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Father Against ObamaCare Says He is Being Harrassed by "Thugs" of Pelosi, Hoyer, and Reid - Video
Here is video of a Father, who confronted Democrat Rep. John Dingell last week at a Health Care Town Hall Event, talking about his experience with Fox News' Megyn Kelly.
The father, who has a son who suffers from Cerebral Palsy, said he and his family are being harassed now by what he called "thugs" of Government Health Care proponents:
"I want to address something to Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Hoyer - whatever his name is - and Mr. Reid. If you call my son "un-American" - your thugs already know where we live. We've had a visit from them - in the middle of the night. They can't come to us in the middle of the day, but they came to us in the middle of the night. You know where we live. I suggest you take that plane that you have and fly it to Michigan and say it directly to my son's face if you've got the guts."
He said he had reported the harassment to police, and is prepared to defend himself and his family if threatened.
He also cited a New York Post article from July 24 entitled, "Deadly Doctors," as one of the primary reasons for his great concern about how ObamaCare will impact his son and the nation. . .
Video: http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/father-of-cerebral-palsy-sufferer-tells.html
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I watched the video and I can't figure out what this guy is even talking about.
First, why can he be so calm on TV yet feels the need to scream like a lunatic in the public meeting.
How about one specific detail about how/why he thinks the current dynamic blob of 4 health care bills is somehow going to result in his son being denied care or even put to death as he has implied.
How about one shred of proof that the people who allegedly came to his how were "thugs of Pelosi".
The only thing I saw was a hysterical old man screaming about Obama wanting to put his son to death.
Other than that I can't figure out what he's talking about.
As always, the hysterical right always lacks DETAILS
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talking about his experience with Fox News' Megyn Kelly. HA GREAT SORCE
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talking about his experience with Fox News' Megyn Kelly. HA GREAT SORCE
LOL yes media matters and chris matthews are bastions of true journalism ::)
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LOL yes media matters and chris matthews are bastions of true journalism ::)
Where do phony chain mails fit in journalism?
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Where do phony chain mails fit in journalism?
where was phoney emails mentioned true asshat?
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where was phoney emails mentioned true asshat?
I am just asking you a question. You were duped by a blatant phony chain mail and thought it to be factually correct. So therefore I have to assume you give credence to Chain Emails and consider them to have journalistic truth and integrity.
So again, where on your scale do they fit and rank?
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LOL yes media matters and Chris matthews are bastions of true journalism ::)
Chris matthews DOES LEAN LEFT BUT HE DOES TELL THE TRUTH ,but Fox News' Megyn Kelly i don't think so FOX NEWS ,NEWS FOR TEAM SIMPLETON
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Chris matthews DOES LEAN LEFT BUT HE DOES TELL THE TRUTH ,but Fox News' Megyn Kelly i don't think so FOX NEWS ,NEWS FOR TEAM SIMPLETON
Please Chris Mathews, gets tingle down his leg when Obama talks, hmmmm sure we are going to get it unbiased from him ::)
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I am just asking you a question. You were duped by a blatant phony chain mail and thought it to be factually correct. So therefore I have to assume you give credence to Chain Emails and consider them to have journalistic truth and integrity.
So again, where on your scale do they fit and rank?
LOL please show me one post where I endorsed that email...Ill wait true asshat...
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LOL please show me one post where I endorsed that email...Ill wait true asshat...
bump for a response TA
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bump for a response TA
Why didn`t you call Bullshit on it from your first post on? You, went into it, thinking it may be plausible or else you would have stopped it in its tracks and not called for a "debate" on it. Admit it, you thought something so outlandish may be true.
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bump for a response TA
It is kinda funny when somebody questioning you about truth and integrity makes things up. ;)
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Why didn`t you call Bullshit on it from your first post on? You, went into it, thinking it may be plausible or else you would have stopped it in its tracks and not called for a "debate" on it. Admit it, you thought something so outlandish may be true.
Bump for response.
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Why didn`t you call Bullshit on it from your first post on? You, went into it, thinking it may be plausible or else you would have stopped it in its tracks and not called for a "debate" on it. Admit it, you thought something so outlandish may be true.
LOL if I had thought it was true I would have backed it up not asked for a debate thats what someone does when they are unsure of the facts and wants to hear both sides...
So you have no quote to show that i "bought into it" again i show you to be a jack ass time and time again...
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It is kinda funny when somebody questioning you about truth and integrity makes things up. ;)
hahahah stick around skip
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LOL if I had thought it was true I would have backed it up not asked for a debate thats what someone does when they are unsure of the facts and wants to hear both sides...
