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Um Hmph...Like I said before teh foolish Joo thinks america is on it's side. HAHAHAHAH...Here come their destruction militarily, politically, socially, economically and religiously. The so called great BEBE is digressing right on que. IsraHell will be divided in two, western ideologies will bombard Israhell and the government of Israhell will be one of an international nature like the UN, NATO or similar organization. This new goverment will allow the joo to express his "religion" to a degree before terminating it all together. THen will come protests, then will come more oppression...It is just about lights out for the joo.
Binyamin Netanyahu may yield to two-state solution after pressure from Obama
James Hider in Jerusalem
Binyamin Netanyahu is expected to endorse a “two-state solution” in a much-heralded speech this weekend, but he may stall on American demands to freeze Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
Feeling the squeeze between the US Administration, which wants a moratorium on settlement growth and a commitment to a Palestinian state, and his national-religious coalition, which favours neither, the Israeli Prime Minister appears likely to try to steer a middle course.
Israeli newspapers were full of speculation about what Mr Netanyahu — who has so far refused openly to back a Palestinian state alongside Israel — might offer to deflect pressure from Washington. Ehud Barak, his Defence Minister, urged him this week to recognise a Palestinian state, but members of Mr Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party have cautioned him against the move.
Haaretz, the centre-left newspaper, said that the Prime Minister was likely to mention a two-state solution and pledge to adhere to the “road map” — a US-brokered document that calls for an end to Israeli settlement building and a clampdown on militant groups by the Palestinian Authority. The road map was adopted in 2003 but both sides have accused each other of failing to meet their obligations.
While accepting the road map Mr Netanyahu is not thought to be planning to mention an explicit freeze on settlements, as demanded by President Obama in his keynote speech to the Muslim world in Cairo last week.
In conceding to a two-state solution, he may even try to ask the US to relax its demands that all settlement expansions should be stopped — a move that is vehemently opposed by Mr Netanyahu’s national-religious constituency.
Such a compromise would in effect take the peace process back to where it was under the previous centre-left Government of Ehud Olmert, whose resignation amid repeated corruption allegations eventually brought the Israeli Right to power this year. Mr Olmert had pledged to take action against settlements but opponents said that the Jewish communities built on land conquered by Israel in the 1967 war still enjoyed an unprecedented growth spurt while he was in office.
The dilemma faced by Mr Netanyahu will raise uncomfortable memories of his first stint as Prime Minister in the late 1990s, when his fractious right-wing coalition toppled him after he yielded to American pressure to hand over tracts of the West Bank to the control of the Palestinian Authority as part of the now defunct Oslo peace accords.
Analysts noted that Mr Netanyahu appeared to have been taken by surprise by the strength of Mr Obama’s resolve to thwart the growth of settlements.
Members of the ruling coalition, wary of their leader caving in, have cautioned the Prime Minister against giving too much away before negotiations have even resumed. “The US pressure is mainly psychological. One should not forget that the President is not the only one in the United States. There’s the Congress and the Senate, which support Israel,” Miri Regev, a Likud MP, said.
Another powerful member of Mr Netanyahu’s party, Benny Begin, the son of Israel’s first right-wing Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, said that “if the only solution is two states for two peoples, then there is no solution”.
Mr Netanyahu has in the past opposed the creation of an independent Palestinian state, arguing that such an entity would soon fall under the control of the Iranian-backed Hamas, the Islamist movement that rules the Gaza Strip.
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Good Palestine should be a recognized country. It's been far too long since they had their own homeland. About time a president stood up for arab rights in this injustice.
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A 2 state solution would be smart for Israel. It would put the ball completely in Hamas's court to shape up or ship out.
Still, the best solution is to make Gaza part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan.
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A 2 state solution would be smart for Israel. It would put the ball completely in Hamas's court to shape up or ship out.
Still, the best solution is to make Gaza part of Egypt and the West Bank part of Jordan.
why are you betraying your jewish heritage hersh? huh nick? nick hersh? you there hersh?
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Good Palestine should be a recognized country. It's been far too long since they had their own homeland. About time a president stood up for arab rights in this injustice.
Because they've done so much for us right?
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Good Palestine should be a recognized country. It's been far too long since they had their own homeland. About time a president stood up for arab rights in this injustice.
Good for those magical "Palestinians" where were they pre-1967? And just where was there "homeland"?
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And how about their muslim brothers? Jordan...Egypt...hmm. They would rather the Palestinians go away.
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Good for those magical "Palestinians" where were they pre-1967? And just where was there "homeland"?
There was no state of israel, the region was called PALESTINE (get some history books) before america carved it up and pushed the Palestinians out for the sake of the Joo and caused all of the trouble seen in the region today.
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Good for those magical "Palestinians" where were they pre-1967? And just where was there "homeland"?
Thats the point the borders were drawn, but there didn't seem to be a problem when Egypt and Jordan took land it only became a problem when the Isreal took land which they won in battle.
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And how about their muslim brothers? Jordan...Egypt...hmm. They would rather the Palestinians go away.
They would rather the JOO go away
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And who lived there SAMSON...who hmmm...Jews and Arabs. There was no Arab gov, it was controled by the Brits. Sorry raghead u guys lost, deal with it.
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There was no state of israel, the region was called PALESTINE (get some history books) before america carved it up and pushed the Palestinians out for the sake of the Joo and caused all of the trouble seen in the region today.
Ah you need to get some history books it was the British who "carvered" it up. And why was it called Palestine? Well becaus e the Romans used the terms for Hebrews in the area as an insult.
