Author Topic: MuscleMania - bunch of losers (Read 17768 times)

timfogarty · « **Reply #50 on:** July 05, 2009, 10:26:06 AM »

you know, back in the 1960s and into the 1970s, the amateur IFBB was a minor organization. Many fans and athletes like you would say "Why bother competing in the IFBB? The real competition is in the AAU."

and the concept of "coming up through the ranks of MuscleMania" doesn't really apply. Most athletes in MuscleMania events have also entered other org's events. Because of a 1982 lawsuit between the NPC and the AAU, there can be no repercussions for entering events of other organizations. While the NPC is the dominate amateur org in the US, many athletes also enter non-NPC events because they're the ones happening in their region. There are many places in the US where there is only one or two local NPC event in a year.

MuscleMania is popular with latino athletes because the events get televised throughout Latin America.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #51 on:** July 05, 2009, 10:28:22 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on July 05, 2009, 10:26:06 AM

you know, back in the 1960s and into the 1970s, the amateur IFBB was a minor organization. Many fans and athletes like you would say "Why bother competing in the IFBB? The real competition is in the AAU."

and the concept of "coming up through the ranks of MuscleMania" doesn't really apply. Most athletes in MuscleMania events have also entered other org's events. Because of a 1982 lawsuit between the NPC and the AAU, there can be no repercussions for entering events of other organizations. While the NPC is the dominate amateur org in the US, many athletes also enter non-NPC events because they're the ones happening in their region. There are many places in the US where there is only one or two local NPC event in a year.

MuscleMania is popular with latino athletes because the events get televised throughout Latin America.

Tim, didn't you say no one has been stripped of a MM title due to failing a drug test?

What do you make of the "failures" on the MM website?

timfogarty · « **Reply #52 on:** July 05, 2009, 10:33:22 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on July 05, 2009, 10:28:22 AM

Tim, didn't you say no one has been stripped of a MM title due to failing a drug test?

No, I said that about Team Universe. I have many DQs noted on MuscleMania contests at musclememory.com

saucetradomous · « **Reply #53 on:** July 05, 2009, 11:32:12 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on July 05, 2009, 10:33:22 AM

No, I said that about Team Universe. I have many DQs noted on MuscleMania contests at musclememory.com

Tim, what in your mind is the most respected natural organization?

timfogarty · « **Reply #54 on:** July 05, 2009, 11:41:00 AM »

Quote from: saucetradomous on July 05, 2009, 11:32:12 AM

Tim, what in your mind is the most respected natural organization?

depends on what you mean by respected. The WNBF really does try to have drug free shows, but they lost my respect when they started banning for life guys who entered contests of other orgs, or appeared in other magazines.

Kevin Love · « **Reply #55 on:** July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM »

Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.

Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.

musclecenter · « **Reply #56 on:** July 05, 2009, 07:40:23 PM »

In Indonesia,99% peoples do't know who is Jay Cutler,Ronnie...but almost everyone know Ade Rai !
If you don't believe,ask the locals when you travel in Indonesia.

whateva · « **Reply #57 on:** July 05, 2009, 07:50:32 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM

while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). .

Delino Dixon

Sir Humphrey · « **Reply #58 on:** July 05, 2009, 09:27:30 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM

...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc).

Everyone's a comedian nowadays

timfogarty · « **Reply #59 on:** July 05, 2009, 11:40:21 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM

Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc).

I really don't think any of these guys were truly drug free before or after musclemania. you've already said that its easy to get around drug testing, and whether they're trying to do drug testing now, we know for years they really didn't. you also imply that some of these guys first did musclemania, then moved over to the npc, while many competed in both at the same time.

asianmyth · « **Reply #60 on:** July 06, 2009, 05:04:22 AM »

Quote from: musclecenter on July 05, 2009, 07:40:23 PM

In Indonesia,99% peoples do't know who is Jay Cutler,Ronnie...but almost everyone know Ade Rai !
If you don't believe,ask the locals when you travel in Indonesia.

Adi rai who.......the only malysian bb most of people know is malik Noor.......

asianmyth · « **Reply #61 on:** July 06, 2009, 05:07:52 AM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM

Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.

Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.

so u telling us Maquay,curry,decker and sami were natural when they competed in musclemaniac.......and u want evey body belive ur bullshit.sami was banned by ifbb at asian championship.that is why he competed in musclemaniac.

musclecenter · « **Reply #62 on:** July 06, 2009, 05:15:45 AM »

Quote from: asianmyth on July 06, 2009, 05:04:22 AM

Adi rai who.......the only malysian bb most of people know is malik Noor.......

It's true
In Malysia most of people know Malik Noor,2 or 3 times former IFBB Asia Men's heavy-weight champion.

lax · « **Reply #63 on:** July 06, 2009, 05:21:53 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on July 05, 2009, 11:41:00 AM

depends on what you mean by respected. The WNBF really does try to have drug free shows, but they lost my respect when they started banning for life guys who entered contests of other orgs, or appeared in other magazines.

