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UPDATE 1-G8 struggles to persuade China, India on climate
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* "Strong resistance" from China - Berlusconi
ROME, July 7 (Reuters) - Rich nations sought to persuade China and India on Tuesday to agree to a goal of halving world greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 at a summit of major economies in Italy later this week.
Environment ministers or senior officials from the 17-member Major Economies Forum (MEF) met in Rome, trying to end deadlock over a declaration that could be a step towards a new U.N. climate pact due to be agreed in Copenhagen in December.
"Positions have not shifted," a delegate said of the talks, called at the last minute to help leaders agree a united front on climate change on Thursday in L'Aquila, Italy, during a Group of Eight summit.
China and India have been opposed to a goal of halving world greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 as part of a declaration by MEF nations, which account for 80 percent of world greenhouse gas emissions.
The G8 countries -- the United States, Japan, Russia, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Canada -- adopted a "vision" of a 50 percent cut in global emissions by 2050 last year and want major developing nations to sign up too.
But developing nations say the rich are to blame for most emissions from burning greenhouse gases since the Industrial Revolution and must set deep 2020 goals for cutting their own emissions before asking for help with 2050 goals.
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi also told a news conference that China was resisting progress on the climate.
VANGUARD
"Europe wants to be in the vanguard, the Obama administration is in the same position, but there is strong resistance that I have encountered with the Chinese presidency," said Berlusconi, referring to a meeting on Monday.
A June 30 MEF draft drawn up by the United States and Mexico said that: "We support an aspirational global goal of reducing global emissions by 50 percent by 2050, with developed countries reducing emissions by at least 80 percent by 2050."
China and Indian officials have said that poor nations need to be allowed to use more energy to end poverty. China has recently overtaken the United States as top world emitter and India is fourth behind Russia.
If the deadlock persists, U.S. President Barack Obama, who sees the MEF as a step towards a U.N. deal, would end the July 9 meeting with just a "chair's summary" rather than a statement agreed by all 17 MEF leaders.
"Only ambitious action by the G8 could break the deadlock in the negotiations," said Tobias Muenchmeyer of environmental group Greenpeace. He noted that China and India want rich nations to cut emissions by at least 40 percent by 2020 below 1990 levels and far higher climate investments.
A separate climate draft for the G8, dated June 24, indicated progress towards setting a target of limiting a rise in world temperatures to two degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) over pre-industrial times.
The European Union views 2C as a threshold for "dangerous" climate changes such as ever more heatwaves, floods, droughts and extinctions. The United States, Russia, Canada and Japan have not signed up for such a target at the G8.
The G8 draft said "global emissions should peak by 2020 and then be substantially reduced to limit the average increases in global temperature to 2 Celsius above pre-industrial levels."
(Editing by Stephen Brown)
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At least China and India have not lost their collective minds like we have.
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The indians will regret that when they find Bombay, Goa and Calcutta under 15 feet of water ;D
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The indians will regret that when they find Bombay, Goa and Calcutta under 15 feet of water ;D
"Global Warming" is not only not occuring, but there is evidence of cooling. In fact, I have read stories that show that any warming ended in 1998.
The whole "Climate Change" monvement, which used to be the "Global Warming" movement because it is obvious that Global Warming is not occuring has all of the elements of a religion and cult, which it has become. In fact, the EPA is even supressing evidence that "Global Warming" is not occuring.
Every ridiculous prognostication of Al Gore has been proven false and he refuses to debate anyone with an opposing view.
China and India are smart because they realize that when the economy is suffering the LAST thing anyone with any sense does is cut back on economic production and activity.
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"Global Warming" is not only not occuring, but there is evidence of cooling. In fact, I have read stories that show that any warming ended in 1998.
The whole "Climate Change" monvement, which used to be the "Global Warming" movement because it is obvious that Global Warming is not occuring has all of the elements of a religion and cult, which it has become. In fact, the EPA is even supressing evidence that "Global Warming" is not occuring.
Every ridiculous prognostication of Al Gore has been proven false and he refuses to debate anyone with an opposing view.