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Ah you need to get some history books it was the British who "carvered" it up. And why was it called Palestine? Well becaus e the Romans used the terms for Hebrews in the area as an insult.
Very well said, Kazan.
History and facts bear no resistance to some on here, though.
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If it ain't wiki or some CT bs....they don't want to know.
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They would rather the JOO go away
All the same. The Arabs with all of their oil and wealth still live in squaller, destitution and ignorance. They haven't progress an inch in all these years no matter the resources and money flowing in. The Israeli's, with no oil or natural resources and under the constant threat of invasion and terrorist attacks, have flourished in all spectrum's. The "Palestinians" receive more foreign aid per capita than any other people in the world. Yet they live like animals, unable to sit and actually think about their situation and why its terrible. They have Gaza and the West Bank now, yet nothing improves. Just more money spent on killing Jews and fattening the Swish bank accounts of their brave and noble "leaders". Fucking sad.
Says much about the Arabs that inherit the area...just happy to crawl along on through the dirt getting a check in the mail every month with their share of the oil revenue. Just enough to keep them happy and imprisoned.
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Don't u think the Israeli's would love to come to a solution that both parties could deal with. Yet Hamas and Iran and the other supporters or meddlers won't allow it. The IRA laid down their guns and u got peace. Imagine if Hamas was silent for several years and laid down their guns. And while the two aren't completely the same, u can draw similar conclusions.
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All the same. The Arabs with all of their oil and wealth still live in squaller, destitution and ignorance. They haven't progress an inch in all these years no matter the resources and money flowing in. The Israeli's, with no oil or natural resources and under the constant threat of invasion and terrorist attacks, have flourished in all spectrum's. The "Palestinians" receive more foreign aid per capita than any other people in the world. Yet they live like animals, unable to sit and actually think about their situation and why its terrible. They have Gaza and the West Bank now, yet nothing improves. Just more money spent on killing Jews and fattening the Swish bank accounts of their brave and noble "leaders". Fucking sad.
Says much about the Arabs that inherit the area...just happy to crawl along on through the dirt getting a check in the mail every month with their share of the oil revenue. Just enough to keep them happy and imprisoned.
Exactly, why is the world supposed to support a people that have no intention of helping themselves.
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And who lived there SAMSON...who hmmm...Jews and Arabs. There was no Arab gov, it was controled by the Brits. Sorry raghead u guys lost, deal with it.
THe Arabs were ALWAYS there....and yes there was a Arab government until the whites came to destroy and steal. The real reason for entering into the Middle East was OIL!!! and Israhell would be the "PORT" america and England would use to transport the oil out of. That was before oil was discovered EVERYWHERE in the region, then the Persian Gulf and Red Sea became more important. Israel to america was only a doorway into the Middle East and a "weapon" to keep any UPRISINGS from happeing in the region. But that is just about over now...
Remember the Romans came and destroyed the region 2000 years ago and essentially chased the JOO from the region. Even they will tell you they haven't been there in over two thousand years. So how does a people lay claim to a land they were not on for thousands of years? What right do they have to anything at this point? And if you try and use the claim that the land belongs to them, then you better pack your shit becasue I know of a LOT of Native People who want you out of america ASAP.....BECAUSE IT IS THEIR LAND!!!!!
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Don't u think the Israeli's would love to come to a solution that both parties could deal with. Yet Hamas and Iran and the other supporters or meddlers won't allow it. The IRA laid down their guns and u got peace. Imagine if Hamas was silent for several years and laid down their guns. And while the two aren't completely the same, u can draw similar conclusions.
Somewhat. But the IRA wanted home rule, it was political in nature. Yes there was hatred of Protestants and the like, but it boiled down to wanting Home Rule and seats in Parliament. They laid down the weapons and the political arms did what they had to do and they achieved it.
But lets be honest about Hamas and Co., they want to kill Jews and what they want is religious and ingrained on them. I truly believe that their own state is in the back of their minds while killing Jews occupies the majority of their empty heads. They teach their own CHILDREN killing Jews, how to kill Jews, why to kill Jews, the glory of killing Jews and the fake history as to why it's all justified. In UN schools no less. Their aims aren't political, they don't care about a homeland because if they finally got one, their reason for existing would come to and end. Shit, what do they know about infrastucture?Law" Real Education? Finance? Diplomacy? Nation building? That's right, NOTHING. It would be a disaster.
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Ur kidding me right...silly raghead.
A mandate of the British Empire, which had inherited it from the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I, where it had been part of a province.
Palestine was not a "country," it was a region controlled by the British Empire. It was run neither by Arabs nor Jews.
And there were both Arabs and Jews there. The UN divided it between them in 1948, then the Arabs attacked the Jews and lost.
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Somewhat. But the IRA wanted home rule, it was political in nature. Yes there was hatred of Protestants and the like, but it boiled down to wanting Home Rule and seats in Parliament. They laid down the weapons and the political arms did what they had to do and they achieved it.
But lets be honest about Hamas and Co., they want to kill Jews and what they want is religious and ingrained on them. I truly believe that their own state is in the back of their minds while killing Jews occupies the majority of their empty heads. They teach their own CHILDREN killing Jews, how to kill Jews, why to kill Jews, the glory of killing Jews and the fake history as to why it's all justified. In UN schools no less. Their aims aren't political, they don't care about a homeland because if they finally got one, their reason for existing would come to and end. Shit, what do they know about infrastucture?Law" Real Education? Finance? Diplomacy? Nation building? That's right, NOTHING. It would be a disaster.
