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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: asianmyth on July 03, 2009, 10:08:34 PM
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i was just going through their web not a single contestant worth to get a 2nd look.i still don't understand what these sort of fedrations are trying to prove or accomplish.they are as worth less as tits on the board.
what ifbb is doing how can any jack ass fed put some loser's in one place and callled it world or universe championship.
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are you serious?? now i have not looked at ALL this years competetiors, but its fair to say a LOT of muscle mania guys end up npc and ifbb pro......
and i may be wrong, but mania is not ifbb...they call it WORLD, but its arbitrary....
the real and only joke with mania is them trying to portray it as NATURAL.....most none those bitches that win are natty...come on....i have known a lot of em....
sad thing is....some really are.....and think its a natty show....WTF?
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"loosers"?
"tits on the board"?
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are you serious?? now i have not looked at ALL this years competetiors, but its fair to say a LOT of muscle mania guys end up npc and ifbb pro......
and i may be wrong, but mania is not ifbb...they call it WORLD, but its arbitrary....
the real and only joke with mania is them trying to portray it as NATURAL.....most none those bitches that win are natty...come on....i have known a lot of em....
sad thing is....some really are.....and think its a natty show....WTF?
i was going through their current pro list.it is hard to believe that any of em could get into even npc forget about ifbb pro.can u name any of their contestant who did well in npc or ifbb.
of course any drug testing involve in bodybuilding show is scheme.whome they are fooling with.
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they are liars more than anything else
"natural", my foot ::)
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"loosers"?
"tits on the board"?
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technically speaking both meant bodybuilders......
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"loosers"?
"tits on the board"?
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were you referring to my post with that??
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swampi the cocksmith was a musclemania pro after he was kicked out off IFBB amateur for failing drug tests 3 times, yet he still claims natural ::) ::) ::) musclemania is a bullshit fed just like FAME ::)
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i was going through their current pro list.it is hard to believe that any of em could get into even npc forget about ifbb pro.can u name any of their contestant who did well in npc or ifbb.
of course any drug testing involve in bodybuilding show is scheme.whome they are fooling with.
Actually Dennis Newman and Melvin Anthony were former Muscle Mania guys too that went on to IFBB pro ranks.There were a few others but can't recall names.
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"loosers"?
A "looser" would be the opposite of a "tighter".
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swampi the cocksmith
Whoever originally came up with that moniker is a genius. I LOL everytime I read it! ;D
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Actually Dennis Newman and Melvin Anthony were former Muscle Mania guys too that went on to IFBB pro ranks.There were a few others but can't recall names.
good call, didnt want to think that much.....
although dennis and melvin were NOT TOP of the tier pros, they were still decent none the less and came from the mania ranks.....
honestly most of the better guys skip mania, because
1. NPC is the only road to ifbb pro.....dont matter how many Natural pro titles you got (and there are like a billion of em) you aint a REAL pro till u an ifbb pro...
2.mania would be a round about way of going pro anyway.....why do that show if you are good enough to do usa or jr nats or nats?
no offence but in regards to super schmoeieng or whatever you guys call it here, mania is the king that ....all those guys just wanna be "models",,,lol
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bunch of lying bastards........ fuckin hate the lot of them
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bunch of lying bastards........ fuckin hate the lot of them
Most of them have shitty genetics or shitty genetic response to gear or both, so they'll never be pros, so they stick to short-acting esters, come off the gear before a show, and take the fake "natural" route in hopes of making a name for themselves.
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saucerdomus or whatever his name is on this board claims musclemania comps are tested
lmao ;D ;D ;D
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Most of them have shitty genetics or shitty genetic response to gear or both, so they'll never be pros, so they stick to short-acting esters, come off the gear before a show, and take the fake "natural" route in hopes of making a name for themselves.
