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Title: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 14, 2009, 03:46:21 PM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Army of One on August 14, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
MMA, oh brother, just what we need is another stone faced warrior  ::)
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Deadpool on August 14, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
maybe a running forum would help?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: phemonmmill32 on August 14, 2009, 03:54:14 PM
find some literature by tudor bompa online or in the library.. most dI track programs still utilize his training philosphy  / regimen.. I know LSU's program and Texas A&M's program do and they are two of the most successful in collegiate history
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 14, 2009, 03:57:13 PM
MMA= beer drinkers according to PBF
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 14, 2009, 04:01:37 PM
find some literature by tudor bompa online or in the library.. most dI track programs still utilize his training philosphy  / regimen.. I know LSU's program and Texas A&M's program do and they are two of the most successful in collegiate history

I found his site, but sadly am a bit too poor to fork over 90 bucks for a program. Anything free online I can scope?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Deadpool on August 14, 2009, 04:03:02 PM
get a library book the price is right
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 14, 2009, 04:06:59 PM
get a library book the price is right

Not a bad idea. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Army of One on August 14, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
Its not fucking rocket science, just run 3-4 days a week and increase by half a mile a week to avoid injury.After a few weeks increase to 5 days a week, its running for christ sake, youve been doing it since you were 2.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on August 14, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
u just gotta keep doing it
 and keep going when u feel like stopping
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 14, 2009, 04:14:19 PM
when i was preparing for my boxing match I would do sprinting sessions twice a week and a long jog once a week.

A sprinting session would usually consist of sprinting 100 metres then jogging 100 metres then repeating.
For example

Spring, jog, spring, jog..................100 0 metres in total
5 sets

(obviously the distance and sets will vary accodring to the current stage you're currently at)

When i did this my stamina went through the roof in terms of gains, its extremly hard but the fight will be alot easier if you implement this routine.
Trust me; you dont need to jog 10 miles to gain stamina. Same with workouts in the MMA gym, no need to go 10 sloppy rounds when you can go 5 hard ones. Remember intensity is the key.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 14, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
when i was preparing for my boxing match I would do sprinting sessions twice a week and a long jog once a week.

A sprinting session would usually consist of sprinting 100 metres then jogging 100 metres then repeating.
For example

Spring, jog, spring, jog..................100 0 metres in total
5 sets

(obviously the distance and sets will vary accodring to the current stage you're currently at)

When i did this my stamina went through the roof in terms of gains, its extremly hard but the fight will be alot easier if you implement this routine.
Trust me; you dont need to jog 10 miles to gain stamina. Same with workouts in the MMA gym, no need to go 10 sloppy rounds when you can go 5 hard ones. Remember intensity is the key.

Ok so If I hit the gym today after back and abs I want to run. Based on what you are recommending I'm thinking of hitting wind sprints for 25 minutes, then stretching, then 25 minutes of what jogging? Or should I run? Run but not sprint. Also would using the sauna be beneficial? Im thinking sweating some water out before I run will help as It will cut some water weight. I retain a fair amount of water just a natural thing.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: emn1964 on August 14, 2009, 04:25:50 PM
Its not fucking rocket science, just run 3-4 days a week and increase by half a mile a week to avoid injury.After a few weeks increase to 5 days a week, its running for christ sake, youve been doing it since you were 2.

lol.  why does everyone think there is a secret to even the most simple task?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on August 14, 2009, 06:16:40 PM
Ok so If I hit the gym today after back and abs I want to run. Based on what you are recommending I'm thinking of hitting wind sprints for 25 minutes, then stretching, then 25 minutes of what jogging? Or should I run? Run but not sprint. Also would using the sauna be beneficial? Im thinking sweating some water out before I run will help as It will cut some water weight. I retain a fair amount of water just a natural thing.

wind sprints?


You shouldnt do this workout i recommended after a weightlifting session simplpy because you wont have enough enerygy, if you really want to get in shape you should do it on a seperate day all together.

Just do sprints and fast jogs, mix it up....dont get too scientific, if you're struggling to breathe then obviously you are going to be better next time around. Btw I never did it on a treadmil, i did it on my local park at night usually when nobody was there.
Fuck the sauna, whats the point when ur going to drink back the fluids anyway?

A sauna is only neccessary if on fightnight you havent made the weight and you need to sweat the weight off




Another routine is this:

Find a 400m track

Sprint around it, then rest for 30-50 seconds then sprint again. Do that as many times as you can and time yourself.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: 240 is Back on August 14, 2009, 06:17:49 PM
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Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: noworries on August 14, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.

