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Sorry Jay
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that comparison is almost an insult to dorian
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Sorry Jay
What year was that pic of Jay taken? I'm assuming 1999?
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Jay looks different there
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What year was that pic of Jay taken? I'm assuming 1999?
Don't know , it was on Flexonline
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I expect this thread to go 1500 pages.
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Sorry Jay
It's not a good representation of Jay. He looks to SYMMETRICAL there. ???
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It's not a good representation of Jay. He looks to SYMMETRICAL there. ???
he looks massive as fuck
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he looks massive as fuck
Dorian wins again just like with Ronnie ;D
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Dorian wins again just like with Ronnie ;D
Hey both those guys beat Ronnie :-X
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epic lack of super contrasted picture for jay
really sorry comparison
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he looks massive as fuck
You clearly did not pick up on my sarcasm. I said he looks too SYMMETRICAL in that pic, which is not how he usually looked, therefore, that pic is not a good representation of Jay ;).
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dorian has that grainy look like wave
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Hey both those guys beat Ronnie :-X
.. and ironically, neither was good enough to beat Ronnie at his best... :-X
dorian beat a young ronnie..
jay beat an old ronnie..
neither could beat a peak prime of career ronnie..
interesting..
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You clearly did not pick up on my sarcasm. I said he looks too SYMMETRICAL in that pic, which is not how he usually looked, therefore, that pic is not a good representation of Jay ;).
thats pretty much what jay always looks like. and always has looked like. as for dorian, the super contrasted picture makes him look more detailed than he would have looked in a normal picture, and also this was taken in 1993? When he was still x-frame(d)... after this he looked much worse
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what happened to Jay's quad sweep? that pic is not exactly a flattering one.
its the best double bi shot of dorian's career though.
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The images are not scaled the same way, so not a completely fair comparison. Despite this, Dorian looks to be the better drug abuser.
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you guys are so fucking boring
all you discuss is which huge bastard is better
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.. and ironically, neither was good enough to beat Ronnie at his best... :-X
dorian beat a young ronnie..
jay beat an old ronnie..
neither could beat a peak prime of career ronnie..
interesting..
Thanks for proving my point ;) Hulkster in yet another Yates thread lmmfao
Hulkster = owned
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You clearly did not pick up on my sarcasm. I said he looks too SYMMETRICAL in that pic, which is not how he usually looked, therefore, that pic is not a good representation of Jay ;).
No I did pick up on it ;D
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whats your point Flowerboy? I can post whatever the fuck I want.
you brought up Ronnie like you always do..
then you claim everyone else does first.. ::)
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.. and ironically, neither was good enough to beat Ronnie at his best... :-X
dorian beat a young ronnie..
jay beat an old ronnie..
neither could beat a peak prime of career ronnie..
interesting..
How do you know that Dorian wasn't good enough to beat Ronnie at his best. Dorian never faced Ronnie at his best, but when he DID face Ronnie, he destroyed him, along with all the other top competitors of the 1990's. Who did Ronnie beat that was SOOOO great in the 2000's? ::)
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whats your point Flowerboy? I can post whatever the fuck I want.
you brought up Ronnie like you always do..
then you claim everyone else does first.. ::)
My point is you're nothing but a TROLL
and I didn't bring up Ronnie MORON ;) owned again
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My point is you're nothing but a TROLL
and I didn't bring up Ronnie MORON ;) owned again
I will take the blame for bringing up Ronnie it wasnt Narci, Ronnie was owned by Dorian hands down :o
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I will take the blame for bringing up Ronnie it wasnt Narci, Ronnie was owned by Dorian hands down :o
ha ha ha ha Hulkster OWNED like his hero
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Sorry Jay
Jay looks short and stumpy. I don't care how large he was, he did not have a pleasing physique. He had a very blocky upper torso, with literally NO striations. His muscles didn't move when he flexed and he got progressively worse in the last decade. He's filled with oil and water and one half of his body is 7 times larger than the other.
He also is boring and unenthusiastic (NO charisma)...
Worst ever Mr. Olympia.
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And to think Barney on the left pushed Coleman to the limit LMFAO
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=325769;image)
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Sorry Jay
epic biased comparison. Not only did you scale Dorian much taller (notice his feet are cut off) but you chose arguably his best pic ever and an unflattering shot of Jay. Here is a better pic of 'smooth' Jay making Dorian look soft and bloated. :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler1.jpg)
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epic biased comparison. Not only did you scale Dorian much taller (notice his feet are cut off) but you chose arguably his best pic ever and an unflattering shot of Jay. Here is a better pic of 'smooth' Jay making Dorian look soft and bloated. :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler1.jpg)
He didn't make the comparison dipsh*t. Also, gay never made ANYONE look soft, let alone the hardest BB to ever live, Dorian Yates.
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neither could beat a peak prime of career ronnie..
Speculation your honour.
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Dorian at his best beats Jay's best hands down. Dorian has a better structure and look on just about every pose, not to mention a much greater degree of conditioning, separation, hardness and density.
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epic biased comparison. Not only did you scale Dorian much taller (notice his feet are cut off) but you chose arguably his best pic ever and an unflattering shot of Jay. Here is a better pic of 'smooth' Jay making Dorian look soft and bloated. :-\
Ha ha ha Boy Neo my lost puppy right on time ;)
Cutler never made Dorian look soft and bloated any year any time , more ignorance on your behalf but to your credit I didn't expect anything less and FYI that's a very complimentary pic of Jay , I know I scanned it and it was from a contest HE LOST to Dexter Jackson
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and FYI puppy Neo I didn't make that comparison I just posted it , I didn't make this one either ;)
Puppy Neo = owned ;)
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Sorry Jay
sure dorian beats jay hands down but you had to scale the pictures right!!.. what is the point to make dorian bigger??..
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sure dorian beats jay hands down but you had to scale the pictures right!!.. what is the point to make dorian bigger??..
Dorian = 5'10"
Jay = 5'8.5"
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Dorian = 5'10"
Jay = 5'8.5"
and do you think that if they stood beside each other in reality the difference would be as in ND pictures!!.. no way.. again dorian is much better but ND was unfair, he put the best ever FDB pic. of dorian beside one average pic. of jay and also made dorian look much bigger..
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Its funny because after losing narrowly to Lee Haney in 91, Dorian NEVER lost again. After winning the O, Ronnie was beaten THREE times.... hmmmm.
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Ronnie.
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Its funny because after losing narrowly to Lee Haney in 91, Dorian NEVER lost again. After winning the O, Ronnie was beaten THREE times.... hmmmm.
I respect the fact that you have made less than 300 posts in over 5 years.
You my cyber friend are NOT obsessed! :D
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Dorian was a lot harder than Jay. Jay is still incresdable. I met Dorian in '93 and Jay this year (09). Both very impresive to see. They almost look fake! :o If anyone here hasn't seen the big pros in person, it's quite a site! Check it out if you ever have the chance! :)
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Dorian by a mile !!!!!! Not even close. What year was that pic taken of Dorian
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you guys are so fucking boring
all you discuss is which huge bastard is better
;D
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he looks massive as fuck
you officially lost your mind,,coparing one of the worst champs to one of the best champ? for what exactly? this is night and day dorian should only be compared with ron colman if you even compare him with ron because it 2 diff physiqes but jason cutler is just not in the leage its like minors and majors basball teams
forget about the condition and the shear density and muscle proportion and balance and detail ,,any moron can take one look at jason and see that his all left side is bigger than the right and not by little,,jason cutler is as bad mr o as franco colombu was if not worse
gh15 approved
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sure dorian beats jay hands down but you had to scale the pictures right!!.. what is the point to make dorian bigger??..
Mr Wrong number 2 , the exact post above you explains I did NOT make the comparison I just posted it lol
good job reading the whole thread before jumping to conclusions ;)
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Dorian was a lot harder than Jay. Jay is still incresdable. I met Dorian in '93 and Jay this year (09). Both very impresive to see. They almost look fake! :o If anyone here hasn't seen the big pros in person, it's quite a site! Check it out if you ever have the chance! :)
I know I met coleman once. Scary big dude but very soft spoken and polite.
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He didn't make the comparison dipsh*t. Also, gay never made ANYONE look soft, let alone the hardest BB to ever live, Dorian Yates.
how am I a dipsh*t for not knowing ND didn't make that comparison? He posted it without giving credit and unlike most of you nuthuggers, I don't waste my days on getbig. So explain how I was suppose to know, dumbf*ck.
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how am I a dipsh*t for not knowing ND didn't make that comparison? He posted it without giving credit and unlike most of you nuthuggers, I don't waste my days on getbig. So explain how I was suppose to know, dumbf*ck.
Try reading the thread next time, idiot....reply #4 to be exact.
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Try reading the thread next time, idiot....reply #4 to be exact.
i took it as he found the jay picture on flexonline
not the comparison
but hey i could be wrong.
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My point is you're nothing but a TROLL
and I didn't bring up Ronnie MORON ;) owned again
...and what does that make you, Mr. 27,000+ posts?
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And to think Barney on the left pushed Coleman to the limit LMFAO
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=325769;image)
yeah, he really did: ::)
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you officially lost your mind,,coparing one of the worst champs to one of the best champ? for what exactly? this is night and day dorian should only be compared with ron colman if you even compare him with ron because it 2 diff physiqes but jason cutler is just not in the leage its like minors and majors basball teams
forget about the condition and the shear density and muscle proportion and balance and detail ,,any moron can take one look at jason and see that his all left side is bigger than the right and not by little,,jason cutler is as bad mr o as franco colombu was if not worse
gh15 approved
You have to be kidding!? I agree with everything else up to that statement.
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Jay is destroying Ronnie' from the waist down there, and Yates' back is better than Coleman's ;)
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:-\
Jay winning the ironman (?) vs dorian winning the 94 or 95 Olympia (not sure what year this is)- its hard to tell dorian's post tear years apart sometimes cause he looked like garbage from the front in all of them..
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Jay is destroying Ronnie' from the waist down there, and Yates' back is better than Coleman's ;)
I take it you hail from England?
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he hails from the end of dorian's english sausage.. :-X
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...
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best FLS ever
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=325940;image)
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Neither Jay nor Dorian would ever be accused as being pretty to look at. Between the two, it's hard to say who's better. Jay was wider and had more freaky bodyparts, but he also could never bring condition like Dorian. Dorian's back is obviously much better, but he had a nasty bicep tear.
Now, which one has made more money off the sport?
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best FLS ever
...says the man from England.
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best FLS ever
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=325940;image)
but only if you ignore the arms, quads, general lack of detail, cuts or refinement..
::)
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Dorian knew latspread = all about the lats. :D
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best FLS ever
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=325940;image)
yes but nasser was better than him in this pose in 97..
lee haney's FLS too is great!..
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yes but nasser was better than him in this pose in 97..
No.
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No.
yes :P
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yes :P
No.
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how am I a dipsh*t for not knowing ND didn't make that comparison? He posted it without giving credit and unlike most of you nuthuggers, I don't waste my days on getbig. So explain how I was suppose to know, dumbf*ck.
You're a ' dipshit ' because you didn't ask first you assumed and we all know what they say about assumption ;) that's what happens when you're trying to prove me wrong and you're the last person who should be questioning ANYONES picture comparison abilities lol
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...and what does that make you, Mr. 27,000+ posts?
It doesn't make me a troll , I have 27K posts in 5 years and I still only average 13 a day.
A troll is someone who is in every Dorian Yates thread spouting their nonsense , not sticking to the topic at hand , trying to turn every thread into Ronnie was better , you wanna see a troll? take a look in the mirror and just look at all your Coleman nutt-hugging buddies like , Hulkster , pumpster , neoseminole , immortal , iceman , shall I continue?
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i took it as he found the jay picture on flexonline
not the comparison
but hey i could be wrong.
No I didn't make the comparison , I just found it and posted it , I know the pic of Jay was from Flexonline I've seen that one before .
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epic biased comparison. Not only did you scale Dorian much taller (notice his feet are cut off) but you chose arguably his best pic ever and an unflattering shot of Jay. Here is a better pic of 'smooth' Jay making Dorian look soft and bloated. :-\
Jason Cutler is not as good as Dorian Yates, I'm afraid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You're a ' dipshit ' because you didn't ask first you assumed and we all know what they say about assumption that's what happens when you're trying to prove me wrong and you're the last person who should be questioning ANYONES picture comparison abilities lol
haha, I'm suppose to ask if you made that comparison? Sorry to break it to you but using someone else's work without posting a source is the same as taking credit for it whether you intended to or not. So you can take back your queer wink face which you are so fond of and shove it up your ass. ;)
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Jason Cutler is not as good as Dorian Yates, I'm afraid.
I agree.
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haha, I'm suppose to ask if you made that comparison? Sorry to break it to you but using someone else's work without posting a source is the same as taking credit for it whether you intended to or not. So you can take back your queer wink face which you are so fond of and shove it up your ass. ;)
I believe they call that a meltdown ;)
run along bitch boy that's what happens when you try and act the roll
Boy-Neo in yet another NarcissisticDeity Dorian Yates thread ;D thanks for playing
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Hmm, obvious pointless and slightly immature comparison. Nevertheless, Dorian clearly wins it in the first pic where Jay was not his best. I think everybody knows Nasser was better than Dorian from the front, and I think Jay at the IronMan was too. Better quads, calves there look as good tbh, obviously better upper arms, he even has the impression of superior lat width in the iron man photo. Call it ignorance or whatever, but comparing the pics it's how it looks, regardless of any preconceptions one has about Dorian's lats.
From the back Dorian would dominate of course, and win overall. But in the Ironman front comparison with the Dorian '93 pic I say quads, arms, lats and great balance mean Jay takes it. He was great from the front that year.
