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Can you lay out for us, getbiggers, the type of AAS cycles where diet matters less ??
I'm from japan GH15 and I admire you!!! we have many bodybuilders here ;)
thank you GH15!
please leave my name out
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diet doesnt matter as lkong as protien is high enough when follow products is in blood
trenbolone ace
masteron
testosterone at medium range under 1 gram a week
eq
you can eat whatever you want on those profucts and body fat % will go down the longer youre on them ,,while muscle get thicker,,
the main secret of bodybuilders from mid 90s and on to this day is the use of trenbolone masteron testosteroen eq and growth hormone with all you can eat diet ,,thats why they also look like shit if they ate clean they woudl have better lines,,but to be big and ripped and dry with all you can eat diet of whatever you feel like you need trenbolne in it and masteron in it with tesosteroen and eq as a base
growth hormone for competetive bodybuilder at higher levels a must ofcourse
mj15 approved
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gh 15 are you german or dutch ???
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[quote author=
Can you lay out for us, getbiggers, the type of AAS cycles where diet matters less ??
I'm from japan GH15 and I admire you!!! we have many bodybuilders here ;)
thank you GH15!
please leave my name out
diet doesnt matter as lkong as protien is high enough when follow products is in blood
trenbolone ace
masteron
testosterone at medium range under 1 gram a week
eq
you can eat whatever you want on those profucts and body fat % will go down the longer youre on them ,,while muscle get thicker,,
the main secret of bodybuilders from mid 90s and on to this day is the use of trenbolone masteron testosteroen eq and growth hormone with all you can eat diet ,,thats why they also look like shit if they ate clean they woudl have better lines,,but to be big and ripped and dry with all you can eat diet of whatever you feel like you need trenbolne in it and masteron in it with tesosteroen and eq as a base
growth hormone for competetive bodybuilder at higher levels a must ofcourse
mj15 approved
is not the first time he write it.
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I know there are only a hand few of bodybuilders that you respect.
Just wondering what your thoughts were about Dennis James?
Is he a true bodybuilder or 'generation nothingness fake muscle'?
You say that bodybuilder's are liers when they say they eat clean, well this is what he has posted in his blog on his website:
#1 8oz chicken, 5 eggwhites, 2 slices of wholewheat toast dry, 1 cup of oatmeal
#2 8oz Tilapia, 2 cups of brown rice
#3 8oz Chicken, 12oz sweet potatoe
#4 8oz Tilapia, 1 1/2cups of brown rice
#5 8oz Chicken, 8oz sweet potatoe, 1 cup asparagus
#6 12 eggwhites, 1 cup of brocoli, 1/2 cup of oatmeal
According to you, is he is lieing?
Also, what is his cycle going into the Tampa pro show in 5 weeks?
Thanks gh15!
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a guy walking with gh, t3, clen and 2 gr of various aas will be dead of under-feeding in 3 day with that kind diet.
here's a more realistic diet
meal 1: pizza
meal 2:cheese burger
meal 3: sushi
meal 4: tacos
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eq, masteron, and tren??
damn gh15 you switched from all HG products to BULK of your cycles now are UG??
is it cause of the summer - u used to say gh, slin, HG test, and t3 would keep a nga cut up if you stayed on long enough?
??? ??? ???
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What's the best protein source gh15 ???
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eggs
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a guy walking with gh, t3, clen and 2 gr of various aas will be dead of under-feeding in 3 day with that kind diet.
here's a more realistic diet
meal 1: pizza
meal 2:cheese burger
meal 3: sushi
meal 4: tacos
very good you learn ,, protien higher ofcourse but the 7% bodyfat can and should be reached on any type of so called dirty diet even if you eat the diet the outlines here,,
the clean diet you see above in first post is for very mininal time to take from 6% down to 4%,,anything over 4-6 weeks and you will get no where in bodybuildining on that type of diet since you wll simply lose size and at this body fat size is ONLY MUSCLE
mj15 approved
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eggs
thats right! good
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eq, masteron, and tren??
damn gh15 you switched from all HG products to BULK of your cycles now are UG??
is it cause of the summer - u used to say gh, slin, HG test, and t3 would keep a nga cut up if you stayed on long enough?
??? ??? ???
pay attention to what i wrote,,,the diet eaten on this product i mention in this thread can be anything you wish ABSOLUTRLY ANYTHING YOU WISH AS LONG AS HIGH ENOUGH PROTIEN AND CALORIES AND YOU WILL END UP AT 6-7% WHILE GROWING,,
meaning: you start 195lb 8% after 3 weeks you are 210lb 7% after 6 weeks you are 220lb 6% may take little while longer if not knowing your body well
human grade is stil the way to go but then you also have to eat more of a balanced diet ,,the produicts i wrote above ...you can eat shit and get lean and big and hard on them,,infact thats what we all do
you will never lift as much on trenbolone and masteron test in comparisson to dianabol anapalon test but remember friends! bodybuilders majority of us do not lift heavy all year long infact we lift heavy very short period of times while on dianabol and anadrol or halorestin ,,when we are on the prodicts i mention here we do not lift as heavy no mater how much fake plates you see around us in photoshoots
mj15 approved
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gh15, could you be more specific in regards to my questions regarding Dennis James in bodybuilding?
- cycle leading into Tampa Pro?
- lieing about his diet then?
- is he on your 'good list' of today's bodybuilders?
Thankyou gh15!
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eggs
haha
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I thought Kyomu was natural?
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gh 15 are you german or dutch ???
Little "jon cole" playing internet detective.
How cute ::)
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I thought Kyomu was natural?
Not a lifetime natural.
Team Eurotrash approved
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Little "jon cole" playing internet detective.
How cute ::)
Just want to put an end to the question "who is gh15?"
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very good you learn ,, protien higher ofcourse but the 7% bodyfat can and should be reached on any type of so called dirty diet even if you eat the diet the outlines here,,
the clean diet you see above in first post is for very mininal time to take from 6% down to 4%,,anything over 4-6 weeks and you will get no where in bodybuildining on that type of diet since you wll simply lose size and at this body fat size is ONLY MUSCLE
mj15 approved
thanks master.
yes, the tilapia/white egg is only for the 2/4 week before the show, it's the "final touch".
even a natural who want to add some mass should eat dirty, the tuna/oatmeal/egg white diet is the shit, i try it for two month, no energy, no pump, no strenght.
it's only good for cutting.
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gh15, could you be more specific in regards to my questions regarding Dennis James in bodybuilding?
- cycle leading into Tampa Pro?
- lieing about his diet then?
- is he on your 'good list' of today's bodybuilders?
Thankyou gh15!
:D
no need to
gh15 already outlined what he uses ;)
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Just want to put an end to the question "who is gh15?"
Tout le monde sait cela... ;)
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Just want to put an end to the question "who is gh15?"
a fit man.
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Just want to put an end to the question "who is gh15?"
a man you knows hormones
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Just want to put an end to the question "who is gh15?
all you need is for him to say is from where he is posting
which he has done.
