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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Method101 on July 22, 2009, 05:01:40 AM
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Those delts in back double bicep are insane, no fucking way is that naturally possible im sorry to say.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp041TgII/AAAAAAAAAaU/_e_8bcnWC3o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_st.JPG)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0jTlCuI/AAAAAAAAAaM/9d-WtUZFqQU/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_fls.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0baDFzI/AAAAAAAAAaE/uLX-FBpVQ5o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_bdb.JPG)
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html
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Looks exactly the same size as last year?
Very good though, and VERY good with angles.
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Yeah, he looks pretty close to last year. He is looking great for 10 weeks out.
I would love to argue with you on the steroids aspect, alas, I don't know him and cannot tell you if he is or isn't.
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wow thats a lot of mass in the traps
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Deserves a pro-card natural or not.
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Deserves a pro-card natural or not.
you compete and actually would consider him nattie ???
how dumb are u ?? honestly !
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This Jeff guy is on major doses of AAS and personally think that nattie in this condition he would not break 150 lbs soaking wet !
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you compete and actually would consider him nattie ???
how dumb are u ?? honestly !
My meaning was,who cares if he`s natural or not,he still has a pro caliber physique regardless.
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This Jeff guy is on major doses of AAS and personally think that nattie in this condition he would not break 150 lbs soaking wet !
hes probably 170 is the photos..
if even that
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This Jeff guy is on major doses of AAS and personally think that nattie in this condition he would not break 150 lbs soaking wet !
well i think the guy admitted to using ephedrine once but nothing else on the banned substance list, still i think this much mass in traps/delts is a give away to aas usage.
I seriously doubt it's the wierd training he does, and we all know the guy who invented that type of training "jeff willet" is a scumbag liar who is about as natural as anal sex.
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As long as he passes the guidelines set by the organization he is competing in. Who cares what he is taking?
If he calls himself natural and isn't, that is up to him.
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As long as he passes the guidelines set by the organization he is competing in. Who cares what he is taking?
If he calls himself natural and isn't, that is up to him.
i think he competes in semi-tested shows, not full on natural organisation like Layne Norton, apparantly the drug testing is more lapse, things like "team universe" I don't get why he competes in those kind of shows if hes truly natural.
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well i think the guy admitted to using ephedrine once but nothing else on the banned substance list, still i think this much mass in traps/delts is a give away to aas usage.
spot on
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My meaning was,who cares if he`s natural or not,
Probably quite a lot of people is my guess
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Looks exactly the same size as last year?
Very good though, and VERY good with angles.
Look how dry his back is... unreal.
I know LOTS of guys who compete in "Natural" shows and Musclemania etc... and even though they don't use STEROIDS... they have no problem using clenbuterol and/or t3.
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Those delts in back double bicep are insane, no fucking way is that naturally possible im sorry to say.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp041TgII/AAAAAAAAAaU/_e_8bcnWC3o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_st.JPG)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0jTlCuI/AAAAAAAAAaM/9d-WtUZFqQU/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_fls.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0baDFzI/AAAAAAAAAaE/uLX-FBpVQ5o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_bdb.JPG)
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html
if this is him 10 weeks out, he's gonna fuck up... sorry to say.
he's gonna end up going in too flat, mark my word
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you compete and actually would consider him nattie ???
how dumb are u ?? honestly !
wow u have a lot of credibitility left on this after the wavelength fiasco dont you? ::)
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if he was on, then his legs would be much bigger..thats about the limit of a natural...which is still insanely sick...
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As long as he passes the guidelines set by the organization he is competing in. Who cares what he is taking?
If he calls himself natural and isn't, that is up to him.
People who value truth and honesty ::)
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he doesnt look to have the legs or arms nor pecs of a juiced guy. The fullness of this guy, if he's really natural, is out of this world; either it's genetics either he has an incredibly potent diet.
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I can definitely believe natural status on this guy. I've seen myself in some unreal condition from some post-workout pumps very similar to that and wouldn't be surprised if he truly was natural.
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The guy was NEVER natural.
VERY GOOD physique though, very good..
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10 weeks out? he peaked waaaaaay too soon. and no, he's not natural.
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Some ppl believe "Natural" just means same AAS but no real appetite for food.
JRoid looks great there - but some of that is favorable lighting, and will wash out on the stage.
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People who value truth and honesty ::)
Why not? What has he done to prove otherwise.
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Some ppl believe "Natural" just means same AAS but no real appetite for food.
JRoid looks great there - but some of that is favorable lighting, and will wash out on the stage.
Exactly right!
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kinda reminds of that hamdullah achtung guy
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the dude looks great. some people just love their insulin.
bench
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10 weeks out? he peaked waaaaaay too soon.
Agreed.
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My meaning was,who cares if he`s natural or not,he still has a pro caliber physique regardless.
hes a quarter shy of 2 bills on a pro stage he would be an absolute embarrasement.
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kinda reminds of that hamdullah achtung guy
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he is in no way even fit to polish his curvy dagger, hamadullah was a top physique, at a propper bodyweight and ripped to shreds( muntzer style
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if this is him 10 weeks out, he's gonna fuck up... sorry to say.
he's gonna end up going in too flat, mark my word
You're an idiot. He's always that conditioned 10 weeks out. Mark my word.
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Just as natural as these
(http://www.breaktaker.com/albums/pictures/people/FakeBoobs1.jpg)
Why do these pathological liars lie so much? ::)
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I can definitely believe natural status on this guy. I've seen myself in some unreal condition from some post-workout pumps very similar to that and wouldn't be surprised if he truly was natural.
you should take some pics and show us ::)
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Has he admitted to using PH in the past?
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Has he admitted to using PH in the past?
Would that honestly make any difference to how he looks now?
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Has he admitted to using PH in the past?
no
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He also claims he uses ZERO fats in his diet... guess what happens when a true natural does that. ::)
No test, no muscle, no life.
Liar liar pants on fire.
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what bothers me more then this guy claimed "natural" status, is the fact that he thinks what the world was truely lacking was a "blog" written by him.
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He also claims he uses ZERO fats in his diet... guess what happens when a true natural does that. ::)
No test, no muscle, no life.
Liar liar pants on fire.
EH
true low fat diet results in lower test than a higher fat diet
but a few mgs of test hardly makes any difference...and thats what we are takkng about
test is good because its anabolic and anti catabolic... and can suppress cortisol....and lots of other things
but insulin does those things too... and insulin is also tied into t3 and igf1 and other things...
so a natural can get a good natural physique with zero fat
however the question is, is this a good natural physique? its certainly a good physique, no doubt about that...where the doubt lies is in natural status.
hes certainly small enough to be natty but his lines and coniditoning and hardness make me think not
but i like to give benefit of the doubt
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probably not, like gh said its not only the size that makes someone a juicer, its a combi of factors.
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Two naturals battling it out.
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/712/Men/Backstage/IMG_0945.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/munzer/001.jpg)
Who wins?
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what bothers me more then this guy claimed "natural" status, is the fact that he thinks what the world was truely lacking was a "blog" written by him.
LMAO!!!
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Would that honestly make any difference to how he looks now?
don't know, I have no experience with it
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Why not? What has he done to prove otherwise.
