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Title: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on June 29, 2009, 09:41:39 PM

One of the LAWS in our gym is as follows: "No cell phones on the gym floor.  Please use the main lobby area for cell phone conversations."

...

I keep my training log on my iPhone (homo). 

So, after each exercise, I input the information. 

Last night, one of the gym staffers informed me that I'm not allowed to have my cell phone on the gym floor at all.  Both of us were cool about it and he said most of the staff would probably look the other way or not even notice if I made an effort to be totally discreet about it. 

Although I can certainly switch to a paper log, is my gym being overly skittish here?  (he said that there had been claims of people using their cell phones to take pictures of other people in the gym)   


Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: webcake on June 29, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: MB_722 on June 29, 2009, 09:48:34 PM
it's a good rule.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: dyslexic on June 29, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
Yeah, they use their cellphones to videotape hamsters in a duffel bag...



on the treadmills. Whatever.



There's plenty of that cheesy crap on YT.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on June 29, 2009, 10:00:01 PM

I didn't push the issue, but my assumption - based on the way the LAW is written - was that people are not to talk on their phones on the gym floor.  Seems reasonable, makes sense.

Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: wes mantooth on June 29, 2009, 10:00:36 PM
rules are absolute.

even if you are not using it in a traditional sense.....no cellphones mean...no cellphones

buy some paper and a pencil technonerd!!!
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on June 29, 2009, 10:04:44 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.

Hey, I'm not gonna front...getting back into serious lifting for the first time in a LONG time.  I need to track my progress - or lack thereof - for a period of several months before I'll be able to go back to intuitive training again. 

I ain't too proud to write my shit down. ;)

Gay-gay would be writing down what I eat for every meal, too. lol 
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Jizzacked on June 29, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
someone hogging a machine or bench while they fervently text (which you could appear to be doing) is just as bad as if they were on the phone... I do agree with this rule somewhat.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Palpatine Q on June 29, 2009, 10:14:15 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.

BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHA AAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: gordiano on June 29, 2009, 10:26:22 PM
They have that rule at gym as well....but like all the others, it is not enforced.

It's funny, this one time, this fucking old tool comes up to me and tells me to not slam my weights. The irony is, ANYONE who knows me, or has trained with me knows, I don't do that shit. So, I told him, hey jag off, why don't you go bother someone else and leave me alone? Who the fuck are you, the weight police? The fucking nerve!

Funny thing shit is, I called him on being a hypocrite....why? Well, there's a rule against wearing jeans to train. Guess what, he wears some...ALWAYS. That shut him up......

I'm usually calm and nice, but for some fucking reason, this asshole just made me go off. Fucking nerve! If I had done something wrong, I would have apologized....that's the way I am.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Ex Coelis on June 30, 2009, 01:57:08 PM

I'm usually calm and nice, but for some fucking reason, this asshole just made me go off. Fucking nerve! If I had done something wrong, I would have apologized....that's the way I am.

you're clearly more animal than man
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Man of Steel on June 30, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

AHAAHAHHAAHAHA!!!!
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: io856 on June 30, 2009, 02:03:17 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak
I suppose that mentality is why you are still stuck at 405 on the squat  ::)
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on June 30, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
I suppose that mentality is why you are still stuck at 405 on the squat  ::)

I'm not usually one to pick on someone who isn't making progress, but...LOL! 

My quest for a 500+ squat requires planning and it helps to have a road map, so that's why I'll be the little queer in there with his notepad.  :) 
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: drkaje on June 30, 2009, 02:59:54 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

Fucking classic!!!
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: FREAKgeek on June 30, 2009, 03:07:25 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak



How do you make note of what you've done, what load to use, what to strive for next session?
You gotta know if you're improving or declining.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Trav on June 30, 2009, 03:15:06 PM


How do you make note of what you've done, what load to use, what to strive for next session?
You gotta know if you're improving or declining.


Going to gym = improving
Not going = declining
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Kegdrainer on June 30, 2009, 03:26:16 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

Post of the year. 
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Stark on June 30, 2009, 03:27:54 PM
First of all I think u fucking suck for not being able to memorize your training and or the awesome ::) lifts
Second time to jump of the bandwagon and get yourself a mans phone - leave the IPone's to the pussies.
Third and most important - you don't deserve blue star if you haven't had the balls to tell the skinny trainer to go fuck himself - infact I bet you simply rolled over in the locker room so he could pound your ass senseless --- am I close?
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: leonp1981 on June 30, 2009, 03:29:37 PM
It's the same rule in some strip clubs.  You could just be sending a text to someone, but if the doormen see your phone, they don't stop to ask what you were doing, they just assume you were taking pics of the girls.