then you need a means to track his ip
which i have done. that's what this smilie is for >>>>(http://www.naturalmastersbodybuilding.com/laf.gif)
it's hosted on my server. all I had to do is correlate times of posts here
with my server logs and waalaa
then you would know what I know
all smilax baby
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IN HIS VIDEO HE IS SUPER ANAL ABOUT HIS DIET AND WHAT HE ATE ??? ;D
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thats utter bullshit........ i can remember back in the 90's watching the pro's doin there seminars round the country and they all carried cooler bags filled with tupper wear full of chicken and rice etc etc,,,, at least they did in uk, im talking yates, taylor etc etc
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thats utter bullshit........ i can remember back in the 90's watching the pro's doin there seminars round the country and they all carried cooler bags filled with tupper wear full of chicken and rice etc etc,,,, at least they did in uk, im talking yates, taylor etc etc
only when you see friend ,,only when you see,,remember you see us 30 min once in a blue moon ,,maybe you see us training in your gym on regular basis for an hour 3 times a week if lucky,,
none of you know or understand the life of a bodybuilder,,you dont see how much shit we eat ,,you dont see how much of hormone addicts we are,,we get nuts if we dont take an injection on time and feel shrinked,,many of you can nto understand this because we sell you image ,,image that is not true
if you only once took fina and testosterone with some masteron you would understand how much diet dont matter in the big scheme of things as long as you eat enough and eat high enough protien
you dont live with us ,,you dont know whats going in in our bathroom or closer,, the only ones who know is our wives thats why they are not impressed with us,,have you ever seen jason wife being impressed with him EVER? i mean she is reading this board he is reading this board too on regular basis and only time she was impressed with him is when he won mr o and more from hapiness not impressed by body because our women know the truth and see what we do inorder to ramain this way and jeep growing
you cant say anything about us from seeing us 20 min one time or even 1 hour 3 times a week,,
NOTICE FRIENDS ,,THE BIGGEST MOST RIPPED CUT DRY BODYBUILDERS ,,,
1. RARELY LIFT VERY HEAVY
2. RARELY TRAIN OVER AN HOUR 3 TIMES A WEEK 4 TIMES IF THEY ARE ON GOOD DOSES
now the dif is ron colman thats why he came with the sentences he did about everybody wanna be a bodybuildr bla bla,,the diff is few other professionals me among them that we actually lift heavy ,,but we are diff generation
a fella like heath is a joke ,,he woudnt even get pro card back in the 80s
the whole bodybuilding scene now days is a joke
mj15 approved
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only when you see friend ,,only when you see,,remember you see us 30 min once in a blue moon ,,maybe you see us training in your gym on regular basis for an hour 3 times a week if lucky,,
none of you know or understand the life of a bodybuilder,,you dont see how much shit we eat ,,you dont see how much of hormone addicts we are,,we get nuts if we dont take an injection on time and feel shrinked,,many of you can nto understand this because we sell you image ,,image that is not true
if you only once took fina and testosterone with some masteron you would understand how much diet dont matter in the big scheme of things as long as you eat enough and eat high enough protien
you dont live with us ,,you dont know whats going in in our bathroom or closer,, the only ones who know is our wives thats why they are not impressed with us,,have you ever seen jason wife being impressed with him EVER? i mean she is reading this board he is reading this board too on regular basis and only time she was impressed with him is when he won mr o and more from hapiness not impressed by body because our women know the truth and see what we do inorder to ramain this way and jeep growing
you cant say anything about us from seeing us 20 min one time or even 1 hour 3 times a week,,
NOTICE FRIENDS ,,THE BIGGEST MOST RIPPED CUT DRY BODYBUILDERS ,,,
1. RARELY LIFT VERY HEAVY
2. RARELY TRAIN OVER AN HOUR 3 TIMES A WEEK 4 TIMES IF THEY ARE ON GOOD DOSES
now the dif is ron colman thats why he came with the sentences he did about everybody wanna be a bodybuildr bla bla,,the diff is few other professionals me among them that we actually lift heavy ,,but we are diff generation
a fella like heath is a joke ,,he woudnt even get pro card back in the 80s
the whole bodybuilding scene now days is a jokemj15 approved
Why do you say that Phil is a joke? Please be a lil more specific?
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thanks for that gh15.
So my questions regarding Dennis have been dismissed?
I would really like to know.
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First off GH 15, Dont call me a liar.Unless your man enough to say itr to my face.Which you wonty because your to much of a pussy.GH15 I have $500 saying your not a fuck4#% pro bodybuilder.
Your just a wannabe be who sells anabolics to olcal competitors, and acts like he knows everything.
You say you have benn on the Olympia stage prove it chump!!! Put up or shut up.
I was a pro bodybuilders in 2 organizations the PNBA, nad Musclemania as a pro.So I can atleast prove my status as a former pro.
You just hide behind the name GH15 like a coward.If you were a real pro, you would know if someones relatives were 260-275 lbs without working out, that they could be 250lbs naturally.So what your saying is if a girls mother has a size "D "bra her daughter cant have a size "D" chest aswell.
Anybody with a brain would tell you genetics, make you what you are.They determine wether your tall, short fat skinny,hairy, stupid,muscular, intelligent, or ignorant, like your selve.
I dont come on this board to push any of my supplements,I rarely event mention my companies name.
So STFU,because your not a pro.Put your money were your mouth is? Or better yet call me a liar to my face.I would really love for you to do that.If you call me a liar to my face, I will take you to a place I call the broken jaw tavern.
The Broken Jaw Tavern, also specializes in quick and easy took extractions.
My offer still stands, $500 says your not a pro, and you arent man enough to call me liar, or a druggie to my face.
Because bet your ass you will get dropped!!!!!!
Care to respond?
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Watch out...GetItOnNY will be getting a controlled shipment anytime now! Roland doesnt mess around!
Planet Nibirou and MJ15 approved.
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GH15 YOU CAN SEND ME A PM WITH THE PROOF. I WONT TELL ANYOOONE WHO YOU ARE JUST IF YOU'RE LEGIT OR NOT AND THATS A PROMISE. AND AS YOU NOTICED ON THIS FORUM I'VE NEVER LIED.
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only when you see friend ,,only when you see,,remember you see us 30 min once in a blue moon ,,maybe you see us training in your gym on regular basis for an hour 3 times a week if lucky,,
none of you know or understand the life of a bodybuilder,,you dont see how much shit we eat ,,you dont see how much of hormone addicts we are,,we get nuts if we dont take an injection on time and feel shrinked,,many of you can nto understand this because we sell you image ,,image that is not true
if you only once took fina and testosterone with some masteron you would understand how much diet dont matter in the big scheme of things as long as you eat enough and eat high enough protien
you dont live with us ,,you dont know whats going in in our bathroom or closer,, the only ones who know is our wives thats why they are not impressed with us,,have you ever seen jason wife being impressed with him EVER? i mean she is reading this board he is reading this board too on regular basis and only time she was impressed with him is when he won mr o and more from hapiness not impressed by body because our women know the truth and see what we do inorder to ramain this way and jeep growing
you cant say anything about us from seeing us 20 min one time or even 1 hour 3 times a week,,
NOTICE FRIENDS ,,THE BIGGEST MOST RIPPED CUT DRY BODYBUILDERS ,,,
1. RARELY LIFT VERY HEAVY
2. RARELY TRAIN OVER AN HOUR 3 TIMES A WEEK 4 TIMES IF THEY ARE ON GOOD DOSES
now the dif is ron colman thats why he came with the sentences he did about everybody wanna be a bodybuildr bla bla,,the diff is few other professionals me among them that we actually lift heavy ,,but we are diff generation
a fella like heath is a joke ,,he woudnt even get pro card back in the 80s
the whole bodybuilding scene now days is a joke
mj15 approved
jean texier, a bbing french journalist spent so many time in venice, and told many many time in french mag how much bber were lazy, using fake plate for photo shoot, always training light, and eating shit (flex and burger, nasser and sushi))
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lol...cripple fight!
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jean texier, a bbing french journalist spent so many time in venice, and told many many time in french mag how much bber were lazy, using fake plate for photo shoot, always training light, and eating shit (flex and burger, nasser and sushi))
What's wrong with sushi?
Uschi mit der nassen Muschi
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He's asking a gimmick to ''say it to my face" hahahaha! now that's a meltdown.
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I am 250lbs now and I am not on anything.
Please, please remember what you have said on this board before.
I stopped using all gear in 2006, and I couldnt get any HCG OR Clomid, so I just said screw it.Wrong thing to do !!!!!! Very Very dumb.After about 6 months I was getting more tired often.After about a year I couldnt get a pump.After 2 years I lost my drive totally, I felt like shi%$ all the time.I went to a doctor who is a friend of mine.My testosterone levels were 118.Guys the average mans testosterone levels range from 250-850, if your 250 your still considered very low.I had the testosterone levels of a 10 year old boy.Beleive it or not I still weighed 238lbs, but I was flat as fu#$# and sore all the time.I got some help from my Doctor, and I gained 12 lbs in 2 weeks, and I felt better everyday.
And remember this thread, how right was I?! :D
For the last 2 1/2 years since I retired from competitive bodybuilding, I have been slacking.I would eat, 2 maybe 4 meals a day, if I was lucky. I would train 1,2, maybe 3 times per week, and some weeks I wouldnt even train at all.
I trainind for 23 yearts, so I maintained aot of my size, I weighed right around 238lbs.
I been eating steadily for 10 days, and I am already up to 247.7 lbs today.I training 4 times this week.
My goal is to get up to around 260lbs, and just styay lean and maintain that weight.
Forgot the most important part: making calls to the doc to up the HRT script. :D
Van, cant there be any peace, lol?
Do you still want to claim you're not on anything? :D Not even a cc of test and a little GH? Come on now, you bragged about knowing which compounding pharmacy Jay Cutler uses for his script items so why the hell wouldn't you be on? Come clean, keep it real. ;)
The "eating steadily" also includes steady injections of hormones. And the 260lbs requires another call to the HRT doc. See if he can prescribe an oxymetholone suspension. :D
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GH15 YOU CAN SEND ME A PM WITH THE PROOF. I WONT TELL ANYOOONE WHO YOU ARE JUST IF YOU'RE LEGIT OR NOT AND THATS A PROMISE. AND AS YOU NOTICED ON THIS FORUM I'VE NEVER LIED.
:D
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No need, Van_B already put him in his place. 8)
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No need, Van_B already put him in his place. 8)
Let's just hope he doesn't invite him to the broken jaw tavern ::)
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i can beleive it of some 'hollywood' pros who prance around.. i dont beleive it for one second for the likes of yates, he was anal about everything he done, ive got freinds who trained with him before he turned pro and he wasjust as meticolous back then...
ive competed, ive took masteron with tren, with a nice shot of suspension everyday too.. you still need to diet, maybe some dont need to go to the extremes of others, a close freind of mine was prepped by paul borresson, i seen what he had him eating and taking, and it was similar to what he had his other bodybuilders doin at the time,,, so im still calling bullshit
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thanks for that gh15.
