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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
Bush Railed against steroids in 2004=5 years ago
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most probably they are ashamed, event the lower tier bodybuilders totaly lie about there use,,,, my most favourite quote, ive been off for months, just had my 1st jab last week!, no one must ever be on...
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
Good point, lets ask Chick im sure he would respond with an honest answer question ::)
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
Legal issues aside, our culture views steroids as a form of cheating. If you grow up in this culture (as virtually all pros do) then to admit to steroid use is to admit to being a cheater. Our society does not like cheaters. So, deny, deny, deny—even when it’s obvious. And when you do admit, you say things like steroids are only 10% of what you see on stage. ::)
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bodybuilding = drugs
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I am for bodybuilding honestly embracing the hormones side of it. Bodybuilders should be just as comfortable saying they take "1.5 grams test a week" as they are comfortable saying they eat "4 meals a day of rice, chicken, etc"...
Maybe all the different steroid labs can sponsor bodybuilders who actually use their products, so customers can decide which lab they like best by watching a contest? :P
Also, let's stop saying "steroids are x%" and food and training are this or that percentage, as if they were completely separate things. The interaction between HORMONES AND NUTRITION is a bigger factor than nutrition alone, or drugs alone, or training alone.
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bodybuilding = drugs
Would anyone look twice at Branch if he were not on steroids? Remember, he is 5'6".
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
Whats sickening funny is that the more they abuse steroids, the more they brag about their amazing genetics.
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it has nothing to do with the criminal aspect of using aas or "cheating". It's two fold. First it is psychological for the user. A person uses aas for bodybuilding for the same reason that they build a body that is no like the regular guy--ATTENTION. They so desperately crave and NEED attention and validation that they build themselves into cartoons that cry out --"Look at me LOOK AT MEEEEE." And when they get that attention they need, they don't want the regular guy to know that if they took the same drug regimine that they would look the same as the bodybuilder. So....they lie. It helps to reinforce that false image in their heads that they are somehow special. Secondary to that psychological aspect is monetary. No company is going to sponsor a guy that admits that he is all drugs. Otherwise, why would a kid buy the snake oil? THey'd just buy the aas.
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Legal issues aside, our culture views steroids as a form of cheating. If you grow up in this culture (as virtually all pros do) then to admit to steroid use is to admit to being a cheater. Our society does not like cheaters. So, deny, deny, deny—even when it’s obvious. And when you do admit, you say things like steroids are only 10% of what you see on stage. ::)
Steroids are only 5%* of the equation.
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
So they don't get linked to a pharmacy or pinched by the feds. Common sense.
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PROBABLY number 1 reason is to not dissapoint there parents,what is there mom going to say to her friends "oh yeah my son uses steroids but we don't care at least he dosen't smoke or drink.
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I think a better question is why do we average recreational bodybuilders or plain old Joe's spend so much time and energy concerned with the fact (or assumption) that all bodybuilders are taking drugs. Shit, how many posts and discussions on this same tired ass subject have been plastered across boards all over the net (for years and years). Face it, if it were not for these same guys that you sit here and bash most of us wouldn't even waste our time with these forums, websites, magazines, supplements, etc. Come on, give it a rest. Face the facts and move on. It is what it is. The answer to your question is, Pro Bodybuilders decide to avoid the subject because they realized a long time ago the exact thing I just posted.
Pat
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They deny because they don't use them. Duh.
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
You don't want to look like you got an easy ride, that somehow, there's no merit your efforts if you took them.
Legal issues are also a plus, you wouldn't want the chance to bring unnecessary trouble to yourself.
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First and foremost, its not "cheating" when everyone is doing it. Is it cheating when a guy uses NOS in Nascar? Its part of the game, get used to it.
Secondly, taking a boat load of steroids will not gaurantee you a good looking body. How many guys do you know take 1000+mgs of stuff and they look like shit? I'm sure you see them in your gym all the time. Steroids are a small percentage of the equation and only enhance the genetics that you as an individual are born with.
Thirdly, it is common sense, folks. Would you want a few feds knocking on your door because the law caught wind of your illegal steroid usage?
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I think a better question is why do we average recreational bodybuilders or plain old Joe's spend so much time and energy concerned with the fact (or assumption) that all bodybuilders are taking drugs.
