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read this book to learn all about bodybuildings godfather.read all about how he screwed dan lurie over even after sharing a bed with him.
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after you read this book than read this book.
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lol who is actually going to read this shit?
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lol who is actually going to read this shit?
;D
Oh I am sure there is an audience out there somewhere....... ::)
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than read this book.
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read this book to learn all about bodybuildings godfather.read all about how he screwed dan lurie over even after sharing a bed with him.
Page 381 is especially good.
all the magazine covers come from my website.
and I should have gotten a special acknowledgment for all the photoshopping I did. The pic on 180 was so badly cracked and torn. I probably spent 5 hours on that for his website.
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and finally read this book after you have read all four books you will be a man grasshopper. within these books you will obtain every exercise known to man and never need to buy another magazine. you will learn about the american dream and how to realize it. you will learn about deceit corruption. you will learn the origins of steroids. all these things can be yours by reading these four books from the tree of knowledge.
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lol who is actually going to read this shit?
knowledge is power my friend instead of wasting all your time posting all your inane comments wow look at his glutes, you suck etc etc ad nauseum, read about your favorite sport and they have the knowledge to post something worthwhile. instead what's this crap duhhhhh. i ain'ta gonna read this i have the attention span of a squirrel.
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Page 381 is especially good.
all the magazine covers come from my website.
and I should have gotten a special acknowledgment for all the photoshopping I did. The pic on 180 was so badly cracked and torn. I probably spent 5 hours on that for his website.
you defintely have the best website for bodybuilding history on the www. and for that you should be commended.
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knowledge is power my friend instead of wasting all your time posting all your inane comments wow look at his glutes, you suck etc etc ad nauseum, read about your favorite sport and they have the knowledge to post something worthwhile. instead what's this crap duhhhhh. i ain'ta gonna read this i have the attention span of a squirrel.
I don't post like that.
bodybuilding is a sport now?
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I don't post like that.
bodybuilding is a sport now?
No. Hope this helps.
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No. Hope this helps.
:D
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:D
sorry if i offended you or insulted your posting skills, i was just trying to make the members here aware of some of the history books on bodybuilding currently available.
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sorry if i offended you or insulted your posting skills, i was just trying to make the members here aware of some of the history books on bodybuilding currently available.
np
good luck
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favorite joe weider shot joe's head on someone elses body usually clancy ross and later he grew in robby robinson.
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favorite joe weider shot joe's head on someone elses body usually clancy ross and later he grew in robby robinson.
nah Funk I think that is Joe's bod
Not Clancy, that is for sure
I have reads all those books
and you are correct....it is best to read more books
By the way, I do not think you are joe meeko
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you defintely have the best website for bodybuilding history on the www. and for that you should be commended.
what website is that?
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nah Funk I think that is Joe's bod
No, Joe was never that big.
what website is that?
http://musclememory.com
only been around for 12 years
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Foreword by Regis Philbin.
Ha ha ha
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Foreword by Regis Philbin. Ha ha ha
Dan was a bodybuilder in the 1940s, a kids tv show star in the 1950s (Ed McMahon was on the same show), and a magazine publisher in the 1960s-80s, Muscle Training Illustrated. He sold his own line of weights and equipment, and was chairman of the WBBG. In the 70s and 80s he was a regular on various local NYC talk shows, including Regis's.
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major clif notes,,please for all books PM me afer done
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are those books any good?
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are those books any good?
Muscletown USA is very good.
Another good book is Gorilla Suit by Bob Paris
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read this book to learn all about bodybuildings godfather. Read all about how he screwed dan lurie over even after sharing a bed with him.
there are always two sides to the story
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what is it you want to tell us, Ron?
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Muscletown USA is very good.
Another good book is Gorilla Suit by Bob Paris
confessions of an unlikely bodtbuilder is also good if you want an outsider who became an inciders perspective.
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some misc pics.
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more
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or you can just go to http://danlurie.com to see scans of the original photos, and http://musclememory.com/mags.php for all the mag covers
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or you can just go to http://danlurie.com to see scans of the original photos, and http://musclememory.com/mags.php for all the mag covers
most guys here are too lazy to go look up anything so i made it easy for them just curious as to how many will actually go to these websites to get a dose of history. as an added feature on this thread some mag history gleemed mostly from musclememory.com. the first issues of mti, mb, md, mmi.
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first iron man , mdigest sh and the last good issue of im
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No, Joe was never that big.
http://musclememory.com
only been around for 12 years
yes, i have seen it, i just didn't know it was yours. i am listed on it, if i give you more info, will you update me?
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Muscletown USA is very good.
Another good book is Gorilla Suit by Bob Paris
of course you know where the term Gorilla Suit originated in bodybuilding?
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yes, i have seen it, i just didn't know it was yours. i am listed on it, if i give you more info, will you update me?
I can attach a pic, and even biographical information, to your name in the database. But results are added by contest, not by individual. That is I need complete results.
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Rick Waynes "Muscle Wars" is quite an entertaining read, although he was never one to let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Rick Waynes "Muscle Wars" is quite an entertaining read, although he was never one to let the facts get in the way of a good story.
also rick's book the bodymen.
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also rick's book the bodymen.
Funk51,
please scan all the books and post them up for us to read at our leisure. Thanks.
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Dick Tyler's 'West Coast Bodybuilding Scene:The Golden Era' should also be in any collection, along with Dave Draper's 'Brother Iron, Sister Steel'.
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Foreword by Regis Philbin.
Ha ha ha
why is that funny?
Who could you get to write the foreward to YOUR book?
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what is it you want to tell us, Ron?
Ron's silence speaks volumes.
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so the best book is?
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I have this issue, anyone want it?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=290307.0;attach=330039)
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I have this issue, anyone want it?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=290307.0;attach=330039)
how much?
who is that on the cover?
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also rick's book the bodymen.
funk
you think those books are available on ebay?
those two I do not have...