No Idea. I was responding to your statement:
As long as he passes the guidelines set by the organization he is competing in. Who cares what he is taking?
If he calls himself natural and isn't, that is up to him.
I care what he is taking, because I hate lier's. You don't call yourself natural if your not. You posed a hypothetical situation and I responded.
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Two naturals battling it out.
(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/712/Men/Backstage/IMG_0945.jpg)
(http://www.builtreport.com/munzer/001.jpg)
Who wins?
hahahaha................ ;D ;D
that kid is one googley-eyed fuck..........nice tricep feathering though ;) ;)
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hes a quarter shy of 2 bills on a pro stage he would be an absolute embarrasement.
What does that have to do with anything? We are discussing if Jrod is natural or not. It's a simple question.
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God.....
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I wish I had his arm and shoulder condition
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i want whatever he's taking
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is he still building and maintaining his muscle on a zero fat diet?
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another 'natural' with a 3000 calorie diet
'Last week, 11 weeks out, I started to notice I was having a much harder time getting through my workouts. I think right about under 3,000 calories is where this happens for me. So, since I'm in great shape for being this far out, I've added about 3oo calories back into my diet.'
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I wish I had his arm and shoulder condition
you have his condition but you are a tiny tit. lol j.k
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I wish I had his arm and shoulder condition
The condition is only one liver away. ;D
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you have his condition
no
but you are a tiny tit. lol j.k
yes ;D
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natural or not he looks fantastic.
would it make any bit of difference if he was on drugs? he still has an amazing physique no matter what.
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natural or not he looks fantastic.
would it make any bit of difference if he was on drugs?
to me no, people don't like liars
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All Drugs and GAY ;D
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this is his training - hardcore music lmao
shifting the whole rack on pulldowns
curling 165
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you are ignorant and deluded if you think Rogriguez is lifetime natural
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All Drugs and GAY ;D
JMT
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According to Ron Harris this guy is definitely natural. Shows no signs of drug use.
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is he still building and maintaining his muscle on a zero fat diet?
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No, he takes in about 50+ grams of fat at 10 weeks out
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html (http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html)
A true quality natural physique. Rear delts are insane.
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Jrod looks good. Strong with the barbell rows. Van are you being funny with Jose.
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why do people cheat so much on pull downs? Not supposed to train lower back with pull downs.
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According to Ron Harris this guy is definitely natural. Shows no signs of drug use.
what are the obvious signs here, just curious?
High blood pressure, vascularity, sheer muscularity, a sort of an aged look?
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what are the obvious signs here, just curious?
High blood pressure, vascularity, sheer muscularity, a sort of an aged look?
Yeah pretty much that and very low bodyfat plus the water layer under the skin. If that guy doesn't look like he's on lots of drugs then no one does.
He has a little gyno too.
The balls of this guy (Ron)! :D
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plus the water layer under the skin.
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It's slight but it's there.
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Yeah pretty much that and very low bodyfat plus the water layer under the skin. If that guy doesn't look like he's on lots of drugs then no one does.
He has a little gyno too.
The balls of this guy (Ron)! :D
Ron Harris really said he was natural??
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Ron Harris really said he was natural??
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=65369
:D
I have known Jose for a very long time, and I have known his brother even longer (1990!).
It does suck for the rest of us that there are some guys out there with such fantastic genetics that you find it impossible to believe they aren't on drugs.
But it's all beside the point. Think what you want about Jose. I have my own opinion and you have yours.
There are people out there who don't think it's possible to ever look remotely muscular without drugs. They have very low expectations.
I guess nobody thinks Kai was clean when he won the Team U in 2004 either, right? He was competing at 5-8, 220 back then. Now he's about 260. It would be pretty difficult for Kai to have been able to put on that much mass since he turned pro if he had already been using stuff for years before that.
But again, I hate dragging this endless debate on any further. Unfortunately, it will never end. Jose does not toot his own horn about being natural at all and never has. Go ahead and call me a fool or a girl or whatever you want for beleiving that he is based on the very slow but steady progress I have seen him make in the over FIFTEEN YEARS I have been following his career.
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http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=65369
Wow, and he actually argues his case! Unreal, why would he feel the need to say that Jose is natural?
Now I'm positive Ron is going into the Team Universe 'assisted'
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Yeah pretty much that and very low bodyfat plus the water layer under the skin. If that guy doesn't look like he's on lots of drugs then no one does.
He has a little gyno too.
The balls of this guy (Ron)! :D
lol. what do u think abt jeff? dabbled in pro-hormones? doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would cheat or lie.. don't recall him explicitly saying he's natural or otherwise.. the layne norton sort of guy, although much more level headed ;D
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JMT
What's JMT mean?
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lol. what do u think abt jeff? dabbled in pro-hormones? doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would cheat or lie.. don't recall him explicitly saying he's natural or otherwise.. the layne norton sort of guy, although much more level headed ;D
Jeff has a very "clean" look. It's not bloated muscle like on Jose. Jose is extremely lean too but the skin doesn't "sit" the same way. I'm sure Jeff has done drugs but it's not much, at least in these pics he doesn't look like he's on much. They all use whatever they can get a way with, as long as it's deemed natural or if they can without getting caught. Layne says he has a script for amphetamine salts but he can't take ephedrine. That would be cheating. :D
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Jeff has a very "clean" look. It's not bloated muscle like on Jose. Jose is extremely lean too but the skin doesn't "sit" the same way. I'm sure Jeff has done drugs but it's not much, at least in these pics he doesn't look like he's on much. They all use whatever they can get a way with, as long as it's deemed natural or if they can without getting caught. Layne says he has a script for amphetamine salts but he can't take ephedrine. That would be cheating. :D
I see. amphetamine salts? is he taking that for ADD or something? Interesting.. I think a justification for that it is a LEGAL prescription. The banning of Ephedra in natural feds was likely due to the substance being illegal in the united states. Although, I'm not sure how the use of ephedra compares with amphetamines.. one is a stimulant, and the other has the [in this case] desired side-effect of appetite suppression.
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Jeff has a very "clean" look. It's not bloated muscle like on Jose. Jose is extremely lean too but the skin doesn't "sit" the same way. I'm sure Jeff has done drugs but it's not much, at least in these pics he doesn't look like he's on much. They all use whatever they can get a way with, as long as it's deemed natural or if they can without getting caught. Layne says he has a script for amphetamine salts but he can't take ephedrine. That would be cheating. :D
i've taken amphetamine salts in the last few months and they haven't had any effect to my physique. At times they suppress hunger.
What drugs do you think Jeff has done, if he has? They would have to be drugs that don't cause visual side effects.
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i've taken amphetamine salts in the last few months and they haven't had any effect to my physique. At times they suppress hunger.
What drugs do you think Jeff has done, if he has? They would have to be drugs that don't cause visual side effects.
BASTINOOOOO 8)
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This Jeff guy is on major doses of AAS and personally think that nattie in this condition he would not break 150 lbs soaking wet !
You believe they are Reptilian humanoids from other dimensions walking among us, but no way a guy as small as Jeff Rodriguez could be natural... You're hilarious.