China and India are smart because they realize that when the economy is suffering the LAST thing anyone with any sense does is cut back on economic production and activity.
I think no one really knows either way. Doesn't matter, we are just one species of many, we're going to go extinct at some point in time.
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The bottom line is that if there is a question as to whether it is happening or not, do you massively tax people and try to re-order your society in a way that may force millions of of work and tremendous hit to GDP?
I simply dont understand these greenies who think that there is some magical "alternative energy" that is going to replace oil and coal right now.
Its simply not there.
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Dude if you think Global warming isnt happening you need to speak to a few folks from lower lyding countries, they're fucking worried about it. Find any dutch person on this board and they'll tell you how serious the problem is. I know here in Israel they also take it very seriously, theres been a noticable change in weather here over the last ten years, and it aint getting any cooler!
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The indians will regret that when they find Bombay, Goa and Calcutta under 15 feet of water ;D
When Bombay, Goa and Mumbai are under water most of coastal america will be under as well.... and that is a good thing being that america is the MAJOR polluter of the world.
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Dude if you think Global warming isnt happening you need to speak to a few folks from lower lyding countries, they're fucking worried about it. Find any dutch person on this board and they'll tell you how serious the problem is. I know here in Israel they also take it very seriously, theres been a noticable change in weather here over the last ten years, and it aint getting any cooler!
The climate has been changing since the earth was formed billions and billions of years ago.
I have one question, which still has not been answered to my satisfaction:
There were previous ice ages that ended due to warming prior to human beings even being on the planet. Why did that warming occur? And, if there is warming now, how can we be sure that any of said warming is any different than that which caused the end of the ice ages?
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When Bombay, Goa and Mumbai are under water most of coastal america will be under as well.... and that is a good thing being that america is the MAJOR polluter of the world.
Obviously you did not read the article Samson. Quote:
"China and Indian officials have said that poor nations need to be allowed to use more energy to end poverty. China has recently overtaken the United States as top world emitter and India is fourth behind Russia."
China is the worlds larget polluter.
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Obviously you did not read the article Samson. Quote:
"China and Indian officials have said that poor nations need to be allowed to use more energy to end poverty. China has recently overtaken the United States as top world emitter and India is fourth behind Russia."
China is the worlds larget polluter.
Get this...If the United Kingdom (the world's fifth biggest economy) were to reduce its carbon output to Zero tomorrow, China's growth would make up that difference in just 18months...fucking scary
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Get this...If the United Kingdom (the world's fifth biggest economy) were to reduce its carbon output to Zero tomorrow, China's growth would make up that difference in just 18months...fucking scary
I realize that. Do you understand what will happen if all of a sudden millions of brits are out of work because of curbing emissions in the UK, while nations like China are not and their economy is humming along?
Yes the whole thing stinks, but people need to be able to be employed, pay their bills, and be productive, not scavenging forests for for food and wild game because all industry is shut down.
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The EPA Obama Climate Lie Cabongate
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Suppressing Science in the Obama Administration
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Without China being on board, pollution punishing policies are near pointless. As the article says, they are now #1 in emissions.
Climate change is not nearly as exact as politicians are pushing. Steevo, there has actually been a cooling trend across the globe in the last decade (hence climate change rather than global warming)...but these things happen in cycles. Many scientists dispute the assertion that man made CO2 causes significant warming. Many experts believe climate cycles are mainly determined by the sun (and interaction with the earth's oceans). We need more real scientific debate without the politics or promise of funding.
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Alan Carlin, The Statistics that Debunk Global Warming
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I thought with Obama as President, the entire world loves us and would follow our shinning path and moralistic examples?
A shame that reality has to get in the way.
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Obviously you did not read the article Samson. Quote:
"China and Indian officials have said that poor nations need to be allowed to use more energy to end poverty. China has recently overtaken the United States as top world emitter and India is fourth behind Russia."
China is the worlds larget polluter.