Pat
Maybe because steroids are way too $$$$$ and you have to be in denial to spend and spend to win a plastic sword or fruit loops crystal bowl ? Maybe because the whole "industry" is a joke? or cause you have to risk your health to get a "pro" card? or simply Because the before and after drug use "Look" is a bit shocking? or you might use the wrong' or fake' drug to try to look like your Pro bber idol but yet no one would tell you what to really use? or Maybe because this is a Bodybuilding forum? I dont know, the questions can go on and on
BTW, I dont think all bodybuilders are on drugs...(just the pro's)
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It's funny when pros say their health ailment was due to a predisposed genetic condition and not steroids. Well if they had a predisposition to a health ailment, why the fuck would they aggravate it by abusing steroids? ???
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First and foremost, its not "cheating" when everyone is doing it. Is it cheating when a guy uses NOS in Nascar? Its part of the game, get used to it.
Secondly, taking a boat load of steroids will not gaurantee you a good looking body. How many guys do you know take 1000+mgs of stuff and they look like shit?
Thirdly, it is common sense, folks. Would you want a few feds knocking on your door because the law caught wind of your illegal steroid usage?
Yes, kamali, keiko, need i go on?
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Legal issues aside, our culture views steroids as a form of cheating. If you grow up in this culture (as virtually all pros do) then to admit to steroid use is to admit to being a cheater. Our society does not like cheaters. So, deny, deny, deny—even when it’s obvious. And when you do admit, you say things like steroids are only 10% of what you see on stage. ::)
See...this is one thing I take issue with. You wanna do your drugs, fine. But these guys NEVER, EVER give the drugs their due. I've said this before.....I'll say it again, the Steroid drug dealer must be one of the most thankless jobs out there.
Just like "natural", to these guys is a lower dose. And don't get me started on those fuckers who claim to have "scripts".
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Legal issues aside, our culture views steroids as a form of cheating. If you grow up in this culture (as virtually all pros do) then to admit to steroid use is to admit to being a cheater. Our society does not like cheaters. So, deny, deny, deny—even when it’s obvious. And when you do admit, you say things like steroids are only 10% of what you see on stage. ::)
True
First and foremost, its not "cheating" when everyone is doing it. Is it cheating when a guy uses NOS in Nascar? Its part of the game, get used to it.
Secondly, taking a boat load of steroids will not gaurantee you a good looking body. How many guys do you know take 1000+mgs of stuff and they look like shit? I'm sure you see them in your gym all the time. Steroids are a small percentage of the equation and only enhance the genetics that you as an individual are born with.
Thirdly, it is common sense, folks. Would you want a few feds knocking on your door because the law caught wind of your illegal steroid usage?
Also true.
Good posts.
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First and foremost, its not "cheating" when everyone is doing it. Is it cheating when a guy uses NOS in Nascar? Its part of the game, get used to it.
Please. It's not thieving if everybody else is stealing.... ::) See how silly that sounds?
Secondly, taking a boat load of steroids will not gaurantee you a good looking body. How many guys do you know take 1000+mgs of stuff and they look like shit? I'm sure you see them in your gym all the time. Steroids are a small percentage of the equation and only enhance the genetics that you as an individual are born with.
I agree with you there. But the reality is...you still get some sort of results, that you WOULD NOT HAVE achieved naturally (strength, mass, et cetera).
Thirdly, it is common sense, folks. Would you want a few feds knocking on your door because the law caught wind of your illegal steroid usage?
Common sense says to me....if it's something you can't talk about, you probably shouldn't be doing it. Then you add the whole "illegal" thing to it......with our actions, come consequences. If you are worried about getting busted, don't do drugs. Again, common sense.
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Lets take out the obvious....legalities.
That aside, pro's don't openly discuss this topic because it's a non issue. They are all on equal ground (level playing field), and find it insulting that people lacking knowledge in the field, would so callously give so much credit to drugs with total disregard to the amount of work that goes into competing at the pro level. Steroids don't give you better gentics, a smaller waist, better proportions (actually ruins more than they help)...nor do they do your cardio for you, diet for you, or train twice a day for you...
It's only an issue with those who seem to think it's what seperates them from achieving anything themselves...
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How many guys do you know take 1000+mgs of stuff and they look like shit? I'm sure you see them in your gym all the time. Steroids are a small percentage of the equation and only enhance the genetics that you as an individual are born with.
They would look even shittier if they didn't use. That last sentence you would have to prove somehow...
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Lets take out the obvious....legalities.
That aside, pro's don't openly discuss this topic because it's a non issue. They are all on equal ground (level playing field), and find it insulting that people lacking knowledge in the field, would so callously give so much credit to drugs with total disregard to the amount of work that goes into competing at the pro level. Steroids don't give you better gentics, a smaller waist, better proportions (actually ruins more than they help)...nor do they do your cardio for you, diet for you, or train twice a day for you...
