, and I have already told you my Evangelical background.
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He's a fundy...
Yes, I am. ;D
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Why don't you?
would it make any difference?
All you need to do is google evangelical and birth control
This is news to me, and I have already told you my Evangelical background.
you're welcome
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would it make any difference?
Yes.
All you need to do is google evangelical and birth control
you're welcome
Yeah, right. It took you this long to finally post something about Evangelicals opposing birth control, and it doesn't even talk about present time or even the past, but about what it might be like in the future for Evangelicals and birth control.
You made a baseless claim and then you went hunting for proof after I disputed your claim. You should have proof first, before making claims like that.
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Yes.
ok - tell me how many links you need before you concede it exists
Yeah, right. It took you this long to finally post something about Evangelicals opposing birth control, and it doesn't even talk about present time or even the past, but about what it might be like in the future for Evangelicals and birth control.
You made a baseless claim and then you went hunting for proof after I disputed your claim. You should have proof first, before making claims like that.
I made the claim after knowing it was true. I assumed you were already aware of it. Shit, some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control. It seems you're the only one left who is not aware of it
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some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control.
Who?
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ok - tell me how many links you need before you concede it exists
I made the claim after knowing it was true. I assumed you were already aware of it. Shit, some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control. It seems you're the only one left who is not aware of it
You know this is true based on what, the one link above? Post everything you've got.
Which Evangelicals on this board oppose birth control?
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Who?
My recollection is that Bum is opposed to birth control to the extent that he has said he would never teach it to his children and I believe he's said that condoms "don't work".
I could look for the quotes but maybe he can just chime in and tell us his views on birth control.
Maybe my recollection is wrong
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You know this is true based on what, the one link above? Post everything you've got.
Which Evangelicals on this board oppose birth control?
how about this - use the google and do it yourself instead of pretending that it doesn't exist
why would I spend all that time trying to convince you of something that you seem to want to be in denial about
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My recollection is that Bum is opposed to birth control to the extent that he has said he would never teach it to his children and I believe he's said that condoms "don't work".
I could look for the quotes but maybe he can just chime in and tell us his views on birth control.
Maybe my recollection is wrong
::) Wrong. Although it is true I will never put kids on birth control, I never said I was opposed to birth control. I am not opposed to birth control and don't know any "Evangelicals" who are.
I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them. The "research" you provided proved my point. The fact condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregnancies, despite their widespread availability proves my point.
So yes, your recollection is wrong.
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::) Wrong. Although it is true I will never put kids on birth control, I never said I was opposed to birth control. I am not opposed to birth control and don't know any "Evangelicals" who are.
I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them. The "research" you provided proved my point. The fact condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregnancies, despite their widespread availability proves my point.
So yes, your recollection is wrong.
you state as "fact" that condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregancy. What is the source of this "fact"
How does one quantify pregnancies that were actually prevented? I'm sure must have a source for this.
How about the prophylactic benefit of condoms in the preventing the spread of STD's? Does that not work either?
Was my recollection correct that you would never teach your children about birth control?
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you state as "fact" that condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregancy. What is the source of this "fact"
How does one quantify pregnancies that were actually prevented? I'm sure must have a source for this.
How about the prophylactic benefit of condoms in the preventing the spread of STD's? Does that not work either?
Was my recollection correct that you would never teach your children about birth control?
I just said that. I will never put kids on birth control. That doesn't mean I'm opposed to birth control.
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how about this - use the google and do it yourself instead of pretending that it doesn't exist
why would I spend all that time trying to convince you of something that you seem to want to be in denial about
You said you had more stuff that you can post if it makes a difference to me. I said yes, it does, post it.
I guess you were just bluffing.
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I just said that. I will never put kids on birth control. That doesn't mean I'm opposed to birth control.
would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old your kids are) about birth control?
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You said you had more stuff that you can post if it makes a difference to me. I said yes, it does, post it.
I guess you were just bluffing.
again - why should I invest my time when it's apparent that you'd rather deny that it exists:
here's a few more from the top of a simple google search. If I give you 20 or 30 would it make any more difference thatn 2 or 4?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html
http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html
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would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old your kids are) about birth control?
Why are you asking? You're a single middle-age man with no kids. Why the interest in child rearing methods and kids? Are you a pedophile?
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I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them.
That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said, ...and you've said many stupid things.
of course something will not work, ...if it's not used. ::)
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Why are you asking? You're a single middle-age man with no kids. Why the interest in child rearing methods and kids? Are you a pedophile?
why are you avoiding a simple question?
I've already explained in other threads about my personal life (my GF of 7 years owns her home, as do I, she has 2 almost adult children, neither of us want to get married or have more kids).
Now let's try again.
would you ever teach your teenagers (I don't know how old your kids are) about birth control?..... you know just to protect their health and their future just in case their willpower fails.
don't be ashamed of your beliefs. Fill us all in. I'm sure you will find some that agree with you.
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That's one of the stupidest things you've ever said, ...and you've said many stupid things.
of course something will not work, ...if it's not used. ::)
::) That's why they don't work Einstein. Kids do not and will not ever consistently use them. Someone with a 160 IQ should be able to understand that.
