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Wouldn't that be like the US annexing latin anerica? 21 and a half million instant welfare recipients over night...
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Wouldn't that be like the US annexing latin anerica? 21 and a half million instant welfare recipients over night...
Hell no it would take decades just to de-program the crazy little fuckers.
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Wouldn't that be like the US annexing latin anerica? 21 and a half million instant welfare recipients over night...
;D ;D ;D ;D
Korea used to be one country until we got involved, kinda like west and east Germany.
I don't think there's a need to explain the US' relation to Latin America (hopefully).
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Wouldn't that be like the US annexing latin anerica? 21 and a half million instant welfare recipients over night...
ah fuck it.
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No. Most South Koreans DO NOT want North Korea to be part of the same country.
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No. Most South Koreans DO NOT want North Korea to be part of the same country.
Maybe now, but back in 2006 67% of south Koreans were in favor of reunification (source: Gallup polls):
(http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr061012i.gif)
Two thirds of the population is considered a majority.
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Maybe now, but back in 2006 67% of south Koreans were in favor of reunification (source: Gallup polls):
(http://media.gallup.com/POLL/Releases/pr061012i.gif)
Two thirds of the population is considered a majority.
In 2007 and 2008 they didn't but that shit changes all the time...
Great food and everything else sucks...
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In 2007 and 2008 they didn't but that shit changes all the time...
Great food and everything else sucks...
Makes sense, why would you want reunite with another country whose leader is building WMDs.
2006 was a pretty benign year in terms of NK warmongering.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Korea used to be one country until we got involved, kinda like west and east Germany.
I don't think there's a need to explain the US' relation to Latin America (hopefully).
Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.
And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.
The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.
You talk about reading, maybe you should try reading some history.
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Ur right Slapper...we invaded on 25 June 1950, it was the poor nKoreans who were the victims. Can u be anymore of any idiot.
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Ur right Slapper...we invaded on 25 June 1950, it was the poor nKoreans who were the victims. Can u be anymore of any idiot.
And it was only the US too.... Don't forget that.
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Waste of money, energy and lives to have ever been involved in Korea.
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Waste of money, energy and lives to have ever been involved in Korea.
And this is your expert opinion? You see the North got their fucking ass's kicked and were on the verge of being wiped out when the Chinese decided to get involved. But instead of blowing those commie bastards back to the great wall, the UN settled for an armistace.
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And this is your expert opinion? You see the North got their fucking ass's kicked and were on the verge of being wiped out when the Chinese decided to get involved. But instead of blowing those commie bastards back to the great wall, the UN settled for an armistace.
There was no need to have ever gotten involved. Totally irrelevant to the US.
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There was no need to have ever gotten involved. Totally irrelevant to the US.
Very relevant considering the spread of communism at the time and how it was perceived.
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Wouldn't that be like the US annexing latin anerica? 21 and a half million instant welfare recipients over night...
Yes of course.
Without a doubt.
There are families split up over the borders, siblings that haven't been able to see each other since the split.
It's an absolute tragedy.
So yes.
It's far beyond an economic affair.
They want to save their own people.
Look at West and East Germany.
It was never any option to keep them separated, even though the "Ossies", like the East Germans were called the first ten years, were lagging.
They are one nation.
My guess that sense is even stronger with the South Koreans and the NK's.
Those people have been held under a tyranny.
I'm sure South Korea will do anything to secure the future of a unified Korea.
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Very relevant considering the spread of communism at the time and how it was perceived.
Cold War=generally speaking, hyped up beyond all measure...
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Cold War=generally speaking, hyped up beyond all measure...
Then show me how it was hyped, just because you say it doesn't make it so.
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Cold War=generally speaking, hyped up beyond all measure...
I'm sure in some respects it was. However, the threat of the spread of communism was sufficient enough to justify containment.
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I'm sure in some respects it was. However, the threat of the spread of communism was sufficient enough to justify containment.
Don't open up this can of worms Ozmo... :-\
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Yes of course.
Without a doubt.
There are families split up over the borders, siblings that haven't been able to see each other since the split.
It's an absolute tragedy.
So yes.
It's far beyond an economic affair.
They want to save their own people.
Look at West and East Germany.
It was never any option to keep them separated, even though the "Ossies", like the East Germans were called the first ten years, were lagging.
They are one nation.
My guess that sense is even stronger with the South Koreans and the NK's.
Those people have been held under a tyranny.
I'm sure South Korea will do anything to secure the future of a unified Korea.
Dude, that does not matter one bit because it doesn't happen to them.
That is why 9/11 was such a "surprise", because someone exported something we happily exported for many years: Violence.
You can hide it under any pretense, be it that we're exporting democracy, making sure they do not fire missiles at us, et cetera; but these assholes can't see human suffering as such because it hasn't happened to them.
And yes, it does help if the ones we're putting the heat on are dark-skinned. Our fascists like that.
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Yes of course.
Without a doubt.
There are families split up over the borders, siblings that haven't been able to see each other since the split.
It's an absolute tragedy.
So yes.
It's far beyond an economic affair.
They want to save their own people.
Look at West and East Germany.
It was never any option to keep them separated, even though the "Ossies", like the East Germans were called the first ten years, were lagging.
They are one nation.
My guess that sense is even stronger with the South Koreans and the NK's.
Those people have been held under a tyranny.
I'm sure South Korea will do anything to secure the future of a unified Korea.
Germany, one nation? If you only knew Igelkott...
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Don't open up this can of worms Ozmo... :-\
briefly, where are you going with this ?
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briefly, where are you going with this ?
I don't want to spend hours on getbig talking about Cold War revisionism but 'Containment' is nothing more than a concoction feeding something else...
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I don't want to spend hours on getbig talking about Cold War revisionism but 'Containment' is nothing more than a concoction feeding something else...
figures
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Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.
Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.
And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.
I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.
The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.
I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because some white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.
You talk about reading, maybe you should try reading some history.
PLEASE!
AS IF!
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Ur right Slapper...we invaded on 25 June 1950, it was the poor nKoreans who were the victims. Can u be anymore of any idiot.
Say something! That's all you do, you read my post, drop an idiotic response based on something you're misinterpreted as well as the usual insult and then... that's it.
You're something, you!!
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Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.
I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.
I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because you white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.
PLEASE!
AS IF!
Good stuff...
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Very relevant considering the spread of communism at the time and how it was perceived.
Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?
To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?
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Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?
To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?
Convengo con te absolutemente.
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Don't open up this can of worms Ozmo... :-\
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Read what Slapper said...