That would give you a sub 3 hour marathon.  I don't think you should make that your goal.  Be realistic
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 14, 2009, 06:29:45 PM
Running works.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: andreisdaman on August 14, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.


dude...I admire your determination....but running at 9.0 on the treadmill for four or five miles is impossible unless you are a professional runner....at that speed you won't even make one mile//try 5.0 instead...then you'll have a chance..you are trying to bite off more than you or anyone can chew
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: ManBearPig... on August 14, 2009, 06:41:12 PM
Running works.

dude, no need to post pics of yourself that you use at swingers forums.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: 240 is Back on August 14, 2009, 06:48:53 PM

dude...I admire your determination....but running at 9.0 on the treadmill for four or five miles is impossible unless you are a professional runner....at that speed you won't even make one mile//try 5.0 instead...then you'll have a chance..you are trying to bite off more than you or anyone can chew

plus youll burn up all your muscle.

Guys with lots of muscle do low-intensity cardio. 

I like to run for 4-5 minutes at 6 or 7 mph, but then it's back to slow pace.  Otherwise I get scrawny and abs come out, a sure sign i'm doing something wrong.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Princess L on August 14, 2009, 07:09:33 PM
This is an article I've had on my computer for years.  While it's not exactly what you're looking for, there's a lot of good information so you could structure your own plan.

http://www.endurancetraining.com.au/Articles/Half%20Marathon%20Training%20Program.pdf
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 14, 2009, 07:15:37 PM
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Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: johnnynoname on August 14, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/the_hiit_revolution_for_fat_burning_success (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/the_hiit_revolution_for_fat_burning_success)
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/running_man (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/running_man)

these are both excellent articles- especially the second one
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Marty Champions on August 14, 2009, 07:17:52 PM
if the goal is to be thick and strong and have great endurance then yes RUN but you must consume A LOT OF Calories everyday to at best partially recover from day to day/consecutive every day running. You will be gradually consuming more and more food naturally to grow into and adapt it will take a few months of this EVERYDAY RUNNING  to be really good
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: wes mantooth on August 14, 2009, 09:53:12 PM
if youre training for MMA...train for MMA. Running is only one facet of cardio endurance.....spar 3 minute rounds and work your way into sparring for multiple 5 minute rounds

try other things like wind sprints/ hill runs
jumping rope for rounds
swimming
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 15, 2009, 12:48:08 AM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.

Get used to running uphill. 15% incline is good... (work your way up to it if your not used to it) HIIT style. Keep the incline the same but vary the speeds, from fast walking to sprinting.

NO holding on!!!  >:(
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Tapeworm on August 15, 2009, 01:01:05 AM
Running sucks.  Choose a low impact form of cardio.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 15, 2009, 01:06:13 AM
I had a BJJ teacher that said every 15? minutes of running is like 1 minute of BJJ. or something like that.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: oldtimer1 on August 15, 2009, 07:12:20 AM
There are so many factors that go into conditioning for fighting whether boxing or MMA. Bodybuilders are the worse people to ask advice concerning this.  Most perma bulkers couldn't run around the block or box an effective 3 minute round because they have no true conditioning.  They are so use to impressing their ego with their half squats, quarter leg presses and again half range of motion presses of all type.  Most are in horrible condition. I just ran into this at a local 5K race.  One of the sponsors was this local big gym.  They sent three of their cosmetic bodybuilder trainers to enter because they were one of the sponsors of the race.  Every chubby soccer mom ran past them at the one mile mark.  It was embarrassing.

In addition to practicing your stand up game and submission wrestling you should also do conditioning drills. Running is one part of the equation.  I have never met a wrestler or boxer that didn't run.  You need both distance and sprint intervals.  Don't listen to guys that bodybuild who walk on a treadmill like an old lady or only do 100 meter repeats. 

Hit the link below.  This guy knows what conditioning is for real fighting.  Not the bodybuilding split nonsense with elliptical machines for cardio BS.




http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthvsconditioning.html


Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 15, 2009, 09:51:34 AM
There are so many factors that go into conditioning for fighting whether boxing or MMA. Bodybuilders are the worse people to ask advice concerning this.  Most perma bulkers couldn't run around the block or box an effective 3 minute round because they have no true conditioning.  They are so use to impressing their ego with their half squats, quarter leg presses and again half range of motion presses of all type.  Most are in horrible condition. I just ran into this at a local 5K race.  One of the sponsors was this local big gym.  They sent three of their cosmetic bodybuilder trainers to enter because they were one of the sponsors of the race.  Every chubby soccer mom ran past them at the one mile mark.  It was embarrassing.