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You believe they are Reptilian humanoids from other dimensions walking among us, but no way a guy as small as Jeff Rodriguez could be natural... You're hilarious.
HAHAHAHAH strange world isnt it? :D Here's a simple explanation for it: Sevastase couldn't acheive a good physique on tons of shit so its psychologically impossible for him to admit anyone who looks better than him (not saying a lot, btw) is natural. He continues to believe, of course, that he has incredible genetics, further ingraining this idea in his head. I really don't mean offense by this.. but really, sevastase should be able to handle a little coming his way considering the way he talks abt people all day ;)
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amphetamines are potent stimulants, great for fat loss.
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amphetamines are potent stimulants, great for fat loss.
we're not talking abt anal stimulation here "necrosis", I think u landed in the wrong conversation.
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dudes way to shreaded for 10 weeks out...He's fuckin up.
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HAHAHAHAH strange world isnt it? :D Here's a simple explanation for it: Sevastase couldn't acheive a good physique on tons of shit so its psychologically impossible for him to admit anyone who looks better than him (not saying a lot, btw) is natural. He continues to believe, of course, that he has incredible genetics, further ingraining this idea in his head. I really don't mean offense by this.. but really, sevastase should be able to handle a little coming his way considering the way he talks abt people all day ;)
Why don't you pay him $250 and find out what you really did on the 21st birthday of your previous life, 4000 years ago in ancient Mesopotemia, "big guy" ::) ?
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He's been doing things differently this year- upping calories and doing mroe cardio, that is. The cardio might be the cause of this.. and also maybe for this legs looking smaller than usual.
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Why don't you pay him $250 and find out what you really did on the 21st birthday of your previous life, 4000 years ago in ancient Mesopotemia, "big guy" ::) ?
LOL! :D
Probably was mind-controlled as I am now by reptilians, so I'm blinded to the truth of all this :'(
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LOL! :D
Probably was mind-controlled as I am now by reptilians, so I'm blinded to the truth of all this :'(
The only "reptile" that controls men's minds is their very own trouser snake, which is why it's best to make decisions (about chicks) after blowing teh load.
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The only "reptile" that controls men is their very own trouser snake, which is why it's best to make decisions (about chicks) after blowing teh load.
qft
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The only "reptile" that controls men is their very own trouser snake, which is why it's best to make decisions (about chicks) after blowing teh load.
You have a way of interpreting mystical writings that make it sensible to men 8) Are you also implying by this that Sevastase has failed to dectivate his reptilian nature due to his failure of finding his miniscule reptile?
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You have a way of interpreting mystical writings that make it sensible to men 8) Are you also implying by this that Sevastase has failed to dectivate his reptilian nature due to his failure of finding his miniscule reptile?
Nah, Sevastase is very firmly vested in his ideas and frame of mind that nothing I or anyone say is going to change. It's no different than someone being into their own religion with all of their capacity for belief. He has his reasons for doing it, so there's no point in trying to put him down for it.
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you should take some pics and show us ::)
Posted these a while back. I'm not huge by any means but I can believe Jrods natural claims based on my progression.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=239055.0
edit: Looking back at his new shots and my old ones that is one thick dude. Holy cow. I may have had similar condition but never that size.
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edit: Looking back at his new shots and my old ones that is one thick dude. Holy cow. I may have had similar condition but never that size.
You seriously think that is similar condition to what J-Rod has?
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Posted these a while back. I'm not huge by any means but I can believe Jrods natural claims based on my progression.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=239055.0
edit: Looking back at his new shots and my old ones that is one thick dude. Holy cow. I may have had similar condition but never that size.
your no were near the condition.his striations tell the tale.
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What does that have to do with anything? We are discussing if Jrod is natural or not. It's a simple question.
lmao no look at what i quoted...wes said he deserves a pro card whether or not he is natural
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if hes juicing hes a tiny tit.
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Come one! ...his contest weight is practically the same every year!!!! (some years a pound or two less) ::) This level of leaness is 100% achievable without drugs! it just takes a lot of self discipline and years of dedication to your diet.
IMO he just doesn't have that "Drug look" ....JRod has obviously got some great genetics for being lean. But you can't ignore the fact that he does everything so precisely 365 days a year and stays lean year round! take a look at his BLOG or his YouTube vids...seems like an honest guy to me.
If you can't honestly say to yourself that you haven’t shown that kind of dedication for years on end...How can you sit there and say it's not possible to get that lean?.. if you've never been consistently that dedicated yourself, like he has?
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Some ppl believe "Natural" just means same AAS but no real appetite for food.
JRoid looks great there - but some of that is favorable lighting, and will wash out on the stage.
I agree. ;D ;D
JRoid is the best. He looks far better than all IFBB pros, no matter if natural or not.
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Come one! ...his contest weight is practically the same every year!!!! (some years a pound or two less) ::) This level of leaness is 100% achievable without drugs! it just takes a lot of self discipline and years of dedication to your diet.
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If you can't honestly say to yourself that you haven’t shown that kind of dedication for years on end...How can you sit there and say it's not possible to get that lean?.. if you've never been consistently that dedicated yourself, like he has?
when does he build muscle? being lean like that all year long is catabolic. that he's able to be lean and muscular all year long is why we think he's not 100% performance enhancing drug free.
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when does he build muscle? being lean like that all year long is catabolic. that he's able to be lean and muscular all year long is why we think he's not 100% performance enhancing drug free.
spot on.
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spot on.
I doubt he is that BF level (10 week out photo) all year long...besides You don't have to become a bloated mess to build muscle anyway...It's quite possible to build muscle when you are around 10% bodyfat with a slight calorie surplus...especially if you're natural BF set point is low anyway. Some people just have low bodyfat (naturally higher metabolism) and partition calories towards lean tissue better than others when over feeding...life's unfair.
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I doubt he is that BF level (10 week out photo) all year long...besides You don't have to become a bloated mess to build muscle anyway...It's quite possible to build muscle when you are around 10% bodyfat with a slight calorie surplus...especially if you're natural BF set point is low anyway. Some people just have low bodyfat (naturally higher metabolism) and partition calories towards lean tissue better tahn others when over feeding...life's unfair.
the dude has only been training for 6 years and hes looked the same for the last 2
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the dude has only been training for 6 years and hes looked the same for the last 2
And yet he loses NO muscle at all when dieting down?
He will lose no muscle until the contest and he is in better shape than most juicers at ten weeks out??
Also he has been only training for 6 years?
I'm sorry, but he cannot be natural.
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I doubt he is that BF level (10 week out photo) all year long...besides You don't have to become a bloated mess to build muscle anyway...It's quite possible to build muscle when you are around 10% bodyfat with a slight calorie surplus...especially if you're natural BF set point is low anyway. Some people just have low bodyfat (naturally higher metabolism) and partition calories towards lean tissue better than others when over feeding...life's unfair.
You're pretty naive, you know that?
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people tend to forget how difficult it is to appear massive on stage as a natural, the fact that he looks great condition and size wise says enough.
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people tend to forget how difficult it is to appear massive on stage as a natural, the fact that he looks great condition and size wise says enough.