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Never mind the simple fact that in getting rid of the "threat" of communism would require us to basically not observe other countries' sovereignty, which we didn't by the way (one can only imagine what would happen to such trigger-happy attitudes if the tables were turned), how did the US government stopping the spread of communism help you personally? Did it get you a car? A blowjob? A Russian bride?
To who's benefit was it that communism be "stopped"?
How didn't we observe the NK's sovereignty when they invaded SK?
And how did stopping communism help me personally and to who's benefit is it? The more communism there is in the world the less productive, free and progressive the world is. For me personally a stronger USA, because of the fall of communism, has allowed me a better standard of life and a safer one. If communism doesn't fall, we are still in a cold war with nukes aimed at each other 24/7.
Yes, America is no saint. We did some shady shit in the cold war. But did we launch a preemptive invasion into NK like we did in Iraq? No.
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Read what Slapper said...
Slapper didn't say anything. He deferred from topic.
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No. Most South Koreans DO NOT want North Korea to be part of the same country.
yes they do
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Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.
And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.
The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.
You talk about reading, maybe you should try reading some history.
thanks for setting these guys straight before I had to
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Say something! That's all you do, you read my post, drop an idiotic response based on something you're misinterpreted as well as the usual insult and then... that's it.
You're something, you!!
Say something. Ur a retard with zero grasp of history, foreign relations, US foreign policy or how anything beyond ur liberal hate America drivel. I have yet to see u debate any topic on here with facts or an original thought. Ur worthless.
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There was no need to have ever gotten involved. Totally irrelevant to the US.
uh...no..not true....by the U.S. getting involved it stopped the advance of communism which had a lot of momentum back then.....had the U.S. not gotten involved, all of the pacific Basin would be communist today and hostile toward us...like singapore, south Korea, thailand, Indonesia, etc.....instead, those countries are democracies and friendly toward us to today...
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Really Korea was just sitting there minding it's own buisness and America split them in two? The North went communist and attacked the south, and for your information in was the UN, not just America that was involved in the war.
And I suppose that America went in there and just split Berlin in half as it was minding it's own buisness. Who do you think built the Berlin wall? Here is a hint THE RUSSIANS. You see they were just taking over most of eastern europe at the time, maybe he US should have just packed up and left and let the Russians take all of europe, not such a good idea.
The thing that all you seem to forget was there was this thing called the COLD WAR going on, and as far as Latin America is concerned do you really think the United States was going to let the communist get a foot hold in this hemisphere? Hell WWIII almost started over Cuba and Russian ICBM's.
You talk about reading, maybe you should try reading some history.
Korea, Vietnam, and possibly Iraq--notice a trend here. When the US gets involved things tend to split up...
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And this is your expert opinion? You see the North got their fucking ass's kicked and were on the verge of being wiped out when the Chinese decided to get involved. But instead of blowing those commie bastards back to the great wall, the UN settled for an armistace.
all true
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Dude, that does not matter one bit because it doesn't happen to them.
That is why 9/11 was such a "surprise", because someone exported something we happily exported for many years: Violence.
You can hide it under any pretense, be it that we're exporting democracy, making sure they do not fire missiles at us, et cetera; but these assholes can't see human suffering as such because it hasn't happened to them.
And yes, it does help if the ones we're putting the heat on are dark-skinned. Our fascists like that.
you're out of your mind
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I don't want to spend hours on getbig talking about Cold War revisionism but 'Containment' is nothing more than a concoction feeding something else...
This is the best thing you've said so far because you are a wacko and don't know what you are talking about
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thanks for setting these guys straight before I had to
Hey Slapper when u were u last in S Korea. They know full well what unification means...full well and as good asians, they're preparing for it. They have the benefit of watching what happened in East Germany. But facts and opinion based on experience are well beyond ur limited comprehension.
These guys all hate this country, they have some bizarre notion that life would be better without the US. Do u idiots know how mnat was we've avoided by just being in that region or anywhere. Would Japan be an economic powerhouse? This thread has become retarded.
Ok Slapper....u've seen humans suffering...u have no fucking idea what human suffering is...none. But i tell u what toughguy.....come on over to Iraq. Enlist, join the peace corp.....we'll also try and get u a history lesson as well.
Deicide hates koreans....
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Well, yeeeeah! What's new? North Korea (the commies) were going to invade the south anyway. Had we let the north invade the south it would've all been a happy or unhappy country, whatever the Koreans wanted to do, we would've avoided getting into someone else's internal affairs, thousands of American lives would've been spared and the 38th parallel would've ceased to exist. Seem simple and rational.
I believe we were invited into WWII, while no one called us into the Korean War. The later was just outright aggression as described in the UN charters.
I don't give a shit about what the US government (which you confuse with the United States) wanted to do. There are rules in this game of life. You attack, I defend, or viceversa. It's not OK for our government to run amok and bomb 2 million souls out of existence because some white asshole decides that another group of brown-skinned people want to become communists. How is that a friggin threat to you and me?? Please explain it to me. Life is not about what the US government decides. You do not kill innocent civilians. P-E-R-I-O-D. Even if the males all want to go gay or the population want to live under communist rule or watch reruns of Dallas for the rest of their life. It's their business. Do you know what that is called? Sovereignty. Something we've wiped our asses with for the past 60 years.
PLEASE!
AS IF!
uhhh..no....we were not invited....war was declared on us by the Japanese and by Hitler....get it straight
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Liberal bullshit at its finest. ::)
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Korea, Vietnam, and possibly Iraq--notice a trend here. When the US gets involved things tend to split up...
not true......these countries were already split...hence thats why they engaged in civil wars.....and anyway, the britsh, french, and japanese did more to split countries than anyone
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We've been cleaning up post colonial messes for the last 60 years.
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How didn't we observe the NK's sovereignty when they invaded SK?
We didn't... yet. I was talking about the spread of communism as the blank check that was given to American foreign policy "hawks" to run amok, even using the government against its own citizens (see McCarthyism) and other countries (see VietNam, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, et cetera). Worry not though because our obedient military is doing, right as we speak, the work of Satan himself, trying to provoke NK into an armed conflict. Right now there are Japanese spy planes (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFoJSL1TdsqcmxTABYNX3ENr1_TwD9931FKG1) flying over NK taking pics UNINVITED, meaning in clear violation of NK's territorial sovereignty, all being done for the benefit of the you-know-who.