So you have no quote to show that i "bought into it" again i show you to be a jack ass time and time again...
How can you be "unsure" of something so blatantly false? Why didn`t you bother to check on it yourself? What would have happened if I and some of the others never called Bullshit on a blatantly Bullshit Chain Mail?
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How can you be "unsure" of something so blatantly false? Why didn`t you bother to check on it yourself? What would have happened if I and some of the others never called Bullshit on a blatantly Bullshit Chain Mail?
simply calling something bullshit doesnt make it so, you need facts to prove it like doggity used.
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simply calling something bullshit doesnt make it so, you need facts to prove it like doggity used.
Where are your facts for the invisible sky god and his Jewish Zombie?
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Where are your facts for the invisible sky god and his Jewish Zombie?
Ive never said there is a God only that I believe there is a God where is your proof that God doesnt exist?
LOL please let me show you for a jack ass twice in one thread, b/c ill do it dip shit.
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Ive never said there is a God only that I believe there is a God where is your proof that God doesnt exist?
LOL please let me show you for a jack ass twice in one thread, b/c ill do it dip shit.
Do you believe in magical purple flutes played by nymphs?
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Do you believe in magical purple flutes played by nymphs?
so thats a no to proof?
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so thats a no to proof?
Well the same evidence exists (or lack thereof) for Magical Purple Flutes played by nymphs as does your sky god and Jewish Zombie. Yet you give credence to one over the other for some reason. I`d like to know why you don`t believe in both equally.
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so thats a no to proof?
It is illogical to prove a negative. The onus rests on your to prove as you are making the claim that said being exists.
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Well the same evidence exists (or lack thereof) for Magical Purple Flutes played by nymphs as does your sky god and Jewish Zombie. Yet you give credence to one over the other for some reason.
so no to proof?
my evidence to believe in God has nothing to do with your evidence to disprove God, of which you have provided nothing...so again is that a no to proof?
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It is illogical to prove a negative. The onus rests on your to prove as you are making the claim that said being exists.
ahhhhhh good old russels tea pot...nice try TA but again i will show you to be the true jack ass you are sir...
You also make the assertion, you assert that God doesnt exist so the onus is also on you if you were to say that you arent sure that God exists then you could slink back into that excuse...
I also have never said that God exists I said I believe God to exist, my burden of proof only extends to me as its my belief. You have provided nothing thus far to prove your point so again is that a no to proof?
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ahhhhhh good old russels tea pot...nice try TA but again i will show you to be the true jack ass you are sir...
You also make the assertion, you assert that God doesnt exist so the onus is also on you if you were to say that you arent sure that God exists then you could slink back into that excuse...
I also have never said that God exists I said I believe God to exist, my burden of proof only extends to me as its my belief. You have provided nothing thus far to prove your point so again is that a no to proof?
There is zero evidence for any god, yours included just as there is zero evidence for Purple Magical Flutes being played by Nymphs. Why would any sane person believe something with zero evidence?
So do you believe in Purple Magical Flutes being played by Nymphs also? If not, why.
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Chris matthews DOES LEAN LEFT BUT HE DOES TELL THE TRUTH ,but Fox News' Megyn Kelly i don't think so FOX NEWS ,NEWS FOR TEAM SIMPLETON
::)
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There is zero evidence for any god, yours included just as there is zero evidence for Purple Magical Flutes being played by Nymphs. Why would any sane person believe something with zero evidence?
So do you believe in Purple Magical Flutes being played by Nymphs also? If not, why.
zero evidence for in your mind is not evidence against true asshat...again what is your evidence against God...
I have evidence of my own to bolster my beliefs.
LOL now when ppl try to disprove evolution as a way of proving creationism what do you say even if evolution is wrong doesnt mean creationism is right, correct?
It would simply mean that evolution is wrong, it wouldnt prove creationism that is another topic all together.
so again you have no proof?
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zero evidence for in your mind is not evidence against true asshat...again what is your evidence against God...
I have evidence of my own to bolster my beliefs.
LOL now when ppl try to disprove evolution as a way of proving creationism what do you say even if evolution is wrong doesnt mean creationism is right, correct?
It would simply mean that evolution is wrong, it wouldnt prove creationism that is another topic all together.
so again you have no proof?
You aren`t offering anything to disprove.
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You aren`t offering anything to disprove.
Im proving you to be the jack ass we all knew you could be TA. If youd like to just slink away now and drop it I wont bump the thread.