It's only an issue with those who seem to think it's what seperates them from achieving anything themselves...
No doubt. But give me the truth here. Coleman had fine damn genetics, so does heath and such, they can work out twice a day until they turn blue, do cardio all day, eat perfectly and not do drugs and they would end up last in any Mr. Olympia line-up.
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Please. It's not thieving if everybody else is stealing.... ::) See how silly that sounds?
His comment was so daft, I wasn’t even going to bother going there...
We can talk in circles all day, but the before/with and after/without pictures tell the whole story. We have all seen the pictures of guys like Mike Morris, Marko Savolainen, and others. Eating, training, etc. with the juice they are huge, ripped, and shredded. Eating, training, etc. without it they look like your average gymrat. :(
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Maybe because steroids are way too $$$$$ and you have to be in denial to spend and spend to win a plastic sword or fruit loops crystal bowl ? Maybe because the whole "industry" is a joke? or cause you have to risk your health to get a "pro" card? or simply Because the before and after drug use "Look" is a bit shocking? or you might use the wrong' or fake' drug to try to look like your Pro bber idol but yet no one would tell you what to really use? or Maybe because this is a Bodybuilding forum? I dont know, the questions can go on and on
BTW, I dont think all bodybuilders are on drugs...(just the pro's)
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Yeah, once again, I think we all know and the majority of people accept that it is just a part of the game. At least for now. Why do you seem appauled or upset about? You're not the one doing it. It doesn't adversly affect you and it doesn't put money or take money out of your pocket. They do what they do and we buy the magazines, supplements, apparel and whatever else we can to try our best to get to that level. Bottom line, spend more time worrying about developing your body (by whatever means is acceptable to you) and less time worrying about what Kamali (for example) is taking and we would all be a lot better off. Doesn't seem like a puzzle to me.
Pat
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No doubt. But give me the truth here. Coleman had fine damn genetics, so does heath and such, they can work out twice a day until they turn blue, do cardio all day, eat perfectly and not do drugs and they would end up last in any Mr. Olympia line-up.
Re read what he typed. It's a level playing field. That means they all do it and to give or take, the same extent. That's pretty obvious to anyone who even glances at them. If they all didn't all do it, those guys in your example would certainly not finish dead last as you suggested.
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In general people are stupid anyway :D but in this case too, people do not understand steroids and just believe everything the media feeds them.
As for cheating, cheating what? It's not like doing an exam and copying the person next to you. You could have studied and known the answers. You cannot actually get to a certain level without gear.
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Why is it that most Pro Bodybuilders like to deny or avoid steroid talk. It's just not today but even over a decade ago before Bush started his rampage against the juice. Do they think the average bodybuilder is that naive? I can see today that some have to lie due to their sponsors but as mentioned well over 10 years ago it was the same way and bodybuilder sponsorship wasn't even close to what it is today.
Is it a legal thing? Are they just lying to themselves or are they ashamed?
where's croatch when you need him
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where's croatch when you need him
Lets beat the natural dead horse for the 404,000,676 time
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Would anyone look twice at Branch if he were not on steroids? Remember, he is 5'6".
All natural ;D
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Yeah, once again, I think we all know and the majority of people accept that it is just a part of the game. At least for now. Why do you seem appauled or upset about? You're not the one doing it. It doesn't adversly affect you and it doesn't put money or take money out of your pocket. They do what they do and we buy the magazines, supplements, apparel and whatever else we can to try our best to get to that level. Bottom line, spend more time worrying about developing your body (by whatever means is acceptable to you) and less time worrying about what Kamali (for example) is taking and we would all be a lot better off. Doesn't seem like a puzzle to me.
Pat
Good post , but im not that worried as you might think in fact i enjoy talking about it were just wondering here why the epic denial of drug use even in the BB community, or at least the lack of credit to such an important tool needed in order to become PRO.
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Lets take out the obvious....legalities.
That aside, pro's don't openly discuss this topic because it's a non issue. They are all on equal ground (level playing field),
Yeah right, then theyre all in the same ground when it comes to trainning (equal equipments,dumbells,cables,machines etc) yet they ALL talk about it even show themselves trainning on a 2 plus hours dvd.(so you can learn "work ethics from the pros" for wich Im grateful....