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Jay seems to have better shoulders than Yates.
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Jay seems to have better shoulders than Yates.
so did most other pros..
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Jay seems to have better shoulders than Yates.
And fatter ;D
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8)
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those shots of Jay probably surpass dorian's front shots..
but Jay's back gets crushed by dorian, who had the second best back ever.
Jay has the 343049583857904508934234 5345389038'd best back ever. 8)
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from the front (which is the most important) jay wins every time except 93
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This entire thread is a complete insult to Dorian. It is a toss up between Ronnie and Dorian, but Jay? Come on. He doesn't have near the quality of mass and conditioning that Dorian did. And that goes for every single pose.
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from the front (which is the most important) jay wins every time except 93
The front is the most important huh? thanks for sharing that tidbit of ignorance
I'll let you in on bit of a secret , everything is the ' most important ' ;)
in every single pose in every single round ALL of the criteria is assessed at once .
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The front is the most important huh? thanks for sharing that tidbit of ignorance
I'll let you in on bit of a secret , everything is the ' most important ' ;)
in every single pose in every single round ALL of the criteria is assessed at once .
so having good glutes are as important as having a good chest or arms? ::)
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The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.
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The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.
And serratus and pec fullness. Depending on year. At the 96 Olympia Dorian's serratus were better than Gay Gutler's, meaning that Gay only had quads as a better bodypart than Dorian. The only thing that ever impressed me about Gay was his incredible pec fullness at the 06' Olympia: it looked like a fucking knight's armor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The only thing Jay has on Dorian are quads.
jays quads are only bigger than dorians but dorian's look better imo..
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And serratus and pec fullness. Depending on year. At the 96 Olympia Dorian's serratus were better than Gay Gutler's, meaning that Gay only had quads as a better bodypart than Dorian. The only thing that ever impressed me about Gay was his incredible pec fullness at the 06' Olympia: it looked like a fucking knight's armor.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yeah Jay's pecs look fuller, but that's because his contest conditioning his like Dorian's 9 weeks out. When Jay flexes his pecs nothing happens, but Dorian had all kinds of striations and seperation in his chest.
It's hard for any bodybuilder to beat this physique.
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so having good glutes are as important as having a good chest or arms? ::)
having a good everything is important , and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal '
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having a good everything is important , and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal '
Dorina still rules..
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Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed
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Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed
If dorian was injury free he will still be winning the O
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If dorian was injury free he will still be winning the O
Ronnie seems to think so
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Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him , they talk about the sport has progressed lol it's digressed
yeah, because the judging was so bad during his reign dorian shows up fat, missing one arm, and the judges still give him a perfect score..
::)
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and the general consensus is Flex would have beat Ronnie in 1998 if he had sharper glutes and hams so in an essence they were important that year it's the little details that separate one from another with all other things being ' equal
completely wrong.
the 'general consensus' was that Flex was going to win the show going in - not ronnie - as evidenced by the fact that Ronnie was not in the first callout and still won the contest, something that had not happened in years and years.
problem was, once the judges saw how good ronnie really was (not just the glutes and hams - check the pics) it was game over for flex. and Ronnie's score went way up. he was overlooked a bit at first, even at the contest that he eventually won.
Ronnie crushed flex in most areas, not just glutes and hams.
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Ronnie seems to think so
he knows IFBB politics.
so do most fans.
you don't.
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Strictly going by the IFBB judging criteria Dorian would beat any Mr Olympia winner before him and after him
biggest load of bullshit ever.
strictly going by IFBB criteria dorian would have lost to a peak ronnie even at his best.
see the truce thread that you ran away from for an in depth discussion.
so no, dorian would not have beaten any mr. o after him.
maybe Dex and Jay, but sure as hell not a peak ronnie.
only delusional morons like yourself think that.. :P
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biggest load of bullshit ever.
strictly going by IFBB criteria dorian would have lost to a peak ronnie even at his best.
see the truce thread that you ran away from for an in depth discussion.
so no, dorian would not have beaten any mr. o after him.
maybe Dex and Jay, but sure as hell not a peak ronnie.
only delusional morons like yourself think that.. :P
You didn't know and still don't know the IFBB judging criteria , peak Ronnie loses he's still smaller , not as hard or as dry or as balanced and his posing sucks , old news
I beat you in the truce thread kid case closed which is why little Hulkster the lost puppy follows me around because even his own hero says Doian would have beaten at his best
keep proving me right fan boy I own you like Dorian owned Ronnie
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completely wrong.
the 'general consensus' was that Flex was going to win the show going in - not ronnie - as evidenced by the fact that Ronnie was not in the first callout and still won the contest, something that had not happened in years and years.
problem was, once the judges saw how good ronnie really was (not just the glutes and hams - check the pics) it was game over for flex. and Ronnie's score went way up. he was overlooked a bit at first, even at the contest that he eventually won.
Ronnie crushed flex in most areas, not just glutes and hams.
The consensus AFTER THE FACT you idiot not before hand. and Yes no matter how much you'd like to type to the contrary 1998 was and still is one of the closest contests in IFBB history , Ronnie won because he had tighter hams/glutes period
Flex himself said if he showed up looking like he did at that years Arnold he would have beaten Ronnie , Ronnie was awesome that year no doubt a deserved winner but make no mistake Ronnie was lucky in 98 lucky he was on and lucky Flex wasn't
Ronnie at his admited BEST Olympia showing just barely squeeks out a win in one of the closet Mr Olympia contests EVER against a lest than stella Flex , Dorian beat Flex in 1993 not at his absolute best but pretty damn close and he wasn't even close , Dorian was so far ahead the judges said forget the muscularity round it's redundant ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Dorian 1993 Olympia would trample peak Ronnie 1998 , 1999 Ronnie shows up 7 pounds heavier with an ill effect on his density and he would be left for dead by a hard as nails and dry Yates
Flex 1993 says Dorian is unbeatable , Flex 1999 says turns his back on Ronnie and says he's number one LMFAO peak Ronnie bites the dust
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he knows IFBB politics.
so do most fans.
you don't.
yeah Ronnie knows the IFBB politics 2000/2001/2002/2004 lol
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Lol...Yates clearly owns Hulkster's mind - here he is in another Dorian thread making ignorant statements. Give it up Hulkster, Dorian was just as awesome as Ronnie; you are the most delusional person on this board. Even those who justifiably think Ronnie was better still admit Dorian was great.
Jay could never touch the quality combination of mass & condition that Yates consistently displayed.
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Lol...Yates clearly owns Hulkster's mind - here he is in another Dorian thread making ignorant statements. Give it up Hulkster, Dorian was just as awesome as Ronnie; you are the most delusional person on this board. Even those who justifiably think Ronnie was better still admit Dorian was great.
Jay could never touch the quality combination of mass & condition that Yates consistently displayed.
He hates the fact that Dorian dominated in a way Ronnie didn't
He hates the fact Dorian was so far & above everyone else in 1993 he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round
He hates the fact that despite the closeness in age Dorian always beat Ronnie
He hates the fact that Ronnie at his very best had his hands full with Flex Wheeler a guy Dorian destroyed
He hates the fact that his very own hero even after he became 8 time Mr Olympia still said he could not beat Dorian
He hates the fact Dorian had much better conditioning
He hates the fact Dorian even at his worse was much better than his contemporaries and Ronnie was beaten
He hates the fact I kicked his fucking ass in the Truce Thread and walked away in victory while he's relegated to chasing me around bad mouthing where I work lmao
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Flowerboy is melting down!
so is Royal Pain!
they type all the words, yet none are backed up by real life!
eg.
peak Ronnie loses he's still smaller , not as hard or as dry or as balanced and his posing sucks
total bullshit. Ronnie 99 is 257 pounds (same size), way more ripped, striated, just as dry and no major proportion issues at all (even his calves don't look undersized, unlike dorian's twig arms!):
all your bullshit cannot overcome real life:
note the perfect proportions of Ronnie's 99 form: no balance issues what so ever.
unlike mr twigs on a barrel, who would just barely beat Jay, getting owned fromt the front, but winning from the back.
it would be nasser vs dorian all over again.
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Flowerboy is melting down!
so is Royal Pain!
they type all the words, yet none are backed up by real life!
eg.
total bullshit. Ronnie 99 is 257 pounds (same size), way more ripped, striated, just as dry and no major proportion issues at all (even his calves don't look undersized, unlike dorian's twig arms!):
all your bullshit cannot overcome real life:
note the perfect proportions of Ronnie's 99 form: no balance issues what so ever.
unlike mr twigs on a barrel, who would just barely beat Jay, getting owned fromt the front, but winning from the back.
it would be nasser vs dorian all over again.
meltdown , Hulkster in yet another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie wrong lmfao
he never recovered ;)
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Lol...."real life" would be seeing them in person and nearly everyone who ever saw Dorian in person has said he was on another level and totally dominant. I saw Ronnie in real life and in 02 he did not dominate, but in 03-05 he sure did. You think that posting the worst pics of Dorian is real life?
Those are great shots of Ronnie you posted. Dorian is right there though.
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meltdown , Hulkster in yet another Yates thread trying to prove Ronnie wrong lmfao
he never recovered ;)
Lol - ND leaves the Truce thread only to be followed into every thread he posts in. Come on, Hulkster, you even followed ND into the thread he started on aestetics and started bashing Yates. Give it up already!
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Lol...."real life" would be seeing them in person and nearly everyone who ever saw Dorian in person has said he was on another level and totally dominant. I saw Ronnie in real life and in 02 he did not dominate, but in 03-05 he sure did. You think that posting the worst pics of Dorian is real life?
Those are great shots of Ronnie you posted. Dorian is right there though.
Ronnie has seen Dorian many times live and in person and there is a very good reason he said he couldn't beat Dorian ;D
Hulkster is deathly afraid of great pics of Yates for a reason and 1999 lol admittedly Ronnie said on multiple occasions his best Olympia was his best because he was better conditioned lol
Hulkster owned by Ronnie once again ;D
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wtf?! ronnie barely beat wheeler and Yates manhandled a peak wheeler at the 93 Olympia. can you see where this is going?
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wtf?! ronnie barely beat wheeler and Yates manhandled a peak wheeler at the 93 Olympia. can you see where this is going?
Exactly - Ronnie won in 98 because Wheeler was off and didn't look conditioned from the back. 93 Wheeler was in peak condition, but was dominated by Yates.
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wtf?! ronnie barely beat wheeler and Yates manhandled a peak wheeler at the 93 Olympia. can you see where this is going?
He hates when you point that out lol Ronnie at his admitted best Olympia showing of ALL of his 8 said 1998 was his best , he just barely by the skin of his teeth beat Flex who was no where near what he was in 1993 when Dorian destroyed him , Ronnie peak Ronnie that is , his best Olympia 1998 Ronnie would be left for dead by Dorian 1993 Olympia nevermind Dorian 1993 pre-contest at 269 pounds
Hulkster hates Ronnie for admitting Dorian is superior lol
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wtf?! ronnie barely beat wheeler and Yates manhandled a peak wheeler at the 93 Olympia. can you see where this is going?
lol how stupid.
Ronnie 98 barely beat Wheeler only because the judges overlooked him in the early rounds -and Flex gained a lot of points on name value alone..
look what happened in 99 when the judges didnt give a shit about Flex and his momentum going in.
he got crushed by ronnie even worse than dorian crushed him..
use your head before you post next time.
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93 Wheeler was in peak condition, but was dominated by Yates.
::)
man you guys are really stupid this evening.
flex 93 olympia was WAY OFF his peak condition, that he achieved at the AC that year.
had flex showed up like he looked at the AC, dorian may have lost the olympia that year.
dorian was always lucky: Flex and Kevin (and Vince Taylor in 92) never seemed to pull it all together for the Olympias. they always peaked at the ACs.
this saved dorian's ass more than once.
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he just barely by the skin of his teeth beat Flex
yeah, look how close it was:
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too much flower perfume can really fuck up the mind, can't it?
you need to look at more than just the numbers on the score sheet to see how close a contest was:
see: Flex gets crushed. even if the numbers lead one to believe it was close.
it wasnt:
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lol how stupid.
Ronnie 98 barely beat Wheeler only because the judges overlooked him in the early rounds -and Flex gained a lot of points on name value alone..
look what happened in 99 when the judges didnt give a shit about Flex and his momentum going in.
he got crushed by ronnie even worse than dorian crushed him..
use your head before you post next time.
ha ha ha ha excuses , excuses , Ronnie was LUCKY to beat Flex
lmfao how could Flex get crushed more in 99 than he did in 1993 you idiot? he was near his peak in 1993 AND Dorian was so far ahead of everyone including a near peak Flex he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round ;)
that's ownage kid
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yeah, look how close it was:
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too much flower perfume can really fuck up the mind, can't it?
you need to look at more than just the numbers on the score sheet to see how close a contest was:
see: Flex gets crushed. even if the numbers lead one to believe it was close.
it wasnt:
ha ha ha it was the closest Mr Olympia contest in the HISTORY of the contest
Flex was NO WHERE NEAR 1993 and he almost won , watch the video kid I have it , if Flex had ripped hams and glutes 1998 Ronnie would have lost
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sorry Flowerboy, but if you can't see that Ronnie is crushing Flex in 98, you truly have no knowledge of the sport:
oh wait, your only knowledge lies in flower arrangments hahaha
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AND Dorian was so far ahead of everyone including a near peak Flex he didn't even need to be included in the muscularity round
that's ownage kid
no, thats the most blatant act of biased judging in bodybuilding history.
by definition.
you cant get around that.
