Heart of Steel - the Dan Lurie Story

[Figo]

look at the photo.  who has muscles?  who doesn't?

Exactly. The trainer of champions subscribed to those who cant, teach theory.

Problem is, he was the promoter of champions.

[emn1964]

Exactly. The trainer of champions subscribed to those who cant, teach theory.

Problem is, he was the promoter of champions.

those who can do, those who can't become schmoes

[Figo]

those who can do, those who can't become schmoes

In this case, wealthy schmoes, and got it by mainly exploiting.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

look at the photo.  who has muscles?  who doesn't?

Its Dan, which proves my point.  If Dan actually trained Joe, he would have some muscle.

Joe always put someone elses body on his head and called it his own from him to Robby Robinson.



In any event, Joe Weider is older than Dan

[timfogarty]

Its Dan, which proves my point.  If Dan actually trained Joe, he would have some muscle.

the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s.   The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times.   For this you accuse Dan of being a liar.  Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.

In any event, Joe Weider is older than Dan

1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.

[funk51]

didn't ferrigno call him that epithet right after that shot was taken, like, later that same day?

Funk, you are quite the historian...thanks!

            you have that story right lax ferrigno was friendly at first and for some reason his demeanor changed a few hours later.

[funk51]

               don't know what this has to do with lurie but pretty entertaining no less.

[funk51]

Funk, is that true?

he didn';t pay Scott?

never heard that....

                      weider actually admits this himself on page 159 of his book brothers of iron. he also said that next year 66 when larry won he got the 1000 this time.

[lax]

            you have that story right lax ferrigno was friendly at first and for some reason his demeanor changed a few hours later.

yes
I read the whole deal about that along with an event where Ferrigno showed up to compete at Mountain Park, Holyoke, Mass-Jubinville show...actually wanted $ to compete...ed told him hell no...he stomped on the posing platform as if it were not strong enough to hold his ponderous bulk....but really th4e deal was I think it may have been Leon Brown who was there and LF knew he'd get creamed by him

[lax]

                      weider actually admits this himself on page 159 of his book brothers of iron. he also said that next year 66 when larry won he got the 1000 this time.

hah

but he never retroactively pain h9im the 1st 1K

I have that book, read it...musta forgot that

[funk51]

HA ha HA!!!  On Dan's website in the trainer section, he claims to have trained Joe Weider!!!!!!!


ORLY??

Lying ass @#@#$#

                       yeah don't he know joe invented  bodybuilding and every exercise known to man at his non-existing weider research clinic, i heard that there was a broom closet in the weider building that had this sign on it.

[funk51]

the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s.   The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times.   For this you accuse Dan of being a liar.  Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.

1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.

           good point.

[lax]

                       yeah don't he know joe invented  bodybuilding and every exercise known to man at his non-existing weider research clinic, i heard that there was a broom closet in the weider building that had this sign on it.

No Funk...it was actually an office where the editors worked according to what Zane told me...not a clinic tho with lab coatted docs, certainly...Zane had disdain bc he said most of the staff were never there...off getting their master's degrees on Joe's dime

[funk51]

I know that is doc tilney seated, Funk...who is on the left?

           joe thaler, check out his career on musclememory.com.

[funk51]

No Funk...it was actually an office where the editors worked according to what Zane told me...not a clinic tho with lab coatted docs, certainly...Zane had disdain bc he said most of the staff were never there...off getting their master's degrees on Joe's dime

yeah i think he did have a room later on but at first it was a figment of joe's imagination. remember joe's adage, tell a lie often enough and sooner or later people will believe it.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

the photo was when both were in their late teens or early 20s.   The statement on Dan's website means nothing more than Dan, the more experienced weight lifter, took his friend (at the time) Joe, still a newbie, to his gym a few times.   For this you accuse Dan of being a liar.  Yet Joe can claim he was training champions at age 14.

1922 plus or minus a year for Joe (the doctor failed to file a birth certificate until a few years later), vs 1923 for Dan.

Taking someone to the gym to work out with you doesn't qualify them to state that they were their "trainer"......


