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He says that one can remain around 10% bf almost regardless of how he eats. You guys have read what he said many many times...
Is GH really so effective in burning the fat (and prevent its deposition during bulking)?
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He says that one can remain around 10% bf almost regardless of how he eats. You guys have read what he said many many times...
Is GH really so effective in burning the fat (and prevent its deposition during bulking)?
Yes
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its pretty good stuff if you can run it for a significant length of time, but as far as the attention it gets from some I would have to say it is a bit overhyped...
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its not a miracle drug but it has it's place
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He says that one can remain around 10% bf almost regardless of how he eats. You guys have read what he said many many times...
Is GH really so effective in burning the fat (and prevent its deposition during bulking)?
Hell no. You know gh15 is a joke account, right?
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He says that one can remain around 10% bf almost regardless of how he eats. You guys have read what he said many many times...
Is GH really so effective in burning the fat (and prevent its deposition during bulking)?
yes, depending on dosage.
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thats alot more than GH there.
thats 1 g+ a week of test- and thats just test- not including his other anabolics and androgenics, for the last year.
looks like he got handy with the humalog as well.
good for him- he looks great.
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Growth hormone will raise FFA serum levels. It won't let you eat chili cheese fries and ben 'n jerrys all day and stay at 10%, no matter what you dose.
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Palumbo thinks GH cures aids.
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Growth hormone will raise FFA serum levels. It won't let you eat chili cheese fries and ben 'n jerrys all day and stay at 10%, no matter what you dose.
What's FFA and what does it do? And I agree that you can't just eat anything you want and not get fat. I know gh15 says it's just water weight but some of those pros in the off season look pretty fat to me. Maybe they're just off gh but I would think that they would stay on it year round just like AAS but just play with the dose.
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Palumbo thinks GH cures aids.
he should use some then.
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he should use some then.
L O freakin L.
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What's FFA and what does it do? And I agree that you can't just eat anything you want and not get fat. I know gh15 says it's just water weight but some of those pros in the off season look pretty fat to me. Maybe they're just off gh but I would think that they would stay on it year round just like AAS but just play with the dose.
Free fatty acid. A higher FFA serum concentration will make fats more available for consumption I would think, so you see some accelerated fat loss with gh use. The main drawback imo is that gh greatly accelerates tumor growth, although the most often heard complaint is carpal tunnel from guys hitting it way too heavy.
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Growth hormone will raise FFA serum levels. It won't let you eat chili cheese fries and ben 'n jerrys all day and stay at 10%, no matter what you dose.
It does. GH forces specifically the energy generation out of fat cells. At a lil higher dose (5 IU) you can hardly eat enough junk to get fat.
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how do you recognise they use gh? is it because they then look like shit?
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friends,,for the last time im saying this here
GH WILL ALOW YOU TO EAT ANYTHING YOU WANT AND REMAIN AT SUB 10% USUALLY 8% IS THE MAGIC NUMBER WHERE EITHEER YOU ADD IN T3 AND SOME ANTI AROMATAZE + EPHDRINE INORDER TO GET DOWN TO SUB 6% OR YOU JUST STAY AT 6-8% DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WATER YOUR BODY HOLD...MORE WATER YOU WILL THINK YOURE 8% LESS WATER YOU WILL THINK YOURE 6=7% WHILE IN REALITY YOURE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN WHEN WATER IS GONE
GH = NO CLEAN DIET NEEDED PERIOD
trust me on that i dieted to big competition on anything and everything doign big doses of gh and t3,,if you listen once to what i say insted of blubing and arguing you may advance somewhere ,,
this is the diet i recomdn on gh and aas
1 eggwhites and all eggs in themorning
2 up your mass meal replcment
3 jamaican food rice and chiken and plantains
4 jamaican food again rice and chiken or beed and plantains
5 sushi make sure salmon is in there
6 up my mass again
7 good steak sirloin or ny strip
thats it friends follow it and you will be 230 lb 8% on a regular basis if has enough time in training and beeing doing hormones for good some time and know your body
ZERO CARDIO NEEDED
this is information i get payed 1000 s of dollars to tell and to instruct since half the lifters dotn know a from b and thikn they need special diets,,cherish is and most importanly copy it to your computer!
gh15 approved
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how do you recognise they use gh? is it because they then look like shit?