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hey flowerboy, I love how you keep ignoring the side chest shot I keep showing you, and still insisting that the contest was 'close'
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sorry Flowerboy, but if you can't see that Ronnie is crushing Flex in 98, you truly have no knowledge of the sport:
oh wait, your only knowledge lies in flower arrangments hahaha
You're always trying to rewrite bodybuilding history , you think posting a single comparison means anything? I have the contest did you ever watch the whole thing besides looking at pics? lol you internet-fan-boy lmao
I own you like Dorian owned Flex and Ronnie ;)
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Here are some good shots of the 93 Mr. O. Flex was peeled and at his all time best and Dorian still dominated.
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You're always trying to rewrite bodybuilding history
you're always trying to reduce the contests to some numbers on a page, without looking to see if those numbers actually correspond to what is actually seen onstage.
they don't alot of the time.
and 98 is a prime example of this..
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Here are some good shots of the 93 Mr. O. Flex was peeled and at his all time best and Dorian still dominated.
you obviously have never seen the 93 Flex AC shots with ripped glutes and hams..
not to mention a more ripped upper body and back..
ND loves to say Flex was peak in 93 at the olympia only because it makes his hero look better.
problem was, he was noticably off his Arnold Classic Form.
this is common knowledge, and even commented on in the Flex magagazine review of the contest..
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Face it, when it came to dense size no one could match Dorian.
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you're always trying to reduce the contests to some numbers on a page, without looking to see if those numbers actually correspond to what is actually seen onstage.
they don't alot of the time.
and 98 is a prime example of this..
I have the contest do you? answer the question ? I've seen the contest very close but Ronnie is the deserving winner
YOU are always trying to rewrite bodybuilding history and are ALWAYS in direct opposition with the judges , that means as usual YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT old news ;)
quote Flex magazine Jan 1999 Team Flex
When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.
team Flex admitting if Flex was on he's kick Ronnie's ass ha ha ha ha cling to what they say now fan-boy ;)
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you obviously have never seen the 93 Flex AC shots with ripped glutes and hams..
not to mention a more ripped upper body and back..
ND loves to say Flex was peak in 93 at the olympia only because it makes his hero look better.
problem was, he was noticably off his Arnold Classic Form.
this is common knowledge, and even commented on in the Flex magagazine review of the contest..
A 93 Mr. Flex was much better than a 98 Flex; Yates dominated in 93; Ronnie barely won in 98.
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you obviously have never seen the 93 Flex AC shots with ripped glutes and hams..
not to mention a more ripped upper body and back..
ND loves to say Flex was peak in 93 at the olympia only because it makes his hero look better.
problem was, he was noticably off his Arnold Classic Form.
this is common knowledge, and even commented on in the Flex magagazine review of the contest..
1993 Flex was prime NO oil like when Ronnie beat him ;) ;D
Dorian didn't beat Flex 93 ASC but he was pretty damn close , a fuck of a lot better than Mr Oil 1998 ;)
Oh and these people were there both years
Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
Hulkster = owned ;)
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BOOM!
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No version of Flex Wheeler would have come close to Dorian in 93.
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why do you morons keep saying that ronnie 'barely won' in 98?
is it because the scores show them to be close? (even though the scores should have been like 99 - a massacre of flex by ronnie)
or because reality shows flex getting crushed:?
explain. ::)
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No version of Flex Wheeler would have come close to Dorian in 93.
And no version of Ronnie could either no in density & dryness not in balance & proportion and not in posing & presentation
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why do you morons keep saying that ronnie 'barely won' in 98?
is it because the scores show them to be close? (even though the scores should have been like 99 - a massacre of flex by ronnie)
or because reality shows flex getting crushed:?
explain. ::)
Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again.
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why do you morons keep saying that ronnie 'barely won' in 98?
is it because the scores show them to be close? (even though the scores should have been like 99 - a massacre of flex by ronnie)
or because reality shows flex getting crushed:?
explain. ::)
All you have posted is the same side chest shot and Flex isn't hitting the pose correctly. The fdb shot you posted could go either way.
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All you have posted is the same side chest shot and Flex isn't hitting the pose correctly. The fdb shot you posted could go either way.
NO bitch tits on Flex in the front double biceps pose :-X
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Jon Hotten Muscle :
[Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again.
please tell me you don't agree with those ridiculous statements.
have you seen how badly Flex got crushed in 99? its 1000x worse than he got crushed in 1998, which was bad enough..
secondly, you have that one quote, I can dig up tons of quotes saying the EXACT OPPOSITE.
after all these years, flowerboy, you still haven't learned anything..
so sad.. :-\
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The fdb shot you posted could go either way.
but only if your Flowerboy's bitch who wants to make ronnie seem worse so dorian will look better.. :-X
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please tell me you don't agree with those ridiculous statements.
have you seen how badly Flex got crushed in 99? its 1000x worse than he got crushed in 1998, which was bad enough..
secondly, you have that one quote, I can dig up tons of quotes saying the EXACT OPPOSITE.
after all these years, flowerboy, you still haven't learned anything..
so sad.. :-\
I agree with 1998 and FYI he was there in 1999 so his opinion kicks the shit out of yours ;) and Ronnie 99 said he couldn't touch Yates ha ha ha ha owned ;)
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but only if your Flowerboy's bitch who wants to make ronnie seem worse so dorian will look better.. :-X
No the BITCH TITS makes Ronnie look worse in that pose idiot ;) Flex had an awesome front double biceps in 1998 clearly better
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And no version of Ronnie could either no in density & dryness not in balance & proportion and not in posing & presentation
as always, reality is Flowerboy's worst enemy: ::)
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ouch. look how shitty dorian's glutes/ham/arms are in comparison, not to mention the paper thin lack of thickness in comparison. its not even close.
ronnie is 10 pounds lighter yet his back is way thicker.
oh yeah, I forgot, most of dorian's extra weight is in the keg midsection.. :-\
ronnie's back is superior. just like the Flex poll says..
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I agree with 1998 and FYI he was there in 1999 so his opinion kicks the shit out of yours ;) and Ronnie 99 said he couldn't touch Yates ha ha ha ha owned ;)
what about the opinion of so many other people who where there?
it takes about 2 seconds to find tons of quotes talking about how 99 ronnie crushed all competiton that year, and how in 98 he won convincingly, despite what the numbers might lead one to believe without looking at media from the contest?
::)
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as always, reality is Flowerboy's worst enemy: ::)
I would be willing to concede that Ronnie in this particular contest perhaps matches Yates in terms of density & dryness albeit 10 pounds lighter , but sorry Hulkster balance & proportion ALL Dorian same with posing and presentation not so much in this pose because this is one pose Ronnie can hit correctly even though he arches slightly back , muscular bulk Yates again
Dorian is clearly winning this comparison using the criteria , sorry Kid , Ronnie is getting beat
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what about the opinion of so many other people who where there?
it takes about 2 seconds to find tons of quotes talking about how 99 ronnie crushed all competiton that year, and how in 98 he won convincingly, despite what the numbers might lead one to believe without looking at media from the contest?
::)
I agree he was the clear winner in 1999 but your opinion means shit because it's biased and flat out wrong as usual , you're the same moron who thinks he's just as conditioned at 01 but 10 pounds heavier and NO ONE considers this his best showing lol
I have BOTH contests on video do you? ;)
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ouch. look how shitty dorian's glutes/ham/arms are in comparison, not to mention the paper thin lack of thickness in comparison. its not even close.
ronnie is 10 pounds lighter yet his back is way thicker.
oh yeah, I forgot, most of dorian's extra weight is in the keg midsection.. :-\
ronnie's back is superior. just like the Flex poll says..
ha ha ha ignorance meltdown Dorian's glutes are ripped just because YOU are fond or Ronnies doesn't mean they're better remember proportion? are Dorian's sticking out ? NO in proportion with the rest of his physique and you don't have the first clue on what great hamstrings are , do yourself a favor and go to amazon.com and buy a Grey's anatomy book and learn what the muscles of the leb biceps are and then come back and apologize for your stupidity , Dorian's leg biceps are clearly thicker and more defined to boot and separated
Arms? ONLY advantage Ronnie has is biceps , wrong again kid m back? Dorian hands down , wider , lower inserting lats , thicker and more defined and separated
Dorian's back just like Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman and Samier Bannout say is much better ;)
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ouch. look how shitty dorian's glutes/ham/arms are in comparison, not to mention the paper thin lack of thickness in comparison. its not even close.
ronnie is 10 pounds lighter yet his back is way thicker.
oh yeah, I forgot, most of dorian's extra weight is in the keg midsection.. :-\
ronnie's back is superior. just like the Flex poll says..
Keg midsection? Right...
And, since you like striated glutes so much...
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you're the same moron who thinks he's just as conditioned at 01 but 10 pounds heavier and NO ONE considers this his best showing lol
wrong. lots and lots of people do. look around whenever 99 videos or pics are posted. most people say the same thing: 99 was his best look.
the problem is, McGough doesn't and thats the only opinion you chose to believe.. ::)
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Dorian is fucking INSANE in this shot :o Head to toe, Coleman cannot compare, as good as he was. Dorian was just that much better.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326196;image)
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Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.
Muscle Mass and Muscle Density is highly prized among ALL competitive bodybuilders
Dorian kills Ronnie because he's bigger , harder and dryer and better balance , oh and he's a better poser
exactly why Ronnie admitted defeat to him ;)
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To look at this shot and say Flex should have won, as you did Hulkster, just goes to show how clueless you are
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326196;image)
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wrong. lots and lots of people do. look around whenever 99 videos or pics are posted. most people say the same thing: 99 was his best look.
the problem is, McGough doesn't and thats the only opinion you chose to believe.. ::)
LMFAO all nutt-huggers think 99 is his best , all nutt-huggers are like you , ignorant
Ronnie says 1998 was his best Olympia his opinion kicks your ass , McGough says 01 ASC his opinion kicks your ass , Perine as 98 or 01 ASC his opinion kicks your ass
we've already established you don't know the first thing about competitive bodybuilding , remember Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian? and Flex won in 1993 lol
I know Ronnie is better conditioned in 1998 compared to 1999 I do think he looks better fuller but I know it comes at the expense of density it's a trade off he can get away with that when guys like a past-prime Flex and a soft Cormier , Yates sorry he would make Ronnie look off
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Dorian 93 was the greatest bodybuilder to ever grace a stage. That physique would have won every single Mr. Olympia from 1965 to 2008
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To look at this shot and say Flex should have won, as you did Hulkster, just goes to show how clueless you are
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326196;image)
You can see the difference in balance & proportion it's night & day , Flex has a short torso ( much like Ronnie ) long legs and arms in relation to the torso ( guess like who ) small calves for their quads ( hello Ronnie ) Dorian's balance is eons better than both , couple that with unequaled density and size as well as posing and lights out Ronnie and Flex ;)
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But Hulkster thinks Dorian's back was paper thin. If that doesn't shed some light on his stupidity, I don't know what will.
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The difference in condition between Flex and Yates here is staggering. Just look at the skin on the legs...Dorian is peeled, bone dry. Flex looks soft and soggy in comparison
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326196;image)
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The difference in condition between Flex and Yates here is staggering. Just look at the skin on the legs...Dorian is peeled, bone dry. Flex looks soft and soggy in comparison
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326196;image)
And yet this Flex is much better than the version that Ronnie barely beat in 98. Further proof that Dorian was at least as good as Ronnie.
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lol how stupid.
Ronnie 98 barely beat Wheeler only because the judges overlooked him in the early rounds -and Flex gained a lot of points on name value alone..
look what happened in 99 when the judges didnt give a shit about Flex and his momentum going in.
he got crushed by ronnie even worse than dorian crushed him..
use your head before you post next time.
meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.
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meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.
Ha ha ha ha Hulkster owned yet again by someone who was actually there , bye bye internet-fan-boy
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I expect this thread to go 1500 pages.
lol
sad isn't it........
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And yet this Flex is much better than the version that Ronnie barely beat in 98. Further proof that Dorian was at least as good as Ronnie.
Damn Yates on again hands down
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meltdown. go to a pro show for once then talk judging to me. ive seen both ron and Dorian live and in person, on stage at diff times. Yates wins and owns you.
I wish I would have seen Dorian compete :( I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.
What year did you see Dorian?
It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.
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I wish I would have seen Dorian compete :( I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.
What year did you see Dorian?
It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.
I saw Dorian in '96 in Chicago. When the competitors walked out, there were murmurs in the crowd about how good Nasser looked. When they were compared from the back, all of that stopped. It wasn't even close. I know there's one shot that gets shown over and over again with Nasser in the middle doing a rear lat spread that the naysayers like to use to counter this, but it just wasn't the case. Yates' advantage from the back was much, much more than Nasser's advantage from the front.
I also saw his NOC win, and saw him guest pose in Boston at 305. His smallest bodypart was his head at the guest posing. He looked like a cartoon.
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I wish I would have seen Dorian compete :( I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.
What year did you see Dorian?
It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.
Mr. Olympia 1991, Mr. Olympia 1995. saw Ronnie at the 07 and 08 Mr. Olympias. talked with Yates at the 09 ASC.
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I thought this thread was about Dorian vs Jay?
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler128.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler21a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Jay%20Cutler/JayCutler92.jpg)
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Keg midsection? Right...
yes, its exactly right:
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I wish I would have seen Dorian compete :( I attended the Mr. O from 02-06 and had the opportunity to see Ronnie. In 02 he wasn't very impressive at all; however 03-05 he was by far the best competitor on stage with exception of his midsection.
What year did you see Dorian?
It is funny how Hulkster and Co. base their expert analysis on nothing but comparison pics from different shows. I have no problem with someone preferring Ronnie to Dorian, however, to discredit Dorian's accomplishments is absurd.
you might be interested in what a fellow getbigger who has seen BOTH dorian and ronnie compete has to say:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
hahahaha dorian owned as always
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Of course directly.