My point was that the hatred was there. The Brits finally began to outright kill IRA members...murdert them. Hamas much like the IRA, have become professional terrorists, not freedom fighters.
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Ur kidding me right...silly raghead.
A mandate of the British Empire, which had inherited it from the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I, where it had been part of a province.
Palestine was not a "country," it was a region controlled by the British Empire. It was run neither by Arabs nor Jews.
And there were both Arabs and Jews there. The UN divided it between them in 1948, then the Arabs attacked the Jews and lost.
Right on. The British and French divided it up with the Sykes Picot Agreement. Never a country/nation/bed and breakfast named Palestine. No govt. No army. No Palestinians. This shit is fantasy. The Arabs and Arafat created this whole mess when they created the Palestinian Movt. out of thin air for use as human artillery shells against the Jews.
My point was that the hatred was there. The Brits finally began to outright kill IRA members...murdert them. Hamas much like the IRA, have become professional terrorists, not freedom fighters.
You're right. Good points. The line between someone/some group you can feel empathy for changes once you cross that line.
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All the same. The Arabs with all of their oil and wealth still live in squaller, destitution and ignorance. They haven't progress an inch in all these years no matter the resources and money flowing in. The Israeli's, with no oil or natural resources and under the constant threat of invasion and terrorist attacks, have flourished in all spectrum's. The "Palestinians" receive more foreign aid per capita than any other people in the world. Yet they live like animals, unable to sit and actually think about their situation and why its terrible. They have Gaza and the West Bank now, yet nothing improves. Just more money spent on killing Jews and fattening the Swish bank accounts of their brave and noble "leaders". Fucking sad.
Says much about the Arabs that inherit the area...just happy to crawl along on through the dirt getting a check in the mail every month with their share of the oil revenue. Just enough to keep them happy and imprisoned.
American foreign policy and World Bank has kept the Arabs from progressing at all despite selling oil to the whole world. With Israhell spending american taxpayers 33 BILLION dollars, of course they are going to flourish. Not to mention they are another financial tax haven for ill gotten money from corupt joo run american businesses and lets not forget the massive mineral and gold wealth they are stealing from Africa. If it were not for these things and america the joo would be in the same pathetic state as the Arabs.
What foreign aid given to the Palestinians? These people have been under constant bombardment from the joo and have spent way too much time building and re-building their cities. Not to mention dealing with embargoes, resource shortages and strife. Gimmie a break
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I am very sure there was a bed and breakfast. Where do u get these delusional facts G....wow!
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THe Arabs were ALWAYS there....and yes there was a Arab government until the whites came to destroy and steal. The real reason for entering into the Middle East was OIL!!! and Israhell would be the "PORT" america and England would use to transport the oil out of. That was before oil was discovered EVERYWHERE in the region, then the Persian Gulf and Red Sea became more important. Israel to america was only a doorway into the Middle East and a "weapon" to keep any UPRISINGS from happeing in the region. But that is just about over now...
Remember the Romans came and destroyed the region 2000 years ago and essentially chased the JOO from the region. Even they will tell you they haven't been there in over two thousand years. So how does a people lay claim to a land they were not on for thousands of years? What right do they have to anything at this point? And if you try and use the claim that the land belongs to them, then you better pack your shit becasue I know of a LOT of Native People who want you out of america ASAP.....BECAUSE IT IS THEIR LAND!!!!!
So what? If you are not strong enough to keep the land you won't.
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What foreign aid given to the Palestinians? These people have been under constant bombardment from the joo and have spent way too much time building and re-building their cities. Not to mention dealing with embargoes, resource shortages and strife. Gimmie a break
They received 1 Billion dollars for signing the Oslo Accords. Where was that money spent? Weapons, because it sure as hell wasn't used to build roads or schools or factories.
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American foreign policy and World Bank has kept the Arabs from progressing at all despite selling oil to the whole world. With Israhell spending american taxpayers 33 BILLION dollars, of course they are going to flourish. Not to mention they are another financial tax haven for ill gotten money from corupt joo run american businesses and lets not forget the massive mineral and gold wealth they are stealing from Africa. If it were not for these things and america the joo would be in the same pathetic state as the Arabs.
What foreign aid given to the Palestinians? These people have been under constant bombardment from the joo and have spent way too much time building and re-building their cities. Not to mention dealing with embargoes, resource shortages and strife. Gimmie a break
Um..Arafat was a millionaire..lets start there. Do u wear arafat jeans...eat arafat burgers...drive an arafat car. Do u pump arafat gas into ur car..my guess is no. They got plenty of money from the bleeding hearts...and it all went to a fat gay guy wearing a kaffiya.
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I am very sure there was a bed and breakfast. Where do u get these delusional facts G....wow!
Just tryin' to make a point, brotha!
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You guys mean this Hamas, defenders of "Palestine"?
Hamas Converts 46 Ambulances To Military Vehicles, Misusing Humanitarian Aid PDF Print E-mail
June 8, 2009
Palestinian Media Watch
by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
PMW has documented the repeated use of foreign funding by both the PA and Hamas for terror and glorification of terror. The following is another case of well intended humanitarian assistance given to Palestinians that is appropriated for military or terror purposes:
"The [Palestinian] Health Ministry stated yesterday that Hamas militias had raided 46 ambulances, donated by Arab states during the recent aggression on the Gaza Strip, of the medical equipment that they contained... and used them as military vehicles to arrest civilians, after painting [the ambulances] black.
