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Hardball on MSNBC about to cover it. Will be on at 7:17 PM EST, then again at 12:17 AM EST
Hahaha... wow... there are some seriously passionate people out there pissed about this birth cert. And the mainstream media is shitting all over it.
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True enough.
But why doesn't Obama just show everyone the birth certificate?
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I'm confused. Chris mathews just held up the hawaii birth cert that obama released.
what is the piece of paper all the 'birthers' are so passionate about?
this meeting just had what sounded like hundreds of people going nuts, demanding this birth certificate.
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I'm confused. Chris mathews just held up the hawaii birth cert that obama released.
what is the piece of paper all the 'birthers' are so passionate about?
this meeting just had what sounded like hundreds of people going nuts, demanding this birth certificate.
Well, that settles that.
Unless that isn't the Birth Cert. but something else related. I just heard that there was the "official" one that he won't bother releasing and instead there is some form of other document that's like a Birth Cert. but not a Birth Cert.
I think. I don't know.
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question is, is MSNBC's ratings that bad that they need to give time and a voice to these ppl?
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now, Countdown with Olbermann is about to discuss the issue too.
Reminds me a lot of the 911 truthers. FOX/repub tv was the first to talk about it - shitting all over any mention of a true investigation, even when the 2 co-authors of the 911 commish report agreed we need another investigation as theirs was quite incomplete.
FOX got onboard FIRST to shit all over it and sway their viewers BEFORE they heard any facts. All I know from MSNBC tonight is that people who want to see some birth cert are lunatics, wackos, and clueless. Pretty funny. I don't know any facts about this story - but I now know these folks are crazy.
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now, Countdown with Olbermann is about to discuss the issue too.
Reminds me a lot of the 911 truthers. FOX/repub tv was the first to talk about it - shitting all over any mention of a true investigation, even when the 2 co-authors of the 911 commish report agreed we need another investigation as theirs was quite incomplete.
FOX got onboard FIRST to shit all over it and sway their viewers BEFORE they heard any facts. All I know from MSNBC tonight is that people who want to see some birth cert are lunatics, wackos, and clueless. Pretty funny. I don't know any facts about this story - but I now know these folks are crazy.
did they also bring ppl on those that believe those idiotic rumors about palin and shit on them?
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did they also bring ppl on that believe those idiotic rumors about palin and shit on them?
That's not the way our media complex functions, unfortunately.
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Not sure how legit this information is, but let's see where this goes. If it's false, I'm sure we'll get some corrections (240).
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The uproar is that he released a certificate of live birth not his actual birth certificate. Don't know what document hardball had, but if it isn't the actual birth certificate it is not going to make a difference to those who believe he wasn't born in the US.
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The uproar is that he released a certificate of live birth not his actual birth certificate. Don't know what document hardball had, but if it isn't the actual birth certificate it is not going to make a difference to those who believe he wasn't born in the US.
ahhh okay. I see the difference now, thanks. I can understand ppl being concerned.
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The uproar is that he released a certificate of live birth not his actual birth certificate. Don't know what document hardball had, but if it isn't the actual birth certificate it is not going to make a difference to those who believe he wasn't born in the US.
Thats the "is a birth cert. but not a birth cert." document I was thinking of.
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Exactly like kazan said, that wasn't his birth certificate, that was a certificate of live birth.
Why doesn't Obama just show the birth certificate already?
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True enough.
But why doesn't Obama just show everyone the birth certificate?
all that's required is that he was born in America. For fuck sake the Governor of Hawaii says it's valid and his birth was announced in the paper. Both major political fact checking organizations have confirmed. If the governor recognizes his citizenship as valid, that's the fucking end of the fucking goddamned fucking line. Are we suggesting a freaking conspiracy involving time travel or what? They went back in time and had his birth announced in Hawaii? The Governor has seen the original birth certificate. Good enough fucking proof for me. These guys are starting to look like serious wingbats. Bigger things to talk about right now. Douchebags wasting their time on this crap are fucking idiots.
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I'm confused. Chris mathews just held up the hawaii birth cert that obama released.
what is the piece of paper all the 'birthers' are so passionate about?
this meeting just had what sounded like hundreds of people going nuts, demanding this birth certificate.
they want all the dirty details of the entire extended birth cert. None of which is required to run for president. It's not enough for them that Hawaii's Govenor, a republican that supported McCain, says the birth cert is real. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
idiot fucking morons.