And I have seen him competing directly 1994 and 1996.
And I say
Dorian is not in the league of Ronnie.
Best Ronnie was from the outer space.
No competition.
Now I want to be criticized about my opinion by the people who has seen Dorian competing directly ONLY.
Are there anyone else here?
FlowerBoy and Royal Pain on suicide watch! :-X
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Unlike people, i think Jays best shape is more complete than Dorian.
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you might be interested in what a fellow getbigger who has seen BOTH dorian and ronnie compete has to say:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
hahahaha dorian owned as always
ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him ;D
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btw who is this midget
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ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him ;D
Flavio Baccianini
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yes, its exactly right:
Here are some more keg shots for you, Hulkster.
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I saw Dorian in '96 in Chicago. When the competitors walked out, there were murmurs in the crowd about how good Nasser looked. When they were compared from the back, all of that stopped. It wasn't even close. I know there's one shot that gets shown over and over again with Nasser in the middle doing a rear lat spread that the naysayers like to use to counter this, but it just wasn't the case. Yates' advantage from the back was much, much more than Nasser's advantage from the front.
I also saw his NOC win, and saw him guest pose in Boston at 305. His smallest bodypart was his head at the guest posing. He looked like a cartoon.
Great post Hulkster is owned Yet again
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ummm, i already stated that i have seen them both in competition. Ronnie got owned while being Mr. Olympia. Yates never had that going for him ;D
Hulkster owned yet again lol
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Fantastic condationing @ 270lbs.
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THE ironman pro pic of jay looks unreal.big ,big ,dude.muscle was dense and hard there not spongy like now.
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Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.
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Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.
Right on ;D
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Jay did get in great condition at the Ironman and also at the Arnold. However, he as to compete in the 240s to do so and was matched in size by Chris Cormier. Dorian could was peeled in the high 260s.
I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.
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I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.
I agree that Dorian looked best from 92-95, however, he still looked awesome at heavier weights. Just like Ronnie, the midsection tends to get bigger at the heavier weights, but the size and conditioning was incredible nonetheless. This last pic I posted is just insane.
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I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.
he was trying for and suceeded in acheiving the Kovacsian look LOL
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I always see talk about how Dorian still had great conditioning at heavier weights. This may be true, but he looked like ass with torn muscles and a huge midsection. So any advantage he might have in size is lost at the expense of symmetry.
Nothing torn 269 pounds with unequaled conditioning at this weight , according to people who've seen them all uncompromised symmetry and balance
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he was trying for and suceeded in acheiving the Kovacsian look LOL
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Conditioning wasn't his problem in 1997 270 pounds harder and drier than Ronnie 1999 ;)
same contest
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Jay winning the ironman (?) vs dorian winning the 94 or 95 Olympia (not sure what year this is)- its hard to tell dorian's post tear years apart sometimes cause he looked like garbage from the front in all of them..
wrong as always.
dorian > ronnie > jay
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates03.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates02.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy22.jpg)
its really not even close. dorian is an entirely different league than jay.
how would jay have done competing against the guys dorian beat?
i think kevin, flex, shawn, and nasser all would have beaten jay.
jay stood a chance in 03-04, but not now.
jay cant even beat victor and dexter.
jay lost his conditioning, his waist got too big, and his already bad symmetry is even worse. nothing flows.
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As usual, mental pygmy Huckster takes another opportunity to taint a thread that bears Dorian's name.
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Conditioning wasn't his problem in 1997 270 pounds harder and drier than Ronnie 1999 ;)
same contest
Ronnie was closer to his prime (98) than Dorian was in those shots.....tell me...where is Ronnie? lol
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Those are some amazing shots of Dorian from 97; even at his "worst" he was a force to be reckoned with. Just incredible thickness, density, and conditioning. Long live DOZ!
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Those are some amazing shots of Dorian from 97; even at his "worst" he was a force to be reckoned with. Just incredible thickness, density, and conditioning. Long live DOZ!
Dorian best O ever 8)
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Conditioning wasn't his problem in 1997 270 pounds harder and drier than Ronnie 1999 ;)
same contest
yeah, harder and drier my ass: ::)
Flowerboy, why do you type bullshit you know to be wrong?
do you thoroughly enjoy being stupid just for the hell of it?
I see all the other flower arrangers are out in full force on this thread LOL
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yeah, harder and drier my ass: ::)
Flowerboy, why do you type bullshit you know to be wrong?
do you thoroughly enjoy being stupid just for the hell of it?
I see all the other flower arrangers are out in full force on this thread LOL
Yep - just as conditioned, but 20lbs heavier. :o
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yeah, just as conditioned my ass ::)
yet again:
you cant win this based on the pics ND. and thats all you have. face it.
ronnie 99/2001AC was just as cut/dry if not moreso than dorian.
and he had the shape and lack of blockiness dorian didn't.
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why do you keep posting pics of dorian in 96 with arms like threads hanging off his shirt ???
holy twigs on a barrel in that front shot.
next time, use some better shots.
oh wait...
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yeah, just as conditioned my ass ::)
yet again:
you cant win this based on the pics ND. and thats all you have. face it.
ronnie 99/2001AC was just as cut/dry if not moreso than dorian.
and he had the shape and lack of blockiness dorian didn't.
Ronnie was as dry as a 2006 Dorian those years, but a 2006 Dorian is 20lbs heavier and just as dry/conditioned. Dorian wins.
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its funny how dorian how much smaller dorian's arms and quads were than ronnie, even at the same bodyweight.
dorian made up for the difference though in his enormous waist area.. :-X
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When did Ronnie have veins in his fucking lats?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326659;image)
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its funny how dorian how much smaller dorian's arms and quads were than ronnie, even at the same bodyweight.
dorian made up for the difference though in his enormous waist area.. :-X
Ronnie has arguably the biggest arms/quads ever. However, Dorian's were far from being so small in comparison that it's funny. Dorian's quads had a unique shape, however, they were far from small, even comparied to Ronnie.
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Dorian had incredible quads and arms.
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Dorian's quads had a unique shape
yeah, and they have been described as 'aids man' and 'radiation poisoned' by fellow getbiggers..(and not by me)
says a lot about how great that shape is, doesn't it? :-\
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yeah, just as conditioned my ass ::)
yet again:
you cant win this based on the pics ND. and thats all you have. face it.
ronnie 99/2001AC was just as cut/dry if not moreso than dorian.
and he had the shape and lack of blockiness dorian didn't.
but he was at least 10 lbs. heavier and not as dense which is why ronnie would loose.
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When did Ronnie have veins in his fucking lats?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326659;image)
When could Ronnie ever come close to Dorian's ab shots? Sick, just sick.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326429;image)
good god.. that’s impressive.
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Dorian had incredible quads and arms.
he didn't thats the point.
even in those two shots you posted. his arms are ho hum.
his quads, worse. esp the bottom shot.
his quads have little cuts, little detail. you cant even delinate the 4 heads of the quads, unlike in ronnie and most other top pros..
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dorian's quads are all size, little quality in comparison to ronnie
and even then, they are smaller..
its not even close.
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its not even close.
yates is white.. cut him a little slack.
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His quads have great separation. Sure, "ho hum" arms ::)
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yates is white.. cut him a little slack.
LOL
unfortunately for the dorian nuthuggers, colour has nothing to do with it.
if Yates were purple, his quads and arms would still suck compared to Ronnie
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It's becoming more and more apparent that Ronnie could never beat Dorian. Dorian was just too powerful.
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like I said, ho hum arms. ho hum quads..
sorry Royal Pain, you need to come to terms with the reality that dorian was not close to Ronnie's later years.
luckily, dorian retired long before Ronnie hit his prime..
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yeah, just as conditioned my ass ::)
yet again:
you cant win this based on the pics ND. and thats all you have. face it.
ronnie 99/2001AC was just as cut/dry if not moreso than dorian.
and he had the shape and lack of blockiness dorian didn't.
He was NEVER just as cry or as hard kid this is a FACT
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
99 Olympia is NOT in Dorian's league in terms of conditioning , he's said it , McGough has said it , Dorian has said it , it's old news only ignorant people claim otherwise
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LOL
unfortunately for the dorian nuthuggers, colour has nothing to do with it.
if Yates were purple, his quads and arms would still suck compared to Ronnie
Let's use Flex as a measuring stick; Ronnie has better quads (he looks incredible there), so does Dorian. Furthermore, in the pics you posted their legs are at completely different angles. I agree that Ronnie has better quads, but Dorian's were great nonetheless.
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Dorian hits the most mscular like a fucking idiot... has he ever seen a picture of that or ever looked in a mirror? ma he would look awesome in the pose if he just did it correctly
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like I said, ho hum arms. ho hum quads..
sorry Royal Pain, you need to come to terms with the reality that dorian was not close to Ronnie's later years.
luckily, dorian retired long before Ronnie hit his prime..
ha ha ha ha Dorian at 240 pounds compared to Ronnie at 257 and you have the balls to type ho-hum arms and quads you're melting down again kid ;)
This is a Hulkster comparison
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dorian's quads are all size, little quality in comparison to ronnie
and even then, they are smaller..
its not even close.
Yeah when you claimed Dorian had poor quads Royalty who has seen both of them said you're and idiot for claiming that in fact he callled you what you are an ' internet-fan-boy ' ;)
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Dorian hits the most mscular like a fucking idiot... has he ever seen a picture of that or ever looked in a mirror? ma he would look awesome in the pose if he just did it correctly
I agree - he does hit it weird and doesn't look as good as one would think. Jay has the same problem. These are the best MMs I have seen of Doz. There are some good ones from that B & W photoshoot too.
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I agree - he does hit it weird and doesn't look as good as one would think. Jay has the same problem. These are the best MMs I have seen of Doz. There are some good ones from that B & W photoshoot too.
;)
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Sorry Ronnie ;)
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It's easy to understand why Ronnie insists he couldn't touch Yates any fool can see ;D
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LOL
unfortunately for the dorian nuthuggers, colour has nothing to do with it.
if Yates were purple, his quads and arms would still suck compared to Ronnie
Reality is , Dorian owns Ronnie in this pose from head to toe ;)
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LOL Flowerboy is melting down coming to the aid of his blocky white lover #1, with Gunter being #2 lol
:P
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It's easy to understand why Ronnie insists he couldn't touch Yates any fool can see ;D
I think Yates is unbeatable in the side tri pose.
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LOL Flowerboy is melting down coming to the aid of his blocky white lover #1, with Gunter being #2 lol
:P
Coming from the guy who is reduced to posting shots of Yates at 240 pounds and using personal attacks , coming from the troll in yet another Dorian thread trying to prove Ronnie is better LMFAO owned
I own you like Dorian owns Ronnie
you fear Dorian at his best for for a very good reason ;) and I don't blame you , check out Dorian's ARMS ( biceps/triceps/forearms ) insane massive everywhere
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Reality is , Dorian owns Ronnie in this pose from KNEE to toe ;)
fixed for accuracy.
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, check out Dorian's ARMS ( biceps/triceps/forearms ) insane massive everywhere
still no match for ronnie.
thanks for playing
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I think Yates is unbeatable in the side tri pose.
Yates at his best beats Ronnie is ANY pose because the assess all the criteria at once , sure Ronnie has clear advantages in PARTS of the criteria but as a whole , Dorian simply racks up more of it , mass , density , dryness , balance , proportion , posing this really does apply in every pose
Hulkster fears Dorian at his best because he has nothing to respond to , this quads are great period and he knows it , which is exactly why he posts 1992 lol
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still no match for ronnie.
thanks for playing
See ignorance , sorry sport Dorian is 22 pounds heavier and looks it , 269 pounds beats 247 pounds ( muscular bulk ) density & dryness? I'll push , balance and proportion Dorian all day long , posing and presentation guess who ? ;)
Ronnie knows Dorian is better , only his idiotic nutt-hugging fans don't lol
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still no match for ronnie.
thanks for playing
Ronnie's back was great; however, this is the best back to ever appear on stage!
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fixed for accuracy.
Fixed because that's the only way Ronnie beats Dorian
you're deathly afraid of Dorian at his best and I don't blame you , Ronnie is too ;D ;)
no excuses in 1993 NO torn muscles biceps are huge , massive , hard , balanced and dry , case closed ;)
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Ronnie's back was great; however, this is the best back to ever appear on stage!
Ronnie 2003 seems to think so as does Samir Bannout and a host of others
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LMAO
so much for ND's bullshit
funny how the words he types about 'density, dryness, bulk, balance etc"
never really match up to real life....
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LMAO
so much for ND's bullshit
funny how the words he types about 'density, dryness, bulk, balance etc"
never really match up to real life....
ha ha ha screencap from a dvd vs a youtube grab that's reality?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
This is reality ;D ;)
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ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position
which is almost always.
says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?
what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either
the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.
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ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position
which is almost always.
says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?
what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either
the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.
Peter has seen both in REAL LIFE , Dorian has seen Ronnie in REAL LIFE and it's old news Dorian's harder & drier based on REAL LIFE comparisons , what sucks for you is reality owns you and you have nothing else
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
REALITY Dorian owns Ronnie in conditioning it's old news
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Quoting Peter McGough (who is not FAT by the way) about Dorian is like asking Ronnie's wife about him. What do you really think he's going to say. He's the ultimate British bodybuilding schmoe. You should hear him gush about that midget Flex Lewis.
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ND you always desperately resort to quotes, whenever real life visuals own your position
which is almost always.
says alot about the strength of your arguments, doesn't it?
what is funny, is that the quotes, like your posts, never match up to real life either
the visuals always tell a different story: ronnie owning your man love.
Lol, using a quote from someone who saw them both in person several times and is a bodybuilding expert is much more convincing than posting the bullshit comparisons that you do. That last MM comparison you put up is a prime example -- what the fuck does that prove?