The Ministry's director of public relations and information, Dr. Omar Nasr... said that the medical equipment removed from the ambulances was expensive. He demanded that the Hamas militias declare, courageously and openly, what had become of the thousands of tons of medical equipment which had been brought into the Gaza Strip as assistance for the Palestinian people, and which had passed at its [Hamas's] orders to private warehouses and its own medical centers, and was later sold to the helpless citizen..."
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, May 20, 2009]
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Just tryin' to make a point, brotha!
Well we here at GETBIG expect that in order to post, u must have first hand knowledge of the subject, along with pics. And seeing as u have not slept in every BB in Palest...err Israel, I find that I must disregard the entire post, even if ur point was valid and scumbags like SAMSON have no comeback. ;D
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Um..Arafat was a millionaire..lets start there. Do u wear arafat jeans...eat arafat burgers...drive an arafat car. Do u pump arafat gas into ur car..my guess is no. They got plenty of money from the bleeding hearts...and it all went to a fat gay guy wearing a kaffiya.
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Right on. The British and French divided it up with the Sykes Picot Agreement. Never a country/nation/bed and breakfast named Palestine. No govt. No army. No Palestinians. This shit is fantasy. The Arabs and Arafat created this whole mess when they created the Palestinian Movt. out of thin air for use as human artillery shells against the Jews.
You're right. Good points. The line between someone/some group you can feel empathy for changes once you cross that line.
Palestine was in existence when pretty much all of Europe didn't exist. Keep in mind the region has been called by different names but is still the same region/country. It was known as Cannan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, Judea, Kingdon of Jerusalem and southern Syria. Nontheless when whites arrived the Palestinians were there and had been there for many centuries with NO JOO IN SIGHT. America created the so called nation of Israel as a home for the JOO inorder to get them out of Europe after the war. The fight beteen the joo and the Palestinians has been in effect since america and England pushed the PALESTINIANS out of their HOMELAND for the sake of the JOO, leaving the Palestinian destitute and homeless while american pumped money into the region building it up for the Joo. Then to add insult to injury the resources like water and electricity was put under the control of the joo so that they could control the Palestinians in the region.
You have a lot to learn
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Oh were u there...ur an idiot ok.....go play in traffic.
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Palestine was in existence when pretty much all of Europe didn't exist. Keep in mind the region has been called by different names but is still the same region/country. It was known as Cannan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, Judea, Kingdon of Jerusalem and southern Syria. Nontheless when whites arrived the Palestinians were there and had been there for many centuries with NO JOO IN SIGHT. America created the so called nation of Israel as a home for the JOO inorder to get them out of Europe after the war. The fight beteen the joo and the Palestinians has been in effect since america and England pushed the PALESTINIANS out of their HOMELAND for the sake of the JOO, leaving the Palestinian destitute and homeless while american pumped money into the region building it up for the Joo. Then to add insult to injury the resources like water and electricity was put under the control of the joo so that they could control the Palestinians in the region.
You have a lot to learn
There were no such people that were called "Palestinians" get it through your fucking head. Show me a passport or immigration papers or SOMETHING. They were simply Arabs that lived in the region. After 1967 the "Palestinian" movement suddenly appeared on the scene. It was a good way to marshal indigenous troops from within the region so the Arab countries wouldn't have to waste anymore of their own soldiers, money and equipment to "fight" the Jews. And they weren't expelled for Christ sakes, Israel actually needed workers and such so they admitted a shit ton of Arabs in the region. Arabs and "Palestinians" IN Israel actually have more freedom, more access to success and more involvement in the political process than they do compared to anywhere else in the Middle East.
Get a fucking clue.
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typical nick hersh coward move drop a bomb and then leave so he doesnt face the heat ::)
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There were no such people that were called "Palestinians" get it through your fucking head. Show me a passport or immigration papers or SOMETHING. They were simply Arabs that lived in the region. After 1967 the "Palestinian" movement suddenly appeared on the scene. It was a good way to marshal indigenous troops from within the region so the Arab countries wouldn't have to waste anymore of their own soldiers, money and equipment to "fight" the Jews. And they weren't expelled for Christ sakes, Israel actually needed workers and such so they admitted a shit ton of Arabs in the region. Arabs and "Palestinians" IN Israel actually have more freedom, more access to success and more involvement in the political process than they do compared to anywhere else in the Middle East.
Get a fucking clue.
I cant begin to tell you how many things are wrong with that statement...The arabs and arafat didnt just create Palestinian nationalism out of thin air, it existed since the beginning of the 20th century, all you have to do is go back and look at the newspapers.
You say that the Palestinian national movement suddenly appeared in 1967...the PLO was created in 1964!!! Not only that but Palestinian liberation groups existed way before the PLO (as did Jewish Groups before the creation of Israel) The izz al deen al kassam Army The Black Hand which existed in 1930 being just the most salient.
The Palestinian national movement grew in tandem with the Jewish national movement, many of the first Jewish settlers in Palestine noticed it happening, and wrote about it...(If you're a Jew then you should have already read Ah'ad Ha'am)
There was never an administrative division called Palestine, but neither was there one called Israel (unless you think the kingdom of Solomon counts?...even then it was a multiethnic society and not a 'jewish state' as we have now)...show me an Israeli passport, show me Israeli land deeds..thats right there were none.
So lets be clear about one thing, neither really has any claim over the other, to deny the existence of the other is pure and simple racism. Remember many Palestinians DO have Ottoman land deeds showing they are from the area, as do many Jews who bought the land from Palestinians. Today both Israelis and Palestinians have Passports to deny that the other exists, is to live in loony land.