I love that all the people here say that when you look like Hugh Jackman, you're a juicer, but JRoid is a natural! ::) ::)
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I love that all the people here say that when you look like Hugh Jackman, you're a juicer, but JRoid is a natural! ::) ::)
One dudes lives eats and breaths BB.
And one got paid 30 million dollars to juice for one movie.
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One dudes lives eats and breaths BB.
And one got paid 30 million dollars to juice for one movie.
Okay, you have a point.
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he looks the same as last time his pics were posted
dunno what his status was then
probably the same as always - Debatable.
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(http://contests.ironmanmagazine.com/~photos/712/Men/Backstage/IMG_0945.jpg)
Here he looks like natural. Judging it from his skin tone..
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The reality is - he's more dedicated to bodybuilding than anyone in this thread.
He plans and records his diet for the entire year, not just pre-contest.
Doesn't drink
Doesn't eat fast/junk food
Never cheats on his diet
I remember reading that he doesn't even pig out at Christmas time
Has anyone else here done that for a couple years straight?
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The reality is - he's more dedicated to bodybuilding than anyone in this thread.
He plans and records his diet for the entire year, not just pre-contest.
Doesn't drink
Doesn't eat fast/junk food
Never cheats on his diet
I remember reading that he doesn't even pig out at Christmas time
Has anyone else here done that for a couple years straight?
Much respect for that.
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You're pretty naive, you know that?
You sound like a bitter tiny tit, you know that? :D
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anyone in this thread that even considers him to be nattie deserves to be called a moron
you gotta be the biggest retard alive to not understand that there's no bodybuilding without drugs
I am reaaaaaaaaaaaallly tired of how stupid people can be
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hes a quarter shy of 2 bills on a pro stage he would be an absolute embarrasement.
Ever hear of the 202 and under class???
On a side note,there is a lot of trace fat in a bodybuilding diet,so those who diet without added fat,or so called zero fat, really still are ingesting more fat than you would imagine.
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you gotta be the biggest retard alive to not understand that there's no bodybuilding without drugs
absolute truth
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when does he build muscle? being lean like that all year long is catabolic. that he's able to be lean and muscular all year long is why we think he's not 100% performance enhancing drug free.
He competes at 175lbs... His offseason is just over 200lbs or so. thats atleast 25lbs to work with in the offseason to build.
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anyone in this thread that even considers him to be nattie deserves to be called a moron
you gotta be the biggest retard alive to not understand that there's no bodybuilding without drugs
I am reaaaaaaaaaaaallly tired of how stupid people can be
True there is no "professional" bodybuilding without drugs.. but his physique is attainable naturally by certain individuals with superior genetics and work ethic. When you compare him to yourself it's easy to call bullshit, shit the guy kills me but I hate this mentalitly that people think someone else could ever be better than themselves.. accept it and learn from them.
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True there is no "professional" bodybuilding without drugs.. but his physique is attainable naturally by certain individuals with superior genetics and work ethic. When you compare him to yourself it's easy to call bullshit, shit the guy kills me but I hate this mentalitly that people think someone else could ever be better than themselves.. accept it and learn from them.
QFT!
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Nobody knows for sure except him.
In his case I would say it's not impossible.
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looks great.
about being natural or not.. only he knows.
I'd hate to live with myself lying to everyone like that. not saying that he does.
anyways the organisation he competes in is pathetic. not for naturals.
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You seriously think that is similar condition to what J-Rod has?
Similar, I didn't say exact. I don't have the best genetics in the world and this is something I do just to stay sane, not to compete. I guarantee I don't put in half the effort this guy does in his diet (and that is saying something because I do try). All I'm trying to say is I can believe it can be done naturally what he has done. The guy obviously has genetics on his side and obsession. You don't build a physique like his without being obsessed with it, natural or not.
edit: I think some of you have my statements confused with SIZE and condition. I've never been that big.
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Ever hear of the 202 and under class???
On a side note,there is a lot of trace fat in a bodybuilding diet,so those who diet without added fat,or so called zero fat, really still are ingesting more fat than you would imagine.
jrod up on stage next to keving english david henry steve namat flex lewis?? are you kidding me me? these guys will make him look like a fuckin toothpick!!
he looks great wes, no doubt. but not at all anywhere near pro level.
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jrod up on stage next to keving english david henry steve namat flex lewis?? are you kidding me me? these guys will make him look like a fuckin toothpick!! he looks great wes, no doubt. but not at all anywhere near pro level.
pros of today, of course not. pros of the 70s and early 80s? I think he would be competitive. and we all know how natural they were in the 70s and 80s.
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And yet he loses NO muscle at all when dieting down?
He will lose no muscle until the contest and he is in better shape than most juicers at ten weeks out??
Also he has been only training for 6 years?
I'm sorry, but he cannot be natural.
exactly
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pros of today, of course not. pros of the 70s and early 80s? I think he would be competitive. and we all know how natural they were in the 70s and 80s.
Tim
What does JMT mean?
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Come one! ...his contest weight is practically the same every year!!!! (some years a pound or two less) ::) This level of leaness is 100% achievable without drugs! it just takes a lot of self discipline and years of dedication to your diet.
So was Munzer just lazy or did he have horrible genetics? ::)
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The reality is - he's more dedicated to bodybuilding than anyone in this thread.
He plans and records his diet for the entire year, not just pre-contest.
Doesn't drink
Doesn't eat fast/junk food
Never cheats on his diet
I remember reading that he doesn't even pig out at Christmas time
Has anyone else here done that for a couple years straight?
The thing is that won't achieve anything drastic in naturals. Advantage yes, but not domination. If you just are somewhat consistent with your training and diet you achieve 95 % of your potential in the end. Meaning, you can take 3 year breaks, get fat and get skinny some where along the line, it won't have big effect.
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exactly
Donkey Kong/Stavios ...Have you guys ever dieted down with Low Volume training?... Max Ot type training specifically?
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Donkey Kong/Stavios ...Have you guys ever dieted down with Low Volume training?... Max Ot type training specifically?
yes
not max ot
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yes
not max ot
I think that's how he hold onto his muscle....heavy low vol. + hardly any cardio + staying lean in the off season = no muscle loss.
Very few guys do this...Most get too fat off season & do more and more sets/cardio etc as they drop kcal, get leaner & close in on the show - IMO big mistake.
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I think that's how he hold onto his muscle....heavy low vol. + hardly any cardio + staying lean in the off season = no muscle loss.
Very few guys do this...Most get too fat off season & do more and more sets/cardio etc as they drop kcal, get leaner & close in on the show - IMO big mistake.
Yes. That's it. ::)
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Donkey Kong/Stavios ...Have you guys ever dieted down with Low Volume training?... Max Ot type training specifically?
Yes, i am natural so i take very much time when i diet down, i'm not a contest BB though, only recreational.
But i can see i lose muscle even when i diet down very slowly once i am under a certain % of bf, and i can't see why jrod doesn't have that.
I think that's how he hold onto his muscle....heavy low vol. + hardly any cardio + staying lean in the off season = no muscle loss.
Very few guys do this...Most get too fat off season & do more and more sets/cardio etc as they drop kcal, get leaner & close in on the show - IMO big mistake.