So my questions regarding Dennis have been dismissed?
I would really like to know.
While you may be new around here, or at least a fairly new screen name, I'll update you on the "skinny:"
gh15= God Of hormones
gh does not like his identity to be know, hence why he posts under an alias, so that people continually guess who he is and can't say he is "so and so" for sure.
Many allegations have been made as to who gh15 really is. Nasser, Roland Czuirlock (however that's spelled!) and a few other names are usually thrown into the mix.
But Dennis James seems to be the name that constantly pops up, and whatever contest DJ appears in onstage, that's when gh15 disappears for awhile. Plus, gh15 always skirts the issues and/or questions regarding DJ....just like he has/is done/doing with you.
If you have some money to bet on who DJ is...er,,,, I mean gh15 is, I would say that DJ is a good guess. ;)
That is, if gh15 is even real. Accusations have been made to gh15 being a 15 year old kid making shit up too.
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Let's just hope he doesn't invite him to the broken jaw tavern ::)
SS, you seem like the type of guy who avoids those places....
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if gh15 is dj then who is dennis james?
While you may be new around here, or at least a fairly new screen name, I'll update you on the "skinny:"
gh15= God Of hormones
gh does not like his identity to be know, hence why he posts under an alias, so that people continually guess who he is and can't say he is "so and so" for sure.
Many allegations have been made as to who gh15 really is. Nasser, Roland Czuirlock (however that's spelled!) and a few other names are usually thrown into the mix.
But Dennis James seems to be the name that constantly pops up, and whatever contest DJ appears in onstage, that's when gh15 disappears for awhile. Plus, gh15 always skirts the issues and/or questions regarding DJ....just like he has/is done/doing with you.
If you have some money to bet on who DJ is...er,,,, I mean gh15 is, I would say that DJ is a good guess. ;)
That is, if gh15 is even real. Accusations have been made to gh15 being a 15 year old kid making shit up too.
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SS, you seem like the type of guy who avoids those places....
I dare you to say that to my face or we shall see...... now won't we, SS???????
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if gh15 is dj then who is dennis james?
Dennis James is the Walrus.
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I dare you to say that to my face or we shall see...... now won't we, SS???????
Throw hands much? ;D
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trenbolone ace
masteron
testosterone at medium range under 1 gram a week
eq
you can eat whatever you want on those profucts and body fat % will go down the longer youre on them ,,while muscle get thicker,,
mj15 approved
How long can you safely stay on tren? And why, unlike other injects, is it bad for your kidneys?
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Throw hands much? ;D
;D
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How long can you safely stay on tren? And why, unlike other injects, is it bad for your kidneys?
you can stay on it as logn as you want to be in shape like getny does friend
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jean texier, a bbing french journalist spent so many time in venice, and told many many time in french mag how much bber were lazy, using fake plate for photo shoot, always training light, and eating shit (flex and burger, nasser and sushi))
that is correct
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Care to respond?
yes,, you shoudnt have cancelleed the post so i could read it easy and not break my eyes
here is gh15 respond,,
getby YOU ARE A LIAR PIECE OF SHIT WANNA BE PROFESSIONAL YOU COULD NEVER MAKE IT IN IFBB EVEN IF YOU TURNED PRO BUT YOU COUDNT EVEN TURN PRO IN NPC WITH ALL THE DRUGS IN THE WORLD ,,
YOU CAME HERE TO THIS BOARD MANY TIMES WITH AGENDAS FROM THAT LOSER BROTHER THAT YOU SPONSORED I FORGOT HIS NAME BUT HE WAS POOR BLACK BODYBUILDER THAT YOUI SAID NEVER TOUCH DRUGS AND IS GENETIC MUTATION OR WHATEVER OTHER BULLCRAP YOU CLAIM EVERY MONDAY AND WED ,,I CANT EVEN REMEMBER HIS NAME THATS HOW BAD HE IS
THEN YOU ALWAYS COME PUSH YOUR SHITTY GARBAGE SUPPLEMENTS OF CREATINE THAT DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ,,YOU ALWAYS DO IT IN SOME WAY AND AGENDA LIKE MILOS,,
500$ I PEE IN MY SLEEP ON MY FIRST DREAM 500 DOLLARS ARE YOU FUCKIN WITH ME? I DONT LET ORDERS GO OUT UNLESS ITS 1 K ,,YOU HAVE LOST YORU MIND,,I DONT NEED YOUR MONEY KEEP IT I WONT SACRIFICE GH15 IDENTITY FOR YOUR SORRY LIEING ASS,,
ALSO THE ONE WHO TALK ABOTU BREAKING FACES AND THEN TALK ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IS LETS PUT IT ALL TOGETHER NOW....A L I A R PIECE OF SHIT ! YOU DONT BELIEV AND JESUS AND FIGHTS UNLESS YOURE A HIPOCRAT AND YOU SURE ARE
ALSO D BRA DOESNT MEAN SHIT,,BOOBS ARE FAT THATS IS GENETICS,,MUSCLE NOT SO MUCH AND NOT AT THE WEIGHT YOU CARRY AND BODY FAT% YOU CARRY
YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST HORMONIZED FELLAS THAT ACTUALLY LIE ABOUT IT IN THE OPEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS GETBIG BOARD,,YOU ACTUALLY GO AROUND AND PROUD OF YOUR LIES AND BULLCRAP
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANY ONE HERE BELIEVE YOU ARE CLEAN ? THINK ABOUT IT WH Y DONT YOU ASK THOSE FELLAS ,,,THGE MOEMNET YOU ASK THIS DONKY KONG AND GOATBOY AND ALL THOSE REGULARS ON THIS BOARD WILL TORN YOU A NEW ASSHOLE,,YOU THKN YOU CAN LIE TO THEM ? YOU LIE TO YOURSELF
THEY KNOW WHATS UP VERY WELL
ALSO NOT ONLY YOURE ON AAS BUT YOURE ALSO ON GROWTH HORMONE AND INSULIN !
FRIENDS NOW IM TALKIN TO YOU ,,NOT TO THIS LIAR PIECE OF SHIT,, THIKN ABOUT IT FRIENDS,,DO YOU SEE MANY GUYS WALKING AROUND ALL NATURAL 250 LB 8% ALL NATURALO AT 5'11 ?? HELL MAYBE IF 6'4 AND CLEAN FOR A MONTH MAYBE THEY CAN KEEP IT BUT THIS FELLA IS 5'11 NOT 6'4 AND EVEN THE 6'4 GUY WHO GOT THERE IN THIS CONDITION IS A USER OF HORMONES AND ONLY TAKE LITTLE BREAKS,,
THINK ABOUT IT FRIENDS,,THIS FELLA HERE SIT AND LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE AND THEN LIE AND THEN YOU GO AND BUY HIS SHIT?? I MEAN COMON HOW DUMB DOES HE THINK YOU ARE??
ITSX PATHETIC THAT I NEED TO EVEN ARGUE HIS STATUS WHEN ITS OBVIOUS THIS FELLA IS MAYBE 190LB CLEAN ,MAYBE! AND THATS ALSO AFTER A GOOD MEAL IN THE EVENING,,
THIS FELLA WOULD NOT SEE ANYTHING OVER 190-200LB AFTER BEING OFF HORMONES FOR 2 YEARS AND THOSE 190 WONT BE AT 8% TRY 12-15% AND THATS ONLY IF HE GET ON SOME MIMINAL HRT
YOU ARE DISMISSED GETBY YOU FUCKIN INFANTILE YOU ARE NOTHING IN MY WORLD BUT A WANNA BE
MJ15 APPROVED
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Did I miss what "MJ" stood for?
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michael jackson
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gh15, how long do you recommend staying on the test/eq/masterone/tren cycle for? And how long of a break would you recommend after? Should the next cycle be the same or switch it up?
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gh15, how long do you recommend staying on the test/eq/masterone/tren cycle for? And how long of a break would you recommend after? Should the next cycle be the same or switch it up?
we dont go off ,,if we go off it is for very short period of times ,,we change products all the time,,bodybuilder with no drugs = no bodybuilder you need to learn it ,,
why do you think you see all the getby amatuers in hospitals or you actually dont cause they hide it well they dont tell you where they go ,,but oh many of those amatuers are with no kidnys kidny failures,,dialasys ,,stomakc problems,, etc etc thats because they ABUSE THE PRODUCT inorder to get to 260 lb and never turn professional what can be more failure in life? wanting to be a professional using all the drugs in the world and ending like getby as a liar that coudnt make it into the pro ranks,,
mj15 approved
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Did I miss what "MJ" stood for?
it was a typo, he meant to write dj15.
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gh15 - what do you think of winstrol (stanozolol)? is it worth using?
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What is your take on IL-15 and how would you use it?
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What is your take on IL-15 and how would you use it?