And yes, I know there are plenty of quotes out there from people who prefer Ronnie. Bottom line is that a preference between Ronnie and Dorian is a subjective choice. I understand how and why you prefer Ronnie. However, I cannot understand why you have to constantly resort to insulting Dorian. It makes you look desperate and discredits your opinion greatly.
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Quoting Peter McGough (who is not FAT by the way) about Dorian is like asking Ronnie's wife about him. What do you really think he's going to say. He's the ultimate British bodybuilding schmoe. You should hear him gush about that midget Flex Lewis.
Not really and why? because he maintained that the best physique he's seen was ........Ronnie Coleman and if you didn't notice I also said Dorian claimed the obvious , his conditioning is unmatched by Ronnie it's old news but fan-boys don't like facts
so next time do more research before you type or you run the risk of looking as ignorant as these guys and that's bad
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Lol, using a quote from someone who saw them both in person several times and is a bodybuilding expert is much more convincing than posting the bullshit comparisons that you do. That last MM comparison you put up is a prime example -- what the fuck does that prove?
And yes, I know there are plenty of quotes out there from people who prefer Ronnie. Bottom line is that a preference between Ronnie and Dorian is a subjective choice. I understand how and why you prefer Ronnie. However, I cannot understand why you have to constantly resort to insulting Dorian. It makes you look desperate and discredits your opinion greatly.
That proves Hulkster is an idiot , that's what that proves , it proves he fears Dorian at his best just like Ronnie Coleman does :) ;) ;D
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This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
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getbiggers have seen both in real life too:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
and they echo what the visuals do: dorian is not even close to Ronnie at his best..
are you going to sweep this one under the carpet too? ::)
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This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
for 2003 Ronnie which was not his best.
notice how one of the first comments is one that ND hates to hear:
ronnie in '99 is better tho!!
he hates when people single out 1999 as Ronnie's best, since it goes against what his pal McGough thinks..
::)
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for 2003 Ronnie which was not his best.
notice how one of the first comments is one that ND hates to hear:
he hates when people single out 1999 as Ronnie's best, since it goes against what his pal McGough thinks..
::)
I care less about 1999 it's NOT his best and everyone who knows anything knows this
Ronnie Coleman HIMSELF said 1998 was his best Olympia ;) that my stupid little friend trumps ANYONE ;)
it must suck to be you , constantly wrong and proven wrong by Ronnie Coleman HIMSELF that's a kick in the balls and that's the reason you follow me around trying to bash me , because I own you all the time ;D
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This is the best set of comparisons I have come across.
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m3303692-print.aspx
Iceman has done some great ones.
problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:
dorian getting owned.
thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation. ::)
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getbiggers have seen both in real life too:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
and they echo what the visuals do: dorian is not even close to Ronnie at his best..
are you going to sweep this one under the carpet too? ::)
No need to sweep anything under the carpet kid , this is known as a Royal Flush ;)
interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
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Iceman has done some great ones.
problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:
dorian getting owned.
thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation. ::)
Ronnie is getting OWNED severely by Yates in those comparisons. Yates is much, much harder, and bigger.
Yates would easily defeat Ronnie.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=286266.0;attach=326511;image)
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Iceman has done some great ones.
problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:
dorian getting owned.
thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation. ::)
lmao ' great ones ' where Ronnie 1998 has a smaller waist and hips than Dorian at 260 pounds and bigger calves too LMFAO
that is the ONLY place Ronnie is going to beat Dorian in fanciful fan-boy comparisons that have absolutely NO basis in reality .
This is reality ;)
interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
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lmao ' great ones ' where Ronnie 1998 has a smaller waist and hips than Dorian at 260 pounds and bigger calves too LMFAO
that is the ONLY place Ronnie is going to beat Dorian in fanciful fan-boy comparisons that have absolutely NO basis in reality .
This is reality ;)
interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so.
And again as in real life dorrian wins! ;D
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And again as in real life dorrian wins! ;D
Getbiggers first hand accounts are ' reality ' Ronnie Coleman's isn't lol
Hulkster is always defeated by his own hero , that's exactly why he follows me ;D
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Getbiggers first hand accounts are ' reality ' Ronnie Coleman's isn't lol
yup.
getbiggers comments are based on the physiques.
Ronnie's was a direct comment on the "olympia dynasty" politics of the IFBB
which the whole world seems to know about, except for ND..
::)
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yup.
getbiggers comments are based on the physiques.
Ronnie's was a direct comment on the "olympia dynasty" politics of the IFBB
which the whole world seems to know about, except for ND..
::)
No Ronnie's comments aren't on the Olympia dynasty you quoted that find me where he says that I dare you , you're a liar lol
Ronnie's commenting on Dorian's physique no politics , it must suck to have to make shit up kid ;)
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Dorian is just MURDERING Ronnie here on dryness, thickness, condition. Ronnie looks soft and small in comparison. Even his traps looks like tubes of sausage :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326763;image)
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I love dorian but he is absolutely being destroyed in those comparison shots, jeezzzz.
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Iceman has done some great ones.
problem for you and flowerboy, is that they show what all the others show:
dorian getting owned.
thats why ND relies on quotes so much : they don't show the visuals, so he can hide behind the words and avoid the reality of the situation. ::)
I'll give Ronnie the MM shot, however, the rest of them are pretty damn close. What's funny though is that this 98 or 99 Ronnie looks much bigger compared to Dorian that a 2003 Ronnie in the link I posted. Weird because the 03 version is 30lbs heavier. I'm not sure these are great comparisons.
My stance has never changed: it is a tossup between these two; Ronnie has his stengths and so does Dorian. I prefer Dorian for his density and freaky conditioning; others prefer Ronnie for his insane volume and separation. However, to claim that one "dominates" the other is absurd and simply ignorant.
That being said I think Dorian had the size and the conditioning to beat a peak Ronnie. Ronnie was what, around 250lbs at his peak? He didn't look much bigger than Flex Wheeler at that weight and had to rely on conditioning to win. Dorian on the other had was fucking peeled at a higher body weight. Thus, IMO he would have more size than Ronnie and would also be more conditioned.
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No Ronnie's comments aren't on the Olympia dynasty you quoted that find me where he says that I dare you , you're a liar lol
you really have no clue do you?
its called understanding what people mean when they speak.
ronnie doesn't have to explicity say "the IFBB was giving gift wins to Mr. Olympias no matter how they looked back then" to understand that that is what he was referring to. everyone except you and your two bitches understand the comment. thats how english works. Its called alluding to something, without explicitly stating it..
you know, I poke fun at how you work with flowers, but man, when you act dumb, I think "no wonder".. :-\
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I love dorian but he is absolutely being destroyed in those comparison shots, jeezzzz.
of course he is.
these idiots are in complete denial..
thats why ND relies on quotes.
real life works against his position.
always will..
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326763;image)
(http://lifeofando.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/sausage.jpg)
Ronnie's muscles are like a sausage...full but SOFT
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While Huckster and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang will assert that Ronnie was not at his peak against Dorian, if Ronnie was so superior as they like to allege, why was Ronnie nowhere near Dorian in any of the contests? Oh, I forgot, politics..lol. ::) And for all of Hucksters "Kovacs" comparisons for Dorian, how bad then was Ronnie to have placed a very distant 9th in 1997? Funny, I don't see Ronnie's name in the title of this thread. Ironic how Ronnie always enters the fray when mental pygmy Huckster starts posting.
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You could just as easily ask why Ronnie never beat Nasser et all at the Olympia until '98.
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who gives a shit. post some pics of women instead.
posers.
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you really have no clue do you?
its called understanding what people mean when they speak.
ronnie doesn't have to explicity say "the IFBB was giving gift wins to Mr. Olympias no matter how they looked back then" to understand that that is what he was referring to. everyone except you and your two bitches understand the comment. thats how english works. Its called alluding to something, without explicitly stating it..
you know, I poke fun at how you work with flowers, but man, when you act dumb, I think "no wonder".. :-\
Oh so you're Ronnie's interpreter now huh? it's called Hulkster making excuses because Ronnie knows Dorian would beat him and for the record this is Ronnie saying what he means
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
Oppppssssss Hulkster the interpreter owned again
Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
Oppppsssss Hulkster the moron owned again , this is Ronnie saying what he means
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
This is Ronnie saying what he means ;) here is the best part of this , he's not even referring to Dorian at his best lmfao
Jim : You think so? Ronnie: I know so. cased closed , no thoughts about it ;D now if they posed the question Ronnie how would you beat Doirian at his best at 269 pounds with no torn muscles LMFAO I don't need to try and speak for him Hulkster , it's safe to assume what he'd think
Ronnie admits he couldn't beat Dorian = reality
Ronnie saying Dorian would win only because of politics = fantasy
guess where you are fan-boy ;)
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What's he supposed to do? Smack talk on a retired legend? Dude was modest, just like when Dorian clearly stated Ronnie would 'probably win' a couple of years ago. Don't mean dick.
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You could just as easily ask why Ronnie never beat Nasser et all at the Olympia until '98.
He beat Nasser a few times before he became Mr Olympia
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those shots of Jay probably surpass dorian's front shots..
but Jay's back gets crushed by dorian, who had the second best back ever.
Jay has the 343049583857904508934234 5345389038'd best back ever. 8)
Well, I'd say it is still good enough to beat you ebony muscle hero in a thong LOL :D
(http://tnation.tmuscle.com/forum_images/4/3/43385-jaycutleronniecoleman2.jpg)
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What's he supposed to do? Smack talk on a retired legend? Dude was modest, just like when Dorian clearly stated Ronnie would 'probably win' a couple of years ago. Don't mean dick.
I love when guys like you try and make excuses Ronnie was modest? this is modesty in your opinion?
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
no modesty just stating how he feels
Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
More modesty? on white mans opinion ring a bell? should I continue?
and Dorian was " I guess I don't know " big difference kid
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He beat Nasser a few times before he became Mr Olympia
Please re-read my wording, I accounted for that with the way I phrased it.
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Please re-read my wording, I accounted for that with the way I phrased it.
I know but my point is , so what , he beat him before , he never beat Dorian before .
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While Huckster and the rest of the Apple Dumpling Gang will assert that Ronnie was not at his peak against Dorian, if Ronnie was so superior as they like to allege, why was Ronnie nowhere near Dorian in any of the contests? Oh, I forgot, politics..lol. ::) And for all of Hucksters "Kovacs" comparisons for Dorian, how bad then was Ronnie to have placed a very distant 9th in 1997? Funny, I don't see Ronnie's name in the title of this thread. Ironic how Ronnie always enters the fray when mental pygmy Huckster starts posting.
Hulkster = troll nothing more
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faggets
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I love when guys like you try and make excuses Ronnie was modest? this is modesty in your opinion?
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
no modesty just stating how he feels
Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
More modesty? on white mans opinion ring a bell? should I continue?
and Dorian was " I guess I don't know " big difference kid
Epic generalising. These things aren't black and white, like all the best pics of Yates (not bashing, just saying). I don't presume to know what Ronnie is like all the time, he could be a total cock, as could Yates or anyone. The white man's opinion thing was perhaps not true on that occasion, so what makes you think his apparently uncharacteristically respectful answer regarding Yates is so true?
Most bodybuilders when asked say Arnold was the best ever, but does that mean he would beat them these days? Yates and Arnold are both legends, and I don't imagine anyone would want to dis them in public, just like Dorian didn't dis Ronnie when he stated his successor would 'probably win'.
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Epic generalising. These things aren't black and white, like all the best pics of Yates (not bashing, just saying). I don't presume to know what Ronnie is like all the time, he could be a total cock, as could Yates or anyone. The white man's opinion thing was perhaps not true on that occasion, so what makes you think his apparently uncharacteristically respectful answer regarding Yates is so true?
Most bodybuilders when asked say Arnold was the best ever, but does that mean he would beat them these days? Yates and Arnold are both legends, and I don't imagine anyone would want to dis them in public, just like Dorian didn't dis Ronnie when he stated his successor would 'probably win'.
Generalizing ? you're the one claiming he's just being ' modest ' don't presume to speak for him.
I provided two examples of Ronnie and his modesty and multiple times he feels Dorian would beat him , stop trying to minimize how he feels because it contradicts how you feel
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if Ronnie was so superior as they like to allege, why was Ronnie nowhere near Dorian in any of the contests?
he wasnt superior back in the mid 90's moron.
like Immortal pointed out, he lost to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME
::)
for good reason. he looked like crap compared to his later years: he had the shape, but he was soft as hell..
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ND. I presumed nothing, simply posed possibilities in a rational manner. Dorian did say Ronnie would 'probably win'. Since any interpretation of these words other than their face value meaning would apparently be presumptuous, I think you've got a problem with your argument.
In any case your replies just exited reality, I'm outy.
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I think you've got a problem with your argument.
gee, how rare.
Flowerboy has a problem with his argument..
lol
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ND. I presumed nothing, simply posed possibilities in a rational manner. Dorian did say Ronnie would 'probably win'. Since any interpretation of these words other than their face value meaning would apparently be presumptuous, I think you've got a problem with your argument.
In any case your replies just exited reality, I'm outy.
No you have a problem with Ronnie conceding Dorian would beat him . you presumed to know what he was thinking and you don't, you used the excuse he was being modest because it fits your agenda .
and reality is Ronnie feels Dorian would beat him he's said this on multiple occasions .
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he wasnt superior back in the mid 90's moron.
like Immortal pointed out, he lost to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME
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for good reason. he looked like crap compared to his later years: he had the shape, but he was soft as hell..
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gee, how rare.