Having said this, I do not think there was ever an invitation from the South Korean people for us to go in there and help them. The entire conflict was cooked up by the UN, approving yet another illegitimate war, one that wouldn't have been approved had the soviets been present to veto the vote to go to war (probably because they were involved in the war too-more assholes). I mean Korea was split up not by popular support, but by forceful action from a second actor. When the war ended, the sane thing to do would've been to carry out elections in South and North Korea. The UN, inexplicably, decided to only carry out a plebiscite to select a South Korean president, so the question of national identity was KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY avoided so as to create tension (much like Iraq nowadays and it being an "artificial" country: The Kurds are the Kurds and have always been the Kurds; the Shiites want their own territory and so do the Sunnis, meaning the country we now know as Iraq is only held together only by the American presence). This question is still on the fucking table. The majority of North and South Koreans want a united country. Somehow the UN can't come up with the chops to make that happen. Why? No idea. ::) ::) Is this type of stuff that creates the Kim-Jong Ils of this world? You betcha!
And how did stopping communism help me personally and to who's benefit is it? The more communism there is in the world the less productive, free and progressive the world is.
My question is: How did the war on Communism help YOU personally? Whether the world is "less productive, free and progressive the world is", which is not true by the way, is irrelevant. I am talking about your personal benefit.
For me personally a stronger USA, because of the fall of communism, has allowed me a better standard of life and a safer one. If communism doesn't fall, we are still in a cold war with nukes aimed at each other 24/7.
How has the fall of communism allowed you a better standard of life? Give me specifics. Off the top of my head... one of the greatest economic periods in American history is that from the end of WWII and 1970, when 1 person used to make enough money to buy a house, start a family, put that family through college and enjoy nice vacations overseas thanks to our overvalued currency. Fast forward to today. How can you make such an absurd statement? Furthermore, you keep referring to be living a in safer USA now that communism is gone... yet not too long ago, and for the first time in American history, since God knows when, the US territory was actually attacked. Note:The communist "threat" gone at this point. Moreover, 95% of Muslim radicals want to attack it again and again. So does North Korea and Iran and some other countries.
Yes, America is no saint. We did some shady shit in the cold war. But did we launch a preemptive invasion into NK like we did in Iraq? No.
The Korean War wasn't even approved by Congress dude. There wasn't even a Declaration of War. The whole fucking conflict was carried out like a mob hit. Unfortunately wars kill innocent civilians. Mobsters don't.
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Worry not though because our obedient military is doing, right as we speak, the work of Satan himself, trying to provoke NK into an armed conflict. Right now there are Japanese spy planes (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFoJSL1TdsqcmxTABYNX3ENr1_TwD9931FKG1) flying over NK taking pics UNINVITED, meaning in clear violation of NK's territorial sovereignty, all being done for the benefit of the you-know-who.
Why shouldn't there be Japanese spy planes looking at NK? They've made a number of reckless threats lately. They are a repressive communist dictatorship who are acquiring nuclear weapons who just happen to a stones throw form Japan and you are questioning Japan's actions? ::) You are actually citing "sovereignty" when the country in question is launching long range missiles getting nukes and has the human rights track record it has? THANK GOD people like you don't run things otherwise we'd have been invaded and speaking russian long ago.
We didn't... yet. I was talking about the spread of communism as the blank check that was given to American foreign policy "hawks" to run amok, even using the government against its own citizens (see McCarthyism) and other countries (see VietNam, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, et cetera).
Exactly. It went too far and corrected itself regarding McCarthism. I told you we weren't saints. It's unfortunate we did what we did to prevent the spread of communism.
Having said this, I do not think there was ever an invitation from the South Korean people for us to go in there and help them.
Really now? So the democratically elected government and its people just wanted to be taken over by the communists? It was Ok for them to invade a sovereign country? You seem to use "sovereignty card" very conveniently.
The entire conflict was cooked up by the UN, approving yet another illegitimate war, one that wouldn't have been approved had the soviets been present to veto the vote to go to war (probably because they were involved in the war too-more assholes).
It was huh? The UN invaded a soveriegn country (SK)?
I mean Korea was split up not by popular support, but by forceful action from a second actor. When the war ended, the sane thing to do would've been to carry out elections in South and North Korea. The UN, inexplicably, decided to only carry out a plebiscite to select a South Korean president, so the question of national identity was KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY avoided so as to create tension (much like Iraq nowadays and it being an "artificial" country: The Kurds are the Kurds and have always been the Kurds; the Shiites want their own territory and so do the Sunnis, meaning the country we now know as Iraq is only held together only by the American presence). This question is still on the fucking table. The majority of North and South Koreans want a united country.
Yeah, they'd love to be one country. That much is true. However, they'd like to be one free democratic country. NOT one repressed staving country ruled by a twisted dictator.
Somehow the UN can't come up with the chops to make that happen. Why? No idea. ::) ::) Is this type of stuff that creates the Kim-Jong Ils of this world? You betcha!
Actually it probably wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for McArthur's arrogance.
My question is: How did the war on Communism help YOU personally? Whether the world is "less productive, free and progressive the world is", which is not true by the way, is irrelevant. I am talking about your personal benefit.
If the world is less progressive, less free, less productive, OUR standard of living here in the USA will diminish. Capitalism, with regulation, IS progressive. If communism did flourish it would have affected this country thus affecting me and you.
How has the fall of communism allowed you a better standard of life? Give me specifics. Off the top of my head... one of the greatest economic periods in American history is that from the end of WWII and 1970, when 1 person used to make enough money to buy a house, start a family, put that family through college and enjoy nice vacations overseas thanks to our overvalued currency. Fast forward to today. How can you make such an absurd statement? Furthermore, you keep referring to be living a in safer USA now that communism is gone... yet not too long ago, and for the first time in American history, since God knows when, the US territory was actually attacked. Note:The communist "threat" gone at this point. Moreover, 95% of Muslim radicals want to attack it again and again. So does North Korea and Iran and some other countries.
How old are you Slapper? I'm not asking this to be condescending or insulting. I grew up and was an adult during the cold war. It's not a good feeling knowing that at any minute i might be vaporized and 100's of millions of people might die. (I live by a air force base) I agree with the first part of your paragraph. But that's not because communism existed back then and now that it doesn't things aren't as good.
The Korean War wasn't even approved by Congress dude. There wasn't even a Declaration of War. The whole fucking conflict was carried out like a mob hit. Unfortunately wars kill innocent civilians. Mobsters don't.
Iraq was more like a mob hit because we invaded it. Who invaded and started the Korean war? You have a very poor argument here.