Just buy a small notepad to keep track on.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: MAXX on June 30, 2009, 03:30:03 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.
your hero Dorian Yates used a training log.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Stark on June 30, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

hahahah lol classic
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: buffdnet on June 30, 2009, 03:34:30 PM
david henry keeps a journal
as well as other pro's and top amatuers
instinctive training is a total crock
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: MAXX on June 30, 2009, 03:37:54 PM
First of all I think u fucking suck for not being able to memorize your training and or the awesome ::) lifts
Second time to jump of the bandwagon and get yourself a mans phone - leave the IPone's to the pussies.
Third and most important - you don't deserve blue star if you haven't had the balls to tell the skinny trainer to go fuck himself - infact I bet you simply rolled over in the locker room so he could pound your ass senseless --- am I close?
for bodybuilders it's good to be able to look back at what you did a certain time. to maybe find out why you did good progress at that time.

not that i keep one myself (to lazy) but it would probably be helpfull.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: jesusbod on June 30, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.

My thoughts exactly.. He should already know what he is going to do..
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: YoungBlood on June 30, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
I didn't push the issue, but my assumption - based on the way the LAW is written - was that people are not to talk on their phones on the gym floor.  Seems reasonable, makes sense.



I understand what you're saying. You notice a loophole, and while you're not really exploiting it, you notice that you are still not obeying the rule 100%.
Why not memorize all the weights, order of exercises etc... till you get home and input it on your computer; be it a website or a program on your hard drive?

My rule of cellphones? They don't even enter the gym with me! I leave mine in my car. Every partner I've ever worked out with, I've told this to. When they answered a call on the first day, I pulled the phone from their ear, hung up on the call with no notice, and kept it in my pocket. They never brought the phone in again, then again, they also didn't workout with me for more than a few weeks either!
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: ManBearPig... on June 30, 2009, 06:42:07 PM
because of posts like these, every day i thank god i lift weights in my basement.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: daddy8ball on June 30, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

goddam that was funny
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Luv2Hurt on June 30, 2009, 07:42:41 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.

I gotta agree, whats the point?  how do you train hard and concentrate set to set when between each set you are dealing with your phone/log?
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Topskin69 on June 30, 2009, 07:54:09 PM
One of the more blatant Gym rules-violations at Golds Venice is the infamous, "No Gym bags on the floor." Most pros feel that this doesnt apply to them, with Bob Chick being the most blatant abuser of this. It was pretty amusing watching him...spend about 20mins inbetween sets having this huge gym bag strapped around his chest while he would talk shop to verious people. I dont think I ever saw him actully use it for anything else other then a prop.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: G o a t b o y on June 30, 2009, 08:02:55 PM
I understand what you're saying. You notice a loophole, and while you're not really exploiting it, you notice that you are still not obeying the rule 100%.
Why not memorize all the weights, order of exercises etc... till you get home and input it on your computer; be it a website or a program on your hard drive?

My rule of cellphones? They don't even enter the gym with me! I leave mine in my car. Every partner I've ever worked out with, I've told this to. When they answered a call on the first day, I pulled the phone from their ear, hung up on the call with no notice, and kept it in my pocket. They never brought the phone in again, then again, they also didn't workout with me for more than a few weeks either!


If the intent of the rule is to stop conversations on the training floor because they are disruptive, or to stop picture-taking as an invasion of privacy, and Tre is doing neither, they should leave him alone.  If he shows the training log app to the gym douche, and makes him understand that's what he's using the (gay) iPhone for, that should be that.  People who enforce "letter of the rule" rather than "spirit of the rule" are narrow-minded, low IQ douchebags whom I have nothing but contempt for.   (yes, Bob, I'm looking in your direction.  ;))
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: 240 is Back on June 30, 2009, 08:03:45 PM
someone hogging a machine or bench while they fervently text (which you could appear to be doing) is just as bad as if they were on the phone... I do agree with this rule somewhat.

the texters are even more annoying that the people on the phone.