WRONG THERE 3 ...China is now the largest CO2 producer becasue they are a manufacturing powerhouse...america is still the largest POLLUTER IN THE WORLD. The difference is america is polluting the atmosphere with all manner of pollutants, Sulphur, Carbon, various petrochemical derivative gases, etc etc. America is still WAAAAAAAAY out in front in regard to OVERALL pollution.
Now here is something to think about. You know that Carbon Dioxide is much heavier than air, yet the masses are constantly being told that Carbon Dioxide is in the upper atmosphere blocking the sunlight and holding in heat. This is IMPOSSIBLE being that carbon dioxide being heavier than air would sink to the ground and the only thing that would happen is the carbon level at ground level would be increasing tremendously. As a matter of fact people should behaving a hard time breathing in this condition, yet that is NOT the case. So this whole carbon/greenhouse gas theory is falling apart. If there is a change in the atmosphere it is NOT due to Carbon, but some other gas or particulate floating in the atmosphere.
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Why would China or India agree to this bullshit. Their economies are growing steadily, and they are not going to do anything to disrupt that. Only in the west where people have had so good for so long, do we look for some crisis's to create to fuck ourselves up. It would seem to me that solar activity dictates how hot or cold the earth gets, but I guess that doesn't create a man made crisis.
Why do we have have to do this every 20 to 30 years? We have a good long run of prosperity, then the politicians get greedy and start pulling shit that leads to an economic crisis. Then on top of that some ass clown comes along, ie Carter or Obama and promises change. Then for 4 years we have to sit and suck on it while they weaken America and fuck up the economy worse than if they hadn't done anything at all.
My only hope is a real leader emerges, that can lead us back to the road of prosperity.
(http://www.hudsonlibrary.org/hudson%20website/Images/Web%20Collection/Pamphlets/Carter-Mondale.jpg)
(http://obamamedia.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/change-we-can-believe-in-800px.png)
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WRONG THERE 3 ...China is now the largest CO2 producer becasue they are a manufacturing powerhouse...america is still the largest POLLUTER IN THE WORLD. The difference is america is polluting the atmosphere with all manner of pollutants, Sulphur, Carbon, various petrochemical derivative gases, etc etc. America is still WAAAAAAAAY out in front in regard to OVERALL pollution.
Now here is something to think about. You know that Carbon Dioxide is much heavier than air, yet the masses are constantly being told that Carbon Dioxide is in the upper atmosphere blocking the sunlight and holding in heat. This is IMPOSSIBLE being that carbon dioxide being heavier than air would sink to the ground and the only thing that would happen is the carbon level at ground level would be increasing tremendously. As a matter of fact people should behaving a hard time breathing in this condition, yet that is NOT the case. So this whole carbon/greenhouse gas theory is falling apart. If there is a change in the atmosphere it is NOT due to Carbon, but some other gas or particulate floating in the atmosphere.
So let me see if I am understanding this, China which is the worlds manufacturing power house, who has no real EPA to speak of, is producing less polution that the US? Have you actually seen what is going on in China? Their lakes are so fucked up the algie is growing out of control. Birth defects are through the roof. Why do you think you see all those chines wearing medical masks, the air is think with that shit.
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So let me see if I am understanding this, China which is the worlds manufacturing power house, who has no real EPA to speak of, is producing less polution that the US? Have you actually seen what is going on in China? Their lakes are so fucked up the algie is growing out of control. Birth defects are through the roof. Why do you think you see all those chines wearing medical masks, the air is think with that shit.
Kazan have you actually ever seen Los Angeles??? The pollution there is so thick people there wear masks and are told NOT to spend much if any time out doors. A lot of California is in this predicament. Now this is not only a California thing the refinery industry which is spread in many cities and areas in america belches pollution 24/7 without regard to health. America is the ASTHMA capital of the world thanks to the pollution add in the land fills with its myrid chemicals which makes america the CANCER capital of the world as well and you begin to understand the effects and the amount of pollution in america. The US government does not give a damn about the citizens, because lobbyist (BRIBES) are handed out to congressional figures to look the other way. So while america complains about pollution in India, China, Russia, Japan etc I find it nothing but HYPOCRITICAL and absurd when america is producing more pollution than anyone else and seeing the effects in the form of diseases, deaths, birth defects, miscarriages, pulmonary disease etc. America has a population almost 1/5 the size of China....Imagine americas pollution if it had 1.5 BILLION people!!!!....FUGHETTABOUTIT!!!!