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All his arguments are all poor....history has turned out pretty damm well. More whining lib bullshit. First CT concerning the Korean war...douchbags must be bored.
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End of the day, yes, on some level Koreans want a united country, but do they want to deal with 20+million refugees and the consequences of that? No.
Moreover most Koreans are about as politcally/intellectually/geographically astute as your resident of Topeka, Kansas so I reckon in my experience that most Koreans just care about smoking, eating and making money and couldn't care less about politics.
Insular, angsty, strange people...
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Hey Slapper when u were u last in S Korea. They know full well what unification means...full well and as good asians, they're preparing for it. They have the benefit of watching what happened in East Germany. But facts and opinion based on experience are well beyond ur limited comprehension.
I don't know what you're trying to tell me... I know what I know from opinion polls of South Koreans, and those polls do say that a majority (close to 70%) want reunification.
These guys all hate this country, they have some bizarre notion that life would be better without the US. Do u idiots know how mnat was we've avoided by just being in that region or anywhere. Would Japan be an economic powerhouse? This thread has become retarded.
It's not even about life being better without the US... it's about right and wrong. If you feel another country getting into your internal affairs and invading your territory is wrong... then maybe you shouldn't do it.
Ok Slapper....u've seen humans suffering...u have no fucking idea what human suffering is...none. But i tell u what toughguy.....come on over to Iraq. Enlist, join the peace corp.....we'll also try and get u a history lesson as well.
Hate to break it to you macho man but all humans know suffering. And I don't need to go to Iraq to fullfill some corporate agenda to do that. Your suffering over there is entirely YOUR own doing. You're certainly not sacrificing anything for me. I'm fighting for you to come home and spend time raising your kids and taking care of your wife, THAT is your sacrifice.
Take care.
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uhhh..no....we were not invited....war was declared on us by the Japanese and by Hitler....get it straight
That's precisely what I am saying: The US getting into WWII was legitimized by Hitler declaring war on us and the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor.
No one can deny we had a universal right to defend ourselves.
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That's precisely what I am saying: The US getting into WWII was legitimized by Hitler declaring war on us and the Japanese attack on Pear Harbor.
No one can deny we had a universal right to defend ourselves.
Youz a us hatin' evil lib...! ;D
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Why shouldn't there be Japanese spy planes looking at NK?
Because in doing so you are violating their air space, hence violating their territorial sovereignty, hence an Act of War. Imagine NK were doing the same thing over Japan and the US. The Japanese are now scared shitless because their granpas did crazy stuff all over Asia (kill 6 million people) and now Kim Jong-Il wants to return the "favor". Let's not forget the Japanese put the Koreans in concentration camps and just outright slaughtered them during WWII and even before. So there is a lot of hate that is going to boil over some day.
They've made a number of reckless threats lately.
If you are defending yourself it is not a threat, it is a warning. Obama saying that it will take military action against NK is a threat. If you're flying planes over sovereign territories you are breaking International Law (again, as observed by the UN). If the representatives of those countries tell you to stop doing so or it will take action against them it will be deemed a defensive action and there is nothing the UN can say about it because it is in their own charters.
They are a repressive communist dictatorship who are acquiring nuclear weapons who just happen to a stones throw form Japan and you are questioning Japan's actions?
No, I am questioning everyone's actions, now and in the past. If you break the laws do not fucking complaint when one (or both) of the sides goes apes and decides to build WMDs. The laws are supposed to be the same for everyone.
You are actually citing "sovereignty" when the country in question is launching long range missiles getting nukes and has the human rights track record it has? THANK GOD people like you don't run things otherwise we'd have been invaded and speaking russian long ago.
But that's not reason enough to go into any country. Our human rights record is not the best or worst in the world. We've acquired a stockpile of WMDs Attila and Genghis Khan would drool over in envy. Does it give anyone the right to attack the US? No.
Exactly. It went too far and corrected itself regarding McCarthyism. I told you we weren't saints. It's unfortunate we did what we did to prevent the spread of communism.
"Corrected itself"??? ;D ;D ;D ;D Got some balls. Dude (McCarthy) wipes his ass with the Constitution, begins a persecution of US citizens based on political affiliation and this guy says it "corrected itself". Talk about fucking painting the Mona Lisa with your index finger.
Really now? So the democratically elected government and its people just wanted to be taken over by the communists? It was OK for them to invade a sovereign country? You seem to use "sovereignty card" very conveniently.
No, I'm saying the puppet regime may have wanted the US there, but the South Koreans didn't. Look at what WikiPedia has to say about South Korean's affiliation and willingness to fight for your "democratic" regime: "Within days, South Korean forces, often of dubious loyalty to the Southern regime, were in full retreat or defecting en masse to the North.[...]Many of these South Koreans later fought for North Korea. Many South Koreans deserted after the battle. However, North Korea's hope for a quick surrender by the Rhee government and the reunification of the peninsula evaporated when the United States and other foreign powers intervened with UN approval.". Dude, it tool the NKs days to get in Seoul. The Rhee regime (American puppet) had very, very little popular support. So, at most, you had a dictatorial regime, that of Rhee, which had very little popular support, asking a foreign power to intervene to keep him in power. The NK army cannot be considered foreign if your soldiers have no qualms whatsoever about jumping the line and fight for the other side.
It was huh? The UN invaded a sovereign country (SK)?
Yes, the UN sanctioned/approved the war. The UN was a much pro-capitalist body of power back then. The Soviets were in full boycott mode at the time and inexplicably chose not to veto the UN's act of war against North Korea. Had the Soviets vetoed the act of war there wouldn't have been a war.
Yeah, they'd love to be one country. That much is true. However, they'd like to be one free democratic country. NOT one repressed staving country ruled by a twisted dictator.
Yes, this we agree on, but that is a decision North and South Koreans have to make without US or Russian or Japanese involvement. The only thing standing in between Korean reunification nowadays, INEXPLICABLY, is the UN.
If the world is less progressive, less free, less productive, OUR standard of living here in the USA will diminish. Capitalism, with regulation, IS progressive. If communism did flourish it would have affected this country thus affecting me and you.
History proves you wrong dude. Our economic prosperity (which is what I think you keep referring to when talking about standard of living) was much better while totalitarian communism was around and got progressively worse when communism (almost) dissappeared. So... technically you still haven't answered the question. Please do. How did you benefit personally from the fall of "communism"?
How old are you Slapper? I'm not asking this to be condescending or insulting. I grew up and was an adult during the cold war. It's not a good feeling knowing that at any minute i might be vaporized and 100's of millions of people might die. (I live by a air force base) I agree with the first part of your paragraph. But that's not because communism existed back then and now that it doesn't things aren't as good.
