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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GetItOnNY on July 22, 2009, 05:53:08 PM
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I go into Wal-Mart, and Target, and supermarkets only to see $13-$17 bottles of 2lb Whey Protein.I know all of these companies dont do there own blending.So you have them paying the blenderto blend-manufacture the product, then they have to sell it to the store.So it has to pass through 3 hands, before it hits the consumer.It is mathmetically impossible to manufacture a product with 75% Whey Protein like they claim and still make a profit.Unless, everybody is only making a $1 a bottle which I know is not the case.The reason this angers me, is they are selling product, that will never make label claim and misleading consumers.It would be like going to the gas station and paying for high octane racing fuel and getting only pump gas.
Ask Dante, or anybody.Good quallity Whey protein costs, a good amount of money to make.There isnt a protein fairly that makes this magical cheap Whey Protein.A good quality 2lb Whey Protein should retail for around $29-$34 per bottle.
Fellas, dont buy this shit at Walmart, or Target, because this is not good quality protein.
I have purchased several bottles, from these stores and I am going to have them assayed, and I will post the assays on my website.I am going to Assay, Body Fortress, EAS,Pure Protein,and Six Star protein.
I have seen independent lab assays from Body Fortress protein and it came uo only being 38% protein.
We are talking about consumers paying $14 a bottle for a $3.50 bottle of protein.
The sad reality is, companies like AST, Bio-plex, and True Protein look greedy because they are making 'real " proteiin powders that costs more money to make.How can companies like myself, and the others I mentioned when what they are selling is garbage.A bottle of AST VP2 retails for $49, but sells for $31 on BODYBUILDING.COM.This is more then twice the price of Body Fortress for a 2lb bottle of protein.The diffrence is one is 90% protein the other is 38% if your lucky.
The poor consumers, think they are getting a bargain, but they might aswell just buy powdered Milk .It will be cheaper, and probably have more protein.
When these lab assays hit the web, these companies will scatter like ants, lol.When they claim 23grams of protein and the lab assay comes up at 7-10 grams of protein.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY???????????
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post the assays, whether they prove you right or wrong. I'm very interested in seeing what WMT quality stuff is like.
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be sure to post those assays here, i'd be interested to see the results
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All The Whey Isolate 5lb - $39
NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION PER 28.4 grams
Analyte Result
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MOISTURE 1.51 g
ASH 0.80 g
CALORIES 106.82 Kcal
TOTAL FAT 0.49 g
TOTAL-CARBOHYDRATE CONTENT 0.60 g
PROTEIN COMBUSTION X 6.38 25.00 g
Approved by: Michael K. Grob, Inorganic/Microbiology Dan'Connell,Organic
Laboratory Manager New Ulm, MN Laboratory Manager New Ulm, MN
Blows Optimum Out of the water. Best deal on quality Isolate. I'm sure their margins are low but they are banking on volume... and they deserve it. They are not just a reseller, they MANUFACTURE the protein. You can order up to 50lb directly from the site and many Wholesalers carry their 5lb tubs. These guys are going to be THE dominant force in the hyper competitive whey market.
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I read it, post it, thanks
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post them. excellent idea.
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This way.
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I would be interested in TrueProteins products. I along with many others use that company...if I have been buying powdered garbage for the last few years I will be rattled. Call the LAWYER!!!!
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I don't think you will post any assay on your site. Simply because you'll be threatened with a lawsuit immediately.
Prove me wrong. ;)
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i've been using "your" formula when looking at powder. grams of protein / serving size = .9 or better.
helps a lot.
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This way.
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Be sure to test teh wehy
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If someone is selling products that don't have what their labels claim they do, we should get Big Wes to take them to the Broken Jaw tavern to teach them a lesson.
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If someone is selling products that don't have what their labels claim they do, we should get Big Wes to take them to the Broken Jaw tavern to teach them a lesson.
and give Big Wes a halo-test shot while your at it :D
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You know Van Bilderass, a company cant sue you or do anything if you post an indepoendent lab assay.How can they force you to take it down? As long as its indepedent, and you can prove it there hands are tied.
This happened about 12 years about with the true protein bar.Bill Phillips had it assayed and it came up 30 grams of carbs, and they only claimed 6 grams.The reason for this is up until I think it was 1999 protein companies didnt have to count glycerin as a carbohydrate.Why do you think back in 1998 all protein bars only had 6 grams of carbs, and now they have 30??? Glycerin counts as a carbohydrate.
Bill Phillips posted his results and there was nothing True Protein could do.
They could threaten me but in the end, if they have a smart lawyer, they wouldnt pursue anything.
An independent lab assay is not slander, if you just post the assay, and leave the consumer to make there own decision.
Now if I posted a lab assay, and said this product sucks, and is junk,I would have my ass handed to me on a plater.
But if something is a legal document, is independent, and is factual, there is nothing they can do....Nothing
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Game Time, I personally will gurantee trueprotein.com will always make lab assay.I know where Dante gets his raw materials, and he doesnt take short cuts.Trueprotein.com is one of the best blenders in tyhe industry.
Body Fortress, will never, make lab assay.There products are not near what they say.A good deal is only a good deal is if the product makaes label claim.Yes there Whey is $13.99 per bottle, but when you told you getting 23 grams of protein and your only getting probabvly 7-10 grams, is that really a good deal??????? NO!!!!
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EAS for sam's club is pretty cheap and good.
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HTexan,Is EAS prety cheap.But is a product a good deal if it doesnt make lab assay? A product is only a good dela if it makes label claim.A cheap product, with cheap ingredients is nothing to brag about.EAS used to be a high end company.Now they just make mass market crap.I am not one to bash, but at one time Bill Philips and EAS were leaders in the industry, now they are just the lowest priced product on the shelf.
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i know body fortress is a bottom feeder protein, but i expect better from six star.. i thought it was similar to nitro-tech b/c it was made by iovate
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Six Star is Muscle Tech's low end line.Iovate, has like 6 diffrent companies, and Dr Heur, formulates all there stuff.
Muscle Tech Supplements are expensive, so they developed Six Star to attract the high school kid, or person who is on a tight budget.I guaratee, Six Star Whey is the same thing as Nitro Tech, just a diffrent label and cheaper price.
Iovate,or PauL Gardner is a marketing genious
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Body Fortress is made by Nature's Bounty. Who make a ton of the stuff out there including lots of the Walmart and grocery chain stuff as well as Vitamin World, Solgar, MetRx and many more.