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Dick Tyler's 'West Coast Bodybuilding Scene:The Golden Era' should also be in any collection, along with Dave Draper's 'Brother Iron, Sister Steel'.
agreed they are really good books dealing with the golden era of bodybuilding, as oposed to the bloated era.
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Funk51,
please scan all the books and post them up for us to read at our leisure. Thanks.
i'm in the process now. just kidding....
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why is that funny?
Who could you get to write the foreward to YOUR book?
i don't get some of these people on here either lax. i guess it's being part of the beavis and butthead generation.
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I have this issue, anyone want it?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=290307.0;attach=330039)
i got it to put it on e-bay should get you some decent change as it's vol 1 no 1.
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I have this issue, anyone want it?
LOL. In the bottom right corner, it notes that this premiere issue of Muscle Mag is bound to be a 'collector's item' so 'Why not buy it?' Another BB'ing claim is belied. ;D
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funk
you think those books are available on ebay?
those two I do not have...
they might be on e-bay but there probably long since out of print. more of rick wayn's writing check out the three more reps series there were three books now condensed into one book , i'm pretty sure that should still be available.
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read this book to learn all about bodybuildings godfather.read all about how he screwed dan lurie over even after sharing a bed with him.
3 versions of the story. I wish someone would write the TRUE version.
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3 versions of the story. I wish someone would write the TRUE version.
it's like any history the complete truth probably lies somewhere in betwween. not to give too much of the book away to anyone who wants to read it. but lurie's lessons on life in business got progressively more expensive. weider screwed him out of 18000 dollars, lou ferrigno screwed him out of 65000 dollars. next in line was arnold s who topped out at 100,000 dollars. only sergio didn't sue and win he only embarassed the sealtest circus strongman. pic is of dan and lou before lou called dan a dirty jew.
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i've been rereading all these old stories in the early 70's mags. Weider was ruthless. outright calling Lurie a lier and Sergio a Headless Chicken.
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i'm in the process now. just kidding....
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i've been rereading all these old stories in the early 70's mags. Weider was ruthless. outright calling Lurie a lier and Sergio a Headless Chicken.
bodybuilding was more interesting back then with the battles between lurie and weider, hoffman and weider, hoffman and lurie. only pear rader kept out of this infighting content to poublish his ironman mag. out of the fray.
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i want to respect and like joe weider......after all he is the father of bodybuilding....but i have never heard anyone say anything good about him.....i am talking about famous bodybuilders from the different eras......none care for him ans they all refer to him as selfish and inconsiderate....... i do want to like him but i don't hear anything good whatsoever.
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it's like any history the complete truth probably lies somewhere in betwween. not to give too much of the book away to anyone who wants to read it. but lurie's lessons on life in business got progressively more expensive. weider screwed him out of 18000 dollars, lou ferrigno screwed him out of 65000 dollars. next in line was arnold s who topped out at 100,000 dollars. only sergio didn't sue and win he only embarassed the sealtest circus strongman. pic is of dan and lou before lou called dan a dirty jew.
not to shit on the guy, but anyone that stays in business with those people after being fucked not once but twice is just asking for it a third time. can't really feel sorry for the guy. dan is like a battered woman that keeps going back for more.
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i want to respect and like joe weider......after all he is the father of bodybuilding....but i have never heard anyone say anything good about him.....i am talking about famous bodybuilders from the different eras......none care for him ans they all refer to him as selfish and inconsiderate....... i do want to like him but i don't hear anything good whatsoever.
it's hard to like him, but joe is first and foremost a businessman and in that he was a sucess. he capitalized on bodybuilding and most bodybuilders were jealous because they thought he should give back more. ex the first mister olympia joe reneged on the prize money to larry scott citing a clause that if the show wasn't profitable he didn't have to pay. joe always covered his bases, that's how he cheated lurie.
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not to shit on the guy, but anyone that stays in business with those people after being fucked not once but twice is just asking for it a third time. can't really feel sorry for the guy. dan is like a battered woman that keeps going back for more.
lurie just told his story as it happened, je still made a great living even despite these setbacks. from 1950-1957 he appeared on tv as dan the sealtest strongman . he made a good living travelled the world had 5 children and is still around.as far as the arnold incident, arnold said he was sorry but he only did it because he needed the money at the time. of course when years later when dan said iuf your sorry give the money back arnuld didn't want to hear it.
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afunny story about ferrigno, when he was young his father took him to weiders warehouse in ny to buy some iron. after they loaded the iron lou's father went in to pay. as he was paying lou started to load more weight into the family car, so even back than he was a person of low standards.
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joe w and dan happier times
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as and dan happier times
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as and dan happier times
Great pic, but cant help notice the way Arnold is holding that bag, and his stance...
Also, did someone tell Franco to look at the camera like he wants to fuck it?
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lol who is actually going to read this shit?
Yea can someone send us important excerpts?
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they might be on e-bay but there probably long since out of print. more of rick wayn's writing check out the three more reps series there were three books now condensed into one book , i'm pretty sure that should still be available.
will do thanks
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it's like any history the complete truth probably lies somewhere in betwween. not to give too much of the book away to anyone who wants to read it. but lurie's lessons on life in business got progressively more expensive. weider screwed him out of 18000 dollars, lou ferrigno screwed him out of 65000 dollars. next in line was arnold s who topped out at 100,000 dollars. only sergio didn't sue and win he only embarassed the sealtest circus strongman. pic is of dan and lou before lou called dan a dirty jew.
didn't ferrigno call him that epithet right after that shot was taken, like, later that same day?
Funk, you are quite the historian...thanks!
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bodybuilding was more interesting back then with the battles between lurie and weider, hoffman and weider, hoffman and lurie. only pear rader kept out of this infighting content to poublish his ironman mag. out of the fray.
yes
peary and Mable were classy and actually were friendly with the other three
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i want to respect and like joe weider......after all he is the father of bodybuilding....but i have never heard anyone say anything good about him.....i am talking about famous bodybuilders from the different eras......none care for him ans they all refer to him as selfish and inconsiderate....... i do want to like him but i don't hear anything good whatsoever.