This business about the Arabs not being expelled or leaving...come on, please, we all know about the open bridges policy that Israel adopted...are you honestly trying to say that Israel ADMITTED Arabs into the region, that is just a plain lie. Allowing Palestinian workers in to Israel provided they leave before 12am is not admitting Arabs, its giving them temporary work permits which can be removed at any time for no reason. If you think Israel wanted Arabs in the country Read about plan Dalet if you know Hebrew you will be able to see what that wonderful policy was all about...on top of that I have spoken to people from the Palmach who told me they were under orders to remove Palestinians from their villages in 1948, some agreed, some didnt. What we know is that those Palestinians who left were not allowed back...SOME AFTER BEING PROMISED they could return...the wonderful case of Al Biram where Palestinians were allowed to return and then the IDF desroyed the village...you can go on and on and on...The documentation is all there in front of your eyes in the Zionist archives, all you have to do is read it for yourself.
If you think Palestinians want a state for the sole purpose to kill Jews then you have never met a palestinian. There is not widespread support for Hamas, nor is there support for Fatah, seriously that doesnt take an expert to know that.
As for Israeli Arabs having more freedom...lets take MK effie eitam's wonderful statement 'we need to expel all of you arabs to gaza, you traitors dont belong here.' The small matter of only 5.6% of building permits between 2007-8 being granted for Israeli Arabs wishing to build new homes. The new laws demanding their loyalty to the state, or denying their right to publicly express their identity as Palestinian citizens of Israel.
I say all this as a STRONG supporter of Israel and the right to defend itself...I condemn Hamas, and any other racist terrorist that wants to kill Jews because they are Jews, and the Pals can really test my patience at times. But what I cant stand is people like you who spout your one sided Kach bullshit claiming that it's somehow the truth, it's not, as anyone who actually tries to understand both sides knows very well.
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I cant begin to tell you how many things are wrong with that statement...The arabs and arafat didnt just create Palestinian nationalism out of thin air, it existed since the beginning of the 20th century, all you have to do is go back and look at the newspapers.
You say that the Palestinian national movement suddenly appeared in 1967...the PLO was created in 1964!!! Not only that but Palestinian liberation groups existed way before the PLO (as did Jewish Groups before the creation of Israel) The izz al deen al kassam Army The Black Hand which existed in 1930 being just the most salient.
The Palestinian national movement grew in tandem with the Jewish national movement, many of the first Jewish settlers in Palestine noticed it happening, and wrote about it...(If you're a Jew then you should have already read Ah'ad Ha'am)
There was never an administrative division called Palestine, but neither was there one called Israel (unless you think the kingdom of Solomon counts?...even then it was a multiethnic society and not a 'jewish state' as we have now)...show me an Israeli passport, show me Israeli land deeds..thats right there were none.
So lets be clear about one thing, neither really has any claim over the other, to deny the existence of the other is pure and simple racism. Remember many Palestinians DO have Ottoman land deeds showing they are from the area, as do many Jews who bought the land from Palestinians. Today both Israelis and Palestinians have Passports to deny that the other exists, is to live in loony land.
This business about the Arabs not being expelled or leaving...come on, please, we all know about the open bridges policy that Israel adopted...are you honestly trying to say that Israel ADMITTED Arabs into the region, that is just a plain lie. Allowing Palestinian workers in to Israel provided they leave before 12am is not admitting Arabs, its giving them temporary work permits which can be removed at any time for no reason. If you think Israel wanted Arabs in the country Read about plan Dalet if you know Hebrew you will be able to see what that wonderful policy was all about...on top of that I have spoken to people from the Palmach who told me they were under orders to remove Palestinians from their villages in 1948, some agreed, some didnt. What we know is that those Palestinians who left were not allowed back...SOME AFTER BEING PROMISED they could return...the wonderful case of Al Biram where Palestinians were allowed to return and then the IDF desroyed the village...you can go on and on and on...The documentation is all there in front of your eyes in the Zionist archives, all you have to do is read it for yourself.
If you think Palestinians want a state for the sole purpose to kill Jews then you have never met a palestinian. There is not widespread support for Hamas, nor is there support for Fatah, seriously that doesnt take an expert to know that.
As for Israeli Arabs having more freedom...lets take MK effie eitam's wonderful statement 'we need to expel all of you arabs to gaza, you traitors dont belong here.' The small matter of only 5.6% of building permits between 2007-8 being granted for Israeli Arabs wishing to build new homes. The new laws demanding their loyalty to the state, or denying their right to publicly express their identity as Palestinian citizens of Israel.
I say all this as a STRONG supporter of Israel and the right to defend itself...I condemn Hamas, and any other racist terrorist that wants to kill Jews because they are Jews, and the Pals can really test my patience at times. But what I cant stand is people like you who spout your one sided Kach bullshit claiming that it's somehow the truth, it's not, as anyone who actually tries to understand both sides knows very well.
I love it when you make long posts; the BNP is a communist party. Look at their policies.
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I love it when you make long posts; the BNP is a communist party. Look at their policies.
Ha Ha! Id make longer posts if I could be bothered...but dealing with this crap 24/7 means that when i post on Getbig its more from rage accrued during the week than the desire for an academic debate.
As for the BNP i never really took the time to look at their policies, but I suppose it wouldnt be beyond the BNP to advocate some form of National Socialism...they got 900,000 votes...damn people must be either pissed off or desperate
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Ha Ha! Id make longer posts if I could be bothered...but dealing with this crap 24/7 means that when i post on Getbig its more from rage accrued during the week than the desire for an academic debate.