You look quite like shit yourself, stud.
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i actually say that because how come guys in arnolds time looked muchh better then these chemical experiments of today?
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i actually say that because how come guys in arnolds time looked muchh better then these chemical experiments of today?
Genetics (ask Deicide ;))
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gh15,should you do maybe 2x 30mins sessions of cardio just for the heart??
Not for fat loss
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Yes it is.
5iu ED along with 50mcg T3 and you can eat just about anything you please as long as you exercise regularly.
I do think a high fat diet with fast foods and whatnot may still cause a bit of fat gain, but people shouldn't be eating that crap to begin with.
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Eat healthy and quit looking for shots and pills that will let you gorge at the trough. Lots cheaper, less side effects, and you won't die of a heart attack at 40.
This is a totally different issue than someone who has reached 7 or 8% and is stuck. The OP just wants to pig out.
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Lots cheaper, less side effects, and you won't die of a heart attack at 40
Gh is the fountain of youth and has nearly zero side effects when used correctly.
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Gh is the fountain of youth and has nearly zero side effects when used correctly.
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"Correctly" is a broad term. A lot of us are going to have a tumor at some time in our lives which will probably remain undetected until it becomes symptomatic. Accelerated cancer growth is my primary fear with GH and the reason I quit using it, although I confess I've been planning on getting a good screening done and starting up again when (I hope) I get the all clear.
Most guys overuse too. "My hands are numb so I know it's working!" ::) No, it means you're developing carpal tunnel and are going to require surgery.
Used in moderation when safe to do so, no problem. I still won't include using it to offset pigging out under the umbrella of 'correct use' tho. As you said, people shouldn't be eating like that in the first place, particularly if they're using any sort of hrt for vanity.
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thats alot more than GH there.
thats 1 g+ a week of test- and thats just test- not including his other anabolics and androgenics, for the last year.
looks like he got handy with the humalog as well.
good for him- he looks great.
Yes but it helps answer the original poster :P
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Extended use of frank GH can suppress the natural pulsatile secretions.
Secretagogues are the way of the future.
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Extended use of frank GH can suppress the natural pulsatile secretions.
Secretagogues are the way of the future.
I'm thinking eventually of experimenting with injectable G.H. releasing peptides like G.H. peptide 6, GH peptide 2, Hexarelin, and Semorelin acetate. These have good research as far as releasing substantial amounts of Growth Hormone. What's more I believe your own growth hormone is better tolerated by the body than the synthetic form..which even with the correct amino acid sequence can still trigger anti-body formation.
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I'm thinking eventually of experimenting with injectable G.H. releasing peptides like G.H. peptide 6, GH peptide 2, Hexarelin, and Semorelin acetate. These have good research as far as releasing substantial amounts of Growth Hormone. What's more I believe your own growth hormone is better tolerated by the body than the synthetic form..which even with the correct amino acid sequence can still trigger anti-body formation.
Frank GH use is also going to induce insulin resistance, which long term is always a bad thing.
There is meant to be some new recombinant GH fraction that avoids this, however I am not sure how widely available it is.
This is the other issue I have with the use of frank GH; the recominant formula is only one of the hundreds of fragments of GH that are naturally occurring, obviously they must serve some purpose, so that fits with the body tolerating (or preferring) your own GH.
As well, naturall GH production does not decrease with age, the secretion does, so all that it takes is some form of stimulation.
I think CJC-1295 looks interesting as well.
When I am prepping, I take 6 g of arginine before bed (empty stomach) to trigger a bigger natural GH release.
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Yes but it helps answer the original poster :P
yes, depending on dosage.
:P
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Secretagogues are the way of the future.
Not for competitive bodybuilding purposes. :D
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how come guys in arnolds time looked muchh better then these chemical experiments of today?