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Kazan have you actually ever seen Los Angeles??? The pollution there is so thick people there wear masks and are told NOT to spend much if any time out doors. A lot of California is in this predicament. Now this is not only a California thing the refinery industry which is spread in many cities and areas in america belches pollution 24/7 without regard to health. America is the ASTHMA capital of the world thanks to the pollution add in the land fills with its myrid chemicals which makes america the CANCER capital of the world as well and you begin to understand the effects and the amount of pollution in america. The US government does not give a damn about the citizens, because lobbyist (BRIBES) are handed out to congressional figures to look the other way. So while america complains about pollution in India, China, Russia, Japan etc I find it nothing but HYPOCRITICAL and absurd when america is producing more pollution than anyone else and seeing the effects in the form of diseases, deaths, birth defects, miscarriages, pulmonary disease etc. America has a population almost 1/5 the size of China....Imagine americas pollution if it had 1.5 BILLION people!!!!....FUGHETTABOUTIT!!!!
FOR SAMSON
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Acid rain acid rain!
Killer bees, killer bees!
Asteroid will hit earth!
Sun is getting closer to Earth!
Sun is shrinking!
Swine flu pandemic!
Global warming!
No Global cooling!
Climate change!
::)
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Kazan have you actually ever seen Los Angeles??? The pollution there is so thick people there wear masks and are told NOT to spend much if any time out doors. A lot of California is in this predicament. Now this is not only a California thing the refinery industry which is spread in many cities and areas in america belches pollution 24/7 without regard to health. America is the ASTHMA capital of the world thanks to the pollution add in the land fills with its myrid chemicals which makes america the CANCER capital of the world as well and you begin to understand the effects and the amount of pollution in america. The US government does not give a damn about the citizens, because lobbyist (BRIBES) are handed out to congressional figures to look the other way. So while america complains about pollution in India, China, Russia, Japan etc I find it nothing but HYPOCRITICAL and absurd when america is producing more pollution than anyone else and seeing the effects in the form of diseases, deaths, birth defects, miscarriages, pulmonary disease etc. America has a population almost 1/5 the size of China....Imagine americas pollution if it had 1.5 BILLION people!!!!....FUGHETTABOUTIT!!!!
Los Angeles is overly polluted because it sits in a valley thus shielding it from any wind currents that could move the smog off the top. Same thing in Mexico city and same thing in Denver.
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WRONG THERE 3 ...China is now the largest CO2 producer becasue they are a manufacturing powerhouse...america is still the largest POLLUTER IN THE WORLD. The difference is america is polluting the atmosphere with all manner of pollutants, Sulphur, Carbon, various petrochemical derivative gases, etc etc. America is still WAAAAAAAAY out in front in regard to OVERALL pollution.
Now here is something to think about. You know that Carbon Dioxide is much heavier than air, yet the masses are constantly being told that Carbon Dioxide is in the upper atmosphere blocking the sunlight and holding in heat. This is IMPOSSIBLE being that carbon dioxide being heavier than air would sink to the ground and the only thing that would happen is the carbon level at ground level would be increasing tremendously. As a matter of fact people should behaving a hard time breathing in this condition, yet that is NOT the case. So this whole carbon/greenhouse gas theory is falling apart. If there is a change in the atmosphere it is NOT due to Carbon, but some other gas or particulate floating in the atmosphere.
Prove it. Not saying it might not be true, but provide some links, facts, articles etc that could back up what you are saying. You're to much of a gimmick for anyone on here to take you at your word.
We are waiting.