My proof has nothing to do with your proof as ive already stated, the lack of proof of one theory doesnt prove an opposing theory you actually need proof otherwise it falls into the WE DONT KNOW category...As ive stated I believe God exists that doesnt mean I know God to exist. You claim that God doesnt exist so its on you to provide proof.
so again is that a no to proof?
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Im proving you to be the jack ass we all knew you could be TA. If youd like to just slink away now and drop it I wont bump the thread.
My proof has nothing to do with your proof as ive already stated, the lack of proof of one theory doesnt prove an opposing theory you actually need proof otherwise it falls into the WE DONT KNOW category...As ive stated I believe God exists that doesnt mean I know God to exist. You claim that God doesnt exist so its on you to provide proof.
so again is that a no to proof?
Again, you are not offering anything to disprove.
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Again, you are not offering anything to disprove.
LOL I never said I could prove, you on the other hand have...
so again no proof?
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LOL I never said I could prove, you on the other hand have...
so again no proof?
How can I offer evidence if you are not willing to offer anything to disprove?
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How can I offer evidence if you are not willing to offer anything to disprove?
again disproving my theory doesnt prove your theory brainchild...what part of that dont you understand?
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again disproving my theory doesnt prove your theory brainchild...what part of that dont you understand?
That doesn`t make any sense. You want me to disprove what you believe but will not offer the crux of why you believe, so therefore you are failing to offer anything to refute.
I do not understand what you think my "theory" to be. Evolution is a fact. God is Fiction.
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That doesn`t make any sense. You want me to disprove what you believe but will not offer the crux of why you believe, so therefore you are failing to offer anything to refute.
I do not understand what you think my "theory" to be. Evolution is a fact. God is Fiction.
I didnt ask you to disprove anything I asked you to prove your point...
This isnt a yes or no answer which is what youre trying to make it into its a yes, no and i dont know answer
even if you prove my theory wrong and you cant prove yours right that land in the I DONT KNOW CATEGORY...
again simply refuting one theory doesnt lend proof to another theory...
I believe in evolution as well dip shit...
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I didnt ask you to disprove anything I asked you to prove your point...
This isnt a yes or no answer which is what youre trying to make it into its a yes, no and i dont know answer
even if you prove my theory wrong and you cant prove yours right that land in the I DONT KNOW CATEGORY...
again simply refuting one theory doesnt lend proof to another theory...
I believe in evolution as well dip shit...
Atheism is not a belief system. It is simply the lack of supernatural or theocratic belief and the absence of faith of any kind.
Why don`t you start by offering first your evidence of why you believe in a deity. That way I can refute it.
What do you mean by "my theory"?
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Also, do you or do you not believe in Purple Magic Flutes played by Nymphs? If not, why. Or if you do, why?
Do you treat the Magic Flutes equally with your belief in a god? Why or why not?
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Atheism is not a belief system. It is simply the lack of supernatural or theocratic belief and the absence of faith of any kind.
Why don`t you start by offering first your evidence of why you believe in a deity. That way I can refute it.
What do you mean by "my theory"?
I never said it was a belief system but it does hold a belief
your theory is that there is no God, correct?
again simply refuting one theory doesnt prove an opposing theory you need proof of that theory, what part of that dont you understand?
Lack of proof for one theory doesnt lend proof to an opposing theory, get it?
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Also, do you or do you not believe in Purple Magic Flutes played by Nymphs? If not, why. Or if you do, why?
Do you treat the Magic Flutes equally with your belief in a god? Why or why not?
seeing as we started with you trying to prove God doesnt exist lets start there and when we finish that i promise we will move on to this.
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I never said it was a belief system but it does hold a belief
your theory is that there is no God, correct?
again simply refuting one theory doesnt prove an opposing theory you need proof of that theory, what part of that dont you understand?
Lack of proof for one theory doesnt lend proof to an opposing theory, get it?
Lack of belief is not a theory.
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Lack of belief is not a theory.
LOL ahh but it is, the theory that there is no God, which is what you believe isnt it?
trust TA ive had this arguement many times and it all comes back to you cant prove yours and i cant prove mine. The bad part is I already knew I couldnt prove mine but you probably hadnt realized just yet that you couldnt prove yours. Which Im going to guess is why you keep side stepping and misdirecting the issue.
so no proof?
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LOL ahh but it is, the theory that there is no God, which is what you believe isnt it?
trust TA ive had this arguement many times and it all comes back to you cant prove yours and i cant prove mine. The bad part is I already knew I couldnt prove mine but you probably hadnt realized just yet that you couldnt prove yours. Which Im going to guess is why you keep side stepping and misdirecting the issue.
so no proof?