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Chinese whey and creatine or Russian roulette, which is worse?
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once again getitonny is making a damn fool of himself and making posts with epic contradictions like the jackass he is
stp mentioning trueprotein as if you have any similarities to that company... your right they are legit, but you are most definitely not.
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once again getitonny is making a damn fool of himself and making posts with epic contradictions like the jackass he is
stp mentioning trueprotein as if you have any similarities to that company... your right they are legit, but you are most definitely not.
What do you mean? any proof ? if hes a fraud then he needs exposing but if its just a personal beef and his stuff is legit then this needs to be made clear also.
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You know Van Bilderass, a company cant sue you or do anything if you post an indepoendent lab assay.How can they force you to take it down? As long as its indepedent, and you can prove it there hands are tied.
But if something is a legal document, is independent, and is factual, there is nothing they can do....Nothing
You are wrong. Do the assay, post it and then we'll talk. ;)
Maybe talk to Mike McCandless first.
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What do you mean? any proof ? if hes a fraud then he needs exposing but if its just a personal beef and his stuff is legit then this needs to be made clear also.
TP sells raw powders. John sells lots of "proprietary blend" products with fraudulent labeling.
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I go into Wal-Mart, and Target, and supermarkets only to see $13-$17 bottles of 2lb Whey Protein.I know all of these companies dont do there own blending.So you have them paying the blenderto blend-manufacture the product, then they have to sell it to the store.So it has to pass through 3 hands, before it hits the consumer.It is mathmetically impossible to manufacture a product with 75% Whey Protein like they claim and still make a profit.Unless, everybody is only making a $1 a bottle which I know is not the case.The reason this angers me, is they are selling product, that will never make label claim and misleading consumers.It would be like going to the gas station and paying for high octane racing fuel and getting only pump gas.
Ask Dante, or anybody.Good quallity Whey protein costs, a good amount of money to make.There isnt a protein fairly that makes this magical cheap Whey Protein.A good quality 2lb Whey Protein should retail for around $29-$34 per bottle.
Fellas, dont buy this shit at Walmart, or Target, because this is not good quality protein.
I have purchased several bottles, from these stores and I am going to have them assayed, and I will post the assays on my website.I am going to Assay, Body Fortress, EAS,Pure Protein,and Six Star protein.
I have seen independent lab assays from Body Fortress protein and it came uo only being 38% protein.
We are talking about consumers paying $14 a bottle for a $3.50 bottle of protein.
The sad reality is, companies like AST, Bio-plex, and True Protein look greedy because they are making 'real " proteiin powders that costs more money to make.How can companies like myself, and the others I mentioned when what they are selling is garbage.A bottle of AST VP2 retails for $49, but sells for $31 on BODYBUILDING.COM.This is more then twice the price of Body Fortress for a 2lb bottle of protein.The diffrence is one is 90% protein the other is 38% if your lucky.
The poor consumers, think they are getting a bargain, but they might aswell just buy powdered Milk .It will be cheaper, and probably have more protein.
When these lab assays hit the web, these companies will scatter like ants, lol.When they claim 23grams of protein and the lab assay comes up at 7-10 grams of protein.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY???????????
Whey is relatively cheap and easy to get. Its the waste product from the production of milk so it isn't hard to come by. That's why you have whey protein products that sale for a rather inexpensive price because the raw materials are easy to obtain.
Honestly, you should worry more about your company and not put Ephedra Vitilis in your fat burners.
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What do you mean? any proof ? if hes a fraud then he needs exposing but if its just a personal beef and his stuff is legit then this needs to be made clear also.
proof of what ? i dont have one of his products on hand to analyze...
his post ?
he claims its impossible to sell 2 lbs of protein for 15 bucks. then he goes on to praise trueprotein...yet trueprotien has whey on sale for 4.65 per lb. so in essence his argument against the wal mart companies is also an argument against true protein.
he claims he cares about customers... well he selss several products that are filled with non sense ingredients, at everything he sells is way over priced. he also sells a protien isolate, which flexington steele purchased and then experienced bad stomach cramps and nausia from taking. obviously not a isolate for latose intolerant flexington.
at these companies dont do their own blending, and cant be making only a dollar per item. well, hes quite the idiot, because first of all the company he is talking about is iovate AKA muscletech. they obviously are capable to mix their own protein. second of all, the company behind it is a mulit billion dollar company...and they definitely are able to put out enough of these proteins to make a great deal of moeny, even if they are only making $1 per item.
to sum it up the guy is a moronand then he says he knows the
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Van, I dont sell products with Fraudluent labeling.The last time you challenged me I shut you up with a independent lab assay of our hormone products.Every product I make will make assay.So dont make up lies, and spread false rumors.
TBOMBZ, If you know Dante, you would know that Dante and I are allies in this industry .So I dont thinkm Dante would like you causing problems with one of his allies.
Yes Trueprotein.com does sell good quality Whey Protein for $4.65 per LB.Now if you multipll that by 2.2=$10.12.
Plus you got the bottle scoop seal and label, another $1.25.So now we are at $11.37.
Noiw keep in mind Dante is makiong very little profit margin and he is the blender.Body Fortress, doesnt do there own blending, neither does EAS.SO they buy the product from the blender, mark it up, then Wal-Mart or Targets gets it and marks it up again.So if this bottle of Trueprotein costs $11.37 to make, how can they sell protein 2.2lbs of Whey Protyein for $13.99.How does, the blender, the manufacture and then the store make any money?
Its simple the protein they are selling isnt $4.65 its a cheap 38% Whey that probably costs a $1 per lb to make.
At $4.65, Dante isnt making much money on his Whey,but I guarantee it is better them any of those product on the shleve at Target or Walmart.
Van do you still look like this?? Do you workout? How thick are those glasses, they look like the bottoms of those old Coke Bottles.I bet if I wore those glasses I could see the moon up close, lol.So are some really nice old sachool buddy Holly Glasses.The Cowboy hat is a nice touch, are you balding? of just trying to be sexy like Carl Hardwick,lol
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Wow...a supplement company lying about its products? It can't be! Please tell me that's not ture.
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Van, I dont sell products with Fraudluent labeling.The last time you challenged me I shut you up with a independent lab assay of our hormone products.Every product I make will make assay.So dont make up lies, and spread false rumors.
You sell products with filler ingredients. Such as "calming herb blend 20mg". The calming herbs in the blend are used in the hundreds of milligrams range. It's only there to make the label look good.