I have heard [plenty good about him, notably from Zane, Arnold, Labrada, Gaspari, others
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it's hard to like him, but joe is first and foremost a businessman and in that he was a sucess. he capitalized on bodybuilding and most bodybuilders were jealous because they thought he should give back more. ex the first mister olympia joe reneged on the prize money to larry scott citing a clause that if the show wasn't profitable he didn't have to pay. joe always covered his bases, that's how he cheated lurie.
Funk, is that true?
he didn';t pay Scott?
never heard that....
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joe w and dan happier times
I know that is doc tilney seated, Funk...who is on the left?
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Great pic, but cant help notice the way Arnold is holding that bag, and his stance...
Also, did someone tell Franco to look at the camera like he wants to fuck it?
only gay iof you want it to be
you fucking 13 year old
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HA ha HA!!! On Dan's website in the trainer section, he claims to have trained Joe Weider!!!!!!!
ORLY?????
Lying ass @#@#$#
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HA ha HA!!! On Dan's website in the trainer section, he claims to have trained Joe Weider!!!!!!!
ORLY?????
Lying ass @#@#$#
look at the photo. who has muscles? who doesn't?
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only gay iof you want it to be
you fucking 13 year old
Re lax...
whos acting like a 13 yr old now?
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look at the photo. who has muscles? who doesn't?
Exactly. The trainer of champions subscribed to those who cant, teach theory.
Problem is, he was the promoter of champions.
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Exactly. The trainer of champions subscribed to those who cant, teach theory.
Problem is, he was the promoter of champions.
those who can do, those who can't become schmoes
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those who can do, those who can't become schmoes
In this case, wealthy schmoes, and got it by mainly exploiting.
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look at the photo. who has muscles? who doesn't?
Its Dan, which proves my point. If Dan actually trained Joe, he would have some muscle.
Joe always put someone elses body on his head and called it his own from him to Robby Robinson.
In any event, Joe Weider is older than Dan
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Its Dan, which proves my point. If Dan actually trained Joe, he would have some muscle.
the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s. The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times. For this you accuse Dan of being a liar. Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.
In any event, Joe Weider is older than Dan
1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.
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didn't ferrigno call him that epithet right after that shot was taken, like, later that same day?
Funk, you are quite the historian...thanks!
you have that story right lax ferrigno was friendly at first and for some reason his demeanor changed a few hours later.
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don't know what this has to do with lurie but pretty entertaining no less.
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Funk, is that true?
he didn';t pay Scott?
never heard that....
weider actually admits this himself on page 159 of his book brothers of iron. he also said that next year 66 when larry won he got the 1000 this time.
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you have that story right lax ferrigno was friendly at first and for some reason his demeanor changed a few hours later.
yes
I read the whole deal about that along with an event where Ferrigno showed up to compete at Mountain Park, Holyoke, Mass-Jubinville show...actually wanted $ to compete...ed told him hell no...he stomped on the posing platform as if it were not strong enough to hold his ponderous bulk....but really th4e deal was I think it may have been Leon Brown who was there and LF knew he'd get creamed by him
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weider actually admits this himself on page 159 of his book brothers of iron. he also said that next year 66 when larry won he got the 1000 this time.
hah
but he never retroactively pain h9im the 1st 1K
I have that book, read it...musta forgot that
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HA ha HA!!! On Dan's website in the trainer section, he claims to have trained Joe Weider!!!!!!!
ORLY?????
Lying ass @#@#$#
yeah don't he know joe invented bodybuilding and every exercise known to man at his non-existing weider research clinic, i heard that there was a broom closet in the weider building that had this sign on it.
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the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s. The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times. For this you accuse Dan of being a liar. Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.
1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.
good point.
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yeah don't he know joe invented bodybuilding and every exercise known to man at his non-existing weider research clinic, i heard that there was a broom closet in the weider building that had this sign on it.
No Funk...it was actually an office where the editors worked according to what Zane told me...not a clinic tho with lab coatted docs, certainly...Zane had disdain bc he said most of the staff were never there...off getting their master's degrees on Joe's dime
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I know that is doc tilney seated, Funk...who is on the left?
joe thaler, check out his career on musclememory.com.
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No Funk...it was actually an office where the editors worked according to what Zane told me...not a clinic tho with lab coatted docs, certainly...Zane had disdain bc he said most of the staff were never there...off getting their master's degrees on Joe's dime
yeah i think he did have a room later on but at first it was a figment of joe's imagination. remember joe's adage, tell a lie often enough and sooner or later people will believe it.
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the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s. The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times. For this you accuse Dan of being a liar. Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.
1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.
Taking someone to the gym to work out with you doesn't qualify them to state that they were their "trainer"...... ::)
Joe may have played dirty but so did Dan. That's business and Joe won the battle. Dan should be happy that he made millions and leave it at that
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pic from a distance and joe in 1951 mr u in pants.
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pic from a distance and joe in 1951 mr u in pants.
the new jersey location
Yes
reg told him if he did not compete, then neither would Reg
gotta admit, Joe would do ANYTHING to succeed
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Taking someone to the gym to work out with you doesn't qualify them to state that they were their "trainer"...... ::)
it doesn't say he was his trainer. It says he trained him. Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.
I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo. Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense. And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.
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it doesn't say he was his trainer. It says he trained him. Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.
I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo. Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense. And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.
It's a recessive Uncle Tom gene. Truly a sad case. ;)
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it doesn't say he was his trainer. It says he trained him. Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.
I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo. Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense. And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.
I trained with Charles Dixon years ago when we were both at Golds Gym in Greenville. Does that mean that I can all of sudden put down on my website that I was the trainer of IFBB pro Charles Dixon???? Uuuuh No.... ::)
That type of thinking is stupid. Let me put it to you this way so you can understand......If you take a guy home from the club and sleep with them, does that make him your boyfriend??? No...... ::)
Its no different from that guys that claim to be the trainers of IFBB pros when all they did was casually associate with them such as help them put more weights on the bar or put his food in a microwave or etc.
