The Pill Kills

[24KT]

I was addressing Jag about that.  She is the one confusing Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses with Evangelicals.  Perhaps she should stop answering for you when I ask you a question.

Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.

[Deicide]

Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.

 

Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot.

[Straw Man]

I grew up in an Evangelical Christian home.  I have attended Evangelical churches all my life, in two different countries.  Not once have I heard an Evangelical oppose birth control.

what exactly are we debating?

You say given the wide experience of your home life that no evangelicals are against birth control?

I grew up in a Catholic home and I know my mother and sister both used birth control so should I draw the conclusion that no other Catholic is opposed to birth control

I say there are evangelicals against birth control and the #'s appear to be growing.  I'll send you links if you'd like or you can just google it for yourself.  They do exist and I expect that even the American Life League has it's share of evengelicals even though it is a Catholic organization

I do agree with you (I think you share this point of view) that opposition to contraception is reckless and stupid

[24KT]

Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot.

It's obviously not good enough for him to understand what I've been saying.  

A proposito, parlo pił di una lingua.  

[loco]

Where and when did I ever say Mormons were evangelical?
You really must get a better grasp of the english language.

When you were expressing your hate for evangelicals and your desire to murder evangelicals, you referred to them as the ones who go door to door.  The ones that go door to door religiously are the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witness, not the Evangelicals, though maybe we should start doing that too.

[loco]

Loco's English is great. Maybe you should learn Spanish, monoglot.

Gracias, maestro!   

[24KT]

When you were expressing your hate for evangelicals and your desire to murder evangelicals, you referred to them as the ones to go door to door.  The ones that go door to door religiously are the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witness, not the Evangelicals, though maybe we should start doing that too.

I believe I said I didn't have a problem with mormons because when you ask them to go away they do.

[loco]

what exactly are we debating?

I said Evangelicals do not oppose birth control.  You say they do, and to prove it, you show me Roman Catholics opposing birth control.

There are Roman Catholics who do NOT oppose birth control.  Those are the exceptions and not the norm, nor is that the position of the Catholic Church.  

If you can find a few Evangelicals who oppose birth control, they would be the exception, and I still have not met any.

You are basing your statement about Evangelicals and birth control on possibilities and guesses only.

[Deicide]

It's obviously not good enough for him to understand what I've been saying.  

A proposito, parlo pił di una lingua.  

Wow...

It is an ad hominen attack on your part to claim that loco's disagreement stems from some kind of language based misunderstanding. That is utter nonsense. I disagree with virtually everything he believes and his religious fundamentalism is strange in the extreme to me but that has nothing to do with a misunderstanding of language. Ozmo does the same thing. Quite frankly I am sick and tired of people attacking loco because he is not an English native speaker and claiming he does not understand English. He DOES and understands it very well indeed, far better than many native speakers. He is perfectly fluent in it. Lay off spouting such nonsense because it is simply not true.

[24KT]

Wow...

It is an ad hominen attack on your part to claim that loco's disagreement stems from some kind of language based misunderstanding. That is utter nonsense. I disagree with virtually everything he believes and his religious fundamentalism is strange in the extreme to me but that has nothing to do with a misunderstanding of language. Ozmo does the same thing. Quite frankly I am sick and tired of people attacking loco because he is not an English native speaker and claiming he does not understand English. He DOES and understands it very well indeed, far better than many native speakers. He is perfectly fluent in it. Lay off spouting such nonsense because it is simply not true.

By your removing the "language barrier" excuse, ...I can only conclude he's just plain obtuse then. 

[Straw Man]

I said Evangelicals do not oppose birth control.  You say they do, and to prove it, you show me Roman Catholics opposing birth control.

Here is one but there are many more I could include: http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/15/evangelicals-questioning-birth-control/

here's an excerpt in case you don't have time to check the link

One of the oddest phenomena in the current era is that there may soon be more Evangelicals spurning birth control than Catholics. It is a topic that has been gaining steam for some years in Evangelical circles, though they would never admit something so bold as that maybe H.H. Paul VI was right in writing Humanae Vitae.

Evidence of this small but remarkable and growing trend can be found over at Lawn Gospel (a very fine Evangelical blog that shies from nothing) in a post called Birth Control: The Partly Natural Family, Children Aborted from the Mind.

[Deicide]

By your removing the "language barrier" excuse, ...I can only conclude he's just plain obtuse then. 

He's a fundy...