A lack of belief is NOT a theory, the same way you dismiss the Purple Magical Flutes played by nymphs (or not since you refuse to answer whether you believe in them or not).
Again, give me something I can refute. You will not. You won`t even answer any questions. Instead you just would rather call me names to cover your frustration.
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A lack of belief is NOT a theory, the same way you dismiss the Purple Magical Flutes played by nymphs (or not since you refuse to answer whether you believe in them or not).
Again, give me something I can refute. You will not. You won`t even answer any questions. Instead you just would rather call me names to cover your frustration.
so what youre saying is you dont know if God exists or not?
we arent done here again when we get done with this I promise we will move on.
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so what youre saying is you dont know if God exists or not?
we arent done here again when we get done with this I promise we will move on.
There is no god. No gods exist. There is zero evidence of any god or gods. The same probability for the Purple Magical Flutes being payed by nymphs is the same probability of your god.
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A God would never create a being smart enough to destroy it.
man is smart enough to build some cute toys and weapons capable of blowing up our planet.
but face it.. if God made our brains complex enough to understand him, evil men would probably try to destroy him, right?
We're not even smart enough to understand fully how our brains work. We could never understand something that CREATED these brains to begin with.
Whatever energy, force, will, or God that put us here... our pea brains can't comprehend it. Both sides - athiest and religious - should look at how stupid people were 1000 years ago, and realize how much they'll be laughing at us in 1000 years.
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A God would never create a being smart enough to destroy it.
man is smart enough to build some cute toys and weapons capable of blowing up our planet.
but face it.. if God made our brains complex enough to understand him, evil men would probably try to destroy him, right?
We're not even smart enough to understand fully how our brains work. We could never understand something that CREATED these brains to begin with.
Whatever energy, force, will, or God that put us here... our pea brains can't comprehend it. Both sides - athiest and religious - should look at how stupid people were 1000 years ago, and realize how much they'll be laughing at us in 1000 years.
Here is the problem with this belief. It operates under a false assumption with zero evidence when you say the Universe was "created".
Also, brains were not magically created. Brains and brain size was part of the evolutionary process and is not universally significant amongst all all organisms. Trees are better at survival and proliferation than humans will ever be and they lack the brain we value so much.
Brains and Intelligence, while amusing, are not necessary for life to flourish and are not mystical or supernatural in any way.
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A God would never create a being smart enough to destroy it.
man is smart enough to build some cute toys and weapons capable of blowing up our planet.
but face it.. if God made our brains complex enough to understand him, evil men would probably try to destroy him, right?
We're not even smart enough to understand fully how our brains work. We could never understand something that CREATED these brains to begin with.
Whatever energy, force, will, or God that put us here... our pea brains can't comprehend it. Both sides - athiest and religious - should look at how stupid people were 1000 years ago, and realize how much they'll be laughing at us in 1000 years.
Also, just because we do not know the answer or have the technology as of yet to fully understand a concept, does not mean that we cannot or never will and should not automatically be assigned supernatural status.
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Bacteria pwn us all and lack a brain.
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I agree that I can prove nothing. And I do say it was 'created'... because i just can't figure out how it got here. Maybe the big bang was really material bumping into each other, material that had always been there.
I just can't comprehend a scenario where this is all here - and nothing created it. it boggles my mind.
I don't preach to anyone. i believe God is some energy we're all a part of, and i'm a big believer in pre-determinism... if this entire planet, solar system, galaxy, and universe is science and all matter does what it was created to do.... water, rock, plants, ants, and lions all do what nature tells them... but man has freedom? i dunno...
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There is no god. No gods exist. There is zero evidence of any god or gods. The same probability for the Purple Magical Flutes being payed by nymphs is the same probability of your god.
Thats fine there is no evidence for God, there is also no evidence that disproves God so again we are left with I dont know...
sorry for the late reply Ive been busy the last couple days.
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I agree that I can prove nothing. And I do say it was 'created'... because i just can't figure out how it got here. Maybe the big bang was really material bumping into each other, material that had always been there.
I just can't comprehend a scenario where this is all here - and nothing created it. it boggles my mind.
I don't preach to anyone. i believe God is some energy we're all a part of, and i'm a big believer in pre-determinism... if this entire planet, solar system, galaxy, and universe is science and all matter does what it was created to do.... water, rock, plants, ants, and lions all do what nature tells them... but man has freedom? i dunno...
240 there is a film out there called "pi" its the mathmatical symbol though I couldnt do it on the comp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)
I wont ruin it up for you but it plays to that end in a way and is a pretty good movie, cool concept anyway.