At least you can listen in on their conversations when they're talking.  Have a laugh at the things they say, roll your eyes, embarass them into moving.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Luv2Hurt on June 30, 2009, 08:09:02 PM

If the intent of the rule is to stop conversations on the training floor because they are disruptive, or to stop picture-taking as an invasion of privacy, and Tre is doing neither, they should leave him alone.  If he shows the training log app to the gym douche, and makes him understand that's what he's using the (gay) iPhone for, that should be that.  People who enforce "letter of the rule" rather than "spirit of the rule" are narrow-minded, low IQ douchebags whom I have nothing but contempt for.   (yes, Bob, I'm looking in your direction.  ;))

Wrong!  Then the next thing you know every assclown in the gym has phones with them saying "Im just putting info in my log" Give people an inch they take a mile.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: G o a t b o y on June 30, 2009, 08:12:07 PM
Wrong!  Then the next thing you know every assclown in the gym has phones with them saying "Im just putting info in my log" Give people an inch they take a mile.

Tre's not some assclown, he's a professional guy in his 40's.  The 20-yo gym douche should show some respect.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: uberman09 on June 30, 2009, 08:38:09 PM
because of posts like these, every day i thank god i lift weights in my basement.

 ;)
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: G o a t b o y on June 30, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
because of posts like these, every day i thank god i lift weights in my basement.


Commercial gyms suck ass.  Get one of these and you're good to go:
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: CT_Muscle on June 30, 2009, 09:22:36 PM
you're clearly more animal than man

As if there was something wrong with that
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: clued-up on June 30, 2009, 09:32:25 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

LOL...
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Lurker79 on June 30, 2009, 11:02:10 PM
Deicide, your calves are the only part of you that don't belong in THG. You don't need to train them ;)
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: nodeal on June 30, 2009, 11:27:38 PM
I'm glad I don't get this type of shit from LA fitness..
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Cleanest Natural on July 01, 2009, 03:03:42 AM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: CalvinH on July 01, 2009, 06:31:22 AM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak




Such a good post it brought a tear to my eye :'(
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on July 01, 2009, 08:29:56 AM

Thanks, Goat. 

I'm usually at the gym alone, so I keep to myself and I'm totally focused on what my purpose is there.  On the times when I am lucky enough to have a partner (maybe 1-2 times a month), she's even more focused than I am.  We're just not there to bullshit and it's not fun time. 

Capping off the evening, after hitting the grocery store, I then got a ticket for doing 80 on the highway.  I don't even do 80 on the interstate!

Both my vehicle and the car that flew past me are silver, yet I'm the one who got tagged.  I was doing 74-75 at the time, but the officer says he's positive it was my vehicle.  It was late at night...clearly a case of mistaken identity.  I admitted to 74, so they're gonna hit me up for a few hundred, I know, but if I get stuck with the 80mph, I won't be able to avoid the insurance hit.

First ticket in 10 years...unreal. 
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tapeworm on July 01, 2009, 08:34:04 AM
Mama told ya there'd be days like these.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Deicide on July 01, 2009, 08:36:16 AM
Mama told ya there'd be days like these.

(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z25/Todesfick/Perth_Skyline.jpg)
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tapeworm on July 01, 2009, 08:39:01 AM
(http://bestholiday.com.my/cart/images/AUS_Perth_Milner_Swan_River.jpg)
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: 240 is Back on July 01, 2009, 08:42:48 AM
Thanks, Goat. 

I'm usually at the gym alone, so I keep to myself and I'm totally focused on what my purpose is there.  On the times when I am lucky enough to have a partner (maybe 1-2 times a month), she's even more focused than I am.  We're just not there to bullshit and it's not fun time. 

Capping off the evening, after hitting the grocery store, I then got a ticket for doing 80 on the highway.  I don't even do 80 on the interstate!

Both my vehicle and the car that flew past me are silver, yet I'm the one who got tagged.  I was doing 74-75 at the time, but the officer says he's positive it was my vehicle.  It was late at night...clearly a case of mistaken identity.  I admitted to 74, so they're gonna hit me up for a few hundred, I know, but if I get stuck with the 80mph, I won't be able to avoid the insurance hit.

First ticket in 10 years...unreal. 


You should have told him you were a member of the Arlington police dept.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on July 01, 2009, 10:27:35 AM
You should have told him you were a member of the Arlington police dept.

LOL 

"I'm on the job, man.  I was tracking a suspected perp in the silver Celica."
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Mongol on July 01, 2009, 11:21:58 AM
One of the LAWS in our gym is as follows: "No cell phones on the gym floor.  Please use the main lobby area for cell phone conversations."

...

I keep my training log on my iPhone (homo). 

So, after each exercise, I input the information. 

Last night, one of the gym staffers informed me that I'm not allowed to have my cell phone on the gym floor at all.  Both of us were cool about it and he said most of the staff would probably look the other way or not even notice if I made an effort to be totally discreet about it. 

