Would South Korea really want NK back?

[Deicide]

Hold on a sec, so your saying the South was fine with communism? Then why did they fight the North's power play?

Never said any such thing. I merely said it was none of our business and still isn't.

[Kazan]

Never said any such thing. I merely said it was none of our business and still isn't.

That depends do you recognize the UN?

[Deicide]

That depends do you recognize the UN?

Not really. The UN is a mess. You don't need the UN for international cooperation.

We got involved because we wanted to play Realpolitik. Big mess, just one of the many we have been getting into for over 50 years now.

[headhuntersix]

The same reason you don't go clubbing your neighbor over the head to steal his possessions and wealth...ever heard of morality?

Such things don't exist. What planet are u from. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. They act in their best interests, whether for protect or for economic gain. Morality plays a part only when the masses need to be soothed. America manages to operate from a moral middle ground but we do what everybody else does to stay on top.

[Deicide]

Such things don't exist. What planet are u from. Countries don't have friends, they have interests. They act in their best interests, whether for protect or for economic gain. Morality plays a part only when the masses need to be soothed. America manages to operate from a moral middle ground but we do what everybody else does to stay on top.

That is one perspective but you could easily transfer that perspective to a neighborhood where one family is the biggest/strongest/best armed and uses this to extort and steal from others in the neighborhood. I see no distinction. Nations, like individuals should have the right of self-determination and autonomy.

[Hereford]

#1 in what?

we're #1 in military.  Are we still #1 in terms of economics?  Or does china (who is lending us billions each day to prevent bankruptcy) grab that title?

So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?

[Fury]

So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?

Hahahahaha! Not a chance.

[headhuntersix]

Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.

Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.

[Deicide]

So you think China is going to pull any punches based on 'morality' if they become undisputed #1?

If your neighbor kills his neighbor and takes his money, do then feel entitled to do the same to your other neighbor?

[Fury]

If your neighbor kills his neighbor and takes his money, do then feel entitled to do the same to your other neighbor?

You're avoiding the question.

[Deicide]

Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.

Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.

As usual, we disagree.

[Deicide]

You're avoiding the question.

I wasn't. It is unlikely that China would be a 'nice guy'. So what?

[OzmO]

Perhaps not but SK was/is not the USA. If it were Vermont we were talking about it would be a different story. Even if we were to claim that 'humanitarian intervention' truly has noble motives, the unintended consequences vitiate whatever good might have been present. Foreign interventionism inevitably leads to bad and worse mistakes or even wholesale tragedy and crime.

What good was present?  SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help.  What does it matter the reasons?  Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship.  Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation?   This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to.  This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.  

At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way.  You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.

[headhuntersix]

O pretty much sums it up.

[Hereford]

Sure except many nations, especially those in the Middle East don't work well with others. Therefore they must be frog stomped, distablized or others kept down until they can. I have no need of anything my neighbor has, nor he me. But I have plenty of weapons incase he does. If he makes threats, I have plenty of recourse. The US doesn't have much recourse.

Hereford.....Nope. Right now they're building their Blue Water navy and AF. While the shitbag in chief cuts defense to fund his socialist utopia.

Deicide thinks if the US were a little more humble and handicapped itself a little more, the would would be one great big hippie-style campsite.

[Deicide]

What good was present?  SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help.  What does it matter the reasons?  Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship.  Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation?   This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to.  This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.  

At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way.  You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.

Ozmo, the Koreans didn't have a 'democracy' for the longest time and Korea has merely been a sattelite of the US for ages. Until the late 80's every S.Korean leader was merely a mouthpiece for Washington D.C. BTW, ever hear of the Gwangju massacre?

[andreisdaman]

It was a waste of American lives and resources getting involved in that muck. But there are lots of examples of that. The USA was not attacked by N.Korea, ergo the total lack of need to be involved.

you're the type of guy who , if your kid brother was being attacked down the street, would stay in the house claiming "it has nothing to do with me"....EPIC cowardness

[Fury]

What good was present?  SK was getting invaded by NK and we were willing to help.  What does it matter the reasons?  Fact is they were getting assimilated by force and murder into a repressive toleration dictatorship.  Speaking of the present which do you think the korean people would want an economically flourishing free democratic country or a repressive communistic society on the brink of starvation?   This is where this instance of "Foreign interventionism" led to.  This is where this 'humanitarian intervention' led to.  

At the time our government felt is was strategically prudent to have a democratic Korea enough to put American lives into harms way.  You can argue the merit of that all day long, but you can't for one second say we didn't do the South Koreans a great service if not for the wrong reasons.

Hahaha. OWNED.

Deicide thinks if the US were a little more humble and handicapped itself a little more, the would would be one great big hippie-style campsite.

He thinks the world would would get along and no conflicts or violence would occur when the US left all the bases it occupies. China and Russia would just hold hands and sing around the campfire with us.

[Deicide]

you're the type of guy who , if your kid brother was being attacked down the street, would stay in the house claiming "it has nothing to do with me"....EPIC cowardness

No. Family is different. Terrible analogy.

[andreisdaman]

No. Family is different. Terrible analogy.

and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so

[headhuntersix]

Ozmo, the Koreans didn't have a 'democracy' for the longest time and Korea has merely been a sattelite of the US for ages. Until the late 80's every S.Korean leader was merely a mouthpiece for Washington D.C. BTW, ever hear of the Gwangju massacre?

Ur not bringing that up.....all bullshit. Please lets not go down that road. The guy was full of shit plus the wonderful nKorean's had infiltrators with the refugee collums. They were killing civilains as well as US and SK troops. U know D...I had more then a few South Korean people, all over 50 or so, thank me for being there. Thats over 6-7 trips to South Korea in 10 years.  Had u been a soldier ur experience there might have been different.

[headhuntersix]

and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so

As long as their interests remain the same, which in the West, they have for the most part.

[Fury]

Ur not bringing that up.....all bullshit. Please lets not go down that road. The guy was full of shit plus the wonderful nKorean's had infiltrators with the refugee collums. They were killing civilains as well as US and SK troops. U know D...I had more then a few South Korean people, all over 50 or so, thank me for being there. Thats over 6-7 trips to South Korea in 10 years.  Had u been a soldier ur experience there might have been different.

He was too busy getting rejected by Korean women and having 13 year old spit in his face for being a pussy.

[Deicide]

and democratic nations are not part of a "family"?..they have the same values..and ideals..and are free..and depend on each other to remain so

The US doesn't give a lick about democracy, if it did it would not have assassinated/ousted democratically elected in other countries. Bad excuse.

[Deicide]

As long as their interests remain the same, which in the West, they have for the most part.

Yes.