I'm in my early 30s. That's OK. You are free to feel whatever you want. You live in a (sort of) free country. I choose to worry about more mundane things like getting run over by a car, getting a heart attack or not being able to pay my mortgage. I understand you rather worry about enemies far away and all, and like I said, you have a right to. However, I do have an issue when that very same irrational fear of the unknown somehow percolates into my government's foreign policy though.
Iraq was more like a mob hit because we invaded it. Who invaded and started the Korean war? You have a very poor argument here.
Well, at least you do use the word "invade". That's a start. As far as the Korean War goes... yes, I too agree with you on this! It's not that NK did nothing wrong when it invaded SK. It did... sort of. It's the US INVOLVEMENT in the war I do not understand. I do not friggin get why our government must be the one running out toward an armed conflict as though it is our business to mess around everyone else's internal affairs.
North and South Korea are the same country. They've been trying to reunite ever since they got split apart. It's external actors, external forces, that keep preventing that from happening. Am I making sense?
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Can u not remotely comprehend how a communist take-over of the world would affect the US. Thats the base line argument and if u cannot fathom the ramifications of that, then the debate is pretty much over. As far as the the Korean War goes....ask ur average South Korean how he feels about the North and what the US troops did for that country. Maybe u ought to just stick to ur morgage and crossing the street.
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Can u not remotely comprehend how a communist take-over of the world would affect the US.
Do you HONESTLY believe the communists would've been able to take over the entire world? I am sick and tired of pseudo-preachers like yourself walking around insinuating that it's OK for you to do all the thinking for me. IT IS NOT. What was then communism is now Islam and in a couple decades, if we're still The Superpower, it will be something else.
I don't worry about communism or Islam or any invented evil empires precisely because there are BIGGER and WORSE problems here in the USA from which I am most likely to die from. Like I said, I worry about getting shot in a robbery. I worry about not getting hit by a drunk driver. I worry about getting a heart attack. I worry about losing my home or job. That is the realistic SHIT I like to worry about. Not some far away enemy that only a handfull of "visionaries" choose as the victim du jour.
Thats the base line argument and if u cannot fathom the ramifications of that, then the debate is pretty much over.
I don't know what the ramifications of that would be. And I don't give a shit about those ramifications. And you insinuating that you do know tells me YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
As far as the the Korean War goes....ask ur average South Korean how he feels about the North and what the US troops did for that country. Maybe u ought to just stick to ur morgage and crossing the street.
Just because South Koreans want to avoid reunification under Kim Jong-Il does not mean they do not want to reunite both countries under 1 banner. I posted two graphs from a gallup poll on the subject and you must have missed them as usual. Yes, SK wants us there to avoid another war with the likes of KJI, but they also want to reunite with NK. It's a trade-off SK has been able to put up with. NK obviously hasn't.
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We didn't... yet. I was talking about the spread of communism as the blank check that was given to American foreign policy "hawks" to run amok, even using the government against its own citizens (see McCarthyism) and other countries (see VietNam, Nicaragua, Laos, Cambodia, et cetera). Worry not though because our obedient military is doing, right as we speak, the work of Satan himself, trying to provoke NK into an armed conflict. Right now there are Japanese spy planes (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFoJSL1TdsqcmxTABYNX3ENr1_TwD9931FKG1) flying over NK taking pics UNINVITED, meaning in clear violation of NK's territorial sovereignty, all being done for the benefit of the you-know-who.
Having said this, I do not think there was ever an invitation from the South Korean people for us to go in there and help them. The entire conflict was cooked up by the UN, approving yet another illegitimate war, one that wouldn't have been approved had the soviets been present to veto the vote to go to war (probably because they were involved in the war too-more assholes). I mean Korea was split up not by popular support, but by forceful action from a second actor. When the war ended, the sane thing to do would've been to carry out elections in South and North Korea. The UN, inexplicably, decided to only carry out a plebiscite to select a South Korean president, so the question of national identity was KNOWINGLY and PURPOSELY avoided so as to create tension (much like Iraq nowadays and it being an "artificial" country: The Kurds are the Kurds and have always been the Kurds; the Shiites want their own territory and so do the Sunnis, meaning the country we now know as Iraq is only held together only by the American presence). This question is still on the fucking table. The majority of North and South Koreans want a united country. Somehow the UN can't come up with the chops to make that happen. Why? No idea. ::) ::) Is this type of stuff that creates the Kim-Jong Ils of this world? You betcha!
My question is: How did the war on Communism help YOU personally? Whether the world is "less productive, free and progressive the world is", which is not true by the way, is irrelevant. I am talking about your personal benefit.
How has the fall of communism allowed you a better standard of life? Give me specifics. Off the top of my head... one of the greatest economic periods in American history is that from the end of WWII and 1970, when 1 person used to make enough money to buy a house, start a family, put that family through college and enjoy nice vacations overseas thanks to our overvalued currency. Fast forward to today. How can you make such an absurd statement? Furthermore, you keep referring to be living a in safer USA now that communism is gone... yet not too long ago, and for the first time in American history, since God knows when, the US territory was actually attacked. Note:The communist "threat" gone at this point. Moreover, 95% of Muslim radicals want to attack it again and again. So does North Korea and Iran and some other countries.
The Korean War wasn't even approved by Congress dude. There wasn't even a Declaration of War. The whole fucking conflict was carried out like a mob hit. Unfortunately wars kill innocent civilians. Mobsters don't.
WOW....all of this is so dumb I don't even know where to begin..you have so much wrong here I am actually speechless and unable to provide a rebuttal since it would be about three pages long
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WOW....all of this is so dumb I don't even know where to begin..you have so much wrong here I am actually speechless and unable to provide a rebuttal since it would be about three pages long
You don't need to say anything buddy.
I understand.
;) ::)
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Got things to do.
I'll see (break your balls) you guys next Friday.
C-ya.
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Because in doing so you are violating their air space, hence violating their territorial sovereignty, hence an Act of War. Imagine NK were doing the same thing over Japan and the US. The Japanese are now scared shitless because their granpas did crazy stuff all over Asia (kill 6 million people) and now Kim Jong-Il wants to return the "favor". Let's not forget the Japanese put the Koreans in concentration camps and just outright slaughtered them during WWII and even before. So there is a lot of hate that is going to boil over some day.