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Kazan have you actually ever seen Los Angeles??? The pollution there is so thick people there wear masks and are told NOT to spend much if any time out doors. A lot of California is in this predicament. Now this is not only a California thing the refinery industry which is spread in many cities and areas in america belches pollution 24/7 without regard to health. America is the ASTHMA capital of the world thanks to the pollution add in the land fills with its myrid chemicals which makes america the CANCER capital of the world as well and you begin to understand the effects and the amount of pollution in america. The US government does not give a damn about the citizens, because lobbyist (BRIBES) are handed out to congressional figures to look the other way. So while america complains about pollution in India, China, Russia, Japan etc I find it nothing but HYPOCRITICAL and absurd when america is producing more pollution than anyone else and seeing the effects in the form of diseases, deaths, birth defects, miscarriages, pulmonary disease etc. America has a population almost 1/5 the size of China....Imagine americas pollution if it had 1.5 BILLION people!!!!....FUGHETTABOUTIT!!!!
Ah yes I have been to LA, I've been to China, I work for a company that has offices all over the world (4 in China), if you think you are going to tell me that the US is more polluted than China you can take a long walk off a short pier
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Without China being on board, pollution punishing policies are near pointless. As the article says, they are now #1 in emissions.
Climate change is not nearly as exact as politicians are pushing. Steevo, there has actually been a cooling trend across the globe in the last decade (hence climate change rather than global warming)...but these things happen in cycles. Many scientists dispute the assertion that man made CO2 causes significant warming. Many experts believe climate cycles are mainly determined by the sun (and interaction with the earth's oceans). We need more real scientific debate without the politics or promise of funding.
Idiot. It's a scientific consensus that climate change is being helped along by fossil fuel burning which is a man made cause. All national academies of science in every single industrialized nation reach a consensus on this and it means that it's pretty fu*king true.
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Idiot. It's a scientific consensus that climate change is being helped along by fossil fuel burning which is a man made cause. All national academies of science in every single industrialized nation reach a consensus on this and it means that it's pretty fu*king true.
You call him an Idiot, got news for you genius, science is not about consensus! It's about can a thoery be proven or not, otherwise it just a theory. Guys like you are gonna make Al Gore rich.
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You call him an Idiot, got news for you genius, science is not about consensus! It's about can a thoery be proven or not, otherwise it just a theory. Guys like you are gonna make Al Gore rich.
So you're telling me you are smarter and more knowledgeable than those scientists who study this and reach that consensus? Haha nice one buddy! Your opinion really matters. read the facts from the majority of those in the know. Then you shall know. You know? hahahaha Moron.
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Idiot. It's a scientific consensus that climate change is being helped along by fossil fuel burning which is a man made cause. All national academies of science in every single industrialized nation reach a consensus on this and it means that it's pretty fu*king true.
Complete rubbish. The evidence is becoming clearer by the damn day that "Global Warming" is a complete lie.
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Complete rubbish. The evidence is becoming clearer by the damn day that "Global Warming" is a complete lie.
Evidence from who?
There is evidence from every single industrialized nation's science academies and they all agree on this. Except you don't. So i guess you are right and a majority of scientists are wrong.
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Acid rain acid rain!
Killer bees, killer bees!
Asteroid will hit earth!
Sun is getting closer to Earth!
Sun is shrinking!
Swine flu pandemic!
Global warming!
No Global cooling!
Climate change!
::)
And I thought I only had LIONS, TIGERS and BEARS to worry about,... OH MY!!!
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Evidence from who?
There is evidence from every single industrialized nation's science academies and they all agree on this. Except you don't. So i guess you are right and a majority of scientists are wrong.
No they dont, thats complete nonsense. Al Gore has already been proven wrong on almost everything he has said.
The entire global warming hysteria is a fading cult and its followers are getting more desperate by the day to try to prove their false lies.
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So you're telling me you are smarter and more knowledgeable than those scientists who study this and reach that consensus? Haha nice one buddy! Your opinion really matters. read the facts from the majority of those in the know. Then you shall know. You know? hahahaha Moron.
Please assclown, if you had a spec of intelligence you would have done a little investigation and found that manipulated data was used and the so called hockey stick is a bunch of bullshit. If you were in the know, you would also know that since 2001 the tempature has stayed constant yet CO2 levels have increased. Care to try to explain that? Got a hint for ya go outside and look up you will see this big yellow ball in the sky called the Sun, its what determins how hot or cold the earth is.