You sell products with fraudulent nomenclature. Once you wrote the chemical name of DHEA on a label yet claimed it was something else entirely. You have ingredients with names such as "8XOX", "Primo VDA". The consumer has no way of knowing what he's ingesting. You have ingredients like "Yohimbe HCl 100mg" - this cannot exist.
And, my bike also has rusty fenders.
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Isn't "getitonny" Michael "Godboy" Lockett's "benefactor"? The same guy that was trying to get us to beleive that Locket's physique was built with twizzlers and m&ms? If so, he has no credibility and this thread should be closed as defamatory to an honest company.
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Van B is right... you will most likely get a law suit from Iovate if you pull that stunt like that. They allready have done this before.
Just because a law-suit has no merit...doesnt mean they cant waste your time and $$ dragging your ass to court... They have more $$ then you do...so its probably not the most pragmatic course of action.
That said...I will totally cheer for you exposing corrupt supplement compaines...if you also provide an independent assay of your own products as well.
M!
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Van B is right... you will most likely get a law suit from Iovate if you pull that stunt like that. They allready have done this before.
Just because a law-suit has no merit...doesnt mean they cant waste your time and $$ dragging your ass to court... They have more $$ then you do...so its probably not the most pragmatic course of action.
That said...I will totally cheer for you exposing corrupt supplement compaines...if you also provide an independent assay of your own products as well.
M!
Him providing an assay of his products is like Kevin Levrone providing an independent drug test.
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Van B Yes we did yoiu the name 8 ox, we had to because there are heavy patents on the name 6ox.Patrtick Arnold says you can buy the raw materials, but you cannot use the name 6 ox.The ingredient is (3, 6, 17-Androstenetrione).
So on our bottles we put 8 ox then (3, 6, 17-Androstenetrione).The ingredient is one of ther best estrogen blockers on ther market so why wouldnt I use it.I just couldnt use the name, which sucks.
As far as our Calming Herb Complex goes,thats simple.Its 5 mg og Kava kava ,5mg of Valerian,and 10 mg of Passion Flower.This works wonders for a thermogenic, it stops the jitters and avoids the crash people get from using Ephdra.
If you dont think our fat burner work well why dont you ask Croatch.
Van B if you dont beleive me IM me adress and I will send you a free bottle of ECA.This way you can try our products, and see for yourself they are legit.I will give you a 120 capsule bottle with 25 mg of Ephedra per capsule.I will even thorw in a free t-shirt, lol.What do you got to lose your getting a $49.95 bottle for free.
Van B you never trtied my products your just going by hear say.Plus there were so,me spelling errors on some early bottles.Thanks to Troy the lil Troll Moore who used to design my labels, but mispelled all the words.
Then he said, its not my job to spell check them,lol.Troy Moore even designed my sister in laws website, and mispelled words on every page.Then said its not my job to spell check, lol.Thats like the guy who put iures on your car, its not my job to tighten the lug nuts.
emn, Michael Lockett was never our athlete, and we never endorsede him.I helped him out in 2 times of need, and thats it.Please dont put Michael Lockett and I in the same sentence
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TBOMBZ, If you know Dante, you would know that Dante and I are allies in this industry .So I dont thinkm Dante would like you causing problems with one of his allies.
Yes Trueprotein.com does sell good quality Whey Protein for $4.65 per LB.Now if you multipll that by 2.2=$10.12.
Plus you got the bottle scoop seal and label, another $1.25.So now we are at $11.37.
Noiw keep in mind Dante is makiong very little profit margin and he is the blender.Body Fortress, doesnt do there own blending, neither does EAS.SO they buy the product from the blender, mark it up, then Wal-Mart or Targets gets it and marks it up again.So if this bottle of Trueprotein costs $11.37 to make, how can they sell protein 2.2lbs of Whey Protyein for $13.99.How does, the blender, the manufacture and then the store make any money?
Its simple the protein they are selling isnt $4.65 its a cheap 38% Whey that probably costs a $1 per lb to make.
your making up all this stuff up off the top of your head. like sayign they dont blend their own protein. this is a multi billion dollar company that does business with retail giants like wal mart and target. trueprotein does its own blending and its revenues are guaranteed to be less than 1/50th of this companies total. but they cant bledn their own stuff? without any proof or knowledge of this, its areally a stupid assertion to make. and with that kind of capital, why would they get the same deals as dante ? more quantity, lower cost per item. they have the ability to buy more at once and thus have the ability to sell the same product at a lower price and make the same amount. the 30% protein figure is random and you made it up....just like your making up ingredients on your supp labels.
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Geitonny
You should start using the FireFox browser.
It has spell check.
Damn. You own a company?
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Six Star is Muscle Tech's low end line.Iovate, has like 6 diffrent companies, and Dr Heur, formulates all there stuff.
Muscle Tech Supplements are expensive, so they developed Six Star to attract the high school kid, or person who is on a tight budget.I guaratee, Six Star Whey is the same thing as Nitro Tech, just a diffrent label and cheaper price.
Iovate,or PauL Gardner is a marketing genious
Here is the best part... not only are they from the same source, 6 Star's ingredient profile is superior IMO. In general, it has higher protein and is a better quality (generally more whey and whey isolate) than Nitro-tech (which has more milk protein concentrate, more carbs, and less protein). Compare the labels for yourself, its hilarious.
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I'd rather Buy 6 Star's protein over Nitro-tech even if they were the SAME price.
As I said earlier, All The Whey Isolate is a fantastic deal on 100% pure isolate.
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TBOMBZ, I am not going to argue with you.I dont care how much weigh a company buy, the price only gets so slow.I know this because I but trucks loads of protein at a time.We are talking 60,000 lbs of protein per month.
The problem with companies like Body Fortress,and EAS, is they are ruining the market, and misleading people.
Plus when a consumer buys a product and it says, 23g of protein and 4 grams of carbs, they want what they are paying for.I have seen lab assays, on Body Fortress and it came back alot lower then label claim.
Like I said before I am going to Wal Mart, and Target, and I am going to buy Body Fortess, EAS, Pure Protein, and a few others.Then I will post the independent lab assays, on this website.
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how much protein does OptimumNutrition whey contains?
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Optimum is pretty good.I think that there Whey is just okay, but there Pro Complex, is alot better.
Optimum Nutrition is alot better then Body Forttress, or EAS.