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ahhh okay. I see the difference now, thanks. I can understand ppl being concerned.
It goes beyond that 240, the COLB they released has been proven to have discrepancies and Obama refuses to allow the actual BC to be released.
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all that's required is that he was born in America. For fuck sake the Governor of Hawaii says it's valid and his birth was announced in the paper. Both major political fact checking organizations have confirmed. If the governor recognizes his citizenship as valid, that's the fucking end of the fucking goddamned fucking line. Are we suggesting a freaking conspiracy involving time travel or what? They went back in time and had his birth announced in Hawaii? The Governor has seen the original birth certificate. Good enough fucking proof for me. These guys are starting to look like serious wingbats. Bigger things to talk about right now. Douchebags wasting their time on this crap are fucking idiots.
Whoa. Relax, good buddy. I was just asking as simple question. And I think it's a pertinent one. Hell, my birth cert. is currently 5 ft. away in my safe. Simple as that. Why go through all this shit and lend to so many conspiracy theories by not providing an actual birth cert.?
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Whoa. Relax, good buddy. I was just asking as simple question. And I think it's a pertinent one. Hell, my birth cert. is currently 5 ft. away in my safe. Simple as that. Why go through all this shit and lend to so many conspiracy theories by not providing an actual birth cert.?
did you just ask me the same question that I replied to? Pretty much... :-\
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This is funny, you all finally have some valid bitches about obama and you reach into the bag of got nothing bullshit from the election.... Brilliant ya fucking morons.
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did you just ask me the same question that I replied to? Pretty much... :-\
You ranted and raved but never answered my question. :'( :-\ :'( :-\ :-[
I simply want to know why he can't/won't show his original Birth Cert. I pretty much agree with you on what you said, but I just find it odd that he can't or won't produce his actual original Birth Cert.
It looks like Obama is goading these Birther's on and on to make them look wingbat's and crazy people. If you take a look at the MSNBC segment, it seems to be working.
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You ranted and raved but never answered my question. :'( :-\ :'( :-\ :-[
I simply want to know why he can't/won't show his original Birth Cert. I pretty much agree with you on what you said, but I just find it odd that he can't or won't produce his actual original Birth Cert.
It looks like Obama is goading these Birther's on and on to make them look wingbat's and crazy people. If you take a look at the MSNBC segment, it seems to be working.
Why is he spending millions of dollars defending these lawsuits and seeking every single one thrown out on jurisdictional issues as opposed to the merits of the case itself?
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Lou Dobbs Says Obama Yet to Present Actual Proof of Citizenship - Audio 7/20/09
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This is funny, you all finally have some valid bitches about obama and you reach into the bag of got nothing bullshit from the election.... Brilliant ya fucking morons.
I think the people who are concerned about the birth certif are ones that do have valid beefs. They are probably thinking if they can prove he does not have the qualifying requirements to be our president, all these policies/bills they perceive as being detrimental to our country will be nullified.
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I think the people who are concerned about the birth certif are ones that do have valid beefs. They are probably thinking if they can prove he does not have the qualifying requirements to be our president, all these policies/bills they perceive as being detrimental to our country will be nullified.
Look, if Bush did the same thing, people would be asking the same questions. It does seem bizarre that he wont release the damn thing and spends millions defendin g these suits on jurisdiction issues as opposed to the merits.
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Look, if Bush did the same thing, people would be asking the same questions. It does seem bizarre that he wont release the damn thing and spends millions defendin g these suits on jurisdiction issues as opposed to the merits.
I agree.
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You ranted and raved but never answered my question. :'( :-\ :'( :-\ :-[
I simply want to know why he can't/won't show his original Birth Cert. I pretty much agree with you on what you said, but I just find it odd that he can't or won't produce his actual original Birth Cert.
It looks like Obama is goading these Birther's on and on to make them look wingbat's and crazy people. If you take a look at the MSNBC segment, it seems to be working.
Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.
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Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.
But I don't see how that could be held against him as an infant. He wouldn't have made any decisions for Islam (or whatever belief system) as a baby.
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Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.
hahahaha....How in the hell can you list a newborn baby as having a religious belief??
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I received an email that claims that on Obama's first day in office he signed Executive Order 13489 which deems that only records he chooses to be made public will be released.
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf
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"Sec.2
Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records
When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege."
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
January 21, 2009
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489
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PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:
(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee.
(b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.
(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.
(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.
(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.
(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.
(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.
(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.
Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
(b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.
Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.
(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.