When a neighboring country with a repressive toleration dictator at the helm acquires nuclear launch capabilities makes wild threats you do what's necessary to protect your country which includes spying and violating their airspace. You don't hide behind bull crap like "Act of War" to justify your pure ideals. "Act of War" is subjective to the countries involved. Their "historical hate" is dying of old age and is irrelevant both morally and ethically; no different than Blacks in the USA demanding entitlement for slavery in the 1800's
If you are defending yourself it is not a threat, it is a warning. Obama saying that it will take military action against NK is a threat. If you're flying planes over sovereign territories you are breaking International Law (again, as observed by the UN). If the representatives of those countries tell you to stop doing so or it will take action against them it will be deemed a defensive action and there is nothing the UN can say about it because it is in their own charters.
Not at all. Not when the country in question has basically thumbed their nose at the international community and has made reckless threats with nuclear weapons.
By the way, which Japanese planes are flying over NK airspace?
No, I am questioning everyone's actions, now and in the past. If you break the laws do not fucking complaint when one (or both) of the sides goes apes and decides to build WMDs. The laws are supposed to be the same for everyone.
But that's not reason enough to go into any country. Our human rights record is not the best or worst in the world. We've acquired a stockpile of WMDs Attila and Genghis Khan would drool over in envy. Does it give anyone the right to attack the US? No.
If NK was smart, they wouldn't have made any threats at all. They have every right IMO to get nukes, It's unstoppable anyway.
"Corrected itself"??? ;D ;D ;D ;D Got some balls. Dude (McCarthy) wipes his ass with the Constitution, begins a persecution of US citizens based on political affiliation and this guy says it "corrected itself". Talk about fucking painting the Mona Lisa with your index finger.
Are we having commy which hunts today? Our system corrected itself.
No, I'm saying the puppet regime may have wanted the US there, but the South Koreans didn't. Look at what WikiPedia has to say about South Korean's affiliation and willingness to fight for your "democratic" regime: "Within days, South Korean forces, often of dubious loyalty to the Southern regime, were in full retreat or defecting en masse to the North.[...]Many of these South Koreans later fought for North Korea. Many South Koreans deserted after the battle. However, North Korea's hope for a quick surrender by the Rhee government and the reunification of the peninsula evaporated when the United States and other foreign powers intervened with UN approval.". Dude, it tool the NKs days to get in Seoul. The Rhee regime (American puppet) had very, very little popular support. So, at most, you had a dictatorial regime, that of Rhee, which had very little popular support, asking a foreign power to intervene to keep him in power. The NK army cannot be considered foreign if your soldiers have no qualms whatsoever about jumping the line and fight for the other side.
Are you telling me all S. Koreans wanted to be communists?
Yes, the UN sanctioned/approved the war. The UN was a much pro-capitalist body of power back then. The Soviets were in full boycott mode at the time and inexplicably chose not to veto the UN's act of war against North Korea. Had the Soviets vetoed the act of war there wouldn't have been a war.
Yeah, exactly, because most of the world didn't want to be communists. Communism doesn't work.
Yes, this we agree on, but that is a decision North and South Koreans have to make without US or Russian or Japanese involvement. The only thing standing in between Korean reunification nowadays, INEXPLICABLY, is the UN.
No. The only thing standing between them is Kim Jong Ill.
History proves you wrong dude. Our economic prosperity (which is what I think you keep referring to when talking about standard of living) was much better while totalitarian communism was around and got progressively worse when communism (almost) dissappeared. So... technically you still haven't answered the question. Please do. How did you benefit personally from the fall of "communism"?
I've explained it already. Also, you keep using false logic blaming our present economic woes on the absence of communism. We were doing wonderfully under Clinton who had the first 8 years after the fall. Bush screwed it up.
I'm in my early 30s. That's OK. You are free to feel whatever you want. You live in a (sort of) free country. I choose to worry about more mundane things like getting run over by a car, getting a heart attack or not being able to pay my mortgage. I understand you rather worry about enemies far away and all, and like I said, you have a right to. However, I do have an issue when that very same irrational fear of the unknown somehow percolates into my government's foreign policy though.
i worry about many of the same things, and agree, we are in a free country sort of. Right now, what worries me is the unpredictability of NK and what they may do with their WMD's. Not from NK itself, but ME and terrorist entities it may support under the table.
Well, at least you do use the word "invade". That's a start. As far as the Korean War goes... yes, I too agree with you on this! It's not that NK did nothing wrong when it invaded SK. It did... sort of. It's the US INVOLVEMENT in the war I do not understand. I do not friggin get why our government must be the one running out toward an armed conflict as though it is our business to mess around everyone else's internal affairs.
I agree. However at the time it was prudent. And we got UN involvement which was good too.
North and South Korea are the same country. They've been trying to reunite ever since they got split apart. It's external actors, external forces, that keep preventing that from happening. Am I making sense?
Yes and No. They have been trying to unite, but Kim Jong Ill is NOT going to give up it's power. for them to Unite they (NK) must embrace democracy first.
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UN involvment....The Brits. They actually fought some major battles. Slapper is a lib who can't fathom anthing beyond his lib ideology.
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UN involvment....The Brits. They actually fought some major battles. Slapper is a lib who can't fathom anthing beyond his lib ideology.
i don't understand how he can call the Korean war a UN mob hit when NK is the one who invaded SK and the UN responded to it.
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Well O he's an idiot. The UN barely had their shit together in 1950.
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i don't understand how he can call the Korean war a UN mob hit when NK is the one who invaded SK and the UN responded to it.
It was a waste of American lives and resources getting involved in that muck. But there are lots of examples of that. The USA was not attacked by N.Korea, ergo the total lack of need to be involved.
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It was a waste of American lives and resources getting involved in that muck. But there are lots of examples of that. The USA was not attacked by N.Korea, ergo the total lack of need to be involved.
Sure, that can be debated. But to say it was a UN Mob hit, when it was NK that attacked and invaded is completely off base.
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Sure, that can be debated. But to say it was a UN Mob hit, when it was NK that attacked and invaded is completely off base.
I didn't argue that point.
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Ok so what happens to the US economy if we're surrounded by commies....thats just one 2nd order effect.
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Ok so what happens to the US economy if we're surrounded by commies....thats just one 2nd order effect.
That is an unnecessary presupposition. 'Domino Theory' was just a vindication for the MIC to do what it wanted to and had very little ideology behind it. Even if it were true, there is the issue of sovereignty. We don't but should respect choices made by other nations.