The best protein are, AST VP2,Bio -Plex 100% Isolate,Natures Best Iso-Pure,Species Isolalyze, Beveryly intetnational,
trueprotein.com, sand our Lean Mass, and Nitro 92.They are all good quality protein powders, and all will make label claim.A good deal is only a good deal if the protect makes label claim.
If you could buy a Rolex for $500 would that be a good deal? Of course it would but if it was fake then $ 500 would be way to much.The same principal applies with Protein.
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What about ALL The WHEY Isolate?
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And Whey Down Upon the Swanie River.
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Whey is relatively cheap and easy to get. Its the waste product from the production of milk so it isn't hard to come by. That's why you have whey protein products that sale for a rather inexpensive price because the raw materials are easy to obtain.
Honestly, you should worry more about your company and not put Ephedra Vitilis in your fat burners.
My god youre retarded
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Whey-o. Is-a-wheeeey-o. Daylight come and me want go ho-om. Wheeeey-o!
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TBOMBZ, I am not going to argue with you.I dont care how much weigh a company buy, the price only gets so slow.I know this because I but trucks loads of protein at a time.We are talking 60,000 lbs of protein per month.
The problem with companies like Body Fortress,and EAS, is they are ruining the market, and misleading people.
Plus when a consumer buys a product and it says, 23g of protein and 4 grams of carbs, they want what they are paying for.I have seen lab assays, on Body Fortress and it came back alot lower then label claim.
Like I said before I am going to Wal Mart, and Target, and I am going to buy Body Fortess, EAS, Pure Protein, and a few others.Then I will post the independent lab assays, on this website.
How bad is EAS 100% Whey protein ? :-\
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You know Van Bilderass, a company cant sue you or do anything if you post an indepoendent lab assay.How can they force you to take it down? As long as its indepedent, and you can prove it there hands are tied.
This happened about 12 years about with the true protein bar.Bill Phillips had it assayed and it came up 30 grams of carbs, and they only claimed 6 grams.The reason for this is up until I think it was 1999 protein companies didnt have to count glycerin as a carbohydrate.Why do you think back in 1998 all protein bars only had 6 grams of carbs, and now they have 30??? Glycerin counts as a carbohydrate.
Bill Phillips posted his results and there was nothing True Protein could do.
They could threaten me but in the end, if they have a smart lawyer, they wouldnt pursue anything.
An independent lab assay is not slander, if you just post the assay, and leave the consumer to make there own decision.
Now if I posted a lab assay, and said this product sucks, and is junk,I would have my ass handed to me on a plater.
But if something is a legal document, is independent, and is factual, there is nothing they can do....Nothing
Not to shit all over what you're saying or anything, but Bill Phillips at the time was you know, extremely rich. So, using an example of a man who could probably buy the company that is attempting to sue them isn't exactly comprehensive in proving whether the common man can get away with posting a report by a random (possibly not accredited) source of malconutrient testing.
Again, not saying you're not right, but I do know that someone here many moons ago was doing something like this and I do believe he did find himself in a bit of trouble. He might have gotten away with it, I dont' recall.
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Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?
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Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?
Lactose.... then again how much of it.
Personally, I won't refuse feeding from my own tap.
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Vince , your a dumb ass,.....It is Ephedra viridis , or Mormon Tea, not Ephedra Vitilis.
Vince we dont you use Ephdra viridis , WE USE REAL Epherdra with 25mg of Alklaloids.
Its a real ECA stack,Ephedra viridis is junk and does nothing.Its almost as good as Bee Pollen.
Will Grant, Its a sad reality, but EAS used to be a high end company , but now there products are below average.
They are just low priced cheap products that arent anything special.
Fellas, if you have money issues, you can get the container of egg White cartons for $1.88, they have 50 grams of protein.I know guys who drink them righty out of the carton.I drink about 3 protein shakes a day, but when I drink a protein I make sure its pure.I dont want gas bloating cramping or the runs, because I got a good deal on a bottle of protein.TBOMBZ says trueprotein.com has a good whey protein concerntrate for only $4.65, so a 3lb bottle will cost you around $14.00.If you drinking 3 shakes a day, a 3lb bottle should last you 2 weeks.
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we dont you use Ephdra viridis , WE USE REAL Epherdra with 25mg of Alklaloids.
Its a real ECA stack,
How is it legal to sell?
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Lactose.... then again how much of it.
Personally, I won't refuse feeding from my own tap.
True, lactose intolerance is an issue for some. For the rest, they should down a gallon of milk a day. I got BIG fat on it. ;D
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Van right now the FDA is in limbo about the ingredient EPhedra.They just donmt want it getting in the handsa of children or to be sold to meth labs.Alot of compnies who sold Ephedra at one time would sell material to meth manufactures.
If you didnt know this Methamphetimine is an appedemic right now.Thats is the reason they have a harde on for Ephedra.
Plus by putting in a calming herb complex in my product its acts as a codom to protect me from the FDA, nad the meth dealers.The meth dealers wont buy a Ephedra product weith calmining herbs in it.If defeats the who puropse for using the ephedra in the first place.I have had Meth manufactures, want to buy large amounts of product offf of me, and I just simply said, no thank you.
I dont want to deal with that trash.Meth, has taken alot of lives, and will continue to do so until they get control of it.
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Van right now the FDA is in limbo about the ingredient EPhedra.They just donmt want it getting in the handsa of children or to be sold to meth labs.Alot of compnies who sold Ephedra at one time would sell material to meth manufactures.
If you didnt know this Methamphetimine is an appedemic right now.Thats is the reason they have a harde on for Ephedra.
Plus by putting in a calming herb complex in my product its acts as a codom to protect me from the FDA, nad the meth dealers.The meth dealers wont buy a Ephedra product weith calmining herbs in it.If defeats the who puropse for using the ephedra in the first place.I have had Meth manufactures, want to buy large amounts of product offf of me, and I just simply said, no thank you.
I dont want to deal with that trash.Meth, has taken alot of lives, and will continue to do so until they get control of it.
Are you saying you're putting ephedrine hcl in your supposed ephedra product? Because ephedra isn't used in meth manufacture. This would be a serious crime.
You are one shady individual. :D
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Van the Meth labs use Ephdra, ephedrine, Sudaphedrine. Pseudoephedrine ,they will use anything they can get there hands on.Why do you think that they linit the amoiubt of Sudafed a person can buy.
I am not shady, I dont sell to them,I just sell an ECA stack thats reaslly works
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Van the Meth labs use Ephdra, ephedrine, Sudaphedrine. Pseudoephedrine ,they will use anything they can get there hands on.Why do you think that they linit the amoiubt of Sudafed a person can buy.