There was an incremental progression. In the 60s and early 70s it was basically just an oral and injectible roid stack. Until the mid-late 70s GH use was almost non-existent since it was expensive and unknown. No synthetic GH and even when it was used later in the 70s then 80s GH hardened and changed the look but not the way the addition of slin and it's interaction with GH did as well as the addition of IGF-1, etc. Plus the doses have often increased.
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It all depends on how much GH you take.I have seen a guy who competed at 190lbs 2yrs ago who took 12 iu's a day of GH now compete at 250lbs.One factor you have to take in consideration is how well your body repsnds to GH.I know guys who only take 4IU'S a day and look amazing, then you got guys like King Kimali who probably to over 10 iu's a day and he looks horrible.With GH it can make or break your physique.Plus one negative thing about GH is it speeds up cells, good and bad.If you have Cancer or Leukemia cells lingering in your body, guess what.They with expand as well.If you dont believe me, ask Mr Dennis Newman.He had no health problems at all, then he increased his GH levels and he got Leukemia.
Plus if you take GH when you are young lets say 18 it can cause gigantism, this is when your limbs grow.A 18 your old bodybuilder got it from GH.It isnt pretty he is ruined for life.One arm grew 3" length, his leg grew 4" in length, and one arm got gigantically huge.He was a good looking kid, not he is a disfigured freak.Was it wortih it, not for him
The other sad reality is you have scum bags out there selling HCG as GH.So that $700 kit of GH you thought you bought was just an expensive supply of HCG.The way to tell if your GH is HCG is just buy a home pregancy test.If it shows + then you just got scammed.
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If you dont believe me, ask Mr Dennis Newman.He had no health problems at all, then he increased his GH levels and he got Leukemia.
Dennis went back on GH after the leukemia went into remission. I don't know him, you ask him why. :D
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It all depends on how much GH you take.I have seen a guy who competed at 190lbs 2yrs ago who took 12 iu's a day of GH now compete at 250lbs.One factor you have to take in consideration is how well your body repsnds to GH.I know guys who only take 4IU'S a day and look amazing, then you got guys like King Kimali who probably to over 10 iu's a day and he looks horrible.With GH it can make or break your physique.Plus one negative thing about GH is it speeds up cells, good and bad.If you have Cancer or Leukemia cells lingering in your body, guess what.They with expand as well.If you dont believe me, ask Mr Dennis Newman.He had no health problems at all, then he increased his GH levels and he got Leukemia.
Plus if you take GH when you are young lets say 18 it can cause gigantism, this is when your limbs grow.A 18 your old bodybuilder got it from GH.It isnt pretty he is ruined for life.One arm grew 3" length, his leg grew 4" in length, and one arm got gigantically huge.He was a good looking kid, not he is a disfigured freak.Was it wortih it, not for him
The other sad reality is you have scum bags out there selling HCG as GH.So that $700 kit of GH you thought you bought was just an expensive supply of HCG.The way to tell if your GH is HCG is just buy a home pregancy test.If it shows + then you just got scammed.
hey NY...please post your best pic
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Yes...... Gh's ability to burn fat and promote an anabolic state is mind boggling. Throw in a large dose of exogenous testosterone, tren and dbol or drol and look out.
On a side note, GH will get you laid, a contract in hollywood and millions.
GH = almost as good as Plasmosis.
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Dennis Newman is a good guy.The reason he went back on GH after the Leukemia was he missed being in the limelight.He missed being in the magazines, and all the attention he was getting from his bodybuilding career.Dennis Newman was probably one of the best looking bodybuilders, facial wise, and he had great a great physique.After his Leukemia went in remission he figured im still young, why not continue on with my success as a bodybuilder.
Which I think was foolish, he should has just stayed lean used a little gear, and became a model like Frank Sepe did.Dennis would have done great as an actor or model.He was tall,had good abdominals, and had charisma.People liked Dennis, he is a likeable guy .
I was friends with Dennis when he lived in Vegas about 2-3 years ago.He is a really really cool guy, and he has a pretty wife who is very sweet.She supports Dennis in every way.I think to this day Dennis should just get lean and do magazine cover like Chritian Boering does, the guy from Bigger Stronger, Faster, who got fired by Muscletech for being Honest.
By the was VPX picked up Christian Boering ,and he is doing very well with them.