Yea trophy chasers like vince goodrum ;D
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thats the term i was looking for... trophy hunters.... arent man enough to step up and face real competition
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i was going through their current pro list.it is hard to believe that any of em could get into even npc forget about ifbb pro.can u name any of their contestant who did well in npc or ifbb.
of course any drug testing involve in bodybuilding show is scheme.whome they are fooling with.
Englii iiii s no yu fust langua(g)e id nit? Learn to speak to us before you post here you fucking fishhead!
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Englii iiii s no yu fust langua(g)e id nit? Learn to speak to us before you post here you fucking fishhead!
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if u have nothing to say about the topic shutp up and get out.
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Most of them have shitty genetics or shitty genetic response to gear or both, so they'll never be pros, so they stick to short-acting esters, come off the gear before a show, and take the fake "natural" route in hopes of making a name for themselves.
you sum it up quite well.
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These federations are actually very good for the sport and to improve the quality of federations’ services … one dominating federation (monopoly) will result in athlete’s slavery and crucifying them when they are not wanted (for personal, political or technical reason)
A lot of good guys have come out of these federations and some of them turned pro and are in top 10 Olympia … however … once they get enough exposure and know they can do better … they cross to IFBB where the real playground is
More federations means more options for the athletes (shows, prize money, status … etc) … specially if they get alienated by the IFBB … through other federation they can make name for themselves + get exposure nationally and internationally …
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if u have nothing to say about the topic shutp up and get out.
Watch your mouth, convict.
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These federations are actually very good for the sport and to improve the quality of federations’ services … one dominating federation (monopoly) will result in athlete’s slavery and crucifying them when they are not wanted (for personal, political or technical reason)
A lot of good guys have come out of these federations and some of them turned pro and are in top 10 Olympia … however … once they get enough exposure and know they can do better … they cross to IFBB where the real playground is
More federations means more options for the athletes (shows, prize money, status … etc) … specially if they get alienated by the IFBB … through other federation they can make name for themselves + get exposure nationally and internationally …
I can agree on that but they should stop with the natural bs cause it's not a natural org..
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saucerdomus or whatever his name is on this board claims musclemania comps are tested
lmao ;D ;D ;D
If they were not tested then how would swampi the cocksmith fail 3 times and get kicked out? I don't necessairly know if thats true or not as i'm unfamiliar with Sami's contest history. I've only competed in one show before and that was Musclemania. The reason being - I figured I wouldn't waste my time doing a local show where the competition wasn't as good so I tried my hand at their show in Vegas. There was testing but I have no idea how truthful they are about going about it.
My question is this...
What is the best Natural federation to compete in which all you guys think is truthful about their testing?
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My question is this...
What is the best Natural federation to compete in which all you guys think is truthful about their testing?
There is none. You think these natural orgs even have the funds for legitimate testing? Nope, the samples are just poured down the drain, except when they want some athlete out of their org due to some dispute etc.
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There is none. You think these natural orgs even have the funds for legitimate testing? Nope, the samples are just poured down the drain, except when they want some athlete out of their org due to some dispute etc.
I have no idea.. but what about the two orgs Layne competes in?
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I have no idea.. but what about the two orgs Layne competes in?
I asked Layne about where the money comes from for testing. He says the competitors pay a few bucks for this, can't recall the exact figure but it wasn't much. That right there is proof that there's no testing as testing is pretty damn expensive. At best they could do a cheap ass test that looks for 8 or so common steroids but that leaves tons of shit you can use.
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I asked Layne about where the money comes from for testing. He says the competitors pay a few bucks for this, can't recall the exact figure but it wasn't much. That right there is proof that there's no testing as testing is pretty damn expensive. At best they could do a cheap ass test that looks for 8 or so common steroids but that leaves tons of shit you can use.
they have you piss in the cup but thats about as far as it goes for testing
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There is none. You think these natural orgs even have the funds for legitimate testing? Nope, the samples are just poured down the drain, except when they want some athlete out of their org due to some dispute etc.
the proper procedure for testing is as i mentioned in my article
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bodybuilding_drug_testing.htm
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the proper procedure for testing is as i mentioned in my article
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bodybuilding_drug_testing.htm
I don't think any of the natural orgs even claim they use WADA procedure. Way out of their budget.