As for the BNP i never really took the time to look at their policies, but I suppose it wouldnt be beyond the BNP to advocate some form of National Socialism...they got 900,000 votes...damn people must be either pissed off or desperate
Yeah, it's sad but make no mistake, their desire to confiscate, redistribute, etc. smacks of communism.
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And how about their muslim brothers? Jordan...Egypt...hmm. They would rather the Palestinians go away.
Exactly...people don't realize that when Yasser Arafat first came to power his people were allowed refuge in Jordan. Guess what happened? They started blowing Jordan apart so the king of Jordan told the Palestinians to get out. Very general history lesson folks, but you get the picture. Wherever the Palestinians go they try blowing shit up. Not cool in my book.
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I cant begin to tell you how many things are wrong with that statement...The arabs and arafat didnt just create Palestinian nationalism out of thin air, it existed since the beginning of the 20th century, all you have to do is go back and look at the newspapers.
You say that the Palestinian national movement suddenly appeared in 1967...the PLO was created in 1964!!! Not only that but Palestinian liberation groups existed way before the PLO (as did Jewish Groups before the creation of Israel) The izz al deen al kassam Army The Black Hand which existed in 1930 being just the most salient.
The Palestinian national movement grew in tandem with the Jewish national movement, many of the first Jewish settlers in Palestine noticed it happening, and wrote about it...(If you're a Jew then you should have already read Ah'ad Ha'am)
There was never an administrative division called Palestine, but neither was there one called Israel (unless you think the kingdom of Solomon counts?...even then it was a multiethnic society and not a 'jewish state' as we have now)...show me an Israeli passport, show me Israeli land deeds..thats right there were none.
So lets be clear about one thing, neither really has any claim over the other, to deny the existence of the other is pure and simple racism. Remember many Palestinians DO have Ottoman land deeds showing they are from the area, as do many Jews who bought the land from Palestinians. Today both Israelis and Palestinians have Passports to deny that the other exists, is to live in loony land.
This business about the Arabs not being expelled or leaving...come on, please, we all know about the open bridges policy that Israel adopted...are you honestly trying to say that Israel ADMITTED Arabs into the region, that is just a plain lie. Allowing Palestinian workers in to Israel provided they leave before 12am is not admitting Arabs, its giving them temporary work permits which can be removed at any time for no reason. If you think Israel wanted Arabs in the country Read about plan Dalet if you know Hebrew you will be able to see what that wonderful policy was all about...on top of that I have spoken to people from the Palmach who told me they were under orders to remove Palestinians from their villages in 1948, some agreed, some didnt. What we know is that those Palestinians who left were not allowed back...SOME AFTER BEING PROMISED they could return...the wonderful case of Al Biram where Palestinians were allowed to return and then the IDF desroyed the village...you can go on and on and on...The documentation is all there in front of your eyes in the Zionist archives, all you have to do is read it for yourself.
If you think Palestinians want a state for the sole purpose to kill Jews then you have never met a palestinian. There is not widespread support for Hamas, nor is there support for Fatah, seriously that doesnt take an expert to know that.
As for Israeli Arabs having more freedom...lets take MK effie eitam's wonderful statement 'we need to expel all of you arabs to gaza, you traitors dont belong here.' The small matter of only 5.6% of building permits between 2007-8 being granted for Israeli Arabs wishing to build new homes. The new laws demanding their loyalty to the state, or denying their right to publicly express their identity as Palestinian citizens of Israel.
I say all this as a STRONG supporter of Israel and the right to defend itself...I condemn Hamas, and any other racist terrorist that wants to kill Jews because they are Jews, and the Pals can really test my patience at times. But what I cant stand is people like you who spout your one sided Kach bullshit claiming that it's somehow the truth, it's not, as anyone who actually tries to understand both sides knows very well.
Alright, I'll take my whippin' like a man.
Good stuff. I didn't know about the work policy.
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There were no such people that were called "Palestinians" get it through your fucking head. Show me a passport or immigration papers or SOMETHING. They were simply Arabs that lived in the region. After 1967 the "Palestinian" movement suddenly appeared on the scene. It was a good way to marshal indigenous troops from within the region so the Arab countries wouldn't have to waste anymore of their own soldiers, money and equipment to "fight" the Jews. And they weren't expelled for Christ sakes, Israel actually needed workers and such so they admitted a shit ton of Arabs in the region. Arabs and "Palestinians" IN Israel actually have more freedom, more access to success and more involvement in the political process than they do compared to anywhere else in the Middle East.
Get a fucking clue.
OH LAWWWWWD!!! I have a LIVE ONE HERE!!!!
Palestinians is a nationality...you know, like how you call yourself an american. BTW.. can you show me a passport, social security card, immigration papers, green card...SOMETHING that the Native People of america gave you to come into their country? THis would include your parents, grand parents, great grand parents etc. Prove you are an (eh hem) american? Becasue as it stands you are nothing more than a caucasian living in another man's land...like the joo
The Palestinians were fighting with america and the so called Joo as soon as america starting DISPLACING them from their homes under the gun and handing the area over to the Joo. Over time that sparked the development of groups to help in the fight to RECLAIM their homeland from the 'thieves". So developed the PLO, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH etc all to get rid of the Joo who has been a problem in the region since they were brought there. The Germans warned the world of the problem with these people, the Scandinavians REFUSED to allow them in to their nations, the AFRICANS said NO!!! and even america REJECTED THEM AT FIRST. Now every nation knows the reason for NOT letting them into their nation....THEY ARE A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
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OH LAWWWWWD!!! I have a LIVE ONE HERE!!!!