This is a very good question
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Hey guys what is your impression of Taxi Cab Driver Lloyde England? A must watch 9/11 film
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html
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you can stay on it as logn as you want to be in shape like getny does friend
Sorry sir this is false. Tren is very liver toxic.
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Has anyone ever pissed upside down??????????????????????????????
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goddamn lifes odd questions posed,,inf ront of us its like sneezing and farting at the same time,,possible?
Has anyone ever pissed upside down??????????????????????????????
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Sorry sir this is false. Tren is very liver toxic.
Huh? Where did you hear that? I thought it was hard on the kidneys. When you say very liver toxic do you when dianabol toxic, anadrol toxic or on the level of halo?
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Sorry sir this is false. Tren is very liver toxic.
No evidence for this. I don't think it is.
I thought it was hard on the kidneys.
No hard, scientific data showing that. Doesn't mean it's not possible though. When a tren user gets in trouble is it the tren or the other stuff he's using? Is it something in the homebrew kits, the binders in the pellets or what? There isn't even a consensus on what causes the cough.
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GH15 : How long and how often do pro bodybuilder train ? Thank you.
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all you need is for him to say is from where he is posting
which he has done.
then you need a means to track his ip
which i have done. that's what this smilie is for >>>>(http://www.naturalmastersbodybuilding.com/laf.gif)
it's hosted on my server. all I had to do is correlate times of posts here
with my server logs and waalaa
then you would know what I know
all smilax baby
worth repeating.
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you can stay on it as logn as you want to be in shape like getny does friend
great ... use tren as long as you want ... oh boy ::)
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it was a typo, he meant to write dj15.
No,it is in honour of Michael Jackson
MJ15
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i used to look forward to gh15s posts,,,,, untill he went from calling tren 'garbage made from pellets' to hailing it as the best thing since sliced bread.... am i the only one who's not noticed this????
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What is your take on IL-15 and how would you use it?
None of you even know what it is, i take it?
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you must be massive then, with your secret drug!!!!!
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great ... use tren as long as you want ... oh boy ::)
another wanna be moron ,,i thought i only had one today ,,,yes you can be on it as long as you want as long as you dont abuse it like your sorry ass guys,,75mg every opther day and you can be on it for a long time,,
the problem is that your morons ABUSE IT ,,
we need to put limit on who can do bodybuilding because this shit is going into neverland too if we continue having fucktards like alimai and getny as part of this community friends,,
mj15 approved
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What is your take on IL-15 and how would you use it?
Do you have access to it? If so, you better figure out reconstitution before anything else otherwise it will be a terrible shame.
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;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51821.0;attach=53158;image)
alex23 looking ripped 8)
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another wanna be moron ,,i thought i only had one today ,,,yes you can be on it as long as you want as long as you dont abuse it like your sorry ass guys,,75mg every opther day and you can be on it for a long time,,
the problem is that your morons ABUSE IT ,,
we need to put limit on who can do bodybuilding because this shit is going into neverland too if we continue having fucktards like alimai and getny as part of this community friends,,
mj15 approved
I can understand your point
u r bitter cause I back up whatever I say and prove you are wrong and u just want to give away statements and say that is how it is cause I am a pro
but what I am saying dont give such open statements
instead of saying u can b on it as much as u want
just say the amount and the period
there are a lot of people who just follow what others say on boards
and (got 2 give it 2 u) you have a lot of people that u mesmerized and follow what u say by the letter so be a little responsible and have some credibility
I dont know who the hell you are nor would I be surprised if u r a regular wanna be or a gym rat
but giving away irresponsible and inaccurate info like this is WRONG
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I can understand your point
u r bitter cause I back up whatever I say and prove you are wrong and u just want to give away statements and say that is how it is cause I am a pro
but what I am saying dont give such open statements
instead of saying u can b on it as much as u want
just say the amount and the period
there are a lot of people who just follow what others say on boards
and (got 2 give it 2 u) you have a lot of people that u mesmerized and follow what u say by the letter so be a little responsible and have some credibility
I dont know who the hell you are nor would I be surprised if u r a regular wanna be or a gym rat
but giving away irresponsible and inaccurate info like this is WRONG
Why don't you tell us then, medically speaking, how long it's safe to stay on tren and what the specific risks with tren are.
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Why don't you tell us then, medically speaking, how long it's safe to stay on tren and what the specific risks with tren are.
Tren was not designed for Human ... and dont go more than 8 weeks for regular people ... as for the amount ... it depends on u history
Sides: it messes up the kidney
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Tren was not designed for Human ... and dont go more than 8 weeks for regular people ... as for the amount ... it depends on u history
Sides: it messes up the kidney
no steroid was designed for human use, not in the amountss that bodybuilders use...
equipoise isnt for humans yet i dont hear any 8 week limit for it...
any at all proof of any kidney damage from tren, any more so than any other steroid?
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no steroid was designed for human use, not in the amountss that bodybuilders use...
equipoise isnt for humans yet i dont hear any 8 week limit for it...
any at all proof of any kidney damage from tren, any more so than any other steroid?
parabolon was designed for human use so there should be some note of trials out there somewhere ???
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Tren was not designed for Human ... and dont go more than 8 weeks for regular people ... as for the amount ... it depends on u history
Sides: it messes up the kidney
What it's designed for doesn't matter. Is it kidney toxic and through what mechanism? That's the question. And as you know, Parabolan was designed for humans and I'm not aware of a kidney epidemic from its use.
8 weeks is just an arbitrary number you made up. Just like the 4 weeks dbol internet thing. Even the Akrihin package inserts said dbol was to be used for 8 weeks on/8 weeks off, 10-50mg/day.
Guru aliamini, how does tren cause kidney damage? I'm not a guru and I don't know so please help us all out. :)
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What it's designed for doesn't matter. Is it kidney toxic and through what mechanism? That's the question. And as you know, Parabolan was designed for humans and I'm not aware of a kidney epidemic from its use.
8 weeks is just an arbitrary number you made up. Just like the 4 weeks dbol internet thing. Even the Akrihin package inserts said dbol was to be used for 8 weeks on/8 weeks off, 10-50mg/day.
Guru aliamini, how does tren cause kidney damage? I'm not a guru and I don't know so please help us all out. :)
a rule of thumb is for liver and kidney toxic medication is 4-8 weex on and the same time off ... that is pharmaceutical standard
the Trenbolone that u buy these days are not human grade
that is y it can be more toxic that the old versions
now there are pros who use it for double the recommended
but most of them dont know what they are doing and follow the more is better principle
people who ask 4 advice on this board mainly r beginners
I know cause I get a lot of Pms
but I dont post them here to get attention
the new search studies on steroids is the purity of the substances in the market as quality is the major factor in the results if everything else is right (diet, training, rest)
there is no clear curriculum for these what is done in sports and specially bbing
but we have to follow the basics of pharmacology and know how things are made and what were they meant to do and y r we using it
hope this helps
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you know whats the beautiful thing about gh15 alimani? the beautiful thing is that gh15 leaves a long legacy that is shown here by my students followers and bodybuiling brothers ,,they simply just wiped the floor with you with out me needing to say a word ,,
this is what makes me the most satisfied because i see that what i did in 5 years produced results,,they just gave it to you right and left and for the begginer who come to read getbig ,,it will take about 20 to 30 min to understand gh15 was luke skywalker and sadly getny and few others were darth vaders,,thats how those greenies will see it in the future
see the way gh15 operate is ,,putting a lot of comical and mental relief into posting yet the information is solid hands on professional bodybuilder with many years behind
the immitators always fail because they do all the comical arrogant mental releif thingy but forget one simple thing,,they forget that you cant lie to fellow bodybuilders because at the end the truth will come out to them because they will too become big and know who was good and who was evil,,gh15 = good,,it wil forver be in their head gh15= good ask any bodybuilder that ever read gh15 ,,always good and true and respected for that ,,
mj15 approved
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YOU KNOW YOU JUST TALKED ALOT OF BULLSHEIT RIGHT THERE YOU SAID NOTHING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EVEN EQUATE WHAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED,,CMOPLETE FOOL RIGHT HERE,,yeah buddy i get alot of PMs also,but i dont post either ::) your talkign like a typical supplement manafture tyring to sell me some supplements time off = time on oh brother where did you get that one at the bodybuilding.com forums ::)
a rule of thumb is for liver and kidney toxic medication is 4-8 weex on and the same time off ... that is pharmaceutical standard
the Trenbolone that u buy these days are not human grade
that is y it can be more toxic that the old versions
now there are pros who use it for double the recommended
but most of them dont know what they are doing and follow the more is better principle
people who ask 4 advice on this board mainly r beginners
I know cause I get a lot of Pms
but I dont post them here to get attention
the new search studies on steroids is the purity of the substances in the market as quality is the major factor in the results if everything else is right (diet, training, rest)
there is no clear curriculum for these what is done in sports and specially bbing
but we have to follow the basics of pharmacology and know how things are made and what were they meant to do and y r we using it
hope this helps
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a rule of thumb is for liver and kidney toxic medication is 4-8 weex on and the same time off ... that is pharmaceutical standard
"pharmaceutical standard"? Never heard of this. Accutane? Used for months. Anadrol? 6 months minimum. On the other hand you have pain killers like paracetamol that should be used for 10 days max, unless used on doctors orders via prescription. I don't think there's any kind of "standard".
the Trenbolone that u buy these days are not human grade
that is y it can be more toxic that the old versions
In other words, you don't know. You don't know if it's kidney toxic and if it is by what mechanism. You do the guru thing well though, never admit to not knowing! It's better to give an answer, any kind of answer. "It's not human grade, that's why it's toxic" isn't any kind of real answer. By this logic all UG test and deca should be used for 4 weeks max as well.