You should only take credit for what its ACTUALLY WORTH.
I'm not defending Dan because he did the same things that Joe did and Joe just happened to win.
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I trained with Charles Dixon years ago when we were both at Golds Gym in Greenville. Does that mean that I can all of sudden put down on my website that I was the trainer of IFBB pro Charles Dixon???? Uuuuh No.... ::)
not trained with, but trained. and not trainer, but trained or trained by. those prepositions are what make statements true or false. if you taught him something that he didn't know, then yes you can say you trained him.
You should only take credit for what its ACTUALLY WORTH.
I agree. And it is likely that 21 year old Dan Lurie, already 3 time winner of AAU Most Muscular Man in America was able to teach a skinny 24 year old Joe Weider a thing or two about weight lifting.
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not trained with, but trained. and not trainer, but trained or trained by. those prepositions are what make statements true or false. if you taught him something that he didn't know, then yes you can say you trained him.
I agree. And it is likely that 21 year old Dan Lurie, already 3 time winner of AAU Most Muscular Man in America was able to teach a skinny 24 year old Joe Weider a thing or two about weight lifting.
Wrong....Tim. No-one can claim that they were their trainer unless they specifically asked him or her to train them. Joe Weider may have asked Dan to train with him but Joe never asked him to TRAIN HIM.
As far as Dan's competitive career is concerned, it really didn't matter. He can't claim to have train Joe Weider unless he asked him to train him. From what I understand, they both worked out together and for Dan to take credit is pretty much a weasel like move on his part.
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Wrong....Tim. No-one can claim that they were their trainer unless they specifically asked him or her to train them. Joe Weider may have asked Dan to train with him but Joe never asked him to TRAIN HIM.
As far as Dan's competitive career is concerned, it really didn't matter. He can't claim to have train Joe Weider unless he asked him to train him. From what I understand, they both worked out together and for Dan to take credit is pretty much a weasel like move on his part.
vince i don't think it's such a big issue, but i believe dan already winning most muscular man three times at the aau mr america contest, would have lots to tell joe about training seeing joe's underdevloped state. could you imagine a guy coming to your parents house and sleeping in the same bed as you not in a gay sense but because of lack of room and than that same guy screwing you out of 18 grand and than laughing about it to your face.
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and don't forget joe weider's moniker trainer of champions. i'm sure he taught arnold how to lift weights.
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Wrong....Tim. No-one can claim that they were their trainer unless they specifically asked him or her to train them. Joe Weider may have asked Dan to train with him but Joe never asked him to TRAIN HIM.
As far as Dan's competitive career is concerned, it really didn't matter. He can't claim to have train Joe Weider unless he asked him to train him. From what I understand, they both worked out together and for Dan to take credit is pretty much a weasel like move on his part.
1939-1942: Dan Lurie, one of the top half dozen bodybuilders in the world. Joe Weider, a Canadian publishing entrepreneur still trying to hit the big time.
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1939-1942: Dan Lurie, one of the top half dozen bodybuilders in the world. Joe Weider, a Canadian publishing entrepreneur still trying to hit the big time.
I think Lurie was one of the first to do the MM pose...looked really good for the time...maybe you can post it Tim
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I think Lurie was one of the first to do the MM pose...looked really good for the time...maybe you can post it Tim
this one?
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this one?
Man...1940? He looks outstanding even for today
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1939-1942: Dan Lurie, one of the top half dozen bodybuilders in the world. Joe Weider, a Canadian publishing entrepreneur still trying to hit the big time.
exactly weider would have been a fool not to ask for training advice.
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vince i don't think it's such a big issue, but i believe dan already winning most muscular man three times at the aau mr america contest, would have lots to tell joe about training seeing joe's underdevloped state. could you imagine a guy coming to your parents house and sleeping in the same bed as you not in a gay sense but because of lack of room and than that same guy screwing you out of 18 grand and than laughing about it to your face.
I'm not defending Joe Weider at all. Telling people that he trained people when he was 14 years old sounds like a tall tale. What I'm saying is that Dan and Joe were birds of the same feather in terms of business. They both played dirty and they both made millions except that Joe got all the prestige and even more money while Dan was relegated to a side show.
But at least Dan posed with his own physique while Joe was pinning his face on other bodybuilders physiques..... ;D
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I'm not defending Joe Weider at all. Telling people that he trained people when he was 14 years old sounds like a tall tale. What I'm saying is that Dan and Joe were birds of the same feather in terms of business. They both played dirty and they both made millions except that Joe got all the prestige and even more money while Dan was relegated to a side show.
But at least Dan posed with his own physique while Joe was pinning his face on other bodybuilders physiques..... ;D
Good post Vince - Spot ON
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this one?
here's more pics from that day.
i have a Lurie mag with an article called 'Meet Boy Wonder'. it is the first published pics of Ferrigno. he looked 16 years old.
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I'm not defending Joe Weider at all. Telling people that he trained people when he was 14 years old sounds like a tall tale. What I'm saying is that Dan and Joe were birds of the same feather in terms of business. They both played dirty and they both made millions except that Joe got all the prestige and even more money while Dan was relegated to a side show.
Great men never play by the rules. Of course, Vince, we would not expect you to know this.
But at least Dan posed with his own physique while Joe was pinning his face on other bodybuilders physiques..... ;D
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here's more pics from that day.
i have a Lurie mag with an article called 'Meet Boy Wonder'. it is the first published pics of Ferrigno. he looked 16 years old.
nice pics i think lurie's leg developement was ahead of his time but i believed he lost his conditioning soon after his contest career ended and he presented somewhat of a bloated appearance on the sealtest show. maybe dan was eating too much of their ice cream as they gave him some{a lot} to take home every week after taping the show.
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interestlingly the worst selling issue of mmi was the lou ferrigno cover. and the best was m o'hearn. would be curious if anyone knows the best and worst selling issues of the other mags md im mti mb mp etc.
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in lurie book he also mentions how bodybuilders were getting pure testosterone injections way back in 1938, predating steroids in america.