(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.
(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.
Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of privilege.
(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 21, 2009.
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hahahaha....How in the hell can you list a newborn baby as having a religious belief??
Did you ever stop to think that just maybe the parents could have that put on it?
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But I don't see how that could be held against him as an infant. He wouldn't have made any decisions for Islam (or whatever belief system) as a baby.
Islam is not like Christianity, if you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim.
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Islam is not like Christianity, if you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim.
WHERE IS THE BC?
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you fellas aint nothign,,but some jokers on getbig seriously all jokers,,,,
OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL CERITIFED AMERICAN CITIZEN WHY CANT YOU FELLAS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD,,,HE IS SERVING THE GRETATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IN A TIME OF DPRESSION,,YOU GUYS ARE CRYING OVER IT IM NOT GONNA SAY NAMES,,,BUT SOME OF FELLAS ARE RACIST THAT A BLACK MAN CAN BE PRESIDENT ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER DOING PUBLIC SERVICE TO AMERICA WHILE IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS HE USED TO GO BY FOOT,,,TO EACH HOME AND TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO HELP NEIGHBORS AS A YOUNG KID GROWING UP ALL THE WAY TO COLLEGE,,GET THIS RIGHT HE WILL BE ELECTED AGAIN TO SERVE YOUR GREAT COUNTRY AND YET BE BASHED AT THE SAME FOR FIXING WHAT IS BROKEN THE SYSTEM,,
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What in the fuck did you just try to say jock?
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Jock, what in the hell did you just type?
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This place is filled with morons.
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This place is filled with morons.
Here you go - TA - this is perfect for you.
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Yep..because we don't agree with the great and vaunted TA. I don't think Barry has anything to hide, but Barry should put this to rest so we can move on to all the really important bullshit this guy is hiding.
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This place is filled with morons.
Sound like the pot calling the kettle (PC version) another color
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you fellas aint nothign,,but some jokers on getbig seriously all jokers,,,,
OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL CERITIFED AMERICAN CITIZEN WHY CANT YOU FELLAS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD,,,HE IS SERVING THE GRETATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IN A TIME OF DPRESSION,,YOU GUYS ARE CRYING OVER IT IM NOT GONNA SAY NAMES,,,BUT SOME OF FELLAS ARE RACIST THAT A BLACK MAN CAN BE PRESIDENT ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER DOING PUBLIC SERVICE TO AMERICA WHILE IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS HE USED TO GO BY FOOT,,,TO EACH HOME AND TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO HELP NEIGHBORS AS A YOUNG KID GROWING UP ALL THE WAY TO COLLEGE,,GET THIS RIGHT HE WILL BE ELECTED AGAIN TO SERVE YOUR GREAT COUNTRY AND YET BE BASHED AT THE SAME FOR FIXING WHAT IS BROKEN THE SYSTEM,,
Your inane rantings are really starting to get old. As you soon as you don't like something someone says you play the race card.
Get a life, better yet take a language arts course.
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Your inane rantings are really starting to get old. As you soon as you don't like something someone says you play the race card.
Get a life, better yet take a language arts course.
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THIS IS WHAT THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD LOOK LIKE:
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Did you ever stop to think that just maybe the parents could have that put on it?
Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"
Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.
My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.
I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.
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Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"
Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.
My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.
I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.
Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other presdient did and release the real BC?
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See...thats the point. How come none of the O supporters on here won't admit that he should release what he has and be done with it.
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Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"
Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.
My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.
I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.
Oh wow another person that thinks their opinion trumps all others. Guess what, no one is going to change the way birth certificates are filled out simply because you feel it is asinine. And the customary liberal personal attack.
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The dumbing down of America
I am surprised that there are so many misled or ignorant people out there.
These are the ones who believe in the Bush's and Cheney's who dodged wars and find fault with The Kerry's and Gores who enlisted. This is truly worrisome.
Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for POTUS, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! If there was any evidence he isn't a citizen, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! These folks need to turn off right-wing radio!
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Oh wow another person that thinks their opinion trumps all others. Guess what, no one is going to change the way birth certificates are filled out simply because you feel it is asinine. And the customary liberal personal attack.
My whole point was not to defend Obama or his nationality. It was the idea of labeling a newborn baby a believer in the Islamic faith.
Are you really this dense that you can't figure it out??
Now move along before you continue to make an even bigger ass out yourself.
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1) myabe it says 'muslim'.