Dennis Newman is probably 39-40 so he still has 10 good years left in him do go some where in a career as model or spokesperson.
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Frank GH use is also going to induce insulin resistance, which long term is always a bad thing.
There is meant to be some new recombinant GH fraction that avoids this, however I am not sure how widely available it is.
This is the other issue I have with the use of frank GH; the recominant formula is only one of the hundreds of fragments of GH that are naturally occurring, obviously they must serve some purpose, so that fits with the body tolerating (or preferring) your own GH.
As well, naturall GH production does not decrease with age, the secretion does, so all that it takes is some form of stimulation.
I think CJC-1295 looks interesting as well.
When I am prepping, I take 6 g of arginine before bed (empty stomach) to trigger a bigger natural GH release.
The CJC-1295 is supposed to be a long lasting form of GH releasing hormone, one injection and you supposedly have elevated GH response for close to a week. I actually bought some a year agao..but I never used it (was a little anxious about it and felt a little like a guinea pig) and it expired.
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The CJC-1295 is supposed to be a long lasting form of GH releasing hormone, one injection and you supposedly have elevated GH response for close to a week. I actually bought some a year agao..but I never used it (was a little anxious about it and felt a little like a guinea pig) and it expired.
I have read somewhere it is a really difficult peptide to produce, so it is essential to have a good source (not Chinese).
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It all depends on how much GH you take.I have seen a guy who competed at 190lbs 2yrs ago who took 12 iu's a day of GH now compete at 250lbs.One factor you have to take in consideration is how well your body repsnds to GH.I know guys who only take 4IU'S a day and look amazing, then you got guys like King Kimali who probably to over 10 iu's a day and he looks horrible.With GH it can make or break your physique.Plus one negative thing about GH is it speeds up cells, good and bad.If you have Cancer or Leukemia cells lingering in your body, guess what.They with expand as well.If you dont believe me, ask Mr Dennis Newman.He had no health problems at all, then he increased his GH levels and he got Leukemia.
Plus if you take GH when you are young lets say 18 it can cause gigantism, this is when your limbs grow.A 18 your old bodybuilder got it from GH.It isnt pretty he is ruined for life.One arm grew 3" length, his leg grew 4" in length, and one arm got gigantically huge.He was a good looking kid, not he is a disfigured freak.Was it wortih it, not for him
The other sad reality is you have scum bags out there selling HCG as GH.So that $700 kit of GH you thought you bought was just an expensive supply of HCG.The way to tell if your GH is HCG is just buy a home pregancy test.If it shows + then you just got scammed.
pics of said gigantism case please
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pics of said gigantism case please
its not real bro
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thats alot more than GH there.
thats 1 g+ a week of test- and thats just test- not including his other anabolics and androgenics, for the last year.
looks like he got handy with the humalog as well.
good for him- he looks great.
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friends insted of arguing bunch of balonie why dont you follow the diet i outlined here,, do it lets say umm 4 months ,,, its fun diet right?
you need growth hormone
testosterone
masteron
trenbolone
eq
and that is absolutly it
now read the diet i wrote here,,its a diet rich in calories,,,dont do even one second cardio only lift very heavy 4-5 times a week,,,have some solid foundation dont be a fella who just enter the gym becaise you do need to have some experience for what gh15 writes,,
now eat the diet i wrote here and ad the products i outlined here and see what happens
6 months from the moment you start you will hold gh15 as master of all masters ,,god of all gods ,,you most likey will tatoo gh15 on your arm
again iit is very dirty diet right? fun fun fun right? try it see that diet has nothign to do with bodybuilding now days as long as you eay what you need to eat at moderatation and in ratio to the drugs youre on
you see many times fellas in gyms who have no clue about diet and are on leq and testosterone who are absolutrely big muscular and low body fat,,they have no clue about clean diets,,
the prodiucts i outline here almost elminiate the need to diet clean UNLESS it is 4% that you want ,,for 4% you will have to clean your diet but for 6-7% there wil never be a need to clean diet EVER
also with out hormones no one can do it because the moment ones eat very clean is the moment ones shrink and get flat ,,it always happen even if you play with carb intake...you will lose too much muscle to make any impression on any one as of 2009,, that is ofcourse if youre TRULY natural,,
you want to ever feel what it is to ralk around 240 at 7% at 5'9 ? try what i wrote in this thread ,,you will see bodybuiding in a whole diff light after,,DO NOT START THIS WHEN YOURE FAT ,,be low double digit or high singles
gh15 approved
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Thanks again for the info gh15!