[loco]

Here is one but there are many more I could include: http://blog.ancient-future.net/2008/03/15/evangelicals-questioning-birth-control/

Why don't you?

here's an excerpt in case you don't have time to check the link

One of the oddest phenomena in the current era is that there may soon be more Evangelicals spurning birth control than Catholics. It is a topic that has been gaining steam for some years in Evangelical circles, though they would never admit something so bold as that maybe H.H. Paul VI was right in writing Humanae Vitae.

Evidence of this small but remarkable and growing trend can be found over at Lawn Gospel (a very fine Evangelical blog that shies from nothing) in a post called Birth Control: The Partly Natural Family, Children Aborted from the Mind.

This is news to me, and I have already told you my Evangelical background.

[loco]

He's a fundy...

Yes, I am.   

[Straw Man]

Why don't you?

would it make any difference?

All you need to do is google evangelical and birth control

This is news to me, and I have already told you my Evangelical background.

you're welcome

[loco]

would it make any difference?

Yes.

All you need to do is google evangelical and birth control

you're welcome

Yeah, right.  It took you this long to finally post something about Evangelicals opposing birth control, and it doesn't even talk about present time or even the past, but about what it might be like in the future for Evangelicals and birth control. 

You made a baseless claim and then you went hunting for proof after I disputed your claim.  You should have proof first, before making claims like that.

[Straw Man]

Yes.

ok - tell me how many links you need before you concede it exists

Yeah, right.  It took you this long to finally post something about Evangelicals opposing birth control, and it doesn't even talk about present time or even the past, but about what it might be like in the future for Evangelicals and birth control. 

You made a baseless claim and then you went hunting for proof after I disputed your claim.  You should have proof first, before making claims like that.

I made the claim after knowing it was true.  I assumed you were already aware of it.  Shit, some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control.   It seems you're the only one left who is not aware of it

[Butterbean]

some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control.  

Who?

[loco]

ok - tell me how many links you need before you concede it exists

I made the claim after knowing it was true.  I assumed you were already aware of it.  Shit, some of your fellow fundies' on this board are opposed to birth control.   It seems you're the only one left who is not aware of it

You know this is true based on what, the one link above?  Post everything you've got.

Which Evangelicals on this board oppose birth control?

[Straw Man]

Who?

My recollection is that Bum is opposed to birth control to the extent that he has said he would never teach it to his children and I believe he's said that condoms "don't work".

I could look for the quotes but maybe he can just chime in and tell us his views on birth control.

Maybe my recollection is wrong

[Straw Man]

You know this is true based on what, the one link above?  Post everything you've got.

Which Evangelicals on this board oppose birth control?

how about this - use the google and do it yourself instead of pretending that it doesn't exist

why would I spend all that time trying to convince you of something that you seem to want to be in denial about

[Dos Equis]

My recollection is that Bum is opposed to birth control to the extent that he has said he would never teach it to his children and I believe he's said that condoms "don't work".

I could look for the quotes but maybe he can just chime in and tell us his views on birth control.

Maybe my recollection is wrong

  Wrong.  Although it is true I will never put kids on birth control, I never said I was opposed to birth control.  I am not opposed to birth control and don't know any "Evangelicals" who are.

I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them.  The "research" you provided proved my point.  The fact condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregnancies, despite their widespread availability proves my point.       

So yes, your recollection is wrong.   

[Straw Man]

  Wrong.  Although it is true I will never put kids on birth control, I never said I was opposed to birth control.  I am not opposed to birth control and don't know any "Evangelicals" who are.

I've also said condoms "don't work" to the extent that guys, particularly teenagers, will not consistently use them.  The "research" you provided proved my point.  The fact condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregnancies, despite their widespread availability proves my point.       

So yes, your recollection is wrong.   

you state as "fact" that condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregancy.  What is the source of this "fact"

How does one quantify pregnancies that were actually prevented? I'm sure must have a source for this.

How about the prophylactic benefit of condoms in the preventing the spread of STD's?  Does that not work either?   

Was my recollection correct that you would never teach your children about birth control?

[Dos Equis]

you state as "fact" that condoms have done little to stem unwanted pregancy.  What is the source of this "fact"

How does one quantify pregnancies that were actually prevented? I'm sure must have a source for this.

How about the prophylactic benefit of condoms in the preventing the spread of STD's?  Does that not work either?   

Was my recollection correct that you would never teach your children about birth control?

I just said that.  I will never put kids on birth control.  That doesn't mean I'm opposed to birth control.   

[loco]

how about this - use the google and do it yourself instead of pretending that it doesn't exist

why would I spend all that time trying to convince you of something that you seem to want to be in denial about

You said you had more stuff that you can post if it makes a difference to me.  I said yes, it does, post it.

I guess you were just bluffing.