Flowerboy has a problem with his argument..
lol
YOU have a problem with Ronnie admitting he couldn't beat Dorian ;)
your own hero agrees with me , that's gotta suck ;D you're reduced to speaking for him , making excuses , making up quotes , using unhanced screencaps , this is your ' argument '
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Oh so you're Ronnie's interpreter now huh? it's called Hulkster making excuses because Ronnie knows Dorian would beat him and for the record this is Ronnie saying what he means
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
Oppppssssss Hulkster the interpreter owned again
Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
Oppppsssss Hulkster the moron owned again , this is Ronnie saying what he means
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
This is Ronnie saying what he means ;) here is the best part of this , he's not even referring to Dorian at his best lmfao
Jim : You think so? Ronnie: I know so. cased closed , no thoughts about it ;D now if they posed the question Ronnie how would you beat Doirian at his best at 269 pounds with no torn muscles LMFAO I don't need to try and speak for him Hulkster , it's safe to assume what he'd think
Ronnie admits he couldn't beat Dorian = reality
Ronnie saying Dorian would win only because of politics = fantasy
guess where you are fan-boy ;)
but in a recent interview by shawn ray at the last AC dorian described ronnie as "probably the best ever".. he was begging him not to compete again as he has nothing to prove!.. so dont keep repeating what ronnie had said years ago when he was still one time mr. olympia winner.. he was still new as the champ and didnt want to sound cocky.. but after that he described himself as the best!..
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No you have a problem with Ronnie conceding Dorian would beat him . you presumed to know what he was thinking and you don't, you used the excuse he was being modest because it fits your agenda .
and reality is Ronnie feels Dorian would beat him he's said this on multiple occasions .
5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?
R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
mod⋅es⋅ty
/ˈmɒdəsti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mod-uh-stee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc.
2. regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc.
3. simplicity; moderation.
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it wouldn't be close, Ronnie is that far ahead:
Ronnie wins.
who cares about the rest:
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ND's physique doesn't fare so well unforunately..LOL
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ND's physique doesn't fare so well unforunately..LOL
pwned! :o
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Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326859;image)
He looks amazing on the right but not so amazing on the left. This proves how he lost condition when competing at a higher bodyweight.
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Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326859;image)
He looks amazing on the right but not so amazing on the left. This proves how he lost condition when competing at a higher bodyweight.
thats your problem. your using one comparison only.
ronnie was 1000x better conditioned when he won his Olympias:
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Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL
stop for a minute and think for once.
lets say ronnie was better conditioned in 97 than in 98 or 99.
do you really think that he would have placed 9th? over a worst ever yates, not so great kevin, not so great nasser etc.
you think he would have jumped 8 spots the next year for no reason?
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you guys amaze me with your stupidity, I swear.. :-\
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Judging by this comparison Coleman was better conditioned in 97. Where did it get him that year against Dorian Yates? LOL
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326859;image)
He looks amazing on the right but not so amazing on the left. This proves how he lost condition when competing at a higher bodyweight.
It does kind of look like that yes. The lighting is very different though in those two pics, much darker in the second one, and it's only a front shot. Clearly the judges thought he was better once Teh Chad came on the scene and had those glutes looking crazy. Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?
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Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?
that would be another 1600 page thread.
everyone beat Ronnie before he became Mr. O.
everyone.
Clairmonte, Levrone, Dorian, Ray, Flex,
fuck, 14 guys placed ahead of Ronnie in 1992 at the olympia alone..
and these idiots think he barely improved by the time he started winning Mr. O's/..
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he wasnt superior back in the mid 90's moron.
like Immortal pointed out, he lost to EVERYONE ALL THE TIME
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for good reason. he looked like crap compared to his later years: he had the shape, but he was soft as hell..
Yet at every turn, you denounce Dorian and on many occasions make claims of Ronnie looking better, even pre-1998. You're a walking contradiction.
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show me where...
In some shots, yes, he was, eg. his mm was probably better in 1994 than dorian's ever was.
but overall, no, thats why he lost to a million people.
ronnie's physique evolved drastically over the years culminating in his Mr. Olympia wins..
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Man, Ronnie's MM really regressed from 97-98 (his best) to 99. His waist, GH gut just blew up, shoulders lost detail, etc. It's pretty shocking that even his 97 condition was superior to 99, but then again the quality of competition really went down those few years.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326859;image)
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5. Q. This is my last question for you Ronnie, and it's quite "hypothetical" but I believe it is a good one. Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Lee Haney, and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?
R.C. Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win... but I couldn't have beat them in their hey days.
mod⋅es⋅ty
/ˈmɒdəsti/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [mod-uh-stee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc.
2. regard for decency of behavior, speech, dress, etc.
3. simplicity; moderation.
He was being modest in that quote sure , in the others NO that doesn't apply to the others nice try though
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It does kind of look like that yes. The lighting is very different though in those two pics, much darker in the second one, and it's only a front shot. Clearly the judges thought he was better once Teh Chad came on the scene and had those glutes looking crazy. Do you want me to list the people who came ahead of Ronnie in '07, who he later beat from '98 onwards?
The lighting has nothing to do with the much sharper delts , much smaller and tighter midsection , and the arms are about the same in some aspects Ronnie really improved in others he didn't
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Man, Ronnie's MM really regressed from 97-98 (his best) to 99. His waist, GH gut just blew up, shoulders lost detail, etc. It's pretty shocking that even his 97 condition was superior to 99, but then again the quality of competition really went down those few years.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=285641.0;attach=326859;image)
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if he looked like this in 97 he would have won the contest;
regressed my ass.. ::)
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look how much detail his shoulders lost! ::)
do you still think he looked better in 97? ::)
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look at the traps mass he put on :o
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that pic of jay was taken just before 2007 Mr olympia!thats was the year when he was awarded the Olympia!
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:o
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Look how much better Jay's most muscular looks when he actually hits it right.....
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The lighting has nothing to do with the much sharper delts , much smaller and tighter midsection , and the arms are about the same in some aspects Ronnie really improved in others he didn't
Okay yeah, I agree about improving in some ways and worsening in others, same thing happened to Yates and everyone human. Ronnie's delts did get bigger by 99, which was a good thing to balance out that chest and those arms. In '97 they were super striated but smaller in mass. I have never seen one striation in Yates's delts btw. Or anywhere apart from chest actually.
But all the Dorian people are deliberately not acknowledging that the judges started placing Ronnie a lot higher once the hams and glutes became the best in the world. And once the back improved a lot. I didn't know condition was dictates by midsection width, and arm size?!? (a strange thing to bring attention to given Ronnie's superiority in both even in the 99 shot), but I was under the impression bodyfat and water were quite important though, which The Judges definitely thought Ronnie had a whole lot less of from 98 onwards.
Everyone knows the story with Flex recommending Chad Nicholls, then Ronnie nailing his condition and leaping over everyone to win. Why pretend 97 Ronnie was already better than the one who would later beat Levrone, Ray, Nasser etc until they all retired?! when in 97 they were all killing him?
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Ronnie was better than Dorian from about 95 on, so were a lot of other guys that got the shaft from the judges. if Dorian didn't retire, and tore his OTHER bicep....they would still have give him the title in 98.
And the magazines would have said some stupid shit like "Despite numerous setbacks, Dorian again shows the heart and mettle of a true champion and guts out yet another victory,"
The last couple years of his reign were a total fucking travesty.
I think you are off base Hulkster. It's not that Ronnie improved so much, it's that once Dorian retired the guy with the best physique actually won for a change.
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He was being modest in that quote sure , in the others NO that doesn't apply to the others nice try though
What? How do you know? I sure don't.
How can you rage at me for apparently 'presuming' to know when he's being modest or not, then write that hypocrisy of a reply?
Shouldn't you change the thread to "Ronnie admits it, Schwarzennegar and Haney would beat him", although you probably do actually believe that too.
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What? How do you know? I sure don't.
How can you rage at me for apparently 'presuming' to know when he's being modest or not, then write that hypocrisy of a reply?
Shouldn't you change the thread to "Ronnie admits it, Schwarzennegar and Haney would beat him", although you probably do actually believe that too.
I'm not presuming to know anything he's said Dorian can beat him and he elaborated why which leaves nothing to speculate on like the ambiguous quote about Haney and Arnold
I know it kills you nutt-huggers that Ronnie concedes to Dorian but it doesn't change the fact , save the excuses Ronnie thinks Dorian would beat him case closed
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Why pretend 97 Ronnie was already better than the one who would later beat Levrone, Ray, Nasser etc until they all retired?! when in 97 they were all killing him?
they do this to make dorian seem better.
after all, they claim Ronnie was 95% of his 98/99 form in 97 if not better in 97 than in 98 according to some of their posts ( ::)), and dorian and 8 other people placed ahead of him.
so, according to their twisted logic, 98 ronnie would still lose to dorian and probably a few other people too..
::)
of course, the problem is, that in reality, 97 ronnie was probably only 70% of what he was to look like later on by 99..
if that.
when you are competing in the top 10 of the Olympia, that last 25% size/conditioning difference makes all the difference in the world..
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I'm not presuming to know anything he's said Dorian can beat him and he elaborated why which leaves nothing to speculate on like the ambiguous quote about Haney and Arnold
I know it kills you nutt-huggers that Ronnie concedes to Dorian but it doesn't change the fact , save the excuses Ronnie thinks Dorian would beat him case closed
Oh okay, so if he says one thing you can take it, says another you can leave it. Epic consistency.
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Oh okay, so if he says one thing you can take it, says another you can leave it. Epic consistency.
It's called context , absolutely ...the quote about Haney , Arnold was ambiguous and not definitive the others weren't
don't blame me I didn't say it Ronnie did ;)
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they do this to make dorian seem better.
after all, they claim Ronnie was 95% of his 98/99 form in 97 if not better in 97 than in 98 according to some of their posts ( ::)), and dorian and 8 other people placed ahead of him.
so, according to their twisted logic, 98 ronnie would still lose to dorian and probably a few other people too..
::)
of course, the problem is, that in reality, 97 ronnie was probably only 70% of what he was to look like later on by 99..
if that.
when you are competing in the top 10 of the Olympia, that last 25% size/conditioning difference makes all the difference in the world..
lmfao 70% you will go to any lengths to try and downplay how good he was before he won because you have to , Ronnie 1997 was Ronnie 1998 minus the gyno and awesome conditioning that's all , he admitted he came in to heavy and his conditioning suffered for it hence why he dropped to ninth , 1996 he was better conditioned and was 6th that's how it works , 1998 his conditioning was on point and he won , only because Flex was off that is ;D
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see, NarcDaisy, you underestimate the difference that 'awesome conditioning' made between 97 and 98/99
not to mention the big increase in quad and back size/thickness.
ronnie was a new man when he was winning Mr. O's...
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see, NarcDaisy, you underestimate the difference that 'awesome conditioning' made between 97 and 98/99
not to mention the big increase in quad and back size/thickness.
ronnie was a new man when he was winning Mr. O's...
I just said you moron his conditioning in 1998 was eons betterr than 97 , and back size? from 98? nope quads compared to 99 sure
all meaningless because Ronnie admits it wouldn't make a difference what year Dorian still beats him lol
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Oh okay, so if he says one thing you can take it, says another you can leave it. Epic consistency.
HypocriticDeity isn't too bright. :-\
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HypocriticDeity isn't too bright. :-\
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Thanks for playing lost puppy dog , run along now before I rub your nose in more of your own shit ;)
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First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
what does that have to do with you being inconsistent? Oh, that's right. Flower boy here thinks if he changes the subject, then other people will forget that he's a hypocrite. ;)
Thanks for playing lost puppy dog , run along now before I rub your nose in more of your own shit
hahaha, you reply to me after I was talking to someone else yet I'm the lost puppy dog? Get lost kid. You're as dumb as they come and your posts sound like the incoherent ramblings of an insecure little boy who feels he needs to somehow prove himself over an internet forum.
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what does that have to do with you being inconsistent? Oh, that's right. Flower boy here thinks if he changes the subject, then other people will forget that he's a hypocrite. ;)
hahaha, you reply to me after I was talking to someone else yet I'm the lost puppy dog? Get lost kid. You're as dumb as they come and your posts sound like the incoherent ramblings of an insecure little boy who feels he needs to somehow prove himself over an internet forum.
Keep mentioning my name moron , you prove me right all the time ;) where are YOU? you're in yet another NarcissisticDeity thread proving me right , you followed me in here bitching about scale YOU bitching about scale and jumped the gun presuming I did it and then got crushed when I didn't and now you're here again calling me a hypocrite lol
hypocrite?
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
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Keep mentioning my name moron , you prove me right all the time ;) where are YOU? you're in yet another NarcissisticDeity thread proving me right , you followed me in here bitching about scale YOU bitching about scale and jumped the gun presuming I did it and then got crushed when I didn't and now you're here again calling me a hypocrite lol
hypocrite?
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
Game Over ;D
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notice how whenever ND is incapable of winning an argument (always) he fills his posts up with crap about how people are following him around and saying his name?
you know you cant defend your position when instead of posting evidence, you post crap like that totally unrelated to the topic at hand.. ::)
I guess when you work for a flower shop, you have to get your thrills somehow hahahahaha
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Get lost kid. You're as dumb as they come and your posts sound like the incoherent ramblings of an insecure little boy who feels he needs to somehow prove himself over an internet forum.
Epic projecting your own feelings about yourself onto someone else :D
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notice how whenever ND is incapable of winning an argument (always) he fills his posts up with crap about how people are following him around and saying his name?
you know you cant defend your position when instead of posting evidence, you post crap like that totally unrelated to the topic at hand.. ::)
I guess when you work for a flower shop, you have to get your thrills somehow hahahahaha
Where are you? where is Neo? you're in a NarcissisticDeity thread totally unrelated to Ronnie Coleman bitching and moaning about how Ronnie is better lmao resorting to personal attacks because you have nothing what so ever , you're my puppy and so is Neo litt;e puppy dogs who chase me around , follow your master boy ;) you prove me right with each post.