2) there will be tens of thousands of rednecks in the appalacain and other areas who will take this as proof he's not a christian. It's true. that "he's an arab!" lady from the mccain rally would claim she has proof. it would be used to smear him in 2012.
Already, the guest on hardball said obama would have to prove he can run again in 2012, if his bill passes.
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I thought the point was that he wasn't born here etc.....not whether he's a muslim.
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1) myabe it says 'muslim'.
2) there will be tens of thousands of rednecks in the appalacain and other areas who will take this as proof he's not a christian. It's true. that "he's an arab!" lady from the mccain rally would claim she has proof. it would be used to smear him in 2012.
Already, the guest on hardball said obama would have to prove he can run again in 2012, if his bill passes.
LETS DO THIS AGAIN:
Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other president did and release the real BC?
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hardball's top story = birthers again.
The old nut who shot a guy at the holocaust museum = a birther.
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hardball's top story = birthers again.
The old nut who shot a guy at the holocaust museum = a birther.
Yeah I'm watching it right now.
Love Chris Matthews.
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Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for POTUS, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! If there was any evidence he isn't a citizen, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! These folks need to turn off right-wing radio!
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
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LETS DO THIS AGAIN:
Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other president did and release the real BC?
maybe, because that 'muslim' clause would cost him a lot of votes.
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Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for POTUS, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! If there was any evidence he isn't a citizen, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! These folks need to turn off right-wing radio!
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
You've already asked that question.
I agree with you bro, but fcuk....give it a rest.
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Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for POTUS, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! If there was any evidence he isn't a citizen, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! These folks need to turn off right-wing radio!
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
A THIRD TIME:
LETS DO THIS AGAIN:
Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other president did and release the real BC?
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BECAUSE PEOPLE ON HERE DON'T GET IT .I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THAT MANY DUMMIES AROUND
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hardball's top story = birthers again.
The old nut who shot a guy at the holocaust museum = a birther.
I've been noticing Rudy Guliani's has been making the rounds here in the last few days, blasting Obama every chance he gets.
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BECAUSE PEOPLE ON HERE DON'T GET IT .I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THAT MANY DUMMIES AROUND
Dont get what? You cant answer my question. Why is he sending teams of lawyers all over the nation to defend these lawsuits at a cost of millions of dollars when all he has to do is release the the damn BC, like every other president has?
I dont know exactly what is on there, but is seems extrermely strange that all he has to do is make a phone call to make all thia go away.
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I've been noticing Rudy Guliani's has been making the rounds here in the last few days, blasting Obama every chance he gets.
Even at DU that are sick of Obama, just for different reasons.
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BECAUSE THE NUTJOBS WOULD SAY ITS FAKE.
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BECAUSE THE NUTJOBS WOULD SAY ITS FAKE.
Not true. He has to give permission to the State of HI to release the long form BC and its over.
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You ranted and raved but never answered my question. :'( :-\ :'( :-\ :-[
I simply want to know why he can't/won't show his original Birth Cert. I pretty much agree with you on what you said, but I just find it odd that he can't or won't produce his actual original Birth Cert.
It looks like Obama is goading these Birther's on and on to make them look wingbat's and crazy people. If you take a look at the MSNBC segment, it seems to be working.
I'm going to take a wild guess at brilliant political strategy at this point. those opposed to Obama are looking like they're nuts.
I'm also wondering how many past presidents were forced to stand before the nation with their birth certificate held out for all to see.
The republican governor of Hawaii says Obama was born in Hawaii. You guys all look retarded ignoring that fact.
Yes, it's a brilliant political strategy. It's succeeded in making his opposition look pathetically desperate. and for what, the valid arguments were gaining traction. Let's bury it all under the desperate failed election ploy. BRILLIANT!!!
You all sure know how to pick your fights.... not....
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The Birthers: Dobbs and Conservative Media Feeding "The Wacko Wing"
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Islam is not like Christianity, if you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim.
If you were born muslim, would you be muslim if you didn't want to be? ::) They don't brand your face and implant a chip in your brain lol... This is America, not Saudi Arabia.
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Like HH6 said I think we can all agree that he should simply release the BC and be done with it...even obama supporters should be behind that...
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LETS DO THIS AGAIN:
Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other president did and release the real BC?
Did you realize that both Bush and his father, Clinton, Reagan, Carter have never shown a birth certificate? Actually, you can extend it further back as you like. Do you think Abraham Lincoln even had a birth certificate? Or William Henry Harrison? Or Martin Van Buren?