I'm by no means a jrod, not lifestyle wise, not genetically but it's impossible that he is that good naturally.
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Yes, i am natural so i take very much time when i diet down, i'm not a contest BB though, only recreational.
But i can see i lose muscle even when i diet down very slowly once i am under a certain % of bf, and i can't see why jrod doesn't have that.
What was the lowest in bodyfat you ever got? At what level do you think muscle loss increased significantly?
I'm by no means a jrod, not lifestyle wise, not genetically but it's impossible that he is that good naturally.
I would say it's possible although only with exceptional genetics.
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What was the lowest in bodyfat you ever got? At what level do you think muscle loss increased significantly?
I would say it's possible although only with exceptional genetics.
Good question, i never measured it. But at some point i felt like i got smaller and smaller when i didn't eat more to build up. i cannot explain it really, but i think you know what i mean. The body doesn't want to burn more fat, so he starts burning muscle. You can stop that with either eating more, using some sort of fatburner like ECA or HGH or you can add some low dose test, this all will prevent muscle loss.
I think jrod has exceptional genetics and amazing work ethics, but nevertheless i would say he's not natural.
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Good question, i never measured it. But at some point i felt like i got smaller and smaller when i didn't eat more to build up. i cannot explain it really, but i think you know what i mean. The body doesn't want to burn more fat, so he starts burning muscle. You can stop that with either eating more, using some sort of fatburner like ECA or HGH or you can add some low dose test, this all will prevent muscle loss.
I think jrod has exceptional genetics and amazing work ethics, but nevertheless i would say he's not natural.
Of course, at some point muscle loss will increase (even with all fat burners and juice, the point will just come later).
Highly dependent on genetics for naturals (not using fat burners or juice). I'm sure jrod sacrifices quite some mass too for his contest condition.
IMO, jrod is still in the grey area where it could be possible that he's natural with great genetics.
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Of course, at some point muscle loss will increase (even with all fat burners and juice, the point will just come later).
Highly dependent on genetics for naturals (not using fat burners or juice). I'm sure jrod sacrifices quite some mass too for his contest condition.
IMO, jrod is still in the grey area where it could be possible that he's natural with great genetics.
I'd say that chance is smaller than winning the lottery in the first try.
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Good question, i never measured it. But at some point i felt like i got smaller and smaller when i didn't eat more to build up. i cannot explain it really, but i think you know what i mean. The body doesn't want to burn more fat, so he starts burning muscle. You can stop that with either eating more, using some sort of fatburner like ECA or HGH or you can add some low dose test, this all will prevent muscle loss.
I think jrod has exceptional genetics and amazing work ethics, but nevertheless i would say he's not natural.
If thats the case, he must be natural, cause he always looks full prior to contest but then looks thinner than pre contest
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If thats the case, he must be natural, cause he always looks full prior to contest but then looks thinner than pre contest
well, he was 10 weeks out in the pics, let's wait for the contest pics.
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hes natural, hes just giving you guys a false diet cause you dont deserve to know
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hes natural, hes just giving you guys a false diet cause you dont deserve to know
sea salt, olive oil, avocados and coffee?
::) ::)
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Yes, i am natural so i take very much time when i diet down, i'm not a contest BB though, only recreational.
But i can see i lose muscle even when i diet down very slowly once i am under a certain % of bf, and i can't see why jrod doesn't have that.
I'm by no means a jrod, not lifestyle wise, not genetically but it's impossible that he is that good naturally.
hahah epic donkey kong critiquing dieting at 30% obese bodyfat ::)
dk doesnt even have the confidence of posting a single picture
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sea salt, olive oil, avocados and coffee?
::) ::)
hahah you wish it was that easy there sport
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hahah epic donkey kong critiquing dieting at 30% obese bodyfat ::)
dk doesnt even have the confidence of posting a single picture
And obviously that means i am 30% bf?
You're a stupid idiot, but you already know that, no? :-* :-*
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seriously donky when can you acheive 14 inch arms and a 2 pack. do you just sit around all day and night posting? you need to build up your internet cred you peice of shit ;D
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And obviously that means i am 30% bf?
You're a stupid idiot, but you already know that, no? :-* :-*
post a pic blurr out your face chubbo
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seriously donky when can you acheive 14 inch arms and a 2 pack. do you just sit around all day and night posting? you need to build up your internet cred you peice of shit ;D
::) ::)
Johnny, you look way better than me, i give you that. You have a good body and good genetics, and i also think you have good work ethics and train your ass off.
But you're one dumb piece of shit, it's amazing how dumb you are. Go back to fucking your hillbilly sister instead of fantasizing about my body. :-* :-*
Have you ever thought about going back to elementary school and visiting a shrink? It could improve your life a lot.
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post a pic blurr out your face chubbo
lmao @ chubbo
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lmao @ chubbo
::) ::) ::)
your gonna spend all day here proving your little internet points ::) seriously man life is passin you by and you try to drag everyone down with you putting up with your dreadful arguments in wich you have countless hours of time to waste
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::) ::)
Johnny, you look way better than me, i give you that. You have a good body and good genetics, and i also think you have good work ethics and train your ass off.
But you're one dumb piece of shit, it's amazing how dumb you are. Go back to fucking your hillbilly sister instead of fantasizing about my body. :-* :-*
Have you ever thought about going back to elementary school and visiting a shrink? It could improve your life a lot.
you have all fuckin day to blither your shit dont you
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your gonna spend all day here proving your little internet points ::) seriously man life is passin you by and you try to drag everyone down with you putting up with your dreadful arguments in wich you have countless hours of time to waste
lol, you don't know shit about me, you stupid crackhead.
it's amazing that some american hillbilly painter who smokes meth and crack thinks he can tell people about their lifes.
You should care more about your own life, dude.
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lol, you don't know shit about me, you stupid crackhead.
it's amazing that some american hillbilly painter who smokes meth and crack thinks he can tell people about their lifes.
You should care more about your own life, dude.
while your here insulting me sitting on your fat ass, im getting in workouts and insulting you, but really im trying to help a low confidence loser by subliminally suggesting some physical activity in your seated internet fat-life
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Yes. That's it. ::)
hahahahahahahahahahaha classic !
guys - its illegal to use steroids in america, so obviously there is good reason to say he's a natural - true or untrue.
for everyone saying he looks the same as last year - no fucking way, he's put on a good 4-5 lbs in muscle across his traps, delts and chest.
i wish him well.
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while your here insulting me sitting on your fat ass, im getting in workouts and insulting you, but really im trying to help a low confidence loser by subliminally suggesting some physical activity in your seated internet fat-life
lol, YOU are stupid. Nothing else.
You know shit about my workouts, work, life.
I know that you're a poor painter with a drug problem (a big drug problem), a cultural sight that stops past your barn and that you're a stupid attention whore.
:-* :-* :-*
You're a loser, accept it. :-* :-*
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lol, YOU are stupid. Nothing else.
You know shit about my workouts, work, life.
I know that you're a poor painter with a drug problem (a big drug problem), a cultural sight that stops past your barn and that you're a stupid attention whore.