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It's called context , absolutely ...the quote about Haney , Arnold was ambiguous and not definitive the others weren't
don't blame me I didn't say it Ronnie did ;)
"I couldn't have beat them in their hey days." says Ronnie of Schwarz, Haney et al, not exactly ambiguous. In fact it's the exact same answer to the same question you have made the title of this thread, only with other names thrown in too, thereby highlighting the actual expectation not to sound like an asshole in a public interview, hahahah silly man. Ronnie's apparently iron word of truth is suddenly not worth so much when it doesn't suit the title of your thread.
When are you gonna change the title of the other thread to "Ronnie wil say any former O could beat him when publically asked and required to appear respectful." ?
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"I couldn't have beat them in their hey days." says Ronnie of Schwarz, Haney et al, not exactly ambiguous. In fact it's the exact same answer to the same question you have made the title of this thread, only with other names thrown in too, thereby highlighting the actual expectation not to sound like an asshole in a public interview, hahahah silly man. Ronnie's apparently iron word of truth is suddenly not worth so much when it doesn't suit the title of your thread.
When are you gonna change the title of the other thread to "Ronnie wil say any former O could beat him when publically asked and required to appear respectful." ?
The ambiguous part is " come one now this is my time " where he doesn't say he would or wouldn't beat them , then goes on and gives a diplomatic answer saying he couldn't beat them in their day
See now you're reduced to making shit up , a sign you have nothing to work with ...don't fret you're in good company with Neo & HUlkster , I never once claimed Ronnie's word was ' iron word of truth ' in fact I've said many times in fact it doesn't make it true but it's his opinion no matter how much you hate it
If Ronnie said " Yeah I would beat Dorian no problem ' you nutt-huggers would be posting that in every single thread , praising how right he is , how honest ha ha ha ha and you can't so at every turn it becomes Ronnie is being humble , Ronnie was being diplomatic , Ronnie was paying homage to a past champ , and you can be like Neo and just dismiss the statement as Ronnie isn't that bright you ever hear the guy speak ::)
What's funny is he never believed Jay could beat him or anyone else just Dorian ;D
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The ambiguous part is " come one now this is my time " where he doesn't say he would or wouldn't beat them , then goes on and gives a diplomatic answer saying he couldn't beat them in their day
See now you're reduced to making shit up , a sign you have nothing to work with ...don't fret you're in good company with Neo & HUlkster , I never once claimed Ronnie's word was ' iron word of truth ' in fact I've said many times in fact it doesn't make it true but it's his opinion no matter how much you hate it
If Ronnie said " Yeah I would beat Dorian no problem ' you nutt-huggers would be posting that in every single thread , praising how right he is , how honest ha ha ha ha and you can't so at every turn it becomes Ronnie is being humble , Ronnie was being diplomatic , Ronnie was paying homage to a past champ , and you can be like Neo and just dismiss the statement as Ronnie isn't that bright you ever hear the guy speak ::)
What's funny is he never believed Jay could beat him or anyone else just Dorian ;D
Spot on - its over Dorrian wins as always ;D
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Spot on - its over Dorrian wins as always ;D
;D
Dorian wins over Ronnie 8
Ronnies wins over Dorian? 0
case closed ;D
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;D
Dorian wins over Ronnie 8
Ronnies wins over Dorian? 0
case closed ;D
Numbers dont lie ;D
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Numbers dont lie ;D
Right , Jay's wins over Ronnie 5 six if you wanna count 2001 ;D
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notice how whenever ND is incapable of winning an argument (always) he fills his posts up with crap about how people are following him around and saying his name?
you know you cant defend your position when instead of posting evidence, you post crap like that totally unrelated to the topic at hand..
exactly. I wasn't even talking to HD. I made a comment to another member and flower boy responds to me, accusing me of following him around. Go figure. He also tries to change subjects by bringing up something totally irrelevant as if we're suppose to be dumb enough to fall for it.
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Epic projecting your own feelings about yourself onto someone else
riiiiiight, I barely post on getbig yet I'm projecting while the fag who zealously defends his favorite oiled-up muscleman in trunks doesn't have any issues. ::)
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;D
Dorian wins over Ronnie 8
Ronnies wins over Dorian? 0
case closed ;D
Wow Momo Benaziza and Lee Haney both beat Dorian so I guess they are just always better than him because it's not like Dorian ever improved after those defeats is it? In fact 6 people beat Dorian at the 1985 World Games so even though they were never heard from again they will always be better than Dorian because he never got better or hit his peak years later.
It's great to know that you can take a year off from the Getbig boards and when you get back the same idiots will still be making the same retarded comments over and over again still stuck in the same rut forever, maturity ever beyond their grasp.
.........Anyway what was the point of this thread? Oh yeah another scintillating Dorian vs. thread from ND. Well Jay was certainly bigger than Dorian but I'm sure that doesn't count because ND will say it's how the muscles fit together that counts and Dorian was apparently even better than Flex Wheeler in that regard....... and ripped..... musn't forget that some people backstage once said that Dorian was the most ripped dude ever. So yeah even though the deck is stacked in Dorians favour I'm still going to vote Jay.
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Ronnie is a humble man of God
of course he would say Dorian wins
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Ronnie is a humble man of God
of course he would say Dorian wins
Humble? Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , Jay needs to be reborn with better genetics , this is humble huh? ::) a man of God huh? blasphemy dressing up like Moses , a man of God getting arrested , can you get any more wrong?
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Wow Momo Benaziza and Lee Haney both beat Dorian so I guess they are just always better than him because it's not like Dorian ever improved after those defeats is it? In fact 6 people beat Dorian at the 1985 World Games so even though they were never heard from again they will always be better than Dorian because he never got better or hit his peak years later etc etc.
It's great to know that you can take a year off from the Getbig boards and when you get back the same people will still be making the same retarded comments over and over again still stuck in the same rut forever, maturity ever beyond their grasp.
.........Anyway what was the point of this thread? Oh yeah Jay vs Dorian, well Jay was certainly bigger than Dorian but I'm sure that doesn't count because ND will say it's how the muscles fit together that counts and Dorian was apparently even better than Flex Wheeler in that regard....... and ripped..... musn't forget that some people backstage once said that Dorian was the most ripped dude ever. So yeah even though the deck is stacked in Dorians favour I'm still going to vote Jay.
Ronnie did improve , and where did he improve exactly? conditioning? Dorian wrote the book on it , size? Dorian has that as well
Dorian beat Momo after he beat him and he beat Haney in the muscularity round and would have beat him by 93 and don't blame me these idiots can't stick to the topic
ha ha ha some people backstage once said Dorian is the most ripped ever ::) and what advantage is Jay's size? at the expense of conditioning? none and Jay has pretty good balance too Jay is a good bodybuilder but not in Yates league
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Jay needs to be reborn with better genetics
haha and they say bbing has no personality ;D
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haha and they say bbing has no personality ;D
And they say he was ' humble '
being white sure helped Jay win the Olympia , another humble gem ;D
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Ronnie is a humble man of God
of course he would say Dorian wins
Humble? Jay must be on crack to think he could ever beat me , Jay needs to be reborn with better genetics , this is humble huh? ::) a man of God huh? blasphemy dressing up like Moses , a man of God getting arrested , can you get any more wrong?
Oh, shut up already you obsessive freak. Just because someone said something at one stage of their career after winning a contest once or twice doesn't mean that they are going to feel the same way after winning that same contest 8 TIMES! Or after winning more Pro shows than anyone else in history! Success of that magnitude tends to change a persons perspective you know so why don't we ask Ronnie if he still feels the same way now after the incredible career that he's had? And put this bullshit to rest once for all.
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Oh, shut up already you obsessive freak. Just because someone said something at one stage of their career after winning a contest once or twice doesn't mean that they are going to feel the same way after winning that same contest 8 TIMES! Or after winning more Pro shows than anyone else in history! Success of that magnitude tends to change a persons perspective you know so why don't we ask Ronnie if he still feels the same way now after the incredible career that he's had? And put this bullshit to rest once for all.
Man you just fucked up lol you asked for this ;D
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Booommmmmmm that's after he won an Olympia
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Booommmmm 2008 that's after he won ALL of his Olympia titles
do yourself a favor go back away for another year and them come back ;D consider the bullshit put to rest
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ronnie in 97
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ronnie in 97
That is a sick ass shot
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awesome shots where are these from?
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awesome shots where are these from?
finnish grand prix '97.
never posted on here before.
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finnish grand prix '97.
never posted on here before.
Cool he placed 3rd so much for Hulkster claiming he was 70% of himself lmao anymore?
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Cool he placed 3rd so much for Hulkster claiming he was 70% of himself lmao anymore?
1 Kevin Levrone
2 Chris Cormier
3 Ronnie Coleman
4 Nasser El Sonbaty
5 Paul Dillett
6 Vince Taylor
7 Marko Savolainen
8 Milos Sarcev
9 Lee Priest
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Man you just fucked up lol you asked for this ;D
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Booommmmmmm that's after he won an Olympia
Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
Booommmmm 2008 that's after he won ALL of his Olympia titles
do yourself a favor go back away for another year and them come back ;D
Yeah and where does he say that Dorian was better than him? His comments are almost exactly the same as Dorians own comment that the judges probably would have put Ronnie ahead of him! Because Dorian said that you know, he wasn't saying he would agree with it but that the judges would most likely have put Ronnie first.
So yeah no where did Ronnie say Dorian was better he just said that the judges would have continued to favor Dorian injuries and all the way they had for 6 years straight already, and that it's hard to knock the champion off the block. Which is a lot like Joe weiders remark after the 1980 Olympia that if it's close the judges are going to give it to the champ.
Seriously though where does he say that Dorian was better? No where that's where!
I think I'm going to need two years off after this. :P
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hahaha NarcisissticDaisy who works at the flower shop is getting owned hahahaha
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The ambiguous part is " come one now this is my time " where he doesn't say he would or wouldn't beat them , then goes on and gives a diplomatic answer saying he couldn't beat them in their day
See now you're reduced to making shit up , a sign you have nothing to work with ...don't fret you're in good company with Neo & HUlkster , I never once claimed Ronnie's word was ' iron word of truth ' in fact I've said many times in fact it doesn't make it true but it's his opinion no matter how much you hate it
If Ronnie said " Yeah I would beat Dorian no problem ' you nutt-huggers would be posting that in every single thread , praising how right he is , how honest ha ha ha ha and you can't so at every turn it becomes Ronnie is being humble , Ronnie was being diplomatic , Ronnie was paying homage to a past champ , and you can be like Neo and just dismiss the statement as Ronnie isn't that bright you ever hear the guy speak ::)
What's funny is he never believed Jay could beat him or anyone else just Dorian ;D
It was only you who said he was being diplomatic at the beginning of the above post. Then you use your own words as an indirect quote of me later in the same post, as if I alone fictioned the concept of diplomacy in an interview. Read it from start to finish, you undo yourself in one post.
You accuse me of "making shit up" because I directly quoted Ronnie's line "I couldn't have beat them in their hey days," and said it's not ambiguous, because it's not. The line "this is my time" arguably is, which I don't dispute, but does not somehow negate the rest of the interview?!?!
I only ever claimed Ronnie's word is as inadmissable as that of any non-judge. You however, are picking and choosing which bits ring true and which don't when you are not qualified to do so.
You're out of your depth here mate, and unfounded accusations are not going to get you anywhere.
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Yeah and where does he say that Dorian was better than him? His comments are almost exactly the same as Dorians own comment that the judges probably would have put Ronnie ahead of him! Because Dorian said that you know, he wasn't saying he would agree with it but that the judges would most likely have put Ronnie first.
So yeah no where did Ronnie say Dorian was better he just said that the judges would have continued to favor Dorian injuries and all the way they had for 6 years straight already, and that it's hard to knock the champion off the block. Which is a lot like Joe weiders remark after the 1980 Olympia that if it's close the judges are going to give it to the champ.
Seriously though where does he say that Dorian was better? No where that's where!
I think I'm going to need two years off after this. :P
Yeah I thought so , run along now and stop making excuses and don't presume to know what Ronnie was thinking , and Dorian said Ronnie would beat me I guess I DON'T KNOW , please show me where Ronnie said I DON'T KNOW and I'll be waiting and to play your game where does it say Dorian wasn't better? ;)
and to correct more of your nonsense Ronnie lost to Jay and Jay lost to Dexter , so much for the dynasty theory , need anything else corrected?
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It was only you who said he was being diplomatic at the beginning of the above post. Then you use your own words as an indirect quote of me later in the same post, as if I alone fictioned the concept of diplomacy in an interview. Read it from start to finish, you undo yourself in one post.
You accuse me of "making shit up" because I directly quoted Ronnie's line "I couldn't have beat them in their hey days," and said it's not ambiguous, because it's not. The line "this is my time" arguably is, which I don't dispute, but does not somehow negate the rest of the interview?!?!
I only ever claimed Ronnie's word is as inadmissable as that of any non-judge. You however, are picking and choosing which bits ring true and which don't when you are not qualified to do so.
You're out of your depth here mate, and unfounded accusations are not going to get you anywhere.
Attempting to speak for Ronnie has gotten you NO WHERE Ronnie concedes to Dorian that's the bottom line if Ronnie said Yes I would beat Dorian is word would be LAW and he didn't so his word is worthless ::)
continue with the excuses
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hahaha NarcisissticDaisy who works at the flower shop is getting owned hahahaha
Hulkster in another one of my threads trying to prove Ronnie was better and lying lol owned is right ;)
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Attempting to speak for Ronnie has gotten you NO WHERE Ronnie concedes to Dorian that's the bottom line if Ronnie said Yes I would beat Dorian is word would be LAW and he didn't so his word is worthless ::)
continue with the excuses
If you can actually articulate how I have "spoken for Ronnie" you will come off as more credible.