Joe may have played dirty but so did Dan.   That's business and Joe won the battle.  Dan should be happy that he made millions and leave it at that

[funk51]

pic from a distance and joe in 1951 mr u in pants.

[lax]

pic from a distance and joe in 1951 mr u in pants.

the new jersey location

Yes
reg told him if he did not compete, then neither would Reg
gotta admit, Joe would do ANYTHING  to succeed

[timfogarty]

Taking someone to the gym to work out with you doesn't qualify them to state that they were their "trainer"......

it doesn't say he was his trainer.  It says he trained him.   Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.

I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo.    Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense.   And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.

[dr.chimps]

it doesn't say he was his trainer.  It says he trained him.   Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.

I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo.    Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense.   And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.

It's a recessive Uncle Tom gene. Truly a sad case. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

it doesn't say he was his trainer.  It says he trained him.   Once, for free, is enough for that statement to be true.

I've never understood why you are such a defender of the status quo.    Someone says something negative about those in power, you jump to their (those in power) defense.   And you're so quick to degrade the underdog.

I trained with Charles Dixon years ago when we were both at Golds Gym in Greenville.  Does that mean that I can all of sudden put down on my website that I was the trainer of IFBB pro Charles Dixon? Uuuuh No....

That type of thinking is stupid.  Let me put it to you this way so you can understand......If you take a guy home from the club and sleep with them, does that make him your boyfriend???  No......

Its no different from that guys that claim to be the trainers of IFBB pros when all they did was casually associate with them such as help them put more weights on the bar or put his food in a microwave or etc.

You should only take credit for what its ACTUALLY WORTH.

I'm not defending Dan because he did the same things that Joe did and Joe just happened to win. 

[timfogarty]

I trained with Charles Dixon years ago when we were both at Golds Gym in Greenville.  Does that mean that I can all of sudden put down on my website that I was the trainer of IFBB pro Charles Dixon? Uuuuh No....

not trained with, but trained.   and not trainer, but trained or trained by.  those prepositions are what make statements true or false.   if you taught him something that he didn't know, then yes you can say you trained him.

You should only take credit for what its ACTUALLY WORTH.

I agree.  And it is likely that 21 year old Dan Lurie, already 3 time winner of AAU Most Muscular Man in America was able to teach a skinny 24 year old Joe Weider a thing or two about weight lifting.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

not trained with, but trained.   and not trainer, but trained or trained by.  those prepositions are what make statements true or false.   if you taught him something that he didn't know, then yes you can say you trained him.

I agree.  And it is likely that 21 year old Dan Lurie, already 3 time winner of AAU Most Muscular Man in America was able to teach a skinny 24 year old Joe Weider a thing or two about weight lifting.

Wrong....Tim. No-one can claim that they were their trainer unless they specifically asked him or her to train them.  Joe Weider may have asked Dan to train with him but Joe never asked him to TRAIN HIM. 

As far as Dan's competitive career is concerned, it really didn't matter.  He can't claim to have train Joe Weider unless he asked him to train him.  From what I understand, they both worked out together and for Dan to take credit is pretty much a weasel like move on his part. 

[funk51]

Wrong....Tim. No-one can claim that they were their trainer unless they specifically asked him or her to train them.  Joe Weider may have asked Dan to train with him but Joe never asked him to TRAIN HIM. 

As far as Dan's competitive career is concerned, it really didn't matter.  He can't claim to have train Joe Weider unless he asked him to train him.  From what I understand, they both worked out together and for Dan to take credit is pretty much a weasel like move on his part. 

                      vince i don't think it's such a big issue, but i believe dan already winning most muscular man three times at the aau mr america contest, would have lots to tell joe about training seeing joe's underdevloped state. could you imagine a guy coming to your parents house and sleeping in the same bed as you not in a gay sense but because of lack of room and than that same guy screwing you out of 18 grand and than laughing about it to your face.

[funk51]

and don't forget joe weider's moniker trainer of champions. i'm sure he taught arnold how to lift weights.