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That is an unnecessary presupposition. 'Domino Theory' was just a vindication for the MIC to do what it wanted to and had very little ideology behind it. Even if it were true, there is the issue of sovereignty. We don't but should respect choices made by other nations.
We don't have to 'respect' shit if it isn't in our best interests.
What's the point of being #1 if you're gonna be a total pussy about everything?
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We don't have to 'respect' shit if it isn't in our best interests.
What's the point of being #1 if you're gonna be a total pussy about everything?
#1 in what?
we're #1 in military. Are we still #1 in terms of economics? Or does china (who is lending us billions each day to prevent bankruptcy) grab that title?
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We don't have to 'respect' shit if it isn't in our best interests.
What's the point of being #1 if you're gonna be a total pussy about everything?
The same reason you don't go clubbing your neighbor over the head to steal his possessions and wealth...ever heard of morality?
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That is an unnecessary presupposition. 'Domino Theory' was just a vindication for the MIC to do what it wanted to and had very little ideology behind it. Even if it were true, there is the issue of sovereignty. We don't but should respect choices made by other nations.
Was there a choice by the sovereign nation of SK for it to be invaded against its will?
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That is an unnecessary presupposition. 'Domino Theory' was just a vindication for the MIC to do what it wanted to and had very little ideology behind it. Even if it were true, there is the issue of sovereignty. We don't but should respect choices made by other nations.
Hold on a sec, so your saying the South was fine with communism? Then why did they fight the North's power play?
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Was there a choice by the sovereign nation of SK for it to be invaded against its will?
Perhaps not but SK was/is not the USA. If it were Vermont we were talking about it would be a different story. Even if we were to claim that 'humanitarian intervention' truly has noble motives, the unintended consequences vitiate whatever good might have been present. Foreign interventionism inevitably leads to bad and worse mistakes or even wholesale tragedy and crime.
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Hold on a sec, so your saying the South was fine with communism? Then why did they fight the North's power play?
Never said any such thing. I merely said it was none of our business and still isn't.
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Never said any such thing. I merely said it was none of our business and still isn't.
That depends do you recognize the UN?
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That depends do you recognize the UN?
Not really. The UN is a mess. You don't need the UN for international cooperation.
We got involved because we wanted to play Realpolitik. Big mess, just one of the many we have been getting into for over 50 years now.
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The same reason you don't go clubbing your neighbor over the head to steal his possessions and wealth...ever heard of morality?
Such things don't exist. What planet are u from. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. They act in their best interests, whether for protect or for economic gain. Morality plays a part only when the masses need to be soothed. America manages to operate from a moral middle ground but we do what everybody else does to stay on top.
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Such things don't exist. What planet are u from. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. They act in their best interests, whether for protect or for economic gain. Morality plays a part only when the masses need to be soothed. America manages to operate from a moral middle ground but we do what everybody else does to stay on top.
That is one perspective but you could easily transfer that perspective to a neighborhood where one family is the biggest/strongest/best armed and uses this to extort and steal from others in the neighborhood. I see no distinction. Nations, like individuals should have the right of self-determination and autonomy.
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#1 in what?
we're #1 in military. Are we still #1 in terms of economics? Or does china (who is lending us billions each day to prevent bankruptcy) grab that title?
So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?
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So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?
Hahahahaha! Not a chance.
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Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.
Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.
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So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?
If your neighbor kills his neighbor and takes his money, do then feel entitled to do the same to your other neighbor?
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If your neighbor kills his neighbor and takes his money, do then feel entitled to do the same to your other neighbor?
You're avoiding the question.
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Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.
Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.
As usual, we disagree.
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You're avoiding the question.
I wasn't. It is unlikely that China would be a 'nice guy'. So what?
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Perhaps not but SK was/is not the USA. If it were Vermont we were talking about it would be a different story. Even if we were to claim that 'humanitarian intervention' truly has noble motives, the unintended consequences vitiate whatever good might have been present. Foreign interventionism inevitably leads to bad and worse mistakes or even wholesale tragedy and crime.
What good was present? SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help. What does it matter the reasons? Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship. Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation? This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to. This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.
At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way. You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.
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O pretty much sums it up.
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Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.
Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.
Deicide thinks if the US were a little more humble and handicapped itself a little more, the would would be one great big hippie-style campsite.
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What good was present? SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help. What does it matter the reasons? Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship. Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation? This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to. This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.
At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way. You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.
Ozmo, the Koreans didn't have a 'democracy' for the longest time and Korea has merely been a sattelite of the US for ages. Until the late 80's every S.Korean leader was merely a mouthpiece for Washington D.C. BTW, ever hear of the Gwangju massacre?
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It was a waste of American lives and resources getting involved in that muck. But there are lots of examples of that. The USA was not attacked by N.Korea, ergo the total lack of need to be involved.
you're the type of guy who , if your kid brother was being attacked down the street, would stay in the house claiming "it has nothing to do with me"....EPIC cowardness
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What good was present? SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help. What does it matter the reasons? Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship. Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation? This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to. This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.
At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way. You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.
Hahaha. OWNED.
Deicide thinks if the US were a little more humble and handicapped itself a little more, the would would be one great big hippie-style campsite.
He thinks the world would would get along and no conflicts or violence would occur when the US left all the bases it occupies. China and Russia would just hold hands and sing around the campfire with us.
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you're the type of guy who , if your kid brother was being attacked down the street, would stay in the house claiming "it has nothing to do with me"....EPIC cowardness
No. Family is different. Terrible analogy.
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No. Family is different. Terrible analogy.
and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so
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Ozmo, the Koreans didn't have a 'democracy' for the longest time and Korea has merely been a sattelite of the US for ages. Until the late 80's every S.Korean leader was merely a mouthpiece for Washington D.C. BTW, ever hear of the Gwangju massacre?
Ur not bringing that up.....all bullshit. Please lets not go down that road. The guy was full of shit plus the wonderful nKorean's had infiltrators with the refugee collums. They were killing civilains as well as US and SK troops. U know D...I had more then a few South Korean people, all over 50 or so, thank me for being there. Thats over 6-7 trips to South Korea in 10 years. Had u been a soldier ur experience there might have been different.
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and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so
As long as their interests remain the same, which in the West, they have for the most part.
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Ur not bringing that up.....all bullshit. Please lets not go down that road. The guy was full of shit plus the wonderful nKorean's had infiltrators with the refugee collums. They were killing civilains as well as US and SK troops. U know D...I had more then a few South Korean people, all over 50 or so, thank me for being there. Thats over 6-7 trips to South Korea in 10 years. Had u been a soldier ur experience there might have been different.