In your face
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they dont talk about it cause its fkn ILLEGAL
just like at work you dont talk about the fat dub of chronic and the heavy session of gay anal sex with a farm animal you had the night before......'its so obvious, they should just admit it'
what a deuche for starting this thread....guys is gettin big AND gettin paid so you have to chime in and hate and say 'why dont they just say they're on drugs'
why doesnt the gov't say how we gather information or design steath aircraft
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he is still bigger than me as a natural :-\ :'(
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he is still bigger than me as a natural :-\ :'(
For the record Oct. 2005 is not Mike "natural." That is Mike coming down from a cycle. I don't consider 7 months coming down natural. If he's been clean since then, today I would consider him natural. ;)
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For the record Oct. 2005 is not Mike "natural." That is Mike coming down from a cycle. I don't consider 7 months coming down natural. If he's been clean since then, today I would consider him natural. ;)
I don't think you would lose that much in 7 months unless there is something else going on.
Then again maybe that is what is meant by 'all drugs'. I never thought i blew up a lot on gear but i had a good natural base and kept what i gained.
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they dont talk about it cause its fkn ILLEGAL
just like at work you dont talk about the fat dub of chronic and the heavy session of gay anal sex with a farm animal you had the night before......'its so obvious, they should just admit it'
what a deuche for starting this thread....guys is gettin big AND gettin paid so you have to chime in and hate and say 'why dont they just say they're on drugs'
why doesnt the gov't say how we gather information or design steath aircraft
Silly comparison. Government hides, or keeps such things a secret as it is a matter of national security. Using illegal drugs, for satisfying ones insecurities and flexing for a crowd of schmoes, does not compare.
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If countries weren't so hard on the laws about using AAS you would see a lot more bodybuilders being honest about their usage. Just like you wouldn't see the black market thrive as it does. If people want to destroy their bodies with massive abuse of AAS than let them. I mean you don't have cops camped outside a liquor store stopping people from buying 8 fifths of whiskey that they intend to drink themselves. Small changes in many laws would make worlds of difference.
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i agree, cause here, everyone talks freely about using and shit, since its legal :)
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i agree, cause here, everyone talks freely about using and shit, since its legal :)
Yes but here everyone is hiding behind their computer and using phoney names and gimmicks.
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No doubt. But give me the truth here. Coleman had fine damn genetics, so does heath and such, they can work out twice a day until they turn blue, do cardio all day, eat perfectly and not do drugs and they would end up last in any Mr. Olympia line-up.
Against guy that ARE taking steroids? NOw you have an advantage, not a level playing field. Assuming everyone on the Olympia stage was 10% drug free....the guys with the best genetics STILL would be on top.
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Against guy that ARE taking steroids? NOw you have an advantage, not a level playing field. Assuming everyone on the Olympia stage was 10% drug free....the guys with the best genetics STILL would be on top.
But you do remember that the best bb of all time Ronnie, at 33 (with over 10 years of drug use) had the smallest calves on stage he really had to abuse drugs,GH,Insulin,etc to bring them up and be the best in the world, having the best genetics or not the judges dont really care they just look for the best package on stage that particular day.
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That just looks like he fuked up his thyroid supps..still on gear..
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they dont talk about it cause its fkn ILLEGAL
just like at work you dont talk about the fat dub of chronic and the heavy session of gay anal sex with a farm animal you had the night before......'its so obvious, they should just admit it'
what a deuche for starting this thread....guys is gettin big AND gettin paid so you have to chime in and hate and say 'why dont they just say they're on drugs'
why doesnt the gov't say how we gather information or design steath aircraft
Best post in this thread hands down. Chick is also very honest about this touchy subject as well. Kudos.
To add to this, the bodybuilding lifestyle (all drugs) does not come cheap. The supplemental income isn't coming from a 9-5 job as I'm sure you could all guess. No bodybuilder sponsored by labs and sources, distributing drugs for sponsorship and/subsidies is going to admit having any association to the world of steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It's safer to deny everything and just confide to using a shot of deca or winny in your youth and act ignorant.
Guys like Palumbo are more liberal with their discussions mainly because they're not actively competing, don't have a large family, have HRT/TRT scripts from bogus anti-aging clinics and extremely liberal endocrinologists, etc.
Everyone knows that pros take a lot of drugs but don't act like an elitist f@ggot because you know their "horrible secret" and scorn them for having no morals or ethics. If you fucking idiots were in their position you'd be thanking your protein and Otomix footwear sponsors as well. STFU.
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Lets take out the obvious....legalities.
That aside, pro's don't openly discuss this topic because it's a non issue. They are all on equal ground (level playing field), and find it insulting that people lacking knowledge in the field, would so callously give so much credit to drugs with total disregard to the amount of work that goes into competing at the pro level. Steroids don't give you better gentics, a smaller waist, better proportions (actually ruins more than they help)...nor do they do your cardio for you, diet for you, or train twice a day for you...