Lets try this another way, If I can get enough people to together and get a conscensus that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground will you accept that as fact?
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Please assclown, if you had a spec of intelligence you would have done a little investigation and found that manipulated data was used and the so called hockey stick is a bunch of bullshit. If you were in the know, you would also know that since 2001 the tempature has stayed constant yet CO2 levels have increased. Care to try to explain that? Got a hint for ya go outside and look up you will see this big yellow ball in the sky called the Sun, its what determins how hot or cold the earth is.
Lets try this another way, If I can get enough people to together and get a conscensus that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground will you accept that as fact?
Here is a small list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming
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No they dont, thats complete nonsense. Al Gore has already been proven wrong on almost everything he has said.
The entire global warming hysteria is a fading cult and its followers are getting more desperate by the day to try to prove their false lies.
thats not actually true...I think the only country I know of where people still question global warming in large numbers is in the united states (don't quote me on that but its my experience as someonone that travels a lot). and it certainly wasn't al gore who convinced them, most europeans were sold to global warming by the early 90's. I'll be honest with you mate, if you turned up in England (and Israel actually) and told people global warming was a hoax you'd probably get laughed at, it's that ingrained.
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Los Angeles is overly polluted because it sits in a valley thus shielding it from any wind currents that could move the smog off the top. Same thing in Mexico city and same thing in Denver.
So what's your point??? If the mountain ranges weren't there the pollution would be even more so of a problem in California and Nevada
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Before you start shouting idiot, realize that there are also prominent scientists who have come out against man made CO2 as a significant contribution to global warming and more in the past year or two. I have obviously not looked into this myself as I am an MD, not a geologist, but I have seen reports in the past year of larger groups of scientists disputing this claim. I also watched a very impressive documentary on this topic...it was about an hour long with interviews with many prominent scientists.
Again, I am not saying I specifically disagree with the premise, but it concerns me that there is such political consensus when you hear more scientists in the past year disagree with the theory of man made CO2 causing global warming. The goal to reduce polution is noble, as is the persuit of alternative energy but as 33386 said, you don't penalyze people/business (disproportionally) if we aren't absolutely certain...and also if there aren't necessary alternatives at this time.
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thats not actually true...I think the only country I know of where people still question global warming in large numbers is in the united states (don't quote me on that but its my experience as someonone that travels a lot). and it certainly wasn't al gore who convinced them, most europeans were sold to global warming by the early 90's. I'll be honest with you mate, if you turned up in England (and Israel actually) and told people global warming was a hoax you'd probably get laughed at, it's that ingrained.
Oh don't be fooled they are trying to do the same in the US, global warming this, green that, without a shred of proof that man has anything to do with it. It's gotten so bad that once the temp stopped increasing they changes from "global warming" to "climate change". Kinda conventient that when your theory falls appart you change it to a catch all name so no matter what happens, gets hotter, gets colder, more rain, less rain its climate change. The UN has been trying to push this bullshit since 1968.
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thats not actually true...I think the only country I know of where people still question global warming in large numbers is in the united states (don't quote me on that but its my experience as someonone that travels a lot). and it certainly wasn't al gore who convinced them, most europeans were sold to global warming by the early 90's. I'll be honest with you mate, if you turned up in England (and Israel actually) and told people global warming was a hoax you'd probably get laughed at, it's that ingrained.
Global Warming by most measures ended in 1998.
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Here you go kcballer...so much for your idiot claim. Only true idiots refuse to look into alternative points of views.
U. S. Senate report: scientists refute global warming claims
January 05, 2009
U. S. Senate Minority Report: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims
Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008
Over 650 dissenting scientists from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 231-page U.S. Senate Minority Report -- updated from 2007’s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 650 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated report includes an additional 250 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007. The over 650 dissenting scientists are more than 12 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers.