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interestlingly the worst selling issue of mmi was the lou ferrigno cover. and the best was m o'hearn. would be curious if anyone knows the best and worst selling issues of the other mags md im mti mb mp etc.
that is surprising, considering the Hulk was at the height of popularity at that point
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in lurie book he also mentions how bodybuilders were getting pure testosterone injections way back in 1938, predating steroids in america.
in that mm shot of him...looks like he may have received one...or more
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interestlingly the worst selling issue of mmi was the lou ferrigno cover. and the best was m o'hearn. would be curious if anyone knows the best and worst selling issues of the other mags md im mti mb mp etc.
Do you think the mag was bought because of Mike O'Hearn, or 20 pounds of Silicon next to him? ;)
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Do you think the mag was bought because of Mike O'Hearn, or 20 pounds of Silicon next to him? ;)
probably a cobination of the two kennedy often put women on his covers alone or with a male yet this one outsold all the rest. gotta love that silicon though.
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silicon vs synthol, i'd take silicon every time.
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two non silicon:i think} mmi covers for the purest out there.
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and finally dr c.f.smith a bodybuilder after my own heart, because doctor smith recommended eating whatever you wanted because a calorie is just a calorie according to dr smith, he often indulged at mickie d's. if only this theory of his was true.
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and finally dr c.f.smith a bodybuilder after my own heart, because doctor smith recommended eating whatever you wanted because a calorie is just a calorie according to dr smith, he often indulged at mickie d's. if only this theory of his was true.
Funk
I recall in that very issue an article talking of CF eating a couple of Big macs, fries and cokes poolside in the very weeks leading up to the America
and he was ripped
musta been a walking pharmacy
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first totally nude cover in a main stream muscle mag. hoffman rolled over in his grave.
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two non silicon:i think} mmi covers for the purest out there.
is Kemper's Diamond Gym still kicking?
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two of my fav hoffman mag silicon covers.
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first totally nude cover in a main stream muscle mag. hoffman rolled over in his grave.
minor point: while really the same company, Strength & Health was Hoffman's mag, Muscular Development was Grimek's
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two of my fav hoffman mag silicon covers.
Funk
you say Hoffman mags
but you know he kicked the bucket in 1985?
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Funk
I recall in that very issue an article talking of CF eating a couple of Big macs, fries and cokes poolside in the very weeks leading up to the America
and he was ripped
musta been a walking pharmacy
don't forget lax cf was an actual doctor and had access to anything he wanted drug wise. he could write his own rx's. some bodybuilders used to steal doctor's precription pads that way they had the keys to the candy store to.
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Funk you say Hoffman mags but you know he kicked the bucket in 1985?
and had been in a nursing home with dementia (or at least senility) long before his byline stopped appearing on articles in S&H
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is Kemper's Diamond Gym still kicking?
it's still going strong but i think john and shirley kemper sold it. bill grant and some up and comers like taylor boyd still train there.
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Funk
you say Hoffman mags
but you know he kicked the bucket in 1985?
yeah i know but once his mag always his mag. just like i know balik bought out ironman ions ago but you'll always associate im with the rader's name.
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minor point: while really the same company, Strength & Health was Hoffman's mag, Muscular Development was Grimek's
i know tim, it's just that i found it strange that a hoffman pub. actually beat weider to the punch on this one. eesp considering how hoffman used to charge weider with publishing pornographic images in his mag. i liked how weider countered by saying the girls in york were so ugly that only joe dube would pose with them.
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don't forget lax cf was an actual doctor and had access to anything he wanted drug wise. he could write his own rx's. some bodybuilders used to steal doctor's precription pads that way they had the keys to the candy store to.
yeah
he was an MD
I recall hearing of such thefts
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and had been in a nursing home with dementia (or at least senility) long before his byline stopped appearing on articles in S&H
Yes, Tim
I recall back then even hearing that the publishers stalled on revealing his death so as to make it seem he was still in control...true or not, I do recall hearing that
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it's still going strong but i think john and shirley kemper sold it. bill grant and some up and comers like taylor boyd still train there.
I remember when Kemper would regularly place high in the America....never could annex it outright, though
I think he may have ended up winning the master's A
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joe dube the only guy who would pose with girls from york.
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joe dube the only guy who would pose with girls from york.
I would imagine Joe's heart stopped on him quite some time ago...?
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I would imagine Joe's heart stopped on him quite some time ago...?
joe dube is still alive at sixty five, and remains the last american to have won a world championship in olympic style lifting in poland 1969.
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joe dube is still alive at sixty five, and remains the last american to have won a world championship in olympic style lifting in poland 1969.
damn
that is great
just looked so fat
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dube's sh cover.
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and finally dr c.f.smith a bodybuilder after my own heart, because doctor smith recommended eating whatever you wanted because a calorie is just a calorie according to dr smith, he often indulged at mickie d's. if only this theory of his was true.
Damn great old mag covers got anyomre?
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Damn great old mag covers got anyomre?
while i own most of the mags that i post , i actually take them off tim fogarty's site musclememory.com . go on there and you can pretty much view almost every muscle magazine cover as well as the index in the mag. pic of first mag i ever bought.
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while i own most of the mags that i post , i actually take them off tim fogarty's site musclememory.com . go on there and you can pretty much view almost every muscle magazine cover as well as the index in the mag. pic of first mag i ever bought.
Dude thats Ralph Kroger I met him once this is cool as hell
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pic of my first training manual i followed when i was eight years old. exercises still the same after almost 50 years. abe goldberg on the cover and inside demoing the moves.
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pic of my first training manual i followed when i was eight years old. exercises still the same after almost 50 years. abe goldberg on the cover and inside demoing the moves.
Nothing has changed for building the body is the same today as yesterday only drugs have been introduced. Got any Vince Gironda mags he was a craggy old man but knew alot.
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Dude thats Ralph Kroger I met him once this is cool as hell
couple more kroger covers.
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kroger, those kids are pretty old by now.