He was too busy getting rejected by Korean women and having 13 year old spit in his face for being a pussy.
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and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so
The US doesn't give a lick about democracy, if it did it would not have assassinated/ousted democratically elected in other countries. Bad excuse.
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As long as their interests remain the same, which in the West, they have for the most part.
Yes.
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He was too busy getting rejected by Korean women and having 13 year old spit in his face for being a pussy.
I doubt you fare much better in Korea, Nick.
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I doubt you fare much better in Korea, Nick.
I don't think I would be getting beat up by 8 year olds, Mr. Skinny/fat manic depressive.
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okay..I'll concede that on occasion the U.S. has done that..but this was many years ago when the world was a different place...the U.S. has not overthrown democratically elected countries in a long time
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Ozmo, the Koreans didn't have a 'democracy' for the longest time and Korea has merely been a sattelite of the US for ages. Until the late 80's every S.Korean leader was merely a mouthpiece for Washington D.C. BTW, ever hear of the Gwangju massacre?
Who cares? The average "Kim" who lives in a free democratic society that allows his family to prosper doesn't give a shit. Why you should you care? You keep on talking about how it affected me personally, but you refuse to acknowledge how it has affected people in South Korea personally and how it would have been if they had been assimilated into NK.
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I don't think I would be getting beat up by 8 year olds, Mr. Skinny/fat manic depressive.
Beat up by 8 year olds? Where do you come up with this stuff...hilarious. You keep on pretending to know it all Nick.
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Oh my god, oh my god, our president is a satellite for the white house. I'd rather trade in my freedom, right to choose and prosperity to live in repression!
Com on dude.
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okay..I'll concede that on occasion the U.S. has done that..but this was many years ago when the world was a different place...the U.S. has not overthrown democratically elected countries in a long time
This is classic....and funny if u look at it A. But ur right, the Cold War was a different beast, much like 911.
The Koreans are much like the Japs, they stick to their own, except with GI's. They like the culture, the money and the prospects of moving to the States. If Deicide wasn't gonna spend money on them, then no dice.
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Beat up by 8 year olds? Where do you come up with this stuff...hilarious. You keep on pretending to know it all Nick.
Do you think you're accomplishing something posting my first name? Give it a rest, you lazy eyed queef. You yourself have admitted to getting suckered punch over there, having people spit in your face and a host of other things. Probably what led to you being such a whiny little manic depressive bitch.
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Who cares? The average "Kim" who lives in a free democratic society that allows his family to prosper doesn't give a shit. Why you should you care? You keep on talking about how it affected me personally, but you refuse to acknowledge how it has affected people in South Korea personally and how it would have been if they had been assimilated into NK.
Frankly I don't really care about Korea, South or North, but then again I have a special relationship with the peninsula if you will.
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Frankly I don't really care about Korea, South or North, but then again I have a special relationship with the peninsula if you will.
Haha, a special relationship alright. ::)
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He hates em and they hate him. But they did provide u with a job right?
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Frankly I don't really care about Korea, South or North, but then again I have a special relationship with the peninsula if you will.
;D 8)
And you would not have that special relationship if it wasn't for that "UN Mob hit" and the imperialistic conquests on the greedy capitalists.
You owe brother!
;D
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Do you think you're accomplishing something posting my first name? Give it a rest, you lazy eyed queef. You yourself have admitted to getting suckered punch over there, having people spit in your face and a host of other things. Probably what led to you being such a whiny little manic depressive bitch.
I also got in a fight there and emerged victorious. Who cares?
Get the silver spoon you were born with out of your mouth there kid, you've been hanging out in Greenwich CT way too long or whatever wealthy CT subburb you come from.
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He hates em and they hate him. But they did provide u with a job right?
A job that was mutually exploitative in nature. :) :-X
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I also got in a fight there and emerged victorious. Who cares?
Get the silver spoon you were born with out of your mouth there kid, you've been hanging out in Greenwich CT way too long or whatever wealthy CT subburb you come from.
I personally know two people who went over there to teach English for a while. White people like yourself. Funny thing is that neither of them had the same experience as you. Ever think that your whiny, bitchy, manic depressive personality might be the reason for it?
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;D 8)
And you would not have that special relationship if it wasn't for that "UN Mob hit" and the imperialistic conquests on the greedy capitalists.
You owe brother!
;D
I simply meant to say there are politcal matters dearer to my heart than Korea's muck...
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I like Korea....in short 30 day shots, but i like em. They can drive u nuts, but D hates em.
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I personally know two people who went over there to teach English for a while. White people like yourself. Funny thing is that neither of them had the same experience as you. Ever think that your whiny, bitchy, manic depressive personality might be the reason for it?
Nah. I have a mate over there who loves it, different strokes, different folks but by and large most foreigner experiences in Korea are negative. I am much happier not being there and that says a lot.
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They have an asian mindset. Every time I travel there, I expect it. I really don't like Japan, for much the same reason that D hates korea.
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They have an asian mindset. Every time I travel there, I expect it. I really don't like Japan, for much the same reason that D hates korea.
That is the point though culturally Japan and Korea are quite similar. If you can tolerate the Neo-Confucian silliness then part of the battle is won, I freely admit I can't stand the culture; it is oppressive, conservative (in all the wrong ways) and stifling.
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I like em, I like the Japanese culture...u can do alot with that mindset. But the people really don't like us.
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I like em, I like the Japanese culture...u can do alot with that mindset. But the people really don't like us.
I can assure you, living there as a fulltime gaijin is different. I have friends who have lived there for years. It's rough if you are not Japanese. Japanese and Koreans have a much easier time in the West than Westerners have in their countries.
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Dude u will get no debate from me on that. The Japs don't like us. U can go there on Vacation...do vacation things and I'm sure its fine. Spend a month like I did, its a different story. And I wasn't near a US base, or near other US troops except the guys I was with. We were in a good sized city. I liked it, they don't like us.
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Dude u will get no debate from me on that. The Japs don't like us. U can go there on Vacation...do vacation things and I'm sure its fine. Spend a month like I did, its a different story. And I wasn't near a US base, or near other US troops except the guys I was with. We were in a good sized city. I liked it, they don't like us.
From what I gather, isn't that the case with the older Japanese moreso than the younger ones nowadays? One of my friends that spent some time over there said the major cities aren't bad as they're full of foreigners but out in the country is a lot different.
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I would agree. We were in Sendai.
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I would agree. We were in Sendai.
Sendai isn't the nicest place. Pretty big not not one of the nicest cities...