I am not shady, I dont sell to them,I just sell an ECA stack thats reaslly works
Show me some evidence that meth labs ever used Ephedra to make meth.
Why they limit the amount of Sudafed? That's a completely different scenario.
I'm not a chemist but I can see what a bitch it would be to make meth from ephedra. I don't think so. That's why everyone thought it was ridiculous that they banned ephedra but ephedrine was still available, albeit in limited quantities. Because ephedra isn't used in meth manufacture!
Anyone here know more about making meth? Anyone ever hear about ephedra being used?
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Vince , your a dumb ass,.....It is Ephedra viridis , or Mormon Tea, not Ephedra Vitilis.
Vince we dont you use Ephdra viridis , WE USE REAL Epherdra with 25mg of Alklaloids.
Its a real ECA stack,Ephedra viridis is junk and does nothing.Its almost as good as Bee Pollen.
Will Grant, Its a sad reality, but EAS used to be a high end company , but now there products are below average.
They are just low priced cheap products that arent anything special.
Fellas, if you have money issues, you can get the container of egg White cartons for $1.88, they have 50 grams of protein.I know guys who drink them righty out of the carton.I drink about 3 protein shakes a day, but when I drink a protein I make sure its pure.I dont want gas bloating cramping or the runs, because I got a good deal on a bottle of protein.TBOMBZ says trueprotein.com has a good whey protein concerntrate for only $4.65, so a 3lb bottle will cost you around $14.00.If you drinking 3 shakes a day, a 3lb bottle should last you 2 weeks.
You're crazy to put real Ephedra in those products. However, that's your butt in trouble not mine so I went ahead and ordered 6 bottles of it from BB.com. Hell, I don't like you but at the same time, I got customers who will want to buy that stuff
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Whey Isolate is supposed to be the best, but imo just regular whey is fine lol and alot cheaper than isolate.
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Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?
Yup...but an oiled up man in a thong didn't endorse milk...
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your mom is cheap
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"How can they force you to take it down?"
when the owner of this website gets a cnd
he's gonna take it down faster than chic scampering
from the ice machine.
the website owner is ultimately responsible for everything here.
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Van dont be a dumb ass.Ephedrine is used for making
Meth.It is just one of the many recipes they use to make the stuff
This is right from the FDA.....
Pseudoephedrine and ephedrine, both List I chemicals, are highly coveted by drug traffickers who use them to manufacture methamphetamine, a Schedule II controlled substance, for the illicit market. The diversion of over-the-counter pseudoephedrine containing products is one of the major contributing factors to the methamphetamine situation in the United States. Inappropriate retail level purchases by individuals attempting to procure pseudoephedrine for the illicit manufacture of methamphetamine have been documented as a source of much of the pseudoephedrine found in clandestine methamphetamine laboratories. These purchases which are accomplished by methods such as "smurfing" and shelf sweeping violate Federal law and may expose the seller to criminal and civil penalties.
Common Pseudoephedrine Products
Common cold products including, but not limited to Sudafed®, Tylenol® Cold, Advil® Cold, Drixoral®, Benadryl® Allergy & Cold Tablets, Robitussin® Cold Sinus & Congestion, as well as many generic brands.
Retail Thresholds
The Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation Act (MAPA) limits the thresholds of pseudoephedrine drug products to 9 gram single transactions with the package size not to exceed 3 grams.
Nine (9) gram single transactions Three (3) gram per package
• 120 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 92 tablets • 120 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 31 tablets
• 60 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 184 tablets • 60 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 62 tablets
• 30 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 367 tablets • 30 mg. Pseudoephedrine HCL = 123 tablets
Common Methods of Diversion
o Smurfing involves the retail purchase of sub-threshold amounts by organized groups of individuals that either send in multiple purchasers into the same location or visit a large number of different locations.
o Shelf Sweeping occurs when individuals or groups remove all the shelf stock and exit the store, similar to a "smash and grab" shoplifting technique.
o Shoplifting occurs when individuals remove stock from the shelves and exit the store without paying.
All of the above methods can be prevented by limiting access to products or by utilizing mirrors or other surveillance equipment such as cameras.
Suspicious Purchase Items
Camping Fuel, lithium batteries, large quantities of matches, iodine, coffee filters, rock salt, battery acid, swimming pool acid (when purchased in unusual quantities or under unusual circumstances)
Theft or Loss of List I Chemicals
The DEA reminds List I chemical handlers of the regulatory requirement: "A regulated chemical handler must immediately report thefts or losses to the nearest DEA office and should notify state/local law enforcement and regulatory agencies. A written report must be submitted to the DEA within 15 days of discovery of the theft or loss." (CFR 21 §1310.05)
Improper Sales
"Any person who possesses or distributes a listed chemical knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that the listed chemical will be used to manufacture a controlled substance, except as authorized by this title, shall be fined in accordance with Title 18, or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both." (Title 21 U.S.C. 841 (c)(2))
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Van, why argue the point.Trust me I know what Meth Labs want.I been in the industry for 15 years, and been selling Ephdra for 12 years.The reason why the FDA, doesnt bother with me is because they know I will not sell raw materials to Meth labs to make the stuff.Van if I wanted to I could have made billions of dollars by supplying drug labs with raw materials.But I wont do it, I seen first hand what Meth can do to people.I dated a girl when I was 20 who was hooked on meth and I didnt know it.I didnt even know what meth was, I just thought she hads alot of energy.It turns out she got hooked on meth because alot of women use it to loose weight.After I found out she was hooked drugs I left her.
When I first met her she was 130lbs, when we broke up after only dating 3 months because of meth she was down to 76lbs.
I did get help her get clean and sober, but we never got back together.But to see someone you love detoriate in a matter of months is scary.Meth is very addictive, and deadly
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Why don't you guys just save your money and buy 1-2% milk and use that as your "supplement"?
You fucking kidding me? This is getbig brother. I make that shit faster than I can spend it. I buy 2 fuckin Lambos a day. Im rich beeitch! hahahaha ;D
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Van dont be a dumb ass.Ephedrine is used for making
Meth
Ephedrine yes, not ephedra.
Van, why argue the point.Trust me I know what Meth Labs want.I been in the industry for 15 years, and been selling Ephdra for 12 years.
Look, I doubted that meth labs used ephedra. Now, I found some paper that said ephedra could be used as a starting material. But I still doubt it has been commonly used in meth manufacture.