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"Natural organizations" are not for "natural" bodybuilders. They are for roided-out bodybuilders with weak response to hormones and sub-par receptors.
If they had the receptors and response of a Heath or Coleman, they'd have been in the NPC/IFBB.
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Vanbliderass, there is one really good natural organization that polygraphs all there competitors, then urine tests the winners.Its called the ABA, Its owned and Run by a big Greek Guy ,Denny Kakos.He hies a Polygraph ytester who does all the testing for the FBI.Each contestant has to shell out $50 for there polygraph.This guy catches atleast 1-2 liars in each contest.I took some ephdra before the polygraph test back in 1995,when it was legla and allowed by natural organizations and I actually failed the test.They retested me 2 hours later when the ephedra wore off, and I passed.Some really well known natural athletes, have went into the ABA and failed the test, and got kicked out of the organization.
The president Denny Kakos is such a stickler, that if you fail the test, or urine test, he posts your name on the website, as a failed athlete.Talk about humiliation,lol.
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I don't think any of the natural orgs even claim they use WADA procedure. Way out of their budget.
the IFBB does/claim
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the IFBB does/claim
Yeah I didn't even count the IFBB as a natural org and I don't think anyone else does either. :D
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Vanbliderass, there is one really good natural organization that polygraphs all there competitors, then urine tests the winners.Its called the ABA, Its owned and Run by a big Greek Guy ,Denny Kakos.He hies a Polygraph ytester who does all the testing for the FBI.Each contestant has to shell out $50 for there polygraph.This guy catches atleast 1-2 liars in each contest.I took some ephdra before the polygraph test back in 1995,when it was legla and allowed by natural organizations and I actually failed the test.They retested me 2 hours later when the ephedra wore off, and I passed.Some really well known natural athletes, have went into the ABA and failed the test, and got kicked out of the organization.
The president Denny Kakos is such a stickler, that if you fail the test, or urine test, he posts your name on the website, as a failed athlete.Talk about humiliation,lol.
I don't "believe" in the polygraph. I believe the main way the polygraph works is by tricking the athlete into admitting drug use by their own volition (thinking the polygraph will catch them anyway).
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I don't "believe" in the polygraph. I believe the main way the polygraph works is by tricking the athlete into admitting drug use by their own volition (thinking the polygraph will catch them anyway).
Spot on Bilderass..or just throw away the results and say "you passed".
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Stan Mcquay and Mark Alvisi started in Musclemania. They do test. Look at all the guys who fail the testing these days , it tells you on their site who fails and get DQ.
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Stan Mcquay and Mark Alvisi started in Musclemania. They do test. Look at all the guys who fail the testing these days , it tells you on their site who fails and get DQ.
Link?
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A "loser" would be the opposite of a "gainer". a lot of "hard-gainers" here on Getbig ;D
btw,Indonesian Ade Rai is one of the best MuscleMania bodybuilders in 1990s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB40qHOWpq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB40qHOWpq4)
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Link?
Musclemania.com Click on results and look at this years MM universe. It who shows the pros and open BB that got DQ. It use to be alot more than this because people would here that MM didn't really test so they would go to the show trying to cheat and they got caught. Now I quess they have to beat the test like alot of athletes.
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Stan Mcquay and Mark Alvisi started in Musclemania. They do test. Look at all the guys who fail the testing these days , it tells you on their site who fails and get DQ.
hi if big ass fed like ifbb cant afford to test top 5 finalist in each class.how this tiny tit fed can do it.Disqualifying few bodybuilders is just an old trick ifbb using from years at world championship to promote their natural image.