Palestinians is a nationality...you know, like how you call yourself an american. BTW.. can you show me a passport, social security card, immigration papers, green card...SOMETHING that the Native People of america gave you to come into their country? THis would include your parents, grand parents, great grand parents etc. Prove you are an (eh hem) american? Becasue as it stands you are nothing more than a caucasian living in another man's land...like the joo
The Palestinians were fighting with america and the so called Joo as soon as america starting DISPLACING them from their homes under the gun and handing the area over to the Joo. Over time that sparked the development of groups to help in the fight to RECLAIM their homeland from the 'thieves". So developed the PLO, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH etc all to get rid of the Joo who has been a problem in the region since they were brought there. The Germans warned the world of the problem with these people, the Scandinavians REFUSED to allow them in to their nations, the AFRICANS said NO!!! and even america REJECTED THEM AT FIRST. Now every nation knows the reason for NOT letting them into their nation....THEY ARE A PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of a "Live One"
I'm sure you approve of the Nazi's solution to the Jewish "Problem"?
Kill yourself.
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Alright, I'll take my whippin' like a man.
Good stuff. I didn't know about the work policy.
ha ha, no worries...fired up debate is all part of the fun and games that is Israel!
Oh btw Samson123...If you dont like Israel's policies then fine...but seriously you tread a fine line my friend, all these comments you keep making about Jews and Germany aint cool at all.
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ha ha, no worries...fired up debate is all part of the fun and games that is Israel!
Oh btw Samson123...If you dont like Israel's policies then fine...but seriously you tread a fine line my friend, all these comments you keep making about Jews and Germany aint cool at all.
Samson hates all white people. So, it's pretty normal for him.
Team Daniel Hannan approved
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Speaking of a "Live One"
I'm sure you approve of the Nazi's solution to the Jewish "Problem"?
Kill yourself.
However did you guess?? Rest assured I am not alone in this desire.
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And thats way reaghead worthless pieces of shit like urself need to go eat a pistol. Why to bother posting here...nobody cares.
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ha ha, no worries...fired up debate is all part of the fun and games that is Israel!
Oh btw Samson123...If you dont like Israel's policies then fine...but seriously you tread a fine line my friend, all these comments you keep making about Jews and Germany aint cool at all.
Is anything I said NOT TRUE?!?!?!?
Is there a BIAS on this board? Seems as long as whites are degrading Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Arabs, Africans etc it is alright. THe minute THE TRUTH is spoken of about joos there is a backlash...what's the problem?
Maybe I should talk about the African Americans and how whites killed them to the tune of 120 MILLION and had millions in slavery or how about the Native People of america 70 MILLION DEAD and land STOLEN..would that make it better? Whose life is MORE IMPORTANT? How come MILLIONS were killed in Europe during WWI and WWII and yet the only people spoken of are the joos? I don't understand it. Whose life has more VALUE? and WHY? Plez' es'plain Lucy...
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And thats way reaghead worthless pieces of shit like urself need to go eat a pistol. Why to bother posting here...nobody cares.
I take a multivitamin with IRON in it...I don't need to eat pistols or bullets.
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However did you guess?? Rest assured I am not alone in this desire.
The Nazis didn't like black people either... ::)
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Is anything I said NOT TRUE?!?!?!?
Is there a BIAS on this board? Seems as long as whites are degrading Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Arabs, Africans etc it is alright. THe minute THE TRUTH is spoken of about joos there is a backlash...what's the problem?
Maybe I should talk about the African Americans and how whites killed them to the tune of 120 MILLION and had millions in slavery or how about the Native People of america 70 MILLION DEAD and land STOLEN..would that make it better? Whose life is MORE IMPORTANT? How come MILLIONS were killed in Europe during WWI and WWII and yet the only people spoken of are the joos? I don't understand it. Whose life has more VALUE? and WHY? Plez' es'plain Lucy...
Lets see...didn't own any slaves...Check
No family in the US Cavalry..check
no family here before 1900..check again.
Not my fault...don't care.
Maybe we should talk about how one set of africans sold those slaves to the slavers. Or that the plains indians killed other plains indians and took their land. Yep millions were killed..many in combat or as a result of combat...6 million were killed in ovens.
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Lets see...didn't own any slaves...Check
No family in the US Cavalry..check
no family here before 1900..check again.
Not my fault...don't care.
Maybe we should talk about how one set of africans sold those slaves to the slavers. Or that the plains indians killed other plains indians and took their land. Yep millions were killed..many in combat or as a result of combat...6 million were killed in ovens.
Samson is a strange cookie. Are you in the Middle East right now?
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Ur kidding me right...silly raghead.
A mandate of the British Empire, which had inherited it from the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I, where it had been part of a province.
Palestine was not a "country," it was a region controlled by the British Empire. It was run neither by Arabs nor Jews.
And there were both Arabs and Jews there. The UN divided it between them in 1948, then the Arabs attacked the Jews and lost.
The Arabs (and surrounding countries) attacked because the Jewish people took the land UNSCOP gave to them. They were never happy with nor wanted a two state solution. Bear in mind also that during WW2 and previous to that the British signed a document allowing a Palestinian homeland after 10 years, this was thrown out the window after WW2 unjustly i might add.
Also Israel was helped founded on terrorist tactics. The Haan and Stern Gang were both the equivalent of Hamas and the like and used terrorist tactics to allow Jewish people into Palestine illegally during and before WW2.
So tell me HH6 if it was okay for Jewish people to use terrorist tactics to help their cause, why is it not okay for Palestinians to do the same?