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I have read somewhere it is a really difficult peptide to produce, so it is essential to have a good source (not Chinese).
thats ignorant, most chinese manufacturers take great pride in their products. its not the country that matters but the integrity of the source. the chinese have yet to figure out that the western world translates "cheap" into " low quality"...
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thats ignorant, most chinese manufacturers take great pride in their products. its not the country that matters but the integrity of the source. the chinese have yet to figure out that the western world translates "cheap" into " low quality"...
Top quality dog food and baby food right there.
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thats ignorant, most chinese manufacturers take great pride in their products. its not the country that matters but the integrity of the source. the chinese have yet to figure out that the western world translates "cheap" into " low quality"...
It is a gamble sorting out which manufacturers are good or not.
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It all depends on how much GH you take.I have seen a guy who competed at 190lbs 2yrs ago who took 12 iu's a day of GH now compete at 250lbs.One factor you have to take in consideration is how well your body repsnds to GH.I know guys who only take 4IU'S a day and look amazing, then you got guys like King Kimali who probably to over 10 iu's a day and he looks horrible.With GH it can make or break your physique.Plus one negative thing about GH is it speeds up cells, good and bad.If you have Cancer or Leukemia cells lingering in your body, guess what.They with expand as well.If you dont believe me, ask Mr Dennis Newman.He had no health problems at all, then he increased his GH levels and he got Leukemia.
Plus if you take GH when you are young lets say 18 it can cause gigantism, this is when your limbs grow.A 18 your old bodybuilder got it from GH.It isnt pretty he is ruined for life.One arm grew 3" length, his leg grew 4" in length, and one arm got gigantically huge.He was a good looking kid, not he is a disfigured freak.Was it wortih it, not for him
The other sad reality is you have scum bags out there selling HCG as GH.So that $700 kit of GH you thought you bought was just an expensive supply of HCG.The way to tell if your GH is HCG is just buy a home pregancy test.If it shows + then you just got scammed.
in the end, this pretty much sums up how effective GH administration will be for each individual.
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pics of said gigantism case please
yeah, starting to think this guy talks a lot of shit
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hey NY...please post your best pic
He'll never do it. The guy is 180lbs soaking wet. I see him often.
He always comes up to me asking where he can find a nice sized lactating breast to grow like me. ::)
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HGH will not cause bone elongation once the growth plates close.
As far as cancer, there is a theoretical risk but no study that proves HGH use causes cancer...however, the studies are all done at non-bodybuilding doses. I am a supporter of HGH use for people who are deficient, and in very mild doses. At high doses, we don't have any good research (thats why its interesting to read some of the experiences here...from gh15 and getiton)
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Interesting...
It sounds like the fat burning capability of GH is far higher than its ability to build muscle (at least for those who aren't taking insulin with it).
Could it be that GH actually has little to zero muscle building effect? It enables you to eat more without putting on fat and that alone may be responsible for the muscle gains...
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Could it be that GH actually has little to zero muscle building effect?
no
and insulin isnt necessarily necessary. insulin is effective but many people seem to get too caught up thinking they can only get insulin effects unless they inject insulin. the body has the ability to release huge amounts of insulin... al it takes is a big carb load and some key aminos help too.
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well of course insulin is not a must and I was referring to insulin only in conjunction with GH
More importantly, can you please clarify how you can so readily dispute my initial hypothesis? I did not present any scientific explanation and was simply summing up what I read from dozens, if not hundreds of people who used GH: none that I know/read of achieved much muscle growth from GH when not combined with insulin... have you seen (anecdotal) evidence to the contrary? Studies on GH may or may not be relevant for bodybuilders who already carry lots of mass and are on anabolics...