Does him saying it make it true?
Direct answers only.
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thanks guys for not posting in the truce thread ;D
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ND, why do you keep saying ronnie says dorian is better?
show us the quote.
he said dorian 'would win' which is totally different than being better.
winning the contest (when you don't really deserve to) is commonplace in the IFBB, (see, Yates, Dorian Mr. Olympias 94, 96 and 97)
that is NOT the same as being physically better.
the two are mutually exclusive.
ronnie knew the politics of the dorian reign as well as the rest of us did..
hence, his comment.
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ND, why do you keep saying ronnie says dorian is better?
show us the quote.
he said dorian 'would win' which is totally different than being better.
winning the contest (when you don't really deserve to) is commonplace in the IFBB, (see, Yates, Dorian Mr. Olympias 94, 96 and 97)
that is NOT the same as being physically better.
the two are mutually exclusive.
ronnie knew the politics of the dorian reign as well as the rest of us did..
hence, his comment.
ND can you help us here? Hulkster may have a valid point?
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Ronnie was better than Dorian from about 95 on, so were a lot of other guys that got the shaft from the judges. if Dorian didn't retire, and tore his OTHER bicep....they would still have give him the title in 98.
And the magazines would have said some stupid shit like "Despite numerous setbacks, Dorian again shows the heart and mettle of a true champion and guts out yet another victory,"
The last couple years of his reign were a total fucking travesty.
I think you are off base Hulkster. It's not that Ronnie improved so much, it's that once Dorian retired the guy with the best physique actually won for a change.
Rarely quote myself, but this is why Ronnie says Dorian would have kept on winning. IMO if you asked Ronnie what he REALLY thought, it would be similar
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ND, why do you keep saying ronnie says dorian is better?
show us the quote.
he said dorian 'would win' which is totally different than being better.
winning the contest (when you don't really deserve to) is commonplace in the IFBB, (see, Yates, Dorian Mr. Olympias 94, 96 and 97)
that is NOT the same as being physically better.
the two are mutually exclusive.
ronnie knew the politics of the dorian reign as well as the rest of us did..
hence, his comment.
Oh the old semantics game huh? well playing your game show me the quote where Ronnie says specifically where Dorian would win because of politics , show me where Ronnie says Dorian would only win not because he's better but because it was predetermined , spare me the semantics bullshit and once again you're reduced to SPEAKING FOR HIM
Ronnie had a lot of options on what he could say YOU want him to say it's because of politics and Ronnie knows about politics huh? playing your game 2000/2001/2002 shall I continue?
Here is a prime example of Ronnie commenting on politics
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
Ronnie could have said anything he wanted , he decided he lost because of ' politics ' Mr Humble on Jay Cutler beating him
Jay must be smoking crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
Being White sure helped Jay win the Olympia
He could have said anything , he choose that and now you're reduced to speculating what he meant , if he meant that he's obviously not shy in saying so ;)
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Let me guess he wasn't really saying Dorian was a close friend , or he's very intelligent or a great Mr Olympia , of he has the best side-chest shot and the thickest back he's ever seen LMFAO what he's really meant to say if we Hulkster-and -read-between-the-lines is Dorian was horrible and I have a better back and a better side chest LMFAO
Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90. interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.
Jim: What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?
Ronnie: Dorian would have won again.
Jim: You think so?
Ronnie: I know so. Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block. He's a big guy and has a lot going for him. He overcame so many adversities, like his torn biceps, I couldnt see too much else stopping him.
Where is the politics? I see him elaborating on why Dorian would win , he has a big physique ( muscular bulk ) hard ( Density ) he's a big guy with a lot going for him , the fact you're reduced to speaking for Ronnie shows how pathetic you guys are , Ronnie could have said a LOT of things but it doesn't change what he said that he feels Dorian would win if they shared the same stage and that's a fact no matter how fucking bad you hate it ;D ;)
This ended the Truce thread and started the trend you YOU and the other ball-lickers following me around like lost little puppies lol if Ronnie said " yeah I would beat Dorian I'm better " you guys would be shouting all over the place but you don't so cry me a river suckers ;D
I won Ronnie admits he wouldn't beat Dorian ....case closed.
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ND can you help us here? Hulkster may have a valid point?
Hulkster's never had a valid point , he'll cry Dorian is the only bodybuilder who won based on politics yet in the same breathe will actually say Ronnie dominated 2001 by losing the whole pre-judging LMFAO
The only valid point Hulkster made is when he said I was " smart " ;D
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thanks guys for not posting in the truce thread ;D
Hulkster is pissed because Ronnie ended the truce thread so he follows ME into every thread trying to prove Ronnie wrong lol
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Oh the old semantics game huh? well playing your game show me the quote where Ronnie says specifically where Dorian would win because of politics"
Hulkster doesn't need to show anything. You're the idiot who keeps claiming Ronnie said Dorian was better. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on you to back up your claim. You can't defend your stance by arguing there's no quote that explicitly says otherwise.
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Hulkster doesn't need to show anything. You're the idiot who keeps claiming Ronnie said Dorian was better. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on you to back up your claim. You can't defend your stance by arguing there's no quote that explicitly says otherwise.
You again? lmao thanks for proving my point kid.
I did back up my claim with clear cut examples of Ronnie speaking on why people beat him , if Ronnie felt that way he could have said that , and he didn't and it kills you
I crushed you and him with my stance and proved it using IFBB judges , nothings changed
Dorian would beat Ronnie because depending on the year he's bigger , harder , drier and has better balance & proportion coupled with being better at posing & presentation , that's another case that's closed kid ;) the Ronnie quotes are insult to injury
Dorian is an IFBB judge he's stated specifically he is better conditioned directly compared to Ronnie and has better balance & proportion , this is as good as it gets specifically because he and IFBB judge
and whilst on the topic of proof where the fuck is your proof Dorian wasn't harder and drier than Ronnie 2001? Oh that's right you never produced any as usual , and posting pics and saying ' see ' doesn't constitute proof A'la Hulkster , until you can get an IFBB judge to say this your opinion will be laughed at for what it is , ignorant
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Dorian is an IFBB judge he's stated specifically he is better conditioned directly compared to Ronnie and has better balance & proportion , this is as good as it gets specifically because he and IFBB judge
bwahahahahahaaha ::)
so, because dorian is an 'ifbb judge' he is therefore qualified to judge whether he himself is better?
what else do you think he is going to say? lol
man, you are so naive, first about the ronnie comment (everyone has been telling you its a direct comment on the politics for years, but you don't listen) and now this..
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based on dorian's comments compared to reality, he must be a pretty SHITTY judge!:
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dorian should have listened harder in 'judging school' lol
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ronnie is my fav mr olympia for the rest of my life, he gave so much inspiration, he's an icon.
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bwahahahahahaaha ::)
so, because dorian is an 'ifbb judge' he is therefore qualified to judge whether he himself is better?
what else do you think he is going to say? lol
man, you are so naive, first about the ronnie comment (everyone has been telling you its a direct comment on the politics for years, but you don't listen) and now this..
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based on dorian's comments compared to reality, he must be a pretty SHITTY judge!:
meltdown LMFAO pic where Ronnie's calves are waist are the same size as Dorian's is ' reality ' LMFAO
AGAIN PROVE Ronnie was talking about politics ;) come back when you do
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Ronnie at 249 pounds has the same size calves as a 260 pound Dorian and the same size waist & hips lmfao@ ' reality '
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if you had knowledge of the sport you don't need to prove anything.
after all, you think Ronnie is going give an interview and directly say "the IFBB bases its champions on politics, not physiques"?
man, are you stupid or what?
its called understanding the context of the quote
anyone with a basic understanding of english and a basic understanding of the IFBB can see this.
thats why everyone can see it and you cant
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Let's be realistic here, Ronnie won 3 Mr. O's: 98,99, and 03.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
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if you had knowledge of the sport you don't need to prove anything.
after all, you think Ronnie is going give an interview and directly say "the IFBB bases its champions on politics, not physiques"?
man, are you stupid or what?
its called understanding the context of the quote
anyone with a basic understand of english and a basic understanding of the IFBB can see this.
thats why everyone can see it and you cant
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Can you possibly be any more fucking stupid? can you? ( serious question )
THOUGHTS ON LOSING TO SCHLIERKAMP AT THE 2002 GNC SHOW OF STRENGTH:
It was nothing more than a way to create interest in the sport. No reigning Mr. Olympia had lost a show like this before. The goal was to shake things up, set the stage for a three-way battle [with Cutler and Schlierkamp] at the 2003 Mr. Olympia. There was no way in the world that I should have lost the GNC. Just look at the photos. I was victimized by the system
Opppsssssss Hulkster owned
Jay must be smoking crack to think he could ever beat me , he better be reborn with better genetics
Being White sure helped Jay win the Olympia
Oppppsssss Hulkster owned
wanna get bitch slapped some more?
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Let's be realistic here, Ronnie won 3 Mr. O's: 98,99, and 03.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc202.jpg)
no , No Hulkster the moron says only Yates did LMFAO
Flex said he won in 99 , Levrone in 00/02 , Jay in 01 , I mean shall I continue? and the sad part is Ronnie's competition wasn't as fierce as Dorian's and he had a handful with guys past their prime that Dorian killed ;D
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ND you are so simple.
the dorian quote was given years before the GNC debacle.
back then, ronnie would have never said that. Once he was a victim of it, things changed.
its all context you moron.
context. something that takes more than the ability to arrange flowers to understand.. ::)
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ND you are so simple.
the dorian quote was given years before the GNC debacle.
back then, ronnie would have never said that. Once he was a victim of it, things changed.
its all context you moron.
context. something that takes more than the ability to arrange flowers to understand.. ::)
excuses , excuses NO shit it was before 2002 a contest which he was destroyed BTW ;) more proof you're not in reality , the quote was at the 1999 Mr Olympia and the other quote was 2008 LMFAO
at the end of his career after 2002 after losing to Jay Ronnie STILL admits he couldn't beat Dorian and never a peep about politics ;D
2008 Special Ed : Ronnie of Dorian competed in 1998 would you have smoked him?
Ronnie Coleman : NO I think he would have kept on winning as long as he competed I don't think he would have lost.
you're getting bitch-slapped left and right Hulkster this is what happens when you don't have anything to work with ;)
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1993 Flex Wheeler holds up Dorian's hand and proclaims " Dorian is unbeatable "
1999 Flex Wheeler turns his back on Ronnie Coleman and proclaims he's number 1 ;D
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whats really funny is how embarasing the flex dorian pic is.
flex's arms are bigger than dorian's and he has the most awful gut/torso ever..
Ronnie lying face down on the ground (with crazy traps, delts, arms) looks better than both of them lol
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whats really funny is how embarasing the flex dorian pic is.
flex's arms are bigger than dorian's and he has the most awful gut/torso ever..
Ronnie lying face down on the ground (with crazy traps, delts, arms) looks better than both of them lol
How embarrassing for Ronnie , to claimed to be beaten by a synthol past-prime flex when he faced Dorian he claims Dorian was unbeatable and turns out he was LMFAO hey was he also speculating about politics too?
hehehehehehehe Hulkster you follow me around I will bitch-slap you again just like Dorian did to Ronnie year in and year out ;)
okay 4th of July parties are calling , this will give you plenty of time to imagine up more excuses ;D ;)
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NarcasissticDaisy is off to his Flower party hahaha
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Yeah I thought so , run along now and stop making excuses and don't presume to know what Ronnie was thinking , and Dorian said Ronnie would beat me I guess I DON'T KNOW , please show me where Ronnie said I DON'T KNOW and I'll be waiting and to play your game where does it say Dorian wasn't better? ;)
and to correct more of your nonsense Ronnie lost to Jay and Jay lost to Dexter , so much for the dynasty theory , need anything else corrected?
So I'm presuming to speak for Ronnies intentions? Huh is there oxygen on your planet? I simply pointed out that he never said Dorian was better..... no where does he say Dorian was the better bodybuilder at all.
Secondly Dorian himself said that he didn't know who would win but added the judges probably would have given it to Ronnie............ so yeah both guys made comments that pretty much mean the same goddamn thing.
And where did I imply that Ronnies comment had anything to do with IFBB wanting to maintain dynasties? At all? You are so far gone you are actually supplying your own counter arguments no matter what anyone else says.
Oh and lastly.... and let me get this straight now....... if Ronnie had of added "I guess... I don't know." as some kind of proviso to the end of his statement like Dorian did then that would have made all the difference? As if that somehow invalidates whatever he said... oh man how about this:
"I think that you (ND) are a rational, intelligent individual.......... I guess... I don't know." See I added that last bit so that you would know I was only joking, I actually think you've become unhinged after years of typing the exact same crap word for word over and over again. I mean how many times can one person type "Dorian wins even Ronnie said Dorian was better than him!" before they have to take a serious look at what their life has become? :o
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I mean how many times can one person type "Dorian wins even Ronnie said Dorian was better than him!" before they have to take a serious look at what their life has become?
how many times can one arrange the same bunch of flowers the same way? lol
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I've seen Dorian@300lbs when he was mr Olympia. I saw Ronnie in 96. I saw Jay @295lbs in 2006. All were huge. But dorian looked mean and looked like he could issue a beatdown
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yeah, more like get a beatdown: lol
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yeah, more like get a beatdown: lol
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I saw Yates in 1995
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I saw Yates in 1995
and many who have seen both ronnie and dorian say ronnie is worlds better:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=252142.0
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I acknowledge lack of direct reply. Victory feels good.