BTW i don't agree with Hamas actions at all and i think a more Ghandi -Pari Haka like approach would illicit the desired result. However, i take offense to those who condemn one but not another for the same actions.
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Gimme a break...Hamas blows up pizza joints and kills women and children. The specifically target civilians and have been doing so for years. U libs and ur moral equivalency. Thats ur whole argument...the jews took...the jews were terrorists. Its 2009 and the shit that happens over there, affects the US.
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The Arabs (and surrounding countries) attacked because the Jewish people took the land UNSCOP gave to them. They were never happy with nor wanted a two state solution. Bear in mind also that during WW2 and previous to that the British signed a document allowing a Palestinian homeland after 10 years, this was thrown out the window after WW2 unjustly i might add.
Also Israel was helped founded on terrorist tactics. The Haan and Stern Gang were both the equivalent of Hamas and the like and used terrorist tactics to allow Jewish people into Palestine illegally during and before WW2.
So tell me HH6 if it was okay for Jewish people to use terrorist tactics to help their cause, why is it not okay for Palestinians to do the same?
BTW i don't agree with Hamas actions at all and i think a more Ghandi -Pari Haka like approach would illicit the desired result. However, i take offense to those who condemn one but not another for the same actions.
Pre/Post WWI was a cluster fuck concerning land rights in that region. There is absolutely no doubt about that. The Sykes-Picot divided up the area between British and French. Which led to the splitting of the current contested region into Trans-Jordan and I can't remember what the South was named. All to buy the support of other Arab kings. The British promised the Jews a homeland after 1920 (I believe) With the Balfour Dec. But then the Arabs in the region were also given a promise to it as well.
It really is all the European colonial powers' fault.
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Pre/Post WWI was a cluster fuck concerning land rights in that region. There is absolutely no doubt about that. The Sykes-Picot divided up the area between British and French. Which led to the splitting of the current contested region into Trans-Jordan and I can't remember what the South was named. All to buy the support of other Arab kings. The British promised the Jews a homeland after 1920 (I believe) With the Balfour Dec. But then the Arabs in the region were also given a promise to it as well.
It really is all the European colonial powers' fault.
Definately agree with you on that one, European powers screwed the region up, especially the British, promising Palestine to both the Jews and Arabs, what a giant fuck up that was. The thing is when Balfour made the promise to the Jews in 1917 he was completely aware of the McMahon Correspondance of 1915 which promised the land to Sheikh Hussein...you have to ask how the hell the British thought they could get away with that without pissing the Arabs off...the fact that by 1922 they were already backing away from the Balfour Declaration proves they hadn't thought the whole thing through properly...and for twenty five more years they got it wrong wrong and wrong pissing everybody off in the process.
Not one person I've met in Israel has a good word to say about what the British did (Jew or Arab)
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Definately agree with you on that one, European powers screwed the region up, especially the British, promising Palestine to both the Jews and Arabs, what a giant fuck up that was. The thing is when Balfour made the promise to the Jews in 1917 he was completely aware of the McMahon Correspondance of 1915 which promised the land to Sheikh Hussein...you have to ask how the hell the British thought they could get away with that without pissing the Arabs off...the fact that by 1922 they were already backing away from the Balfour Declaration proves they hadn't thought the whole thing through properly...and for twenty five more years they got it wrong wrong and wrong pissing everybody off in the process.
Not one person I've met in Israel has a good word to say about what the British did (Jew or Arab)
That is Team Daniel Hannan approved.
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Is anything I said NOT TRUE?!?!?!?
Is there a BIAS on this board? Seems as long as whites are degrading Mexicans, Chinese, Koreans, Arabs, Africans etc it is alright. THe minute THE TRUTH is spoken of about joos there is a backlash...what's the problem?
Maybe I should talk about the African Americans and how whites killed them to the tune of 120 MILLION and had millions in slavery or how about the Native People of america 70 MILLION DEAD and land STOLEN..would that make it better? Whose life is MORE IMPORTANT? How come MILLIONS were killed in Europe during WWI and WWII and yet the only people spoken of are the joos? I don't understand it. Whose life has more VALUE? and WHY? Plez' es'plain Lucy...
Blah blah blah same bullshit, do you have any idea how many blacks were slave OWNERS in the south before the civil war? All this bullshit about only whites being slave owners is exactly that.
Why don't you tell me all about the Native Americans, since I have Native American blood, I'm really interested in what bullshit you are about to spout. You want to know why the Natives were beated? because the tribes were to occupied with the domesic disputes to present a united front and we promptly got our ass's kicked. You don't see me bitch ass crying about it now do you.
There is a differnec between a military conflict and an attempt to exterminate a race for no other reason than they are Jews. The Arabs/Muslims sided with Hitler, they picked the wrong side and got their ass's kicked. Ever heard of the SS Handschar Division?
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Blah blah blah same bullshit, do you have any idea how many blacks were slave OWNERS in the south before the civil war? All this bullshit about only whites being slave owners is exactly that.
Why don't you tell me all about the Native Americans, since I have Native American blood, I'm really interested in what bullshit you are about to spout. You want to know why the Natives were beated? because the tribes were to occupied with the domesic disputes to present a united front and we promptly got our ass's kicked. You don't see me bitch ass crying about it now do you.
There is a differnec between a military conflict and an attempt to exterminate a race for no other reason than they are Jews. The Arabs/Muslims sided with Hitler, they picked the wrong side and got their ass's kicked. Ever heard of the SS Handschar Division?
You
Yep. Add to the fact that Arabs were large slave holders and that BLACK KINGS also were deeply involved in gathering, holding and selling BLACK slaves.
Funny.