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::) That's why they don't work Einstein. Kids do not and will not ever consistently use them. Someone with a 160 IQ should be able to understand that.
I'm pretty sure I posted a recent study showing compliance among male teenagers was actually quite high.
I wonder what fails more frequently - willpower of a horny teenager or a condom.
Does anyone else here agree with Bum that condoms don't work?
Would any other parents on this site rather their kid go without any safety net and just say abstain and don't worry about a back up plan?
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again - why should I invest my time when it's apparent that you'd rather deny that it exists:
here's a few more from the top of a simple google search. If I give you 20 or 30 would it make any more difference thatn 2 or 4?
Yes
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html
http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html
How do these say that Evangelicals as a norm appose birth control? Did you even read these?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html
"What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/may/09052707.html
"For many evangelical Christians, birth control has been an issue of concern only for Catholics... THAT IS ALL CHANGING."
Dr. Albert Mohler, President
Southern Baptist Seminary
This is only the opinion of this one person, and it actually confirms what I've been telling you. Why would he be trying to convinced Evangelicals to oppose birth control if they already opposed it, as you claim?
The Southern Baptist Association does not oppose birth control and no Southern Baptist church that I have attended in any country has preached against birth control.
http://www.crosswalk.com/parenting/11555796/
This is one couple that used birth control at first, then they gave it up and they tell why.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/01/why-pro-lifers-hate-family-pla.html
This one says that Evangelicals oppose distributing birth control to young, single people because it encourages pre-marital sex. But they do not oppose birth control if used by married couples. This is the same thing Beach Bum has been saying.
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How do these say that Evangelicals as a norm appose birth control? Did you even read these?
I did read them - did you?
I never said Evangelicals AS A NORM oppose birth control ....did I?
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I did read them - did you?
I never said Evangelicals AS A NORM oppose birth control ....did I?
Yes, I read them. They do not say Evangelicals oppose birth control.
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Yes, I read them. They do not say Evangelicals oppose birth control.
Loco - seriously -try reading this again. The author clearly suggests that many christians are re-thinking birth control and the ones that are still in favor of it (especially the morning after pill) are confused about the sanctity of human life
The one paragraph you posted sounds more like a lament that young christians don't take this issue more seriously ....i.e. my perception is that the author is implying that if they understood the "issue" better they would reject the use of birth control.
According to the author less than half of evangelicals support the use of the morngin after pill which as you know is merely a contraceptive and not an abortion pill.
“What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control.”
Evangelical Leader: Young Protestant Couples Rejecting “Contraception Revolution”
By Gudrun Schultz
LOUISVILLE, Kentucky, November 3, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Young Christian couples are re-thinking contraceptive use and biblical teaching on human sexuality, in response to a growing awareness of the social damage caused by the sexual revolution, a foremost leader in the U.S evangelical community told Christianity Today last month.
Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., is a theologian and ordained minister, serving as president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, the leading educational institution of the Southern Baptist Convention. He said Christian evangelicals are questioning the effects widespread reliance on birth control has had on society.
“In the first place, this generation has now come to adulthood at a time when we can take some stock of the impact represented by the sexual revolution and by the easy access to effective contraception and birth control,” Dr. Mohler said.
“And the burden now seems to be, ‘What did all of this mean? What was the affect of the birth control revolution? What kind of changes in human institutions and relationships came as a result of the Pill? What about the missing generation among us of children who would otherwise be present were it not for the easy availability of effective birth control?’”
The previous generation’s acceptance of a secular understanding of sexuality and marriage is no longer satisfactory to young people, Dr. Mohler said, who are challenging the separation between fertility and sexuality in the popular mindset.
“The second issue is, in this postmodern time, a recovery, among the young, of a biblical ideal of marriage. They are doing their very best to rethink the basic questions and, in doing so, they are embarrassed by the easy, rather unreflective embrace of the contraception culture that marked evangelicalism in the 1960s and 70s. So they want to rethink all this.
“The third thing is, I think, a deep embrace of a biblical notion of sexuality, post-the sexual revolution, has led many younger evangelicals to think seriously about this question, and all this adds up to giant question mark in the minds of many young Christians. Can we join the contraceptive revolution? And, if not, how do we think about these things in a way that will strengthen our marriages and be most pleasing to God.”
Dr. Mohler said survey indications showing almost half of pro-life Americans support easy access to the abortifacient morning-after pill reveals the lack of consistent thinking among evangelicals on the issue.
“What we face are many evangelicals whose understanding of these things is rather superficial at best and largely influenced by the culture. And so they know how to answer the question about the sanctity of human life correctly, in the main, but they do not know how to apply that to the question of birth control.”
Read coverage in Christianity Today:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/octoberweb-only/143-12.0.html
See related LifeSiteNews coverage:
BAPTIST SEMINARY CHALLENGES CULTURE OF DEATH
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jan/03011008.html
Joint Evangelical and Catholic Document on Abortion calls it Murder
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/oct/06102305.html
Humanae Vitae Conference Celebrates Sexuality, Reveals Dark Legacy of Contraception
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/may/06052402.html
URL: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/nov/06110302.html
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Just wondering - do any other evangelicals on this board believe in NOT teaching your kids about birth control?
If not for birth control what about protecting their health?
If so, why?