On Cops and other TV shows not once have I seen ephedra bottles when they bust meth labs. :D
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I go into Wal-Mart, and Target, and supermarkets only to see $13-$17 bottles of 2lb Whey Protein.I know all of these companies dont do there own blending.So you have them paying the blenderto blend-manufacture the product, then they have to sell it to the store.So it has to pass through 3 hands, before it hits the consumer.It is mathmetically impossible to manufacture a product with 75% Whey Protein like they claim and still make a profit.Unless, everybody is only making a $1 a bottle which I know is not the case.The reason this angers me, is they are selling product, that will never make label claim and misleading consumers.It would be like going to the gas station and paying for high octane racing fuel and getting only pump gas.
Ask Dante, or anybody.Good quallity Whey protein costs, a good amount of money to make.There isnt a protein fairly that makes this magical cheap Whey Protein.A good quality 2lb Whey Protein should retail for around $29-$34 per bottle.
Fellas, dont buy this shit at Walmart, or Target, because this is not good quality protein.
I have purchased several bottles, from these stores and I am going to have them assayed, and I will post the assays on my website.I am going to Assay, Body Fortress, EAS,Pure Protein,and Six Star protein.
I have seen independent lab assays from Body Fortress protein and it came uo only being 38% protein.
We are talking about consumers paying $14 a bottle for a $3.50 bottle of protein.
The sad reality is, companies like AST, Bio-plex, and True Protein look greedy because they are making 'real " proteiin powders that costs more money to make.How can companies like myself, and the others I mentioned when what they are selling is garbage.A bottle of AST VP2 retails for $49, but sells for $31 on BODYBUILDING.COM.This is more then twice the price of Body Fortress for a 2lb bottle of protein.The diffrence is one is 90% protein the other is 38% if your lucky.
The poor consumers, think they are getting a bargain, but they might aswell just buy powdered Milk .It will be cheaper, and probably have more protein.
When these lab assays hit the web, these companies will scatter like ants, lol.When they claim 23grams of protein and the lab assay comes up at 7-10 grams of protein.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SAY???????????
thank you for posting this, you are 100% correct, most whey protein on the market is total crap!
if you're going to spend your hard earned $ on whey protein then get the best, 100% pure isolate: http://www.ironmaglabs.com/whey-protein-isolate.php
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WE USE REAL Epherdra with 25mg of Alklaloids
Could you please explain us how this is possible-just out of curiosity?
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As far as ephedra goes, some companies put sometimes up to 400mg of Ephedra.But what matters is how many alkaloids it contains.The Alklaloids are what give you the jolt.Ephedra Leaf or Mormon Tea, do not contain any alklaloids.
Most products that have EPhedra in them use either 10mg, or max 25mg.If a product has 25 mg of Ephdra, 300mg of Caffiene, and 100 mg of White Willow, this is called the ECA stack.There is actual clinical studies that has proven ECA, burns fat like crazy.
Ephedra is like Alcohol, the more potent it is, the more it will give your energy.The Amount of alklaloids, it is like the proof of alcohol, the higher the proof the stonrger the bevarage.
If you buy ephdra always ask the percentage of alklaoids.If a bottle has 300mg of Ephdra and has 10% alakloids, that would be 30mg of Ephdra alkaloids per serving.If a bottle has 300mg and only has 5% alkalods then it only has 15mg of Ephedra ALKLOIDS..
You want atleast 10mg of Alkaloids, but if you have a high tolerence you might need 25-50mg.But thats alot.
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thank you for posting this, you are 100% correct, most whey protein on the market is total crap!
if you're going to spend your hard earned $ on whey protein then get the best, 100% pure isolate: http://www.ironmaglabs.com/whey-protein-isolate.php
spam
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are you saying vince eats too much soy?
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Ephedra Leaf or Mormon Tea, do not contain any alklaloids.
Then why do you sell a product with ephedra leaf? Does your Blade Hardcore 3.0 contain ephedrine or not? If it contains ephedrine then you are selling an illegal product and companies like bodybuilding.com will drop you in a hurry if they find out. If it does not contain ephedrine then you are using the "ephedra leaf" on the label as a way to fool the customer. It would be a shit product, as that's what you've been preaching here. Either way it's fraudulent.
bb.com statement:
Ephedra Was Banned On April 12th, 2004
Luckily, we have a lot of products that are just as good! The North American species of Ephedra does not contain ephedrine alkaloids, therefore making it a legal product ingredient. This species is commonly refered to as desert herb, squaw tea, Brigham tea, and Mormon tea. Below is a list of products that we carry containing the North American species of ephedra.
I'm also curious what this ingredient is supposed to be: $-Hydroxyphenyl
If a product has 25 mg of Ephdra, 300mg of Caffiene, and 100 mg of White Willow, this is called the ECA stack.
Learn the difference between ephedra and ephedrine.
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Van, I know the diffrenece between Ephdera, and Ephedrine, do you?
As far as bodybuilding.com goes, we make a special product for them thay contains Ephedra Leaf.
We take 2 diffrent versions of the Blade 3.0, with Alklaoids and Without Alkaloids
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Go and buy some real beef.
"powders" ::)
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As far as bodybuilding.com goes, we make a special product for them thay contains Ephedra Leaf.
We take 2 diffrent versions of the Blade 3.0, with Alklaoids and Without Alkaloids
So you admit to making a shit product for bb.com. How do you figure you can criticize other companies for anything? You are a no ethics having guy. You should be ashamed. :D
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How can it be a sh$%4 product when thats what they wanted, and its makes label claim.A product cant be sh$# if it makes label claim.The people are getting what they paid for.The product works well, and sells well.It doesnt work like ECA, but it gives you alot of energy, and people get results from it.
Van you cant talk trash about me when you look like this,...I mean come on man.....Your so ugly that when you were younger they had to tie a steak around your kneck so the dog would play with you lol
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How can it be a sh$%4 product when thats what they wanted, and its makes label claim.A product cant be sh$# if it makes label claim.The people are getting what they paid for.The product works well, and sells well.It doesnt work like ECA, but it gives you alot of energy, and people get results from it.
Van you cant talk trash about me when you look like this,...I mean come on man.....Your so ugly that when you were younger they had to tie a steak around your kneck so the dog would play with you lol
You have got to be kidding me. How many times have you bashed other companies for selling fake, made-up, ineffective ingredients? Ephedra Leaf has to be the worst kind of scam going. "Pharmaceutical grade Dextrose" is a hell of a lot more honest.