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These federations are actually very good for the sport and to improve the quality of federations’ services … one dominating federation (monopoly) will result in athlete’s slavery and crucifying them when they are not wanted (for personal, political or technical reason)
A lot of good guys have come out of these federations and some of them turned pro and are in top 10 Olympia … however … once they get enough exposure and know they can do better … they cross to IFBB where the real playground is
More federations means more options for the athletes (shows, prize money, status … etc) … specially if they get alienated by the IFBB … through other federation they can make name for themselves + get exposure nationally and internationally …
what about other sports like gymanstic,weightlifing,foot ball etc.they all seems to be running well under one world wide fed and what money u talking about they just give out those stupid plastic trophies.
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A "loser" would be the opposite of a "gainer". a lot of "hard-gainers" here on Getbig ;D
btw,Indonesian Ade Rai is one of the best MuscleMania bodybuilders in 1990s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB40qHOWpq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB40qHOWpq4)
Ade Rai was not natural, neither was Ken Yasuda who still claims to be natural and to be a world champion ::) and as for the movies he ''acts'' in ::) ::) ::)
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No such thing as natural...maybe clean on the day of the comp is more appropriate LOOOL!!! ;D
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the moment you understand that sami is a 152 lb 12% fella with out hormones ,,is the momne you understand bodybuilding,,
do you really think alimani doesnt know it ? he is playing with the truth to his benefit and twisting it ,,not to forget they all try to make a buck out of bodybuilding,,
listen to the number i mtellin you here
sami = 150lb at 12% BODYFAT WITH OUT HORMONES FOR A YEAR +
steve namet = 160lb on a good wet day at 12% with out hormones for a year +
pay attention to the body fat % notice i dont say 7% i say 12% because thats what they would be at those weights while TRULEY clean for over a year
dont ever belive a thing a bodybuilder tell you to your face ,,it is always a lie ALWAYS
mj15 approved
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the moment you understand that sami is a 152 lb 12% fella with out hormones ,,is the momne you understand bodybuilding,,
do you really think alimani doesnt know it ? he is playing with the truth to his benefit and twisting it ,,not to forget they all try to make a buck out of bodybuilding,,
listen to the number i mtellin you here
sami = 150lb at 12% BODYFAT WITH OUT HORMONES FOR A YEAR +
steve namet = 160lb on a good wet day at 12% with out hormones for a year +
pay attention to the body fat % notice i dont say 7% i say 12% because thats what they would be at those weights while TRULEY clean for over a year
dont ever belive a thing a bodybuilder tell you to your face ,,it is always a lie ALWAYS
mj15 approved
Are you Dennis James??? :-X
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i wouldn't call them losers....
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i wouldn't call them losers....
liars would be a better term for them
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Musclemania gives some money for the 1st place for the Universe … US$5000 prior to 9/11 and US$1000 after that … now if you get paid or not it is a different story
The Battle of Giants pays well too and some new shows that got formed in Norway, Italy and France after the PDI are paying in cash and very well … and a lot of the times some of the bbers just look for attention + achievements
I AM NOT HIDING THE TRUTH … ASI SAID B4 THERE ISNOTHING CALLED “Natural BBing” it is either tested or not tested
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"Natural organizations" are not for "natural" bodybuilders. They are for roided-out bodybuilders with weak response to hormones and sub-par receptors.
If they had the receptors and response of a Heath or Coleman, they'd have been in the NPC/IFBB.
QFT, because it bears repeating :P
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you know, back in the 1960s and into the 1970s, the amateur IFBB was a minor organization. Many fans and athletes like you would say "Why bother competing in the IFBB? The real competition is in the AAU."
and the concept of "coming up through the ranks of MuscleMania" doesn't really apply. Most athletes in MuscleMania events have also entered other org's events. Because of a 1982 lawsuit between the NPC and the AAU, there can be no repercussions for entering events of other organizations. While the NPC is the dominate amateur org in the US, many athletes also enter non-NPC events because they're the ones happening in their region. There are many places in the US where there is only one or two local NPC event in a year.