They fucked over very badly Dave 'Texas Shredder' Goodin, their top guy and a very, very classy guy. He was in Iron MAn and they banned him for life.

ibfasport · « **Reply #64 on:** July 06, 2009, 05:26:31 AM »

yeah they have a mania for big and hard muscle

mwbbuilder · « **Reply #65 on:** July 06, 2009, 09:07:30 AM »

Quote from: lax on July 06, 2009, 05:21:53 AM

They fucked over very badly Dave 'Texas Shredder' Goodin, their top guy and a very, very classy guy. He was in Iron MAn and they banned him for life.

Why would they ban him for being in Ironman. I think you are referring to that Natural BB federation that Fogerty was talking about WNBF--not Musclemania.

Kevin Love · « **Reply #66 on:** July 06, 2009, 12:55:35 PM »

I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.

For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.

Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.

Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)

Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.

lax · « **Reply #67 on:** July 06, 2009, 12:56:52 PM »

Quote from: mwbbuilder on July 06, 2009, 09:07:30 AM

Why would they ban him for being in Ironman. I think you are referring to that Natural BB federation that Fogerty was talking about WNBF--not Musclemania.

Yes, my bad.

Still, a very shitty move on a very good guy.

lax · « **Reply #68 on:** July 06, 2009, 12:59:10 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 06, 2009, 12:55:35 PM

I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.

Why not? Seriously? Why limit yourself...unless you are Gh15...

For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.

Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.

Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)

You are delusional. These guys used from the get go.

Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.

WNBF and INBF are the worst...all drugs

no one · « **Reply #69 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:00:14 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on July 03, 2009, 11:34:50 PM

Whoever originally came up with that moniker is a genius. I LOL everytime I read it!

lol.

+1

lax · « **Reply #70 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 05, 2009, 07:14:33 PM

Let me shed a little light on Musclemania.com. I am a Musclemania pro, and have been for the last 5 years. The top 5(in each category) do get tested...but as of recently they have tightened things up by testing before the show to make sure those that fail, will not make it to the stage. Testing is hard to do, so promoters have to change things up to keep the athletes off balance. In the past year alone, at least 12 bodybuilders have failed their drug test and are suspended(to include several Pro's). Everbody(Intelligent) knows that drug testing does not keep the cheaters out..at best...it makes it another obstacle.

Many past and preent bodybuilding stars have started in Musclemania. Some have chosen to take the "other" route by heading to NPC then IFBB(Current NPC-IFBB Stars-Stan McQuay, Brandon Curry, Mark Alvisi, Sami Smith, Dan Decker etc)...while other have stayed natural(Skip Lacour, Ade Rai, Delino Dixon, Tito Raymond, Morris Mendez, Ulysses etc). These type of bodybuilders are the one's that get the most magazine covers in comparison to IFBB pro's.

"Stayed natural"...you, sir, are a buffoon.

Sir Humphrey · « **Reply #71 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:08:23 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 06, 2009, 12:55:35 PM

Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.

Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)

Sod off, I say. You are either delusional or a prevaricator.

lax · « **Reply #72 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:10:41 PM »

Quote from: Sir Humphrey on July 06, 2009, 01:08:23 PM

Sod off, I say. You are either delusional or a prevaricator.

he has almalgamated both unsavory characteristics to present a whole, new, psychotic personage

FREAKgeek · « **Reply #73 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:12:01 PM »

Sorry for butting in gentlemen, but, what is the precise definition of a cocksmith?

asianmyth · « **Reply #74 on:** July 06, 2009, 01:23:14 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Love on July 06, 2009, 12:55:35 PM

I do not know where the communication breach is. For anybody that has been in bodybuilding for a while, knows a great deal about who is juicing or not. Its not only about bitch tits(gyno).One of the key indicators to look off is if an athlete had any major fluctuations over the years. Dan Decker for instance, was a great natural. When I competed against him a few years ago, his highest weight at that time was 195-198lbs(Awesome Physique) at around 30 years old. Now he competes in NPC at around 220+lbs. It is safe to say that he was natural around the time I competed against him, because a person at that age does not improve that dramatically from year to year. Same goes for Brandon Curry. In Musclemania, he competed at around 190lbs.

For all of those natural genetic freaks out there(they do exist)...most of their major improvements are at the beginning. After a few years of training naturally hardcore, the dramatic improvements will not happen anymore. Brandon Curry was a freak to begin with at 21 years old.

Same thing goes for the steroid users. After a fews years on normal bodybuilding cycles, their dramatic improvements will cease to exist.

Mr Olympia Ronnie Coleman was the best example for all the dumb people of the sport. Till like 30yrs old, everbody thought he was lying when he said that he was natural. In the late 90's when he made his DRAMATIC improvements...then it was safe to say he was natural all along. Same goes goes for Kai Greene. He was a NATURAL FREAK. Now he is a STEROID FREAK. Our next Mr. Olympia!(Grapefruit and all:-)

Last but not least...If someone competes in a natural organization for a long period of time....more times that not, they eventually get caught.

after all those years of competing u still don't get it.Ronnie or Kai or other pro bodybuilders could not make dramatic gains as armatures cuz they could not afford to pay for large dosage of steroids and GH.armature means low dosage of steroid without GH or insulin.as soon as they turn pro and start making money boom they explode cuz they can afford to buy large quantity of steroid and GH.