Like I said, you should be ashamed!
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in France i've got easy access to the brand "reflex", it's made in uk, look like the best brand i've used over the year.
i pay 93 usd for 10 lbs.
is it okay?
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in France i've got easy access to the brand "reflex", it's made in uk, look like the best brand i've used over the year.
i pay 93 usd for 10 lbs.
is it okay?
si t'achetes des sacs de 10 lbs de poudre ON optimum nutrition sur bodybuilding.com de france ca te coute moins cher que toutes le smerdes en euros vendues en france et europe... pareil pour la créatine (ON)...
a l'epoque quand jy vivais encore c'est ce que je faisais, meme avec les frais de port cest mieux et moins cher et t'es gagnant au taux de change.
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wtf is this ephedra vs ephedrine?
someone tell me is BRONKAID any good or not?
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bump
any word on when those assays will be ready?
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As far as the Lab Assdays go I have to get around going to Wal-mart and Target to pick up these product.Once I pick these products up I have to ship them to an independent lab, otherwise, people with thing I am "tampering " with the assay.
The shipping time will take 3-4 days, to get to the independent lab I use.Then it takes the lab about 7-10 to get to the product I sent in to be assayed.So even if I mailed out the bottles of protein tomorow, we wouldnt have an answer for atleast 2 weeks.
Plus its going to cost about $500 to buy the product ,ship them and for the lab assays.
I do want to Assay Body Fortress for sure, any other brands would you fellas like me to have assayed?
EAS? Pure Protein,Six Star? any other brands????????????
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As far as the Lab Assdays go I have to get around going to Wal-mart and Target to pick up these product.Once I pick these products up I have to ship them to an independent lab, otherwise, people with thing I am "tampering " with the assay.
The shipping time will take 3-4 days, to get to the independent lab I use.Then it takes the lab about 7-10 to get to the product I sent in to be assayed.So even if I mailed out the bottles of protein tomorow, we wouldnt have an answer for atleast 2 weeks.
Plus its going to cost about $500 to buy the product ,ship them and for the lab assays.
I do want to Assay Body Fortress for sure, any other brands would you fellas like me to have assayed?
EAS? Pure Protein,Six Star? any other brands????????????
id be curious to see EAS Pure Protein's lab results ...........thx!
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As far as the Lab Assdays go I have to get around going to Wal-mart and Target to pick up these product.Once I pick these products up I have to ship them to an independent lab, otherwise, people with thing I am "tampering " with the assay.
The shipping time will take 3-4 days, to get to the independent lab I use.Then it takes the lab about 7-10 to get to the product I sent in to be assayed.So even if I mailed out the bottles of protein tomorow, we wouldnt have an answer for atleast 2 weeks.
Plus its going to cost about $500 to buy the product ,ship them and for the lab assays.
I do want to Assay Body Fortress for sure, any other brands would you fellas like me to have assayed?
EAS? Pure Protein,Six Star? any other brands????????????
Body Fortress, Six Star, EAS for sure. Thanks John, much appreciated!
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All The Whey Isolate 5lb - $39
NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION PER 28.4 grams
Analyte Result
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MOISTURE 1.51 g
ASH 0.80 g
CALORIES 106.82 Kcal
TOTAL FAT 0.49 g
TOTAL-CARBOHYDRATE CONTENT 0.60 g
PROTEIN COMBUSTION X 6.38 25.00 g
Approved by: Michael K. Grob, Inorganic/Microbiology Dan'Connell,Organic
Laboratory Manager New Ulm, MN Laboratory Manager New Ulm, MN
Blows Optimum Out of the water. Best deal on quality Isolate. I'm sure their margins are low but they are banking on volume... and they deserve it. They are not just a reseller, they MANUFACTURE the protein. You can order up to 50lb directly from the site and many Wholesalers carry their 5lb tubs. These guys are going to be THE dominant force in the hyper competitive whey market.
Truer words never spoken. I was a long time ON user but after trying all the whey, I will not use any others. Flavors are great, they are the first protein that will blend nicely in a shaker bottle and cause no bloat..... In 6 weeks I have burned thru 2 5lb jugs (Vanilla and Cinna Bun) and just ordered 2 more jugs of vanilla and chocolate..
Ebay sells 5 lb jugs for $40 (s/h is included)
Body Fortress is made by Natures Bounty/Vitamin World and I have heard Six Star is by the owners of Muscletech
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Truer words never spoken. I was a long time ON user but after trying all the whey, I will not use any others. Flavors are great, they are the first protein that will blend nicely in a shaker bottle and cause no bloat..... In 6 weeks I have burned thru 2 5lb jugs (Vanilla and Cinna Bun) and just ordered 2 more jugs of vanilla and chocolate..
Ebay sells 5 lb jugs for $40 (s/h is included)
Body Fortress is made by Natures Bounty/Vitamin World and I have heard Six Star is by the owners of Muscletech
All The Whey is a great place for protein. you can customize your own blend completely. The owner is really cool and easily accessible. They are a very very good company
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John, Sam's Club sells SportPharma's Just-Whey for $25 for 5 pounds. What's your opinion of SportPharma?
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Tendonitis, SportsPharma used to be a high end company.I heard they went out of buisnes, and filed chapter 11.They used to make a product called just Whey and its was 2lbs of really clean Whey Protein and its sold for $34-39.
For a 5 lb bottle of Whey Protein to cost only $25.It probably wont have any Whey Protein Isiolates, or high amounts of L-Glutamine.I am guessing these compnies are buying there Whey from China, and if they are look out !!! Anything that comes out of China is garbage, esecially the creatine!!!!!! There was just a recall on a Whey , from a raw material supplier, it was said to have salmonella.
When it comes to Whey protein if its sounds to good ot be true, it most likely is.
Maybe when I decide to do my assays on random proteins,I might have to pick that one up.
Tendonitis, how much protein are they claiming per scoop? What is the serving Size in Grams? How many grams of carbs does each serving have? I am willing to bet they are claiming it is a 70% WPC,(Whey Protein Concentrate) but its actually like a 35% WPC.a 35% WPC IS LIKE $1-$1.25 PER LB, but is loaded with lactose.Most companies use it as a weight gainer.Its cheap, and it is a Whey product
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The label looks pretty decent (74% protein) if that's really what's in there.