MuscleMania is popular with latino athletes because the events get televised throughout Latin America.
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you know, back in the 1960s and into the 1970s, the amateur IFBB was a minor organization. Many fans and athletes like you would say "Why bother competing in the IFBB? The real competition is in the AAU."
and the concept of "coming up through the ranks of MuscleMania" doesn't really apply. Most athletes in MuscleMania events have also entered other org's events. Because of a 1982 lawsuit between the NPC and the AAU, there can be no repercussions for entering events of other organizations. While the NPC is the dominate amateur org in the US, many athletes also enter non-NPC events because they're the ones happening in their region. There are many places in the US where there is only one or two local NPC event in a year.
MuscleMania is popular with latino athletes because the events get televised throughout Latin America.
Tim, didn't you say no one has been stripped of a MM title due to failing a drug test?
What do you make of the "failures" on the MM website?
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Tim, didn't you say no one has been stripped of a MM title due to failing a drug test?
No, I said that about Team Universe. I have many DQs noted on MuscleMania contests at musclememory.com
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No, I said that about Team Universe. I have many DQs noted on MuscleMania contests at musclememory.com
Tim, what in your mind is the most respected natural organization?
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Tim, what in your mind is the most respected natural organization?
depends on what you mean by respected. The WNBF really does try to have drug free shows, but they lost my respect when they started banning for life guys who entered contests of other orgs, or appeared in other magazines.
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Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.
Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.
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In Indonesia,99% peoples do't know who is Jay Cutler,Ronnie...but almost everyone know Ade Rai !
If you don't believe,ask the locals when you travel in Indonesia.
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while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). .
Delino Dixon
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...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc).
::)
Everyone's a comedian nowadays :-X
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Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc).
I really don't think any of these guys were truly drug free before or after musclemania. you've already said that its easy to get around drug testing, and whether they're trying to do drug testing now, we know for years they really didn't. you also imply that some of these guys first did musclemania, then moved over to the npc, while many competed in both at the same time.
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In Indonesia,99% peoples do't know who is Jay Cutler,Ronnie...but almost everyone know Ade Rai !
If you don't believe,ask the locals when you travel in Indonesia.
Adi rai who.......the only malysian bb most of people know is malik Noor.......
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Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.
Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.
so u telling us Maquay,curry,decker and sami were natural when they competed in musclemaniac.......and u want evey body belive ur bullshit.sami was banned by ifbb at asian championship.that is why he competed in musclemaniac.
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Adi rai who.......the only malysian bb most of people know is malik Noor.......
It's true
In Malysia most of people know Malik Noor,2 or 3 times former IFBB Asia Men's heavy-weight champion.
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depends on what you mean by respected. The WNBF really does try to have drug free shows, but they lost my respect when they started banning for life guys who entered contests of other orgs, or appeared in other magazines.
They fucked over very badly Dave 'Texas Shredder' Goodin, their top guy and a very, very classy guy. He was in Iron MAn and they banned him for life.
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yeah they have a mania for big and hard muscle
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They fucked over very badly Dave 'Texas Shredder' Goodin, their top guy and a very, very classy guy. He was in Iron MAn and they banned him for life.
Why would they ban him for being in Ironman. I think you are referring to that Natural BB federation that Fogerty was talking about WNBF--not Musclemania.
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I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.
For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.
Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.
Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)
Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.
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Why would they ban him for being in Ironman. I think you are referring to that Natural BB federation that Fogerty was talking about WNBF--not Musclemania.
Yes, my bad.
Still, a very shitty move on a very good guy.
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I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.
Why not? Seriously? Why limit yourself...unless you are Gh15...
For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.
Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.
Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)
You are delusional. These guys used from the get go.
Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.
WNBF and INBF are the worst...all drugs
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Whoever originally came up with that moniker is a genius. I LOL everytime I read it! ;D
lol.
+1
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Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.
Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.
"Stayed natural"...you, sir, are a buffoon.