:-* :-* :-*
You're a loser, accept it. :-* :-*
I have rarely seen a person with such low self esteem as you
In your posts I can read through the lines an anger towards yourself caused by your inability to be what u wanted to be.
You are not insulting Johnny , you are insulting yourself.
Stop being mean to yourself and accept your own frustrations wif self as part of who you are.
Honestly.
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I have rarely seen a person with such low self esteem as you
In your posts I can read through the lines an anger towards yourself caused by your inability to be what u wanted to be.
You are not insulting Johnny , you are insulting yourself.
Stop being mean to yourself and accept your own frustrations wif self as part of who you are.
Honestly.
lol.
I am the best. I have done more than you could ever have dreamed of. I have 4 university diplomas, a beautiful wife, a good job, i see the world, i am great at sports.
I am a lot, but low self esteem is the last of my problems, Sebastian. :-* :-*
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lol.
so you accept yourself ? ;D
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so you accept yourself ? ;D
more than that, i think i'm great.
I'm more intelligent than 99,99999% of people i ever will meet, better at sports and have more money. :-* :-*
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I'm pretty awesome too.....
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more than that, i think i'm great.
I'm more intelligent than 99,99999% of people i ever will meet, better at sports and have more money. :-* :-*
ofcourse you do on the internetz
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Modesty is overrated anyway.....
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lol.
I am the best. I have done more than you could ever have dreamed of. I have 4 university diplomas, a beautiful wife, a good job, i see the world, i am great at sports.
I am a lot, but low self esteem is the last of my problems, Sebastian. :-* :-*
i beleive you gain alot of pleasure being a true failure behind such a prestiguos internet persona
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J ROD great build,clean or not,few pages back jose raymond was mentioned,he competed as a lightweight,welterweight at t.u and won classes,then middleweight i believe at t.u and overall to turn pro,plus i think he did usa's and placed,he competes now at 202's and probably over 190 and that condition ,clean i 'd say not probable esp jumping many weight classes last few yrs he has.
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lol.
I am the best. I have done more than you could ever have dreamed of. I have 4 university diplomas, a beautiful wife, a good job, i see the world, i am great at sports.
I am a lot, but low self esteem is the last of my problems, Sebastian. :-* :-*
great at sports ? which ones ?
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more than that, i think i'm great.
I'm more intelligent than 99,99999% of people i ever will meet, better at sports and have more money. :-* :-*
That number is highly unlikely (impossible) if applied to all the mentioned properties.
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Those delts in back double bicep are insane, no fucking way is that naturally possible im sorry to say.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp041TgII/AAAAAAAAAaU/_e_8bcnWC3o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_st.JPG)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0jTlCuI/AAAAAAAAAaM/9d-WtUZFqQU/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_fls.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0baDFzI/AAAAAAAAAaE/uLX-FBpVQ5o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_bdb.JPG)
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html
hgh
winstrol depot
testosterone base
masteron
diuretics
this is what this fella use on REGULAR BASIS and still stuck at buck 50,,,anything for natural money which he cant make anyways
how do you say on this board? owned? yes i think so
mj15 approved
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I would take his buck 50 over my 232 any day of the week :o
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He also claims he uses ZERO fats in his diet... guess what happens when a true natural does that. ::)
No test, no muscle, no life.
Liar liar pants on fire.
:D
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...hgh
I had to laugh at this one.. He does show all the tell tale signs of an HGH user.
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ive seen some very unimpressive physiques on hgh.......... is your eye trained to spot its use?
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more than that, i think i'm great.
I'm more intelligent than 99,99999% of people i ever will meet, better at sports and have more money. :-* :-*
Keep up your great confidence! And while I'm in a clappin' mood:
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I had to laugh at this one.. He does show all the tell tale signs of an HGH user.
like super low bodｙfat levels？ ::) ::)
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Keep up your great confidence! And while I'm in a clappin' mood:
Thanks. ;D ;D
That number is highly unlikely (impossible) if applied to all the mentioned properties.
All together. It's highly unlikely to find a intelligent person (4 university diplomas, 2 B.A., 2 M.A.), fluent in at least 3 languages, i can read, speak and write at least three more pretty good, good at several sports and with a good job.
All people i met have maybe one of it, but i don't know anyone besides me that has all three. (Bis auf dich vielleicht, das wuerde noch hinkommen, von dem was ich ueber dich weiss.)
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his weight is in the 190's in these photos......
and i doubt he takes anything at all. some people are cursed with dedication and hard work. dont worry GH15, you don't have either of those qualities, so you won't have to ever worry about looking like this.
that by by itself should tell you that the reatrd looking fella is no natural and never been natural! not only that,,BUT! he is not even clean! meaning he is on constant use of the products i mentioned on a regular basis with no time off only changing products,,
now tellin me that i dont know what how who is balonie becayse my arm is the size of his 2 legs put together,he is a skinny ripped peeled fella with some muscle mass that is only as result of hormone usage,
you know what it is since you used little yourself here and ther eon cycles so its not that hard for you to understand no matter what balonie you say here,,the problem is you COULD NOT ACHIEVE HIS CONDITION AND SIZE because you didnt follow the protocal and drugs he is using and used ,,he know his sources:) you --dont!
mj15 approved
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like super low bodｙfat levels？ ::) ::)
Keep fooling yourself.
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All together. It's highly unlikely to find a intelligent person (4 university diplomas, 2 B.A., 2 M.A.), fluent in at least 3 languages, i can read, speak and write at least three more pretty good, good at several sports and with a good job.
All people i met have maybe one of it, but i don't know anyone besides me that has all three. (Bis auf dich vielleicht, das wuerde noch hinkommen, von dem was ich ueber dich weiss.)
LOL, I was only talking about the money, I'm 100% sure you're not in the top 0,00001%.
That would be nice though. ;D
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I had to laugh at this one.. He does show all the tell tale signs of an HGH user.
what are all the signs?
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LOL, I was only talking about the money, I'm 100% sure you're not in the top 0,00001%.
That would be nice though. ;D
No way, and i won't make it to the most intelligent, or the best in sports.
But all these combined, i make a pretty decent cut. Like i said, i haven't met a person like me in real life.
People that are better at sports, sure, but they were dumb. People that were more intelligent, yes, but they were out of shape and chubby. And so on.
It's the ideal of "bun bu ichi" 文武一 or "bun bu ryo do" 文武両道, meaning the pen and sword in accord, or literally "word and military (arts) as one". In latin, it's Mens sana in corpore sano.
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No way, and i won't make it to the most intelligent, or the best in sports.
But all these combined, i make a pretty decent cut. Like i said, i haven't met a person like me in real life.
People that are better at sports, sure, but they were dumb. People that were more intelligent, yes, but they were out of shape and chubby. And so on.
It's the ideal of "bun bu ichi" 文武一 or "bun bu ryo do" 文武両道, meaning the pen and sword in accord, or literally "word and military (arts) as one". In latin, it's Mens sana in corpore sano.
ever gets sores on your hands from patting yourself on the back so much?
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No way, and i won't make it to the most intelligent, or the best in sports.
But all these combined, i make a pretty decent cut. Like i said, i haven't met a person like me in real life.