Although I can certainly switch to a paper log, is my gym being overly skittish here?  (he said that there had been claims of people using their cell phones to take pictures of other people in the gym)   




They would go spastic at the gym I go to, practically every other twat is having full on conversations or at the very least texting between every set which is usually about ten minutes!   
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: emn1964 on July 01, 2009, 12:47:00 PM
Tre-doesn't sound like a reprimand at all and the gym employee sounded like he was pretty cool about it.  Did you tell him you use your phone as a journal?

Another thing, this is the second thread in recent days that you have started wherein you describe some sort of problem at the gym.  Is there anything else going on that you'd like to talk about?  I mean these things seem out of character for you.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: ManBearPig... on July 01, 2009, 01:07:44 PM

Commercial gyms suck ass.  Get one of these and you're good to go:


you must have me confused with some billionaire.  my ceiling clearance is only 7 ft in my dungeon.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on July 01, 2009, 04:01:26 PM
"Training log"..............hahah gayer than a box full of rainbows.

Gayer than a "Think Globally. Act Locally." bumper sticker.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Tre on July 01, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
Gayer than a "Think Globally. Act Locally." bumper sticker.

Hey!

Leave my log alone.   >:(
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: Internet Tough Guy on July 02, 2009, 02:05:07 AM
Hey!

Leave my log alone.   >:(

I apologize.  I'm still drawn to the whole "gayer than" thing like a moth to a flame.
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: peroni on July 02, 2009, 06:07:30 AM
One of the LAWS in our gym is as follows: "No cell phones on the gym floor.  Please use the main lobby area for cell phone conversations."

...

I keep my training log on my iPhone (homo). 

So, after each exercise, I input the information. 

Last night, one of the gym staffers informed me that I'm not allowed to have my cell phone on the gym floor at all.  Both of us were cool about it and he said most of the staff would probably look the other way or not even notice if I made an effort to be totally discreet about it. 

Although I can certainly switch to a paper log, is my gym being overly skittish here?  (he said that there had been claims of people using their cell phones to take pictures of other people in the gym)   




I own a gym and I have a no cell phone policy as far as ringers and conversations go. If you want to text or input data I'd have no problem with that so long as there are no ringers going off and you're not sitting on a machine texting if someone's waiting to use it. If I saw someone taking a picture of someone else without their consent, that'd be the end of their gym membership. It should be noted, however, that my gym is not a 20k sq foot monstrosity, but rather a small one
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: wes mantooth on July 02, 2009, 08:43:56 AM

If the intent of the rule is to stop conversations on the training floor because they are disruptive, or to stop picture-taking as an invasion of privacy, and Tre is doing neither, they should leave him alone.  If he shows the training log app to the gym douche, and makes him understand that's what he's using the (gay) iPhone for, that should be that.  People who enforce "letter of the rule" rather than "spirit of the rule" are narrow-minded, low IQ douchebags whom I have nothing but contempt for.   (yes, Bob, I'm looking in your direction.  ;))

disagree. the "spirit" of the rule is open to interpretation by the individual. since most people are of sub IQ, this opens those rules to be bent. as i said rules need to be absolute as to not let loopholes and such occur.

i think you have contempt for the wrong people...you should have a problem with either the rule MAKER, or the rule BREAKER, not the enforcer. they are the only people that are doing things 100% correctly in the situation.

i think youre forgetting about the attitude and general demeanor of gym goers...perhaps youve been out of the loop for a little while. cellphones are an epidemic.....a fucking sickness....and people are getting dumber by the second.

if a rule is flawed...change it
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: funk51 on July 02, 2009, 12:31:46 PM
One of the LAWS in our gym is as follows: "No cell phones on the gym floor.  Please use the main lobby area for cell phone conversations."

...

I keep my training log on my iPhone (homo). 

So, after each exercise, I input the information. 

Last night, one of the gym staffers informed me that I'm not allowed to have my cell phone on the gym floor at all.  Both of us were cool about it and he said most of the staff would probably look the other way or not even notice if I made an effort to be totally discreet about it. 

Although I can certainly switch to a paper log, is my gym being overly skittish here?  (he said that there had been claims of people using their cell phones to take pictures of other people in the gym)   



                    beginner=walking around gym with a clipboard with there "routine" on it. or even worse using a mechanical device to record said workout for posterity?
Title: Re: Gym rant: Reprimanded by gym staff for something rather trivial
Post by: wordy on July 02, 2009, 02:02:48 PM
BwaHAAAAHHHAAaahhhAAHHHAAAAAaaaAAA

People stil keep journals?

June 27th.....small and weak

June 28th....small and weak

FFS I need to stop leaving that thing lying around >:(