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I have a mate who stayed on tren 100mg eod for a year and to cut a long story short his Doc requested he go for a second blood test as the first results were so messed up he couldnt beleive he was still alive ;D
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I have a mate who stayed on tren 100mg eod for a year and to cut a long story short his Doc requested he go for a second blood test as the first results were so messed up he couldnt beleive he was still alive ;D
How was it messed up and what else was he taking?
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How was it messed up and what else was he taking?
Nothing was in the normal range , not just a lil out but well out..
3OOMG test cyp or E not 100% sure on that but 300mg prop so a ml x 3 a week mixed with the tren.so not huge amounts ,
He was the one that got me interested in tren as the change in how he looked and strength was so rapid compared to other hormones.
I only ever stay on 6-8 weeks max and keep it at 3/4 to 1 ml max 3 times a week.but would love to stay on for ever ;D thats why I cant understand gh15 saying it is bunk and rubbish but now he is pushing it with every post regarding hormones ???
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Just the testosterone alone would put him way out of the normal range. Even at just 250mg/wk of omnas I was at 731 (forget what measurement they used) when the normal range was 75-120.
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Just the testosterone alone would put him way out of the normal range. Even at just 250mg/wk of omnas I was at 731 (forget what measurement they used) when the normal range was 75-120.
You still hooked onto steroids and gh15's nuts at your age, bro?
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Just the testosterone alone would put him way out of the normal range. Even at just 250mg/wk of omnas I was at 731 (forget what measurement they used) when the normal range was 75-120.
What you talking about bro? im talking lipids,liver function,kidneys blood pressure etc..test by it self doesnt do much to these readings in me but if i add orals they altar slightly..
You are mistaking free test levels correct? a ml of test e has me at 2 1/2 times more than the considered higher range..
Why he was sent for another blood test was the tren had messed up his profiles so bad they were worried about his life.
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in all serious book about steroid, specially book from 90's and from deutchland, trenbolone was very toxic for kidney, and the recommend cycle was only 152 mg of parabolan (2 amp of 76 mg)/week for 8 week. "you konw the juice is starting when you piss blood" said john defendis.
the top cycle according to the book was: sustanon 500mg/week, para 152 mg/week and adrol from 50 to 150 mg daily.
that was the "diamond stack", otday i think it would be considered as a middle stack...
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What you talking about bro? im talking lipids,liver function,kidneys blood pressure etc..test by it self doesnt do much to these readings in me but if i add orals they altar slightly..
You are mistaking free test levels correct? a ml of test e has me at 2 1/2 times more than the considered higher range..
Why he was sent for another blood test was the tren had messed up his profiles so bad they were worried about his life.
Ah, I see. Got it.
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- do pro-bodybuilders use aminoglutethimid (eg orimeten) as an atictabolic or is there any other field of application today?
- how do the pros manage to keep their musclemass when they are on tour and unable to train and eat and maybe even juice as usuall?
please answer gh
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is the identity of Gh15
any others?
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- the identity of BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT
- why did AleXXX disappear?
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is the identity of Gh15
any others?
Why people need gimmicks? ???
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Hows your hand
moosejay lax :D
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Why everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight ???
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Why people need gimmicks? ???
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LOL. Hey, I've told ya, already. Stay out of my line of fire. :D
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LOL. Hey, I've told ya, already. Stay out of my line of fire. :D
Very interesting talk...
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the fact that the mods are allowed to run roughshod through the G&O board: 'improving', deleating, and moving threads.........it almost like they are being instructed to sabatoge everything unique and interesting about this site.
oh, and why so many members have joined the site who appear to outwardly disdain everything about bodybuilding, and the culture it embodies ;) ;)
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ron avidan is more involved into what goes on on this board as we know of.
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Biggest mystery on Getbig? It's simple. One word...
' spotter. '
All we know is that he will appear in threads ripping away at Derek Anthony. Some say that he doesn't exist. Some here claim he is an inter-dimensional being who passes through different time warps and space at will. Some of the Getbig elders claim that he is Derek Anthony's other personality. Like in The Fight Club
Supposedly 240 knows the truth.
- Block!
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DOES ANY fella know how many licks does it take to get to the center of the lolipop?
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Vince G's training and nutrition log.
And what the hell did happen to alexxx?
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Vince G's training and nutrition log.
And what the hell did happen to alexxx?
he got smarter.
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is the identity of Gh15
any others?
Everyone knows who gh15 is. Nobody knows who Goatboy is! :D
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Everyone knows who gh15 is. Nobody knows who Goatboy is! :D
The drug addict that married a muslim whore? :D
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Does he eat the pussies of floridian supermodels?
That's me but i am trying to convince Debussey to come on over and chill on the beach 8)
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Dont compare COX blockers and NSAIDs to this protocol as they are not curing medication
they only make u not feel the pain (but it is there
i.e the problem is there)
anti biotic are different as well
some are taken only half a tab once, some for 5 days 2 caps, some for a week 3 caps a day, some for months, some once IM and some IV
sometimes once and some numerous times
each medication is taken differently but what I am saying is about the medication that are given on a long period of time
more than 4weeks
and that is medically speaking
not what people do
cause asthma medication was not designed for fat burning nor were diuretics for dropping weight
You probably never used tren or know anything abt it
the amount of time u can be on it is based on a lot of variables
yes people can stay on it for very long time
but u can never know unless u try
so is it worth the trying
maybe yes for bbers as they are in need of glory to prove to them selves that they exist
but thinking that u dont have a problem before using tren is deferent than actually not having a problem
as tren can worsen these cases and definitely long period of using it can be a big factor is a problem is there to begin with without the person knowing
Once u know how tren is made u will understand that
the sides of tren are dark urine elevated kidney enzymes, pain in the kidney, blood cells in urine (even if not visible to the naked eye) and at extreme cases u piss blood
so I wonder how it effects the kidney ::)
if u have tried it you would have understand what I am saying
As for the purity
once you know how it is made u will understand and the process of making it is a bit scary once u know that they are made in underground labs
as the shipment of the material before making it, the cleanliness of the whole facility and the filtering process plays a big role in that. And if u dont c Sediment in the bottle is doesnt mean it is not there
And just for the record coffee filter in a funnel is not the right way to go with it ... Hell
sometimes I think of making my own tren
at least I can do it in a lab with proper clean environment and proper sterile equipments.
And one more thing why do u think bodybuilders are getting pneumonia these day
and when u get tren coughs
what actually happens to your lungs??? These are the things that bodybuilders dont pay attention to nor know what hit them
they just inject with knowing what it actually is or what it might do on the long term
DX
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- the identity of BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT
- why did AleXXX disappear?
he's a big movie star now was in the movie 300
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the sides of tren are dark urine elevated kidney enzymes, pain in the kidney, blood cells in urine (even if not visible to the naked eye) and at extreme cases u piss blood
so I wonder how it effects the kidney
if u have tried it you would have understand what I am saying
NO NO AND AGAIN NO !
ONLY ABUSERS OF THE DRUG MAY HAVE THIS COMING THEIR WAY ! VERY FEW USE 200 MG EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR MONTHS OVER MONTHS,,
AT 100 MG A DAY NOTHING HAPPENS URINE IS LITTLE DEPPER YELLOW NOTHING SERIOUS LOOK ABSOLUTELY NORMAL AND FEEL ABSOLUTELY NORMAL ,,OFCOURSE DRINK WATER ALWAYS IN ANY CASE OFF AND ON TREN
THE KIDNEY IS NOT AFFECTED UNLESS ON VERY HIGH DOSES FOR VERY LOGN TIME,,,I BEEN ON TRNBOLONE FOR 3 MONTHS GETTING READY FOR LAST COMPETUITION AND EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT! SO STOP WITH THIS BALONIE ALAMANI,,I HAVE USED MORE FINA THAN YOU HAVE USED ALL HORMONES PUT TOGETHER ,,AND I ABUSED IT AND STILL EVERYTHING IS NORMAL FROM BLOOD TO URINE AND INBETWEEN ,,
THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE FELLAS WHO USE 200 MG A DAY AND DRINK A 6 PACK AFTER WORK AND DOTN DRINK WATER ENOUGH NO MATYTER WHAT THEY ARE ON,, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE FELLAS WHO DONT GET PURE POWDERS BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE GOOD SUPPLIERS,,THE PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU DO WHICH IS TRUE TO 50% OF GENERATION NOTHIGNESS WHEN IT COMES TO BODYBUILDING
mj15 approved
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when... if ever... are you going to reveal who you are?...
maybe when you retire from the stage...?