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Kroger looked like crap in clothes but when he dropped them the dude was massive met him in Minnesota in the late 80's
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Nothing has changed for building the body is the same today as yesterday only drugs have been introduced. Got any Vince Gironda mags he was a craggy old man but knew alot.
didn't know of many gironda mags i remember he was on a back cover of muscle builder when he was 50 yo. also put out a book unleashing the wild physique.
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Kroger looked like crap in clothes but when he dropped them the dude was massive met him in Minnesota in the late 80's
his career as a builder was pretty much winding down then.
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his career as a builder was pretty much winding down then.
Yep great chest massive he was a very nice a person as well
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vince g at his best
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vince g at his best
Dude you got some good old pics, Vince was in his 40's there I'm sure cranky old dude that knew his stuff
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old pics
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the guy in the pic above wasn't even the best bodybuilder in his own town of perth amboy nj. that honor went to john grimek. lurie encountered this guy in the mr america contest. steve stanko had to be placed on the posing dais because he had bad legs he nevertheless won the contest.
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the guy in the pic above wasn't even the best bodybuilder in his own town of perth amboy nj. that honor went to john grimek. lurie encountered this guy in the mr america contest. steve stanko had to be placed on the posing dais because he had bad legs he nevertheless won the contest.
hey Funk
please clarify that statement...
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the contest was contested in a boxing ring guys had to climb into the ring to pose, when stanko's turn came the lights went out and stanko appeared in the ring, because he had plebitis and wasn't able to climb into the ring on his own. john grimek and steve stanko were both from perth amboy new jersey hard to believe that two mr a were from such a small area. both guys worked for york barbell.
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grimek still looked good when hercules reg park visited york barbell.
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the contest was contested in a boxing ring guys had to climb into the ring to pose, when stanko's turn came the lights went out and stanko appeared in the ring, because he had plebitis and wasn't able to climb into the ring on his own. john grimek and steve stanko were both from perth amboy new jersey hard to believe that two mr a were from such a small area. both guys worked for york barbell.
damn
did not know that
thanks!
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what was said at the time to be the greatest exercise photo ever taken.
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John Grimek was amazing just think if had drugs in his time?
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what was said at the time to be the greatest exercise photo ever taken.
wonder who owns many of these original photos?
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wonder who owns many of these original photos?
Maybe we should ask Funk51 if he knows?
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Dude you got some good old pics,
ummm, most of them he grabbed off of my sites (which includes danlurie.com)
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than read this book.
I read part of this book. It's such bullshit. Joe Weider wrote that Arnold and Franco used to train light on arms where they would use 40 pound dumbells for alternate curls. Allthewhile he was using the 70s and so they got stronger from following his example. ::)
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John Grimek was amazing just think if had drugs in his time?
testosterone esters were available and mentioned in Strength & Health (Grimek's mag) in 1938
(yeah I know, here we go again)
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testosterone esters were available and mentioned in Strength & Health (Grimek's mag) in 1938
(yeah I know, here we go again)
;D
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the contest was contested in a boxing ring guys had to climb into the ring to pose, when stanko's turn came the lights went out and stanko appeared in the ring, because he had plebitis and wasn't able to climb into the ring on his own.
Thats very interesting. Didnt know this, was it a guarded secret ?
He had leg development, how did this condition (the advanced varicose/phlebitis) affect training, could he train legs, or did it come late in career?
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Thats very interesting. Didnt know this, was it a guarded secret ?
He had leg development, how did this condition (the advanced varicose/phlebitis) affect training, could he train legs, or did it come late in career?
would that include bulging varicosities in the legs?
rather unsilghtly and very painful if so....likely could not train em...but who knows....Funk, Stuntmovie?
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vince g at his best
Vince was a grumpy, strange old motherf***er...but he was well ahead of his time!
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Vince was a grumpy, strange old motherf***er...but he was well ahead of his time!
Ive got "unleashing the wild physique" (as Im sure do a lot of you), great read.
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Vince was a grumpy, strange old motherf***er...but he was well ahead of his time!
i read that when Vince met Arnold he was told ' this is Arnold S. Mr. Universe'. Vince replied 'yeah, well he looks like a fat fuck to me!'
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Vince forbade guys from doing squats in his gym, so much so that he'd kick them out if they ever tried. That, coming from a guy with pencil thighs...
(http://www.teenbodybuilding.com/vince49.jpg)
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John Grimek was amazing just think if had drugs in his time?
he actually did use them for a time when dr. john zeigler came to york, he along with the good doctor were guinea pigs., and so pandora's box was fully open.
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Maybe we should ask Funk51 if he knows?
don't really know who has the original photos, but i have most of the pics in mags that i have. when you look at these old mags you got to be impressed by a lot of these pioneers. pic of one such bob hinds.
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ummm, most of them he grabbed off of my sites (which includes danlurie.com)
some but not all, i always tell people to go to your sites esp musclememory.com best history site out there. only giving credit where credit is due. plus i'm way too lazy and computer illiterate to scan and duly shrink all my mags and books to post. pic of bob galluci said to be a natural?
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I read part of this book. It's such bullshit. Joe Weider wrote that Arnold and Franco used to train light on arms where they would use 40 pound dumbells for alternate curls. Allthewhile he was using the 70s and so they got stronger from following his example. ::)
methinks he is lying about useing 70's, judging by his pics.
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testosterone esters were available and mentioned in Strength & Health (Grimek's mag) in 1938
(yeah I know, here we go again)
that's the date lurie stated in his book also.
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Vince was a grumpy, strange old motherf***er...but he was well ahead of his time!
i esply. like how he was said to disrespect arnold s when weider first sent him to vince's gym to train.
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methinks he is lying about useing 70's, judging by his pics.
and even if he could that would prove the adage that weight doesn't always equal muscle size {gains}
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what i really like about browsing old pics is the guys you are surprised by how good they were and little was said or written about them bob shealy circa 1952 just saw pics of him today.
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two more shealy pics gleemed off ironage.com.
