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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2009, 07:09:23 AM »
Look, if Bush did the same thing, people would be asking the same questions.  It does seem bizarre that he wont release the damn thing and spends millions defendin g these suits on jurisdiction issues as opposed to the merits. 

I agree. 
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2009, 07:16:26 AM »
You ranted and raved but never answered my question.  :'( :-\ :'( :-\ :-[

I simply want to know why he can't/won't show his original Birth Cert. I pretty much agree with you on what you said, but I just find it odd that he can't or won't produce his actual original Birth Cert.

It looks like Obama is goading these Birther's on and on to make them look wingbat's and crazy people. If you take a look at the MSNBC segment, it seems to be working.



Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2009, 10:00:09 AM »
Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.

But I don't see how that could be held against him as an infant.  He wouldn't have made any decisions for Islam (or whatever belief system) as a baby.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2009, 10:35:03 AM »
Why doesn't he release it? My guess would be that there is something on there that wouldn't look good, perhaps it has is religion listed as Muslim or something like that.

hahahaha....How in the hell can you list a newborn baby as having a religious belief??


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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2009, 11:09:50 AM »
I received an email that claims that on Obama's first day in office he signed Executive Order 13489 which deems that only records he chooses to be made public will be released.


http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf


 

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"Sec.2

Notice Of Intent To Disclose Presidential Records

When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records  pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege." 




THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release
January 21, 2009

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489
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PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:


(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee.
(b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.

(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.

(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.

(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.

(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.

(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.

(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.


Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.
(b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.

Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.

(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.

(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.

(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.

Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of privilege.

(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:


(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.


(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.


BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 21, 2009.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2009, 11:30:24 AM »
hahahaha....How in the hell can you list a newborn baby as having a religious belief??



Did you ever stop to think that just maybe the parents could have that put on it?
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2009, 11:32:22 AM »
But I don't see how that could be held against him as an infant.  He wouldn't have made any decisions for Islam (or whatever belief system) as a baby.

Islam is not like Christianity, if you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 11:37:54 AM »
Islam is not like Christianity, if you are born to Muslim parents you are a Muslim.

WHERE IS THE BC?

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2009, 12:22:07 PM »
you fellas aint nothign,,but some jokers on getbig seriously all jokers,,,,


         OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL CERITIFED AMERICAN CITIZEN WHY CANT YOU FELLAS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD,,,HE IS SERVING THE GRETATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IN A TIME OF                             DPRESSION,,YOU GUYS ARE CRYING OVER IT IM NOT GONNA SAY NAMES,,,BUT SOME OF FELLAS ARE RACIST THAT A BLACK MAN CAN BE PRESIDENT ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER DOING PUBLIC SERVICE TO AMERICA WHILE IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS HE USED TO GO BY FOOT,,,TO EACH HOME AND TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO HELP NEIGHBORS AS A YOUNG KID GROWING UP ALL THE WAY TO  COLLEGE,,GET THIS RIGHT HE WILL BE ELECTED AGAIN TO SERVE YOUR GREAT COUNTRY AND YET BE BASHED AT THE SAME FOR FIXING WHAT IS BROKEN THE SYSTEM,,   

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2009, 12:34:56 PM »
What in the fuck did you just try to say jock?

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2009, 12:35:31 PM »
Jock, what in the hell did you just type?

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 12:37:35 PM »
This place is filled with morons.

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2009, 12:42:46 PM »
This place is filled with morons.

Here you go - TA - this is perfect for you. 


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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2009, 12:43:48 PM »
Yep..because we don't agree with the great and vaunted TA. I don't think Barry has anything to hide, but Barry should put this to rest so we can move on to all the really important bullshit this guy is hiding.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2009, 12:51:18 PM »
This place is filled with morons.