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GH do you like these guys?
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Dont compare COX blockers and NSAIDs to this protocol as they are not curing medication
they only make u not feel the pain (but it is there
i.e the problem is there)
anti biotic are different as well
some are taken only half a tab once, some for 5 days 2 caps, some for a week 3 caps a day, some for months, some once IM and some IV
sometimes once and some numerous times
each medication is taken differently but what I am saying is about the medication that are given on a long period of time
more than 4weeks
and that is medically speaking
not what people do
cause asthma medication was not designed for fat burning nor were diuretics for dropping weight
You probably never used tren or know anything abt it
the amount of time u can be on it is based on a lot of variables
yes people can stay on it for very long time
but u can never know unless u try
so is it worth the trying
maybe yes for bbers as they are in need of glory to prove to them selves that they exist
but thinking that u dont have a problem before using tren is deferent than actually not having a problem
as tren can worsen these cases and definitely long period of using it can be a big factor is a problem is there to begin with without the person knowing
Once u know how tren is made u will understand that
the sides of tren are dark urine elevated kidney enzymes, pain in the kidney, blood cells in urine (even if not visible to the naked eye) and at extreme cases u piss blood
so I wonder how it effects the kidney ::)
if u have tried it you would have understand what I am saying
As for the purity
once you know how it is made u will understand and the process of making it is a bit scary once u know that they are made in underground labs
as the shipment of the material before making it, the cleanliness of the whole facility and the filtering process plays a big role in that. And if u dont c Sediment in the bottle is doesnt mean it is not there
And just for the record coffee filter in a funnel is not the right way to go with it ... Hell
sometimes I think of making my own tren
at least I can do it in a lab with proper clean environment and proper sterile equipments.
And one more thing why do u think bodybuilders are getting pneumonia these day
and when u get tren coughs
what actually happens to your lungs??? These are the things that bodybuilders dont pay attention to nor know what hit them
they just inject with knowing what it actually is or what it might do on the long term
DX
Again, you are saying you know "how it's made" and that there's "sediment" in the powder etc. Why not explain what this "sediment" is and why it's kidney toxic?
And the cough, while it's more common with tren, can happen with other UG steroids as well. I've seen it. And in fact can happen with HG products too - it is described in male birth control studies with testosterone for example.
The dark urine is not necessarily blood. You can get dark urine almost immediately when starting steroids and I feel this is due to water retention. Not always liver or kidney problems. And some people claim different color urine is due to the binders in Fina pellets or whatever coloring the urine.
So you're saying tren itself isn't toxic. And since you say you've had products analyzed then do a favor to the community and explain in detail why UG tren powders are kidney toxic - what the kidney toxic compounds are and why this is something that only happens with trenbolone powder.
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Everyone knows who gh15 is. Nobody knows who Goatboy is! :D
Nobody cares
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Again, you are saying you know "how it's made" and that there's "sediment" in the powder etc. Why not explain what this "sediment" is and why it's kidney toxic?
And the cough, while it's more common with tren, can happen with other UG steroids as well. I've seen it. And in fact can happen with HG products too - it is described in male birth control studies with testosterone for example.
The dark urine is not necessarily blood. You can get dark urine almost immediately when starting steroids and I feel this is due to water retention. Not always liver or kidney problems. And some people claim different color urine is due to the binders in Fina pellets or whatever coloring the urine.
So you're saying tren itself isn't toxic. And since you say you've had products analyzed then do a favor to the community and explain in detail why UG tren powders are kidney toxic - what the kidney toxic compounds are and why this is something that only happens with trenbolone powder.
ya ya ... whatever u say
get back to me when u learn how to make ur own tren
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ya ya ... whatever u say
get back to me when u learn how to make ur own tren
aliamini, I have seen people make tren. I know some guys who've run UGLs and friends regularly brew their own tren. It's not rocket science. There are guides all over the internet for making shitty tren products, which is how most people brew their own. Even so, it's not as much a detriment as you make it out to be. If you abuse shitty tren then yes, what you say is 100% true. Bring those side effects down a notch and everything you say is about accurate. It's just no where near as dangerous as you make it out to be.
Everything you say = correct, except you've exaggerated everything too much. BTW, sounds like you're on too much tren or androgens right now. You're melting down, bro.
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finaplix-h
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ya ya ... whatever u say
get back to me when u learn how to make ur own tren
You do not know what you're talking about or you'd explain in detail. You'd tell us what the toxic compound is and you'd explain the mechanism behind kidney toxicity from tren. The only related info I've heard is a rumor about a toxic compound formed when manufacturing trenbolone enanathate but tren ace is the most popular one used and the one associated with all the horror stories.
I do not make tren or any other steroid nor do I know anything about hormone synthesis. I'm not a chemist. I do not know if tren or something within the UG trenbolone products is toxic and it seems you do not either. All you have given is some very vague claims. Why don't you map out the mechanism, if you do now it? Would cement your guru status for sure as I haven't seen the trenbolone kidney toxicity connection explained ANYWHERE in detail before.
Do you sell your trenbolone to clients only? What does it cost?
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If you abuse shitty tren then yes, what you say is 100% true.
What is it about the tren that makes it toxic to the kidney? Does this pertain to tren only or all other homebrew drugs?
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What is it about the tren that makes it toxic to the kidney? Does this pertain to tren only or all other homebrew drugs?
I'm no chemist either so don't quote me on this, but I suspect that it's from the heavy solvents used. PROPERLY made tren isn't bad at all. I have friends that abuse tren and have okay liver values and kidney function. However, so many of the UGLs out there absolutely blast their tren with BA and all that shit for sterility purposes. And that's because they're brewing that shit in a motel bath tub.
I tried some really shitty tren that made me break out in blisters all over. Filtered it and it was better, but still broke out. Got some fina online (pellets and cartridges) and brewed up some tren properly just following some douche bag guide on the internet and I was good to go. It takes a real bonehead to fuck something up as elementary as a tren kit.
Other blends like test/tren/masteron and other UGL "specials" can also be pretty brutal. I have a friend in another province who is an absolute guru. He used to post on the boards years ago and he explained it all to me. I haven't read a study or done much research in a long time but I don't have any reason not to believe him. Most UGL tren = shit. Home brewed tren isn't half as bad. Just goes to show how shitty most UGLs are out there.
When Bill's new book comes out, it's going to expose a lot of fuckers that need to have a bullet buried in their sorry asses. :)
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Can you lay out for us, getbiggers, the type of AAS cycles where diet matters less ??
I'm from japan GH15 and I admire you!!! we have many bodybuilders here ;)
thank you GH15!
please leave my name out
diet doesnt matter as lkong as protien is high enough when follow products is in blood
trenbolone ace
masteron
testosterone at medium range under 1 gram a week
eq
you can eat whatever you want on those profucts and body fat % will go down the longer youre on them ,,while muscle get thicker,,
the main secret of bodybuilders from mid 90s and on to this day is the use of trenbolone masteron testosteroen eq and growth hormone with all you can eat diet ,,thats why they also look like shit if they ate clean they woudl have better lines,,but to be big and ripped and dry with all you can eat diet of whatever you feel like you need trenbolne in it and masteron in it with tesosteroen and eq as a base
growth hormone for competetive bodybuilder at higher levels a must ofcourse
mj15 approved
Shut
the
fuck
up!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Shut
the
fuck
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
As usual great post !! ;)
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I'm no chemist either so don't quote me on this, but I suspect that it's from the heavy solvents used. PROPERLY made tren isn't bad at all. I have friends that abuse tren and have okay liver values and kidney function. However, so many of the UGLs out there absolutely blast their tren with BA and all that shit for sterility purposes. And that's because they're brewing that shit in a motel bath tub.
I tried some really shitty tren that made me break out in blisters all over. Filtered it and it was better, but still broke out. Got some fina online (pellets and cartridges) and brewed up some tren properly just following some douche bag guide on the internet and I was good to go. It takes a real bonehead to fuck something up as elementary as a tren kit.
Other blends like test/tren/masteron and other UGL "specials" can also be pretty brutal. I have a friend in another province who is an absolute guru. He used to post on the boards years ago and he explained it all to me. I haven't read a study or done much research in a long time but I don't have any reason not to believe him. Most UGL tren = shit. Home brewed tren isn't half as bad. Just goes to show how shitty most UGLs are out there.