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to your way of thinking what was the biggest travesty commited in a contest regarding placing. to me it was jerry daniels than bob gadja beating sergio oliva for aau mr a and than soon after sergio won mister olympia.
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what i really like about browsing old pics is the guys you are surprised by how good they were and little was said or written about them bob shealy circa 1952 just saw pics of him today.
damn
looked great
nothing on him at musclememory, either...Tim?
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nothing on him at musclememory, either...Tim?
Bob Shealey
1952
Mr California - AAU, Winner
Junior Mr America - AAU, 2nd
Mr Los Angeles - AAU, 2nd
Mr Southern California - AAU, Winner
1956
Mr USA, 5th
1957
Mr USA, Most Muscular, 1st
no magazine covers, though
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another underrated early bber
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another harris pic off mm.com
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i wish i could find the list i made up of all the guys who won the most muscular award yet not the overall at the aau mr america contest. like lurie did three years running.
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i wish i could find the list i made up of all the guys who won the most muscular award yet not the overall at the aau mr america contest. like lurie did three years running.
1940 Grimek, John
1941 Schusterich, Ludwig
1942 Lurie, Dan
1943 Lurie, Dan
1944 Lurie, Dan
1945 Ross, Clarence
1946 Loprinzi, Sam
1947 Pedersen, Eric
1948 Rodriguez, Elias
1949 Wells, Melvin
1950 Wells, Melvin
1951 Hilligenn, Roy
1953 Paine, George
1954 Paine, George
1955 Schaefer, Ray
1956 Harris, Art
1957 Lacy, Ron
1958 Sansone, Tom
1959 Harris, Art
1960 Lerille, Lloyd
1961 Labra, Hugo
1962 Poole, Harold
1963 Poole, Harold
1964 Seno, Bill
1965 Oliva, Sergio
1966 Oliva, Sergio
1967 Tinerino, Dennis
1968 Coe, Boyer
1969 Coe, Boyer
1970 Dickerson, Chris
1970 Lopez, Anibal
1971 Viator, Casey
1972 Grymkowski, Pete
1973 Morris, Jim
1975 Robinson, Robby
1976 Means, Joe
1977 Johns, Dave
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1940 Grimek, John
1941 Schusterich, Ludwig
1942 Lurie, Dan
1943 Lurie, Dan
1944 Lurie, Dan
1945 Ross, Clarence
1946 Loprinzi, Sam
1947 Pedersen, Eric
1948 Rodriguez, Elias
1949 Wells, Melvin
1950 Wells, Melvin
1951 Hilligenn, Roy
1953 Paine, George
1954 Paine, George
1955 Schaefer, Ray
1956 Harris, Art
1957 Lacy, Ron
1958 Sansone, Tom
1959 Harris, Art
1960 Lerille, Lloyd
1961 Labra, Hugo
1962 Poole, Harold
1963 Poole, Harold
1964 Seno, Bill
1965 Oliva, Sergio
1966 Oliva, Sergio
1967 Tinerino, Dennis
1968 Coe, Boyer
1969 Coe, Boyer
1970 Dickerson, Chris
1970 Lopez, Anibal
1971 Viator, Casey
1972 Grymkowski, Pete
1973 Morris, Jim
1975 Robinson, Robby
1976 Means, Joe
1977 Johns, Dave
thanks tim , you have to admit that's a pretty impressive list of guys who didn't win overall yet won the most muscular. quite a few went on to eventually win the overall but a lot didn't.
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thanks tim , you have to admit that's a pretty impressive list of guys who didn't win overall yet won the most muscular. quite a few went on to eventually win the overall but a lot didn't.
the Most Muscular award was based solely on muscularity, as how contests have been judged since the late 1970s. The overall winner was suppose to be the best representation of the American male. Judging criteria also included overall appearance, grooming, speaking ability, and achievements in other sports. The winner of the Mr America was almost always not the most muscular person on the stage.
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another harris pic off mm.com
i think i have that pic on a Muscle Builder cover. yellow background
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the Most Muscular award was based solely on muscularity, as how contests have been judged since the late 1970s. The overall winner was suppose to be the best representation of the American male. Judging criteria also included overall appearance, grooming, speaking ability, and achievements in other sports. The winner of the Mr America was almost always not the most muscular person on the stage.
All jokes aside, besides the weightlifting round, it was pretty much a bbing equivalent of a beauty pageant ? Was there an interview round?
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All jokes aside, besides the weightlifting round, it was pretty much a bbing equivalent of a beauty pageant ? Was there an interview round?
yes, part of the back-stage prejudging
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yes, part of the back-stage prejudging
i guess a lot of it had to do with appearances around the country, it won't have been good business to have harold poole stuttering about the merits of york barbells.
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harold with bob gadja mr a 40 some odd years after there heydays.
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truly one of bodybuildings cathederals wag's gym.
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wag's vintage and hardcore gym.
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harold with bob gadja mr a 40 some odd years after there heydays.
Didn't gajda purport to have defeated Arnold in comp?
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Didn't gajda purport to have defeated Arnold in comp?
yeah he said it, but he must have borrowed the old weider adage say something enough times and people will believe it to be true. i don't think he ever beat him, only zane , yorton and sergio come to mind, i'll have to check musclememory.com to see if there were others.
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yeah he said it, but he must have borrowed the old weider adage say something enough times and people will believe it to be true. i don't think he ever beat him, only zane , yorton and sergio come to mind, i'll have to check musclememory.com to see if there were others.
yes
and whomever he lost to in his first three teen shows
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yeah he said it, but he must have borrowed the old weider adage say something enough times and people will believe it to be true. i don't think he ever beat him, only zane , yorton and sergio come to mind, i'll have to check musclememory.com to see if there were others.
I don't see how Gajda could have made that claim, as his one and only international competition was in 1966, the FICH Universe, which was part of and limited to those who were also competing in the FICH World Weightlifting Championships. In 1966, Arnold had not yet conquered Europe.