It's only an issue with those who seem to think it's what seperates them from achieving anything themselves...
hahah what a load of shit. Being on roids doesnt automatically mean that you are a "harder worker" to that wich you are insinuating it is Bob Chickerillo. And the other statement is foolish aswell, if i took roids or a cutting drug id be ripped and have a smaller waste and wouldnt always carry this last bit of fat , steroids round off/cap off dietary errors. Also being on roids would make it easier to train twice a day wouldnt it? basically you are cheating the effort , but a well build dude even on roids is still respectable, it the end its about how you look and your health. And in the end you are taking the easy route and will have to pay sooner or later because your prostate or colon will be overgrown because of the roids at a faster rate than a non roider, bless your heart
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Gas is a part of the game. If people don't like or think its "fair", then they should leave the game and take up checkers or bird watching.
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Gas is a part of the game. If people don't like or think its "fair", then they should leave the game and take up checkers or bird watching.
Who cares if is fair or not? read the tittle of thread
The point is the denial and deluisional freaks that think roids are just a small percent of the equation.
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See...this is one thing I take issue with. You wanna do your drugs, fine. But these guys NEVER, EVER give the drugs their due. I've said this before.....I'll say it again, the Steroid drug dealer must be one of the most thankless jobs out there.
Just like "natural", to these guys is a lower dose. And don't get me started on those fuckers who claim to have "scripts".
You must be refering to our very own wayward son... Bob Chick! :)
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Against guy that ARE taking steroids? NOw you have an advantage, not a level playing field. Assuming everyone on the Olympia stage was 10% drug free....the guys with the best genetics STILL would be on top.
This is simply not true...or at lest not going to be true 100% of the time. Allow me to quote you Chick.
"Genetics in bodybuilding come down to three things.
1. Your structure.
2. Your Response to training.
3. Your response to gear."
There are going to be people on stage that have average genetics in regards to numbers 1, and 2, but insane genetics in regards to number 3. Simply put...its impossible to say who would win the Olympia if everyone showed up completely clean next year. ....Probably the one that excels the most at #1.
M!
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hahah what a load of shit. Being on roids doesnt automatically mean that you are a "harder worker" to that wich you are insinuating it is Bob Chickerillo. And the other statement is foolish aswell, if i took roids or a cutting drug id be ripped and have a smaller waste and wouldnt always carry this last bit of fat , steroids round off/cap off dietary errors. Also being on roids would make it easier to train twice a day wouldnt it? basically you are cheating the effort , but a well build dude even on roids is still respectable, it the end its about how you look and your health. And in the end you are taking the easy route and will have to pay sooner or later because your prostate or colon will be overgrown because of the roids at a faster rate than a non roider, bless your heart
I didn't have to "insinuate" anything....I said exactly what I wanted.
What else YOU read into it, is just that....you reading what you want into it.
The rest of your statement is just rambling nonsense
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Who cares if is fair or not? read the tittle of thread
The point is the denial and deluisional freaks that think roids are just a small percent of the equation.
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Thats because they ARE a small percent of the equation knuckle nuts.
Whoooosshhhh ???
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Modern chemistry is a hell of a drug ;D
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Modern chemistry is a hell of a drug ;D
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This is simply not true...or at lest not going to be true 100% of the time. Allow me to quote you Chick.
"Genetics in bodybuilding come down to three things.
1. Your structure.
2. Your Response to training.
3. Your response to gear."
There are going to be people on stage that have average genetics in regards to numbers 1, and 2, but insane genetics in regards to number 3. Simply put...its impossible to say who would win the Olympia if everyone showed up completely clean next year. ....Probably the one that excels the most at #1.
M!
Care to comment on your above quote Chick?
M!
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This is simply not true...or at lest not going to be true 100% of the time. Allow me to quote you Chick.
"Genetics in bodybuilding come down to three things.
1. Your structure.
2. Your Response to training.
3. Your response to gear."
There are going to be people on stage that have average genetics in regards to numbers 1, and 2, but insane genetics in regards to number 3. Simply put...its impossible to say who would win the Olympia if everyone showed up completely clean next year. ....Probably the one that excels the most at #1.
M!
Yes, those pros who are all drugs would disappear, and then the Mr. O could be crowned at the Mr. Getbig.
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They don't talk about drugs as they don't want everyone walking around at a ripped 250 lbs.
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They don't talk about drugs as they don't want everyone walking around at a ripped 250 lbs.
you posted up pics of your poonaner yet?
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you posted up pics of your poonaner yet?
No.
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lol
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They don't talk about drugs as they don't want everyone walking around at a ripped 250 lbs.
Yeh cause it's just that easy