When Bill's new book comes out, it's going to expose a lot of fuckers that need to have a bullet buried in their sorry asses. :)
Making tren isnt a big deal
that is y I said I would rather make mine cause I can make sure it will b good stuff
and no I dont make mine
nor do I sell steroids
I am not on a lot of tren
I am not using anything at all
nor have I lifted since mid April
but hey look at me i am still smiling ;D
The problem is when someone comes here and just wants to argue for the sake of arguing
what I said was it is kidney toxic
it doesnt mean it will melt ur kidney as soon as u use it
as I said the side effect factor is related to genetics and how your body can handle a certain compound
yes there are people who stay on it for very long time and there are people who get problems at low doses and for a short period of time
I had people stopping tren cause there nuts hurt
now that is not so common but there every one response differently to each drug
Yes what I said is when u get dark urine (on same amount of drinking water daily), ur kidney hurts & get blood cells in ur urine (even if it is not visible) then it is without having an MBBS- targeting the kidney
and some even get kidney pain because of that
What I said was advising some one to be on tren for as long as they want is risky and dangerous
staying 8-10 weeks is not a big deal at all
I had people on it for much longer time
but u cant apply that to everyone
Explaining how something is toxic is nothing that u can put on paper
Bills new book will talk about purity and contamination in the UG labs products
and as I said that is what plays a big role in the quality of gains these days
as u cant trust labels
As for BA
some speculate that that is the reason of the cough
but a lot of other drugs do use BA as well
. So it could be the combination of tren + BA
Even though I never had a cough issue with human grade products
again depends on what u define as human grade
as having something that is made in Thailand but says made in Italy or uses a name of a reputed brand but is made in a china doesnt define it as human if it says so
There are a lot of bodybuilders who stay on test all year around
nothing happens to them
but I never recommended that
as I said in one of my radio shows
I have a standard for what I use (how much & how long) and I follow as I see fit
now in some unorthodox cases taking drastic measures is a must
aging with caution
that is y non of the people I trained ever got sick or fainted back stage
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the cough is caused from when you nick a vein and the tren has time to travel to your lungs via your bloodstream and aromatizes causing bronchial irritation/cough
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Key word to avoid this is "Aspirate"
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Key word to avoid this is "Aspirate"
I really don't see how your opinion is relevant.
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he says inject in a vein
can u really do that and live to tell??
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Dont compare COX blockers and NSAIDs to this protocol as they are not curing medication
they only make u not feel the pain (but it is there
i.e the problem is there)
anti biotic are different as well
some are taken only half a tab once, some for 5 days 2 caps, some for a week 3 caps a day, some for months, some once IM and some IV
sometimes once and some numerous times
each medication is taken differently but what I am saying is about the medication that are given on a long period of time
more than 4weeks
and that is medically speaking
not what people do
cause asthma medication was not designed for fat burning nor were diuretics for dropping weight
You probably never used tren or know anything abt it
the amount of time u can be on it is based on a lot of variables
yes people can stay on it for very long time
but u can never know unless u try
so is it worth the trying
maybe yes for bbers as they are in need of glory to prove to them selves that they exist
but thinking that u dont have a problem before using tren is deferent than actually not having a problem
as tren can worsen these cases and definitely long period of using it can be a big factor is a problem is there to begin with without the person knowing
Once u know how tren is made u will understand that
the sides of tren are dark urine elevated kidney enzymes, pain in the kidney, blood cells in urine (even if not visible to the naked eye) and at extreme cases u piss blood
so I wonder how it effects the kidney ::)
if u have tried it you would have understand what I am saying
As for the purity
once you know how it is made u will understand and the process of making it is a bit scary once u know that they are made in underground labs
as the shipment of the material before making it, the cleanliness of the whole facility and the filtering process plays a big role in that. And if u dont c Sediment in the bottle is doesnt mean it is not there
And just for the record coffee filter in a funnel is not the right way to go with it ... Hell
sometimes I think of making my own tren
at least I can do it in a lab with proper clean environment and proper sterile equipments.
And one more thing why do u think bodybuilders are getting pneumonia these day
and when u get tren coughs
what actually happens to your lungs??? These are the things that bodybuilders dont pay attention to nor know what hit them
they just inject with knowing what it actually is or what it might do on the long term
DX
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Dont compare COX blockers and NSAIDs to this protocol as they are not curing medication
they only make u not feel the pain (but it is there
i.e the problem is there)
anti biotic are different as well
some are taken only half a tab once, some for 5 days 2 caps, some for a week 3 caps a day, some for months, some once IM and some IV
sometimes once and some numerous times
each medication is taken differently but what I am saying is about the medication that are given on a long period of time
more than 4weeks
and that is medically speaking
not what people do
cause asthma medication was not designed for fat burning nor were diuretics for dropping weight
You probably never used tren or know anything abt it
the amount of time u can be on it is based on a lot of variables
yes people can stay on it for very long time
but u can never know unless u try
so is it worth the trying
maybe yes for bbers as they are in need of glory to prove to them selves that they exist
but thinking that u dont have a problem before using tren is deferent than actually not having a problem
as tren can worsen these cases and definitely long period of using it can be a big factor is a problem is there to begin with without the person knowing
Once u know how tren is made u will understand that
the sides of tren are dark urine elevated kidney enzymes, pain in the kidney, blood cells in urine (even if not visible to the naked eye) and at extreme cases u piss blood
so I wonder how it effects the kidney ::)
if u have tried it you would have understand what I am saying
As for the purity
once you know how it is made u will understand and the process of making it is a bit scary once u know that they are made in underground labs
as the shipment of the material before making it, the cleanliness of the whole facility and the filtering process plays a big role in that. And if u dont c Sediment in the bottle is doesnt mean it is not there
And just for the record coffee filter in a funnel is not the right way to go with it ... Hell
sometimes I think of making my own tren
at least I can do it in a lab with proper clean environment and proper sterile equipments.
And one more thing why do u think bodybuilders are getting pneumonia these day
and when u get tren coughs
what actually happens to your lungs??? These are the things that bodybuilders dont pay attention to nor know what hit them
they just inject with knowing what it actually is or what it might do on the long term
DX
Did you say COCK BLOCKERS?
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Explaining how something is toxic is nothing that u can put on paper
You could if you knew.
Is it the solvents, is it the impurities in the powders, is it the tren itself? Just say it, you don't know. We know how orals cause liver problems but no one has explained how tren or UG tren products mess with your kidneys.
Again, I'm not saying people don't have problems with it but the why is a question mark still.
IMO if it causes you to piss blood after a few weeks it shouldn't be used at all, ever. Way, way too toxic.
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I suspect that it's from the heavy solvents used. PROPERLY made tren isn't bad at all.
Does tren require more solvents than other hormones? If it's the solvents then most UG products should cause the same problems. From my understanding most UG products contain a lot of solvents, especially since many are dosed so heavy.
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the cough is caused from when you nick a vein and the tren has time to travel to your lungs via your bloodstream and aromatizes causing bronchial irritation/cough
Yes, pulmonary microembolism is the proposed cause, but what does aromatization have to do with it?
Tolerability of intramuscular injections of testosterone ester in oil vehicle.
Mackey MA, Conway AJ, Handelsman DJ.
Andrology Unit, Royal Prince Alfred Hospital, Sydney NSW, Australia.
We undertook a prospective survey of the tolerability of deep i.m. injections of testosterone enanthate in a castor oil vehicle, the most widely used form of androgen replacement therapy. Over a period of 8 months, 26 men received 551 weekly injections into the gluteal, deltoid or thigh muscle and side-effects were recorded immediately and 1 week after each injection by the same nurse using a standardized questionnaire. Most injections caused no complaints [389/551, 70.6% (95% confidence interval 66.6-74.4%)] but minor local side-effects, mostly pain and bleeding, were common [162/551, 29.4% (25.6-33.4%)]; no serious side-effects were observed. Considering all side-effects, the gluteal site had fewer complaints and was less prone to bleeding but was painful more often than deltoid or thigh injection sites. The laterality of injection at any site had no significant effect on side-effects. The only systemic side-effect was episodes of sudden-onset, non-productive cough associated with faintness following eight injections [1.5% (0.6-2.9%)] which we speculate may have been due to pulmonary oil microembolism. We conclude that, when administered by an experienced nurse, deep i.m. injection of testosterone enanthate in a castor oil vehicle is generally safe and well tolerated but causes relatively frequent minor side-effects, including pain and bleeding. An improved depot form of testosterone would be highly desirable for androgen replacement therapy and hormonal male contraception.
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I really don't see how your opinion is relevant.
LMAO!
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Does tren require more solvents than other hormones? If it's the solvents then most UG products should cause the same problems. From my understanding most UG products contain a lot of solvents, especially since many are dosed so heavy.
Well because of the crude extraction methods and lack of care taken by most UGLs, they just add a lot more BA and use shitty, irritating solvents. I've also read something to do with tren and prostaglandins leading to the dreaded "tren" cough. It has nothing to do with nicking veins. Everyone nicks veins with other shit and nothing happens. Hell, some of us have injected IN a vein and while you cough, it's nothing like a tren induced cough.