The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient developments challenged the UN’s and former Vice President Al Gore's claims that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus." On a range of issues, 2008 proved to be challenging for the promoters of man-made climate fears. Promoters of anthropogenic warming fears endured the following: Global temperatures failing to warm; Peer-reviewed studies predicting a continued lack of warming; a failed attempt to revive the discredited “Hockey Stick”; inconvenient developments and studies regarding rising CO2; the Spotless Sun; Clouds; Antarctica; the Arctic; Greenland’s ice; Mount Kilimanjaro; Global sea ice; Causes of Hurricanes; Extreme Storms; Extinctions; Floods; Droughts; Ocean Acidification; Polar Bears; Extreme weather deaths; Frogs; lack of atmospheric dust; Malaria; the failure of oceans to warm and rise as predicted.
In addition, the following developments further secured 2008 as the year the “consensus” collapsed. Russian scientists “rejected the very idea that carbon dioxide may be responsible for global warming”. An American Physical Society editor conceded that a “considerable presence” of scientific skeptics exists. An International team of scientists countered the UN IPCC, declaring: “Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate”. India Issued a report challenging global warming fears. International Scientists demanded the UN IPCC “be called to account and cease its deceptive practices,” and a canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed 68% disagree that global warming science is “settled.”
This new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP Ranking Member is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition challenging significant aspects of the claims of the UN IPCC and Al Gore. Scientific meetings are now being dominated by a growing number of skeptical scientists. The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. [See: Skeptical scientists overwhelm conference: '2/3 of presenters and question-askers were hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC'
Even the mainstream media has begun to take notice of the expanding number of scientists serving as “consensus busters.” A November 25, 2008, article in Politico noted that a “growing accumulation” of science is challenging warming fears, and added that the “science behind global warming may still be too shaky to warrant cap-and-trade legislation.” Canada’s National Post noted on October 20, 2008, that “the number of climate change skeptics is growing rapidly.” New York Times environmental reporter Andrew Revkin noted on March 6, 2008, "As we all know, climate science is not a numbers game (there are heaps of signed statements by folks with advanced degrees on all sides of this issue)," Revkin wrote. (LINK) In 2007, Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking."
Skeptical scientists are gaining recognition despite what many say is a bias against them in parts of the scientific community and are facing significant funding disadvantages. Dr. William M. Briggs, a climate statistician who serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee, explained that his colleagues described “absolute horror stories of what happened to them when they tried getting papers published that explored non-‘consensus’ views.” In a March 4, 2008, report Briggs described the behavior as “really outrageous and unethical … on the parts of some editors. I was shocked
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Australia is reexamining its commitment to fighting global warming as well.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html
Too bad for Gore
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Idiot. It's a scientific consensus that climate change is being helped along by fossil fuel burning which is a man made cause. All national academies of science in every single industrialized nation reach a consensus on this and it means that it's pretty fu*king true.
Idiot? hahaha
Boy are you late in the game. 30,000 scientists want to challenge the global warming theory, Get with the program and don't be such a sucker.
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Idiot? hahaha
Boy are you late in the game. 30,000 scientists want to challenge the global warming theory, Get with the program and don't be such a sucker.
The whole "green" "global warming" "climate change" movement is nothing more than a religious cult.
They exhibit all fo the traits of a cult and are now getting desperate as their false religion is being proven to be based on false data.
Its actually painfull emotionally for these people to even consider that there is even the possibility that Global Warming is not true since they have so much invested in this.
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"In April, the Polish Academy of Sciences published a document challenging man-made global warming. In the Czech Republic, where President Vaclav Klaus remains a leading skeptic, today only 11% of the population believes humans play a role. In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy wants to tap Claude Allegre to lead the country's new ministry of industry and innovation. Twenty years ago Mr. Allegre was among the first to trill about man-made global warming, but the geochemist has since recanted. New Zealand last year elected a new government, which immediately suspended the country's weeks-old cap-and-trade program.
The number of skeptics, far from shrinking, is swelling. Oklahoma Sen. Jim Inhofe now counts more than 700 scientists who disagree with the U.N. -- 13 times the number who authored the U.N.'s 2007 climate summary for policymakers."
So much for your idea that every country's scientific bodies agree with man made global warming.