People that are better at sports, sure, but they were dumb. People that were more intelligent, yes, but they were out of shape and chubby. And so on.
It's the ideal of "bun bu ichi" 文武一 or "bun bu ryo do" 文武両道, meaning the pen and sword in accord, or literally "word and military (arts) as one". In latin, it's Mens sana in corpore sano.
That would be too overwhelming anyway, being perfect in all aspects
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ever gets sores on your hands from patting yourself on the back so much?
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who gives a shit about what some anonymous internet troll named donkeykong says about himself amyways ???
ps. he only learned jap cuz he got himself an ugly jap chick :-\
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what are all the signs?
Lets put it this way.. he's been around the same size for around 3-4 years. GH is claiming he is on all sorts of drugs. Why doesn't he just up the dosage and start taking it more seriously then? and for someone who has been using HGH for atleast that many years I don't see any side effects like abnormal bone growth.
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No way, and i won't make it to the most intelligent, or the best in sports.
But all these combined, i make a pretty decent cut. Like i said, i haven't met a person like me in real life.
People that are better at sports, sure, but they were dumb. People that were more intelligent, yes, but they were out of shape and chubby. And so on.
It's the ideal of "bun bu ichi" 文武一 or "bun bu ryo do" 文武両道, meaning the pen and sword in accord, or literally "word and military (arts) as one". In latin, it's Mens sana in corpore sano.
I could fly to Germany, buy your house and marry your wife all in the same day. What do you think about that?
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FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT believe he is natty.... simply have shit genetic's and can never fathem the thought of them selves being in this shape without drugs . its a black and white WORLD! GENETICS R EVERYTHING!!! and yes... 99% of you cannot achieve this EVER.
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FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT believe he is natty.... simply have shit genetic's and can never fathem the thought of them selves being in this shape without drugs . its a black and white WORLD! GENETICS R EVERYTHING!!! and yes... 99% of you cannot achieve this EVER.
Hi Jarod...... ::)
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I could fly to Germany, buy your house and marry your wife all in the same day. What do you think about that?
First, you're dumber than me, and my wife likes grown men and not some kid with too many fantasies. ;D ;D ;D
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ever gets sores on your hands from patting yourself on the back so much?
Typical getbig shit.
When i lay low, i'm insecure, when i say how i feel about myself, i'm an asshole.
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FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT believe he is natty.... simply have shit genetic's and can never fathem the thought of them selves being in this shape without drugs . its a black and white WORLD! GENETICS R EVERYTHING!!! and yes... 99% of you cannot achieve this EVER.
Well, having competed in natural shows and known some of the competitors very well, I have seen a few that come pretty close to J Rodriguez..and like him, no one can believe they are natural. There is a guy on here, who also posts as a gimmick (Guru..expert) and they both try to vigorously defend the position that no one can be a ripped 170-175 pounds at 5'10 or under and be clean. I suspect it is because this guy has never been able to achieve that stat himself and his ego is so huge, he can't possibly believe anyone else can. The truth is..it can be done. I've seen it. J-Rod may not be natural, I don't know him personally, but it is within the realms of human physiology..if you have great genetics, never miss a meal, never miss a workout..to achieve his look. It is extremely rare, however.
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Well, having competed in natural shows and known some of the competitors very well, I have seen a few that come pretty close to J Rodriguez..and like him, no one can believe they are natural. There is a guy on here, who also posts as a gimmick (Guru..expert) and they both try to vigorously defend the position that no one can be a ripped 170-175 pounds at 5'10 or under and be clean. I suspect it is because this guy has never been able to achieve that stat himself and his ego is so huge, he can't possibly believe anyone else can. The truth is..it can be done. I've seen it. J-Rod may not be natural, I don't know him personally, but it is within the realms of human physiology..if you have great genetics, never miss a meal, never miss a workout..to achieve his look. It is extremely rare, however.
yawn
why would you even attempt to convice us ?
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It's extremely rare not because of impossibility but because no one WANTS it bad enough (regardless of what they say).
I can't blame them for not wanting to commit to such discipline but just because they don't want to, don't assume no one wants to.
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It's extremely rare not because of impossibility but because no one WANTS it bad enough (regardless of what they say).
I can't blame them for not wanting to commit to such discipline but just because they don't want to, don't assume no one wants to.
yawn
some people are just ridiculously ignorant
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yawn
why would you even attempt to convice us ?
For someone as open-minded as you seem to be about esoteric things, you sure are close-minded when it comes to the possibilities of what the human body can achieve. Perhaps you know who the gimmick is I'm referring to since you both share the same philosophy.
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For someone as open-minded as you seem to be about esoteric things, you sure are close-minded when it comes to the possibilities of what the human body can achieve. Perhaps you know who the gimmick is I'm referring to since you both share the same philosophy.
nope my friend
gh 15 IS dennis james
not a gimmick and he tells it like it REALLY is
as for my phylosophy, after 20 years in the gym I know what the fuck is up
these lies are just that : LIES!
there is no human posibility for a twink like him to be that muscular at th\at bodyfat level
period!
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nope my friend
gh 15 IS dennis james
not a gimmick and he tells it like it REALLY is
as for my phylosophy, after 20 years in the gym I know what the fuck is up
these lies are just that : LIES!
there is no human posibility for a twink like him to be that muscular at th\at bodyfat level
period!
how would u approach say getting ur self in an all out all time best shape and do it say clean with ur genetics,would u say the results would be similar.or close to his?
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Lets put it this way.. he's been around the same size for around 3-4 years. GH is claiming he is on all sorts of drugs. Why doesn't he just up the dosage and start taking it more seriously then? and for someone who has been using HGH for atleast that many years I don't see any side effects like abnormal bone growth.
Why doesn't he up the dosage? Same reason as you. You use drugs and claim natty too, right? You're not natty. Shawn Ray didn't gain much during his career, was he natty? Maybe this guy feels this is his ideal look and doesn't like the bloated, very obvious juice monkey look? Besides, this way he can compete in natty shows.
Abnormal bone growth? What is this BS? Do you know what kind of dosages you'd have to run to get signs of acromegalia? You can easily use 3-4x what the body produces naturally and get no such signs whatsoever.
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Lets put it this way.. he's been around the same size for around 3-4 years. GH is claiming he is on all sorts of drugs. Why doesn't he just up the dosage and start taking it more seriously then? and for someone who has been using HGH for atleast that many years I don't see any side effects like abnormal bone growth.
thats because he is smart,,he uses very little ,,just enough to maintain naturasl apperance look like skip lacour used to do ,,but this fella is not even in the sphere of skip ,,this fella is amatuerish ,,he will never do no damage like skip did as in memorabel contracts ,,he is just trying to keep it natural because he knows the momnet he up the dosage with built like his he will be stuck at 210 lb 8% and nothing to write home about
you can rest assure that every single profuct i mentioned been used by him on REGULAR BSSIS
mj15 approved
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thats because he is smart,,he uses very little ,,just enough to maintain naturasl apperance look like skip lacour used to do ,,but this fella is not even in the sphere of skip ,,this fella is amatuerish ,,he will never do no damage like skip did as in memorabel contracts ,,he is just trying to keep it natural because he knows the momnet he up the dosage with built like his he will be stuck at 210 lb 8% and nothing to write home about
you can rest assure that every single profuct i mentioned been used by him on REGULAR BSSIS
mj15 approved
Spot on as usual.