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I don't see how Gajda could have made that claim, as his one and only international competition was in 1966, the FICH Universe, which was part of and limited to those who were also competing in the FICH World Weightlifting Championships. In 1966, Arnold had not yet conquered Europe.
not 100 percent sure but i think he made it in a bodybuilding.com interview. maybe he figures because he beat sergio o in the mr america contest that gives him a win over arnold s.
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I don't see how Gajda could have made that claim, as his one and only international competition was in 1966, the FICH Universe, which was part of and limited to those who were also competing in the FICH World Weightlifting Championships. In 1966, Arnold had not yet conquered Europe.
Tim
I think the story goes that A guested at that show Gajda was in, and Gajda purportedly said he looked better than A that day...and maybe thios statement 'morphed' into a Gajda win?
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not 100 percent sure but i think he made it in a bodybuilding.com interview. maybe he figures because he beat sergio o in the mr america contest that gives him a win over arnold s.
dang
never saw that pick...he looked great
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going back to an earlier part of this thread tom sansone early death, i know reference page 334 of dan lurie's book.documented deaths from steroids 1975-2007. the soiurce is given as the u.s. dept. of drugs and alcohol.bodybuilders 1289 deaths, pro wrestlers 985 deaths. athletes 21 and older 1374 deaths, under 21 364. women 21 and older 119 deaths, under 21 88 deaths. for the past 27 years 156 deaths a year on average are reported. where are they getting these numbers?
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supposed to read i now ref. pic of bob gadja earning his athletic points for the mister a contest.
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photo of weightlifters circa 1900 esp look at man without metals all over him pretty decent arm size pre peds.
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sergio trying to earn his.
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sergio
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sergio maybe the best genes ever?
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who needs synthol.
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going back to an earlier part of this thread tom sansone early death, i know reference page 334 of dan lurie's book.documented deaths from steroids 1975-2007. the soiurce is given as the u.s. dept. of drugs and alcohol.bodybuilders 1289 deaths, pro wrestlers 985 deaths. athletes 21 and older 1374 deaths, under 21 364. women 21 and older 119 deaths, under 21 88 deaths. for the past 27 years 156 deaths a year on average are reported. where are they getting these numbers?
go over to bb.com and ask David Robson.
sounds like a bunch of bs to me. you can't OD on steroids. yet a single shot of insulin can kill you. Many deaths due to DNP. and too many athletes use amphetamines and cocaine as a performance enhancing drug.
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who needs synthol.
underrated dude.
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going back to an earlier part of this thread tom sansone early death, i know reference page 334 of dan lurie's book.documented deaths from steroids 1975-2007. the soiurce is given as the u.s. dept. of drugs and alcohol.bodybuilders 1289 deaths, pro wrestlers 985 deaths. athletes 21 and older 1374 deaths, under 21 364. women 21 and older 119 deaths, under 21 88 deaths. for the past 27 years 156 deaths a year on average are reported. where are they getting these numbers?
I heard on a news report recently that only 3 documented deaths in US/year from steroids
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I heard on a news report recently that only 3 documented deaths in US/year from steroids
that's what i thought i don't know where he gets these whacky numbers.
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go over to bb.com and ask David Robson.
sounds like a bunch of bs to me. you can't OD on steroids. yet a single shot of insulin can kill you. Many deaths due to DNP. and too many athletes use amphetamines and cocaine as a performance enhancing drug.
i agree i think it is pretty irresponsible posting these numbers. it reminds me of one of bill pearl's last books it was pretty good until he included a chapter on sri chimmoy. give me a break this guy claimed some crazy lifts and a well respected guy like bill pearl gives credence to this foolishness.
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old bill
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i agree i think it is pretty irresponsible posting these numbers. it reminds me of one of bill pearl's last books it was pretty good until he included a chapter on sri chimmoy. give me a break this guy claimed some crazy lifts and a well respected guy like bill pearl gives credence to this foolishness.
I saw Chinmoy lift Pearl and another guy (may have been Dan Lurie) at Demilia's NY NOC a couple of years back....found it kinda dubious
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sri chimmoy is a fake i don't understand why anyone would give this guy any credence. in lurie's book second last chapter dan claims to have 20 inch arms what is it with this number a guy with possibly 16 or so claiming 20, you should have at least a 18 inch legit arm to claim 20 mike m had a 18 and three quarter inch arm and that was large.
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another good read is a book called steroid nation.
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Looking for "Babe" Stansbury and found some pics of Bob Shealy. Back in 1956 I was a dorky
kid from Nebraska who'd read Babe's story in Muscle Power. Family took a vacation in L.A. and
I found I was staying four blocks from his gym. I ran over, introduced myself, paid the five
bucks for the week and started working out. Babe was one of the nicest, kindest men I ever
met. He introduced me to Bob Shealy who was doing front pullups and literally bending the
bar with his chest. Impressed? Oh boy! He also taught me how to spin a 360 on the dance
floor. The people in Babe's gym were all kind to me and very helpful. I never became a big body
builder but these men were heroes to me and I remember them well. Wish I could find that issue
of Muscle Power or, at least, a picture of Babe. He was an incredible man.
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Looking for "Babe" Stansbury and found some pics of Bob Shealy. Back in 1956 I was a dorky
kid from Nebraska who'd read Babe's story in Muscle Power. Family took a vacation in L.A. and
I found I was staying four blocks from his gym. I ran over, introduced myself, paid the five
bucks for the week and started working out. Babe was one of the nicest, kindest men I ever
met. He introduced me to Bob Shealy who was doing front pullups and literally bending the
bar with his chest. Impressed? Oh boy! He also taught me how to spin a 360 on the dance
floor. The people in Babe's gym were all kind to me and very helpful. I never became a big body
builder but these men were heroes to me and I remember them well. Wish I could find that issue
of Muscle Power or, at least, a picture of Babe. He was an incredible man.
good story. wasn't babe stansbury the crippled guy with the large arms who ran a gym. if so i think there's an article in an old ironman about him.
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pics of duchaine star of steroid nation book and dennis tinnerino trying to get his ath points for aau mr a.
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;D bring back thread ::)