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Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.
Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)
Sod off, I say. You are either delusional or a prevaricator. :P
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Sod off, I say. You are either delusional or a prevaricator. :P
he has almalgamated both unsavory characteristics to present a whole, new, psychotic personage
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Sorry for butting in gentlemen, but, what is the precise definition of a cocksmith?
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I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.
For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.
Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.
Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)
Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.
after all those years of competing u still don't get it.Ronnie or Kai or other pro bodybuilders could not make dramatic gains as armatures cuz they could not afford to pay for large dosage of steroids and GH.armature means low dosage of steroid without GH or insulin.as soon as they turn pro and start making money boom they explode cuz they can afford to buy large quantity of steroid and GH.
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after all those years of competing u still don't get it.Ronnie or Kai or other pro bodybuilders could not make dramatic gains as armatures cuz they could not afford to pay for large dosage of steroids and GH.armature means low dosage of steroid without GH or insulin.as soon as they turn pro and start making money boom they explode cuz they can afford to buy large quantity of steroid and GH.
SMcN15 approved
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You make a ton of money when you turn pro in this sport ::)
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after all those years of competing u still don't get it.Ronnie or Kai or other pro bodybuilders could not make dramatic gains as armatures cuz they could not afford to pay for large dosage of steroids and GH.armature means low dosage of steroid without GH or insulin.as soon as they turn pro and start making money boom they explode cuz they can afford to buy large quantity of steroid and GH.
that makes no sense
they'd have to have the $$ to get big enough to turn pro in the first place...get it?
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Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.
Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.
natural u say ... ru4 real
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I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.
For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.
Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.
Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)
Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.
Easy, they were probably using moderate dosages at the time, and upped it to compete at a higher level. IMO, and most would agree, there are no natural bber's in this day and age, period. People that buy into this bullshit are naive or simply plain stupid!
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Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.
Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.
Really?? Stan McQuay is living the life much better then all those guys mentioned plus Tito Raymond has competed in the NPC for as long as I remember and still couldn't get his pro card.
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Really?? Stan McQuay is living the life much better then all those guys mentioned plus Tito Raymond has competed in the NPC for as long as I remember and still couldn't get his pro card.
I think the point he was making was that photogenic people like Stan and Tito can make a very good living being very muscular but not mass monsters. Both were on dozens of magazine covers and had major endorsement contracts without/before being an IFBB pro.
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These federations are actually very good for the sport and to improve the quality of federations’ services … one dominating federation (monopoly) will result in athlete’s slavery and crucifying them when they are not wanted (for personal, political or technical reason)
A lot of good guys have come out of these federations and some of them turned pro and are in top 10 Olympia … however … once they get enough exposure and know they can do better … they cross to IFBB where the real playground is
More federations means more options for the athletes (shows, prize money, status … etc) … specially if they get alienated by the IFBB … through other federation they can make name for themselves + get exposure nationally and internationally …
Very well put Ali. The more competition between federations the more benefits for the athletes. It will definitely cause the federations to have to step up their games. Let's hope these new federations breath new life into our sport.
Pat
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i was just going through their web not a single contestant worth to get a 2nd look.i still don't understand what these sort of fedrations are trying to prove or accomplish.they are as worth less as tits on the board.
what ifbb is doing how can any jack ass fed put some loser's in one place and callled it world or universe championship.
It started as an NPC show I remember Dennis Newman won the one in San Diego. Not sure why it left the NPC!
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I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.
it doesn't mean shit
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You make a ton of money when you turn pro in this sport ::)
You're a "Competitor"...how much have you made as an amateur (=non IFBB "pro")?
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You're a "Competitor"...how much have you made as an amateur (=non IFBB "pro")?
Prize money, the same as alot of pros 0.
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Sorry for butting in gentlemen, but, what is the precise definition of a cocksmith?
someone who plays with and or makes a hobby/business out of the male genitals.
swampi the cocksmith can tell you all about it.