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i didnt even see what van b wrote ,, just ignore what i wrote ,,what he wrote is better,,and right!
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ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE
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ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE
Did you pay attention in school?
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ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE
omg, that is some dumb post.
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ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE
Munzer, Wheeler, Ray, Gaspari, Haney, Benazzia, Yates, Coleman, Cormier, Ruhl, Heath, Kai, Dex, etc. need I go on?
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ONLY Natty's get that shredded! whens the last time u saw a pro on stage this shredded? doesn't happen much because roids will always give u a bit of a bloated muscle look even when dry, unless u dont drink any water 2days out and are almost dead. he's really not that big look at his back and such, jus great shape and awesome conditioning. even if he did use, which i believe he doesn't, ya'll a bunch of hater's and cant stand the thought of it, cracks me up how close minded u guys are. HATE HATE HATE HATE
You, sir, have all the brain power and intelligence of a tin of sardines. There are slimy snails in the sludge of rural Tasmania that know more about bodybuilding than you. Spare us the methane-laden farts of your vacuous brain (all four neurons of it). Thank you. :P
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Munzer, Wheeler, Ray, Gaspari, Haney, Benazzia, Yates, Coleman, Cormier, Ruhl, Heath, Kai, Dex, etc. need I go on?
I see the guys point in that lots of drugs give a drug bloated look, regardless of striations. But what he doesn't understand is that a little Winstrol for example will not do that. It will look very "clean". There are different levels in drug use and different choices of compounds used.
Like people think that the fact that Kai Greene blew up like crazy after his muscle mania days prove he was natural back then. It doesn't mean that at all necessarily. If you go from using a touch of Winstrol and Primo to megadosing test, insulin and gh you'll grow... doesn't mean you were clean previously.
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It doesn't mean wasn't natural either.
Both Ronnie and Kai BLEW UP after they decided to end their natural career.
Tell me ONE other IFBB pro bodybuilder who BLEW UP even close to that after 10 to 10 years of training.
Hell, just about all of them go backwards after turning pro.
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Tell me ONE other IFBB pro bodybuilder who BLEW UP even close to that after 10 to 10 years of training.
every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh
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every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh
exactly
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every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh
Absolutely!
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every pro bodybuilder in the early 1990s, when they started using insulin along with gh
Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. :P
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Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. :P
i guess as a bbing historian and as bbing progressed he just likes to pointout as it grew so did the advanced drug use thats all.
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my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time. it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques
(http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/graf/bmi.gif)
right click for full size pic
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my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time. it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques
right click for full size pic
Van? Is this his doctorate stuff, post-doc research, uni stuff, or just what he's into?
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Van? Is this his doctorate stuff, post-doc research, uni stuff, or just what he's into?
just what he does in his spare time. I think his thesis was about eye lens proteins.
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just what he does in his spare time. I think his thesis was about eye lens proteins.
Thanks, t. I grew up living next to a couple, who had 4 kids, and both parents were eye surgeons. Every one of those kids sailed into an Ivy school on the full ride. Where is Mattzi when you need him?
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Tim why are you such a hater? Are your genetics really that horrible? You do not need GH, insulin, or even any steroids to blow up to 290 lbs with abs or compete at 260+. If you think otherwise, you must be a hater or just lazy in the gym. :P
you don't need steroids to be 290lbs with abs?Wow!!!ok..
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is insulin common among regular gym rats or is it just a competive bodybuilding thing?
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my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time. it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques
(http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/graf/bmi.gif)
right click for full size pic
Or they started to exaggerate their bodyweights, most likely both (drugs + exaggeration).
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Or they started to exaggerate their bodyweights, most likely both (drugs + exaggeration).
the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders
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the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders
very true, i know for a fact dexter jackson has never weighed close to 235lbs onstage like the magazines say.
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the mags have always exaggerated the weight of bodybuilders
It wasn't much if at all in the 70's. Arnold, Columbu, Zane for example all had believable announced bodyweights.
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It wasn't much if at all in the 70's. Arnold, Columbu, Zane for example all had believable announced bodyweights.
it might seem that way now, but back then those weights were extra ordinary. if they're exaggerating 5-10% today, they were exaggerating 5-10% 30-50 years ago.
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i think 'natural' means 'no insulin' nowadays.
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my friend Jos Vanhoudt (Ph.D. in Biochemistry), another muscle geek, created this chart showing the change of Body Mass Index of top bodybuilders over time. it clearly shows the effect of the introduction of gh and insulin on physiques
(http://www.true-natural-bodybuilding.com/graf/bmi.gif)
right click for full size pic
interesting...whats the number for natural elite bodybuilders?
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interesting...whats the number for natural elite bodybuilders?
the addition of modern gym equipments has definitely revolutionized muscle gayning.
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i think 'natural' means 'no less than 20 iu per day insulin' nowadays.
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if he was on, then his legs would be much bigger..thats about the limit of a natural...which is still insanely sick...
this is funny natural limit???? hilarious!!! have u competed?? do u know how hard n how much shit it takes to get like this?? he is full on! on!! on !!! everything to!! gimi a break dont be naive
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exactly, real natural legs would look like those of an grasshopper. seen adonis pics. yes like that.
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exactly, real natural legs would look like those of an grasshopper. seen adonis pics. yes like that.
mars we need pics of the grasshopper to verify
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hes drug free ive been double his size on creatine and eating meat just not as lean you guys are GAY really GAY
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He's natural.
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Put him in the same room with Paco... then decide.
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Put him in the same room with Paco... then decide.
Put Paco with Ronnie in peak form and then decide if even Paco uses. Hmmm... ???
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naturals look like shit in contest condition every single one of them. rodriquez looks good so hes not natural.
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Those delts in back double bicep are insane, no fucking way is that naturally possible im sorry to say.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp041TgII/AAAAAAAAAaU/_e_8bcnWC3o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_st.JPG)(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0jTlCuI/AAAAAAAAAaM/9d-WtUZFqQU/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_fls.JPG)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1eJx3E9x64/Slzp0baDFzI/AAAAAAAAAaE/uLX-FBpVQ5o/s400/JeffRodriguez_7-10-09_10weeksOut_bdb.JPG)
http://jrod123.blogspot.com/2009/07/10-weeks-out.html
WTF that bed doesn't look comfortable at all. All sheets and no comforters? :-\
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naturals look like shit in contest condition every single one of them. rodriquez looks good so hes not natural.
Agreed. They are a little bigger than average person with slightly better conditioning.
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hes drug free ive been double his size on creatine and eating meat just not as lean you guys are GAY really GAY
HAHA very gay, if someone can show me how to post a pick ill post pic of me on cell-tech creatine, been back training for 2 months, and i swole up decent in about 15 work outs, and about 7 lbs, its all about genetics and shape. I bet most will cry juice, lol. u kno they juice'n when they cry like that anyways, pretty sad