Also, I know that you have no clue about history, especially about American History, so I will explain now why the provision of being born in America exists. It was put in by the founders to prevent Alexander Hamilton from being president since he was not born on United States soil. He was born in Nevis, a British Isle in the Caribbean. They feared his inevitable rise and that he may carry out his plans of conquest from Florida to Mexico, thus invoking a potential war with Spain and France. Hope this helps.
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The Birthers: Dobbs and Conservative Media Feeding "The Wacko Wing"
Look, I think this is a sideshow compared to health care & cap 7 trade and the bailouts.
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Did you realize that both Bush and his father, Clinton, Reagan, Carter have never shown a birth certificate? Actually, you can extend it further back as you like. Do you think Abraham Lincoln even had a birth certificate? Or William Henry Harrison? Or Martin Van Buren?
Also, I know that you have no clue about history, especially about American History, so I will explain now why the provision of being born in America exists. It was put in by the founders to prevent Alexander Hamilton from being president since he was not born on United States soil. He was born in Nevis, a British Isle in the Caribbean. They feared his inevitable rise and that he may carry out his plans of conquest from Florida to Mexico, thus invoking a potential war with Spain and France. Hope this helps.
why quote someone when you dont even address their points TA... ::)
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Did you realize that both Bush and his father, Clinton, Reagan, Carter have never shown a birth certificate? Actually, you can extend it further back as you like. Do you think Abraham Lincoln even had a birth certificate? Or William Henry Harrison? Or Martin Van Buren?
Also, I know that you have no clue about history, especially about American History, so I will explain now why the provision of being born in America exists. It was put in by the founders to prevent Alexander Hamilton from being president since he was not born on United States soil. He was born in Nevis, a British Isle in the Caribbean. They feared his inevitable rise and that he may carry out his plans of conquest from Florida to Mexico, thus invoking a potential war with Spain and France. Hope this helps.
That's right, only TA knows history, science, math, etc.
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Perhaps because their "elected representatives" condone this sort of nonsensical behavior....
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I don't think the POTUS should lower himself to this idiocy.
If the FBI, Secret Service, his Rabid political opponents could have proved he was born out of the USA and Muslim, then what does that say about the rest of the country?
A huge conspirarcy amongst all of these participants?
Looney tunes.
Sandra
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If he was born in Hawaii in 1961,...regardless of the citizenship status of his parents,...he is a natural born US Citizen, same as I am. There is no more of an acid test than birth on US territory.
If you want to rip the President on something, rip him on carbon emission, energy, something that has merit,...something that won't diminish your credibility.
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Did you realize that both Bush and his father, Clinton, Reagan, Carter have never shown a birth certificate? Actually, you can extend it further back as you like. Do you think Abraham Lincoln even had a birth certificate? Or William Henry Harrison? Or Martin Van Buren?
Also, I know that you have no clue about history, especially about American History, so I will explain now why the provision of being born in America exists. It was put in by the founders to prevent Alexander Hamilton from being president since he was not born on United States soil. He was born in Nevis, a British Isle in the Caribbean. They feared his inevitable rise and that he may carry out his plans of conquest from Florida to Mexico, thus invoking a potential war with Spain and France. Hope this helps.
Maybe because his old man was not born here and there is some question......thanks for the wiki history lesson. ::)
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I'm going to take a wild guess at brilliant political strategy at this point. those opposed to Obama are looking like they're nuts.
I'm also wondering how many past presidents were forced to stand before the nation with their birth certificate held out for all to see.
The republican governor of Hawaii says Obama was born in Hawaii. You guys all look retarded ignoring that fact.
Yes, it's a brilliant political strategy. It's succeeded in making his opposition look pathetically desperate. and for what, the valid arguments were gaining traction. Let's bury it all under the desperate failed election ploy. BRILLIANT!!!
You all sure know how to pick your fights.... not....
Just stop.
I'm not picking fights, nowhere on here or anywhere else did I say that I thought he was born in Kenya, Russia or the Moon. I can see where the "Birther's" notice that Obama hasn't released his real Birth Certificate and has lawyers fighting with millions of dollars across the nation. That is where they get the idea, that is what fuels their wackiness.
I know the Rep. Gov. of Hawaii said that Obama was born there, I know. But until he produces that actual Birth Cert. for all to see, there will be wacky Birther's who question his place of birth.
Although I do believe that he is giving these people and their supporters plenty of rope to hang themselves with.
It's that simple.