5 Lbs. Vanilla
Supplement Facts
Serving Size~27G(1 Scoop)
Amount Per Serving % DV
Calories 102
Calories From Fat 15
Total Fat 1.5g 2%*
Saturated Fat 1g 5%*
Trans Fat 0g **
Cholesterol 39mg 13%*
Total Carbohydrate 2g <1%*
Dietary Fiber 0g 0%*
Sugars 1g **
Protein 20g 40%*
Vitamin A 17IU <1%
Calcium 117mg 12%
Sodium 68mg 3%*
Potassium 155mg 4%
Typical Amino Acid Profile
Milligrams Of Amino Acids Per 100g Of Pure Protein Essential Amino Acids
L-Leucine (BCAA) 8300mg
L-Isoleucine (BCAA) 4700mg
L-Valine (BCAA) 4400mg
L-Threonine 4900mg
L-Lysine 6900mg
L-Phenylalanine 2600mg
L-Tryptophan 1300mg
L-Methionine 1600mg
L-Arginine 1800mg
L-Histidine 1500mg
Non-Essential Amino Acids
L-Cysteine/Cystine 1900mg
L-Aspartic Acid 8100mg
L-Alanine 3700mg
L-Glutamic Acid 9300mg
L-Glutamine 3600mg
L-Glycine 1400mg
L-Proline 4200mg
L-Tyrosine 2300mg
L-Serine 3600mg
The Amino Acids In This Product Are Naturally Occurring From The Protein Source.
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
** Daily Value (DV) not established
Other Ingredients:
Just-WHEY Protein Blend [Whey Protein Concentrate (Milk), Whey Protein Isolate], Cellulose Gum, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Sucralose, Acesulfame Potassium.
Directions For SportPharma Just-WHEY: For a great tasting protein shake, add 1-2 scoops to 6-10 oz. of your beverage of choice. For best results consume twice daily, with one serving
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My bad the one i want lab results on is called "premium protein"
i get a huge 6 lb bag at costco for $29.99
thanks!
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Mike I can Guarantee you that EAS is going to fail.Ib et that stuff comes up about 35-45% protein, trust me on this one.If you want to drink that stuff be my guest.Just make sure its on your offseason ,and not pre-contest prep.Because trust me you wont get lean and hard drink that powdered flavored Milk, lol.I am not ragging on you, but that protein isnt clean enough to diet on.That is if you goal is to get shredded
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My bad the one i want lab results on is called "premium protein"
i get a huge 6 lb bag at costco for $29.99
thanks!
Ah yes...this and Syntha-6 ;)
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Mike I can Guarantee you that EAS is going to fail.Ib et that stuff comes up about 35-45% protein, trust me on this one.If you want to drink that stuff be my guest.Just make sure its on your offseason ,and not pre-contest prep.Because trust me you wont get lean and hard drink that powdered flavored Milk, lol.I am not ragging on you, but that protein isnt clean enough to diet on.That is if you goal is to get shredded
Fawkkk!
(here is the label anyhow) thx!
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Mike, and the rest of you guys, want to buy this bulk Whey at Costco, or Walmart, just know that our industry is not regulated.
My company buys 40,000-60,000 lbs of protein per month.I wouldnt or couldnt sell 6lbs of Whey for $29 retail.We do our own blending, something EAS doesnt do.If I said I had a Rolex Watch for $400 would you buy it? You might, but it probably wouldnt be real.Just like this protein they are selling.
If this protein is real, then why doesnt all the companies including myself all sell 6;lbs of protein for $29? If that protein is close to 80% protein, at $29 your only going to make a few bucks even at my volume.
I am going to list protein Manufactures I feel will make assays, and take pride in there blending
AST VP2
TrueProtein.com
NaturesWay Isopure
Beverly International
Extreme Labs
Bio-Plex
ISS
Species Isolize
Labrada, Whey Protein Isolate
There might be a few more.But the companies I listed are honest companies who only have good intentions.These companies dont advertise nearly as much as BSN or Muscle Tech, because they put there money into raw materials not marketing.Either a company put money into the quality of the product, or marketing the product.Most companies take a $4 product like NOXPLODE, and market the living sh$# out of it.THey make a killing for a few years, then come out with another hype product.
But then you have companies like AST, they been making VP2 for over 10 years, and it keeps selling, why? Because its quality.
Just like our Lean Mass protein, we have been making that product for 14 years, and it has improved, but it just keeps selling your after year.Beverly Nutrition, have been around over 20 years, and they dont have much hype but they always have a following why? Because they have reputable product that keep there customers loyal.
Companies like Muscletech prey on hype.They just grind out these product with hype, only to have another product, that ever better 4 months later.They even have 4 companies competing against each other.Its just palin greed in the worst way.
I listed companies who I feel are the best in the industry.If you still chose to buy your protein at Costco, or WalMart, good for you.Just know that the protein your drinking will never make label claim, and is just cheap protein.Its your money, its your body, and its your choice
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As far as the Lab Assdays go I have to get around going to Wal-mart and Target to pick up these product.Once I pick these products up I have to ship them to an independent lab, otherwise, people with thing I am "tampering " with the assay.
Here's the problem and just one of the reasons you'll open up yourself to lawsuit: chain of custody.
You go and buy the product and the test is worth nothing!
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If you shipped a sealed bottle of product to a lab and have it assayed.There is not much a company can say.
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If you shipped a sealed bottle of product to a lab and have it assayed.There is not much a company can say.
Think a little, think! Ask around, ask some industry people. Mail Mike McCandless for example. Email: my65cuda@aol.com (used to own bulknutrition, now CEO of Primaforce. Had a label claim site for a very brief time and it was closed quickly due to lawsuits). Even if you had the lab order the product directly there's going to be problems. Will the lab testify in court that they stand by their test 100%??
Dante has said he knows of several big companies with shit products. Will he name them publicly? No way in hell!
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you ever assay any of that shit getitonny?
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Yes let's hear the results.
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without the hard evidence this is all talk
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without the hard evidence this is all talk
I'm sure John is just about to release the results. We're all very exited.
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I'm sure John is just about to release the results. We're all very exited.
Bump for the test results!
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Bump for the test results!
stfu penile constrictor.
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stfu penile constrictor.
Up yours, penile extender!
I'm sure many are interested in the results.
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Up yours, penile extender!
I'm sure many are interested in the results.
He was testing:
Body Fortress Whey
Six-Star Muscle Whey
EAS Whey
Is this correct? He also stated that Optimum Nutrition was along the same lines as these other companies as far as misleading label claims, which is unfortunate because I have used Optimum for several years now :-\
I am actually quite interested to see what he has to show for these companies