Sound like the pot calling the kettle (PC version) another color
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2009, 12:57:38 PM »
you fellas aint nothign,,but some jokers on getbig seriously all jokers,,,,


         OBAMA IS THE REAL DEAL CERITIFED AMERICAN CITIZEN WHY CANT YOU FELLAS GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD,,,HE IS SERVING THE GRETATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IN A TIME OF                             DPRESSION,,YOU GUYS ARE CRYING OVER IT IM NOT GONNA SAY NAMES,,,BUT SOME OF FELLAS ARE RACIST THAT A BLACK MAN CAN BE PRESIDENT ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER DOING PUBLIC SERVICE TO AMERICA WHILE IN HIS YOUNGER DAYS HE USED TO GO BY FOOT,,,TO EACH HOME AND TRY TO FIND OUT HOW TO HELP NEIGHBORS AS A YOUNG KID GROWING UP ALL THE WAY TO  COLLEGE,,GET THIS RIGHT HE WILL BE ELECTED AGAIN TO SERVE YOUR GREAT COUNTRY AND YET BE BASHED AT THE SAME FOR FIXING WHAT IS BROKEN THE SYSTEM,,   

Your inane rantings are really starting to get old. As you soon as you don't like something someone says you play the race card.
Get a life, better yet take a language arts course.


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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2009, 01:06:56 PM »
Your inane rantings are really starting to get old. As you soon as you don't like something someone says you play the race card.
Get a life, better yet take a language arts course.




THIS IS WHAT THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE SHOULD LOOK LIKE: 


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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2009, 01:17:08 PM »
Did you ever stop to think that just maybe the parents could have that put on it?

Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"

Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.

My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.

I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »
Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"

Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.

My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.

I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.

Just answer me this - why would he spend millions of dollars on legal fees, write and executive order, and go through all this nonsense when all he has to do is whaty every other presdient did and release the real BC?

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2009, 01:34:09 PM »
See...thats the point. How come none of the O supporters on here won't admit that he should release what he has and be done with it.
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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2009, 01:39:44 PM »
Kazan, I could probably ask my 6 year old nephew why a newborn would have that on their birth certificate and he would most likely tell me that "The parents had it put on there"

Yes, I understand that that the parents could have put it on there.

My point was..........*gasp*..........perhaps the whole CONCEPT of putting that on a birth certificate is asinine.

I feel stupider for having to even explain this to you.

Oh wow another person that thinks their opinion trumps all others. Guess what, no one is going to change the way birth certificates are filled out simply because you feel it is asinine.  And the customary liberal personal attack.

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #46 on: July 22, 2009, 01:44:25 PM »
The dumbing down of America
  I am surprised  that there are so many misled or ignorant people out there.
These are the ones who believe in the Bush's and Cheney's who dodged wars and find fault with The Kerry's and Gores who enlisted. This is truly worrisome.
Why don't these birthers use common sense? In the 2+ years Obama was running for POTUS, Bush & Cheney had control of the CIA, FBI, and over a dozen other intelligence agencies. If he wasn't born in the US, they had plenty of time and resources to find out for their party. It's common sense! If there was any evidence he isn't a citizen, he wouldn't be president! Even the ultra-conservative website WorldNetDaily has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate! These folks need to turn off right-wing radio!

 

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #47 on: July 22, 2009, 01:46:57 PM »
Oh wow another person that thinks their opinion trumps all others. Guess what, no one is going to change the way birth certificates are filled out simply because you feel it is asinine.  And the customary liberal personal attack.


My whole point was not to defend Obama or his nationality. It was the idea of labeling a newborn baby a believer in the Islamic faith.

Are you really this dense that you can't figure it out??

Now move along before you continue to make an even bigger ass out yourself.


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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #48 on: July 22, 2009, 01:52:56 PM »
1) myabe it says 'muslim'.

2) there will be tens of thousands of rednecks in the appalacain and other areas who will take this as proof he's not a christian.  It's true.  that "he's an arab!" lady from the mccain rally would claim she has proof.  it would be used to smear him in 2012.

Already, the guest on hardball said obama would have to prove he can run again in 2012, if his bill passes.

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Re: MSNBC: Birthers "Lunatic Fringe"
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2009, 01:56:12 PM »
I thought the point was that he wasn't born here etc.....not whether he's a muslim.
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