I've come close to getting tren cough and get a mechanical taste emanating from my lungs and lingerings in the back of my throat and tongue. I think there's something in the tren that does it. Perhaps it has a synergy with the BA because I noticed the more BA, the more that happens. But I've shot other stuff with BA and had no weird tren cough/irritation - although I did break out in hives.
Your guess is really as good as mine. I'll still run some UGL tren but when given the opportunity, I'd rather brew some up with some friends and get 5 times the amount for the same money. I'm lacking some of the equipment, filters and sterile vials and whatnot so I can't brew any for my up and coming cycle. I don't go longer than 8 weeks though due to prolactin concerns. I still bang like a champ but I really need to bang back the AIs to keep my chest from puffing up. I'm hoping to get my glands removed so I don't have to deal with this shit anymore. Don't think I'll need lipo though. It's not visible unless I'm on estrogenic steroids with a ton of water retention thankfully. Still a concern in the back of my mind though.
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it seems as if aliamini is under the impression that the only way to make tren is to use vet pellets...
aliamini how do the vet companies make the pellets then? do they buy pellets from another manufcturer and extract thos pellets then use that raw tren t make their own pellets?
but then.. where did that other manufacturer get their pellets :o :o :o a mystery as mysterious as the origins of the cosmo's..
;D
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Alright, so I asked William Llewellyn about the tren/kidney connection and this is what he says:
Trenbolone has been studied very minimally in humans, so we don't have a definite answer to point to. I speculate that the urine discoloration is due to the rust colored (oxidized) metabolites of trenbolone. This compound seems to oxidize to a dark rust color very easily, even under refrigeration. The discolored urine tends to happen often, with no signs of renal toxicity. Also, trenbolone acetate is still widely used in animals for carcass weight increase. There seems to be no mention of kidney toxicity in animals, or with the few historical human trenbolone preparations. If there were some issues, I think it would TA would have been replaced with other safer medications long ago. One animal has a lot of meat, and is worth a lot of money.
I think this fact should put it into perspective: We have this debate constantly. How often, however, do we hear of a bodybuilder with actual kidney damage? .Issues with the kidneys are uncommon. When they do appear, they tend to be related to excess muscle damage (rhabdomyolysis), severe liver toxicity, or high blood pressure, not trenbolone
Trenbolone is somewhat liver toxic. A steroid does not have to be methylated to impart toxicity. It just needs to resist hepatic breakdown enough to exhibit a substantial degree of activity in the liver.
Primobolan, for example, has even raised liver enzymes in some studies.
http://www.bodyofscience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5918
So, he thinks it isn't kidney toxic and what some think is blood in the urine is actually just a metabolite of tren coloring the urine. He thinks it can be somewhat liver toxic though.
aliamini, feel free to comment.
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I always feel free to comment 8)
Billy gathered info from all around
but he still a lot of the things that he says are based on his personal opinion
if he thinks it is not kidney toxic it doesnt make it so ... if the urine color changes as the color of the oil it doesnt mean that is the reason
as they are different shades of Yellow
where in urine it is changed according the amount of water and concentration of toxins
it is not an oral Vitamin B
Tren as a substance might and should not have any effect of the kidney (unless from a hypertension stand point)
but the price of it these days indicates how it is made
as it is price is very close to test
where the process of making it is costs much more
it is not as cheap as Test or Deca
but the price indicates that every one is using the pellet dissolving protocol
Even though tren is very similar to nandrolone
it is not made is the same process as nandrolone is driveded from Test (other wise it would have cost 4 times more than Test)
the sediments in the solution is what actually pases the kidney
and as I told u b4
if u take Oxymetholone for 5 moths without any Problem or elevated Liver Enzymes
it doesnt make it non-liver toxic
it all ends up in the subject genetics and how his body reacts to certain substances
due to the lack of test subjects & interest in the medical community in this regards you cant find evidence about it
but knowing hat you have sediments, dark urine and kidney pain in some subjects you can know that it is effecting the kidney even though some can use it for long time without sides.
Liver enzymes metabolites are very similar to Muscle break down metabolites
so when testing for that (especially with he old equipments) you will see an elevation in the liver enzymes even if you are not using any 17AA or any methylated compound.
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pellets are very rarely used for tren compounds now a days.. why would one use pellets when the pharm powder is easily obtained..
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Billy gathered info from all around
but he still a lot of the things that he says are based on his personal opinion
if he thinks it is not kidney toxic it doesnt make it so ...
It doesn't make it so for certain but Bill is forming an opinion from all currently available data. You on the other hand have opinions based on fuck all.
I always feel free to comment 8)
the sediments in the solution is what actually pases the kidney
but knowing hat you have sediments, dark urine and kidney pain in some subjects you can know that it is effecting the kidney even though some can use it for long time without sides.
1: what is a "sediment" in this case? How can you say this "sediment" passes the kidney and is toxic?
2: "kidney pain" is often muscular in origin. This doesn't mean kidney pain doesn't happen, just that it's often something else. Lots of guys think dbol gives them "kidney pain" and it has nothing to do with the kidneys in most cases.
Everyone is using pellets? That's absolutely ridiculous. The APIs ordered from countries like China are made from American Finaplix pellets? You have got to be kidding me.
This guy is a guru? ??? :-X
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U dont know what u r talking abt
you just want to argue
u r a guy who recomands taking 250iu of HCG every week
I dont know y I am even reasoning with u
what do u think pellets are made and in what form do they mix the pellets with the oil
they are the same thing but different form
but the key is in
pellets are legal and powder are illegal ::)
my opinion are based on fuck!!! :o No
my opinion are based on what people face
u r just a gym rat who thinks he know everything cause he read bunch of studies
it is much more to it than that
dont hate THE GAME if ur a bad player 8)
and of course ... what was i suppose to expect from a guy with over 6000 posts ;D
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Kidneys DO NOT have pain nerves. Let's be clear about that. The pain is often caused by an inflamation of tissue around the kidney or enlargement of the kidney (from inflamation, disease or tumor) and pressing upon tissue around the kidney that does have pain nerves.
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ask anyone who had Kidney stones and he will tell u what kidney pain means
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ask anyone who had Kidney stones and he will tell u what kidney pain means
that's not a pain in the kidneys themselves. are you that reckless with people's health that pay you? or are you just stupid and don't know any better? or maybe you do know better and don't really care because the idiots PAY YOU for advice and you are more than happy to take advantage of their ignorance.
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i say the facts of what peopel face ... and suddenly evryone is an expert ... wooow
i got teh guts to post my opinions ... and revel who i am
ur just bunch of people who want to argue for no reason
good luck with that
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alia-has-no-weeny = OWNED
still pursisting with the dumb "all tren is made from pellets" bullshit too...
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i say the facts of what peopel face ... and suddenly evryone is an expert ... wooow
i got teh guts to post my opinions ... and revel who i am
ur just bunch of people who want to argue for no reason
good luck with that
I merely point out a PHYSIOLOGICAL FACT and you claim that I'm arguing with you for no reason. See, Aliamini, you are one of the major things that is wrong with bodybuilding. You are someone with obviously very little medical knowledge and you pass yourself off as some sort of an expert in the administration of drugs that have serious consequences on the body. And you do so in complete disregard for those consequences. You prey on the ignorance of other people for your own personal gain. In reality, you are no better than the street corner drug dealer slinging 8-balls. Hopefully, you will end up like one of those drug dealers.
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aliamini, the best thing to do is walk away lol
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U dont know what u r talking abt
you just want to argue
u r a guy who recomands taking 250iu of HCG every week
I dont know y I am even reasoning with u
what do u think pellets are made and in what form do they mix the pellets with the oil
they are the same thing but different form
but the key is in
pellets are legal and powder are illegal ::)
my opinion are based on fuck!!! :o No
my opinion are based on what people face
u r just a gym rat who thinks he know everything cause he read bunch of studies
it is much more to it than that
dont hate THE GAME if ur a bad player 8)
and of course ... what was i suppose to expect from a guy with over 6000 posts ;D
You are a complete retard. The game you're in I don't want any part of, which is the drug dealing game.
There's three words I use quite often - I don't know. So no, I don't think I know everything. You on the other hand have no problem spewing a bunch of bullshit as if it were fact. Like you said in an interview on bb.com the athletes you work with come from low level educational backgrounds. That's the reason your "game" works. You prey on the ignorant as em1964 said.
You can't explain what "sediment" is.
You can't explain why Finaplix and tren powder are the same and contain "sediments".
You can't argue why doing low dose HCG is bad.
You don't want to discuss the specifics of these things because it would show how little you really know.
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ask anyone who had Kidney stones and he will tell u what kidney pain means
OMG.You surely failed your medical exam.
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that's not a pain in the kidneys themselves. are you that reckless with people's health that pay you? or are you just stupid and don't know any better? or maybe you do know better and don't really care because the idiots PAY YOU for advice and you are more than happy to take advantage of their ignorance.
he's stupid. Plain and simple.
I thought that was clear.