In addition to practicing your stand up game and submission wrestling you should also do conditioning drills. Running is one part of the equation.  I have never met a wrestler or boxer that didn't run.  You need both distance and sprint intervals.  Don't listen to guys that bodybuild who walk on a treadmill like an old lady or only do 100 meter repeats. 

Hit the link below.  This guy knows what conditioning is for real fighting.  Not the bodybuilding split nonsense with elliptical machines for cardio BS.




http://www.rosstraining.com/articles/strengthvsconditioning.html




This thread has given me some good info! This post in particular.

Here is where I am, and my goals. I will be HONEST (which few are).

Age 29
Height 5 ft 9 1/2
weight 215
waist about 30 inches closer to 29
BF around 14% (Just a guess I will text anyone a couple pics if they like pm me your # I have some recent shots)

Currently I can sprint pretty well and am attempting to be both strong fast and agile with excellent endurance. I want to get down to 195 keeping my strength if not getting stronger and have excellent cardio.

Trained for BBing for years but got sick of it. I am ready for something new and have excellent genes (natural BTW have been about 4-5 years now). I took karate about 7 years when I was younger so I have a good foundation for martial arts though by no means would I say I really know what I am doing. I am def a beginner. I work about 2 miles from AKA and that is  where I was planning to join.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 15, 2009, 10:16:43 AM
Get used to running uphill. 15% incline is good... (work your way up to it if your not used to it) HIIT style. Keep the incline the same but vary the speeds, from fast walking to sprinting.

NO holding on!!!  >:(

So what is a good incline to start with? 4% or 3%? So I would say walk for 5 then do my sprints and then what keep doing this incline until it gets easy and then move up 1% at a time? I mean I really do need a routine here. I have no clue what to do really.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 15, 2009, 10:18:12 AM
Should I just run twice a day using various techniques until I get good at it? And forego the weights? I can put on muscle relatively easy and quickly.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 15, 2009, 11:23:58 AM
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/the_hiit_revolution_for_fat_burning_success (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/the_hiit_revolution_for_fat_burning_success)
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/running_man (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding/running_man)

these are both excellent articles- especially the second one

ty
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 15, 2009, 12:11:25 PM
So what is a good incline to start with? 4% or 3%? So I would say walk for 5 then do my sprints and then what keep doing this incline until it gets easy and then move up 1% at a time? I mean I really do need a routine here. I have no clue what to do really.

Start off at 8%.. every week bump it up 2-3%. Work your way up to 15% gradually..once you get comfortable with that keep increasing the intensity speedwise. 2 min fast walk, 1 minute run intervals. At the end of each 1 minute running interval you should feel close to puking. Do not stop, but set the speed at a fast walk pace and recover that way until its time to run again. Again, do not hold on! this totally defeats the purpose.

Do a good 5 minute warmup with a fast walk. my speed varies between 3.7 (walking)and 6.5 mph (running) at 15% incline.

The cardio workout should last between 20-30 min per day, with a total of 4-5 running intervals. Its very intense but it will get you in great shape if you can stick with it.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: fathead on August 15, 2009, 12:18:59 PM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.

go outside and put 1 foot in front of the other and just do that repeatedly at a fast pace.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 15, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
Should I just run twice a day using various techniques until I get good at it? And forego the weights? I can put on muscle relatively easy and quickly.

Keep lifting. If nothing else at least keep compound movements.. squats, deadlifts. Bare minimum. You want to be a fast runner glute/hamstring strength is very important..well overall leg strength really. Best not to have imbalances that could lead to injury

I forgot to mention, practice your breathing during the cardio warmup and throughout the session. No short/shallow breaths...you wont last 3 minutes. Deep breathing..3 seconds in, 3 seconds out. It will make it so much easier.

Make sure you have a fan blowing in your face or some good form of ventilation, and lots of water handy. You will need it.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: ironneck on August 15, 2009, 12:39:58 PM
Running works.


not sexy  >:(
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 15, 2009, 07:43:31 PM

not sexy  >:(

nice arms.

where's the after pic?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: 240 is Back on August 15, 2009, 07:49:13 PM
Walk into a bar and single out the ugliest, biggest, scariest MFer in the place.

Order a coke.

Throw the coke in the scary man's face.










At this point, you are about to engage in the most intense running workout of your life.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: ironneck on August 16, 2009, 06:07:56 AM
nice arms.

where's the after pic?

lol that's method
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: MoralMan on August 16, 2009, 07:59:22 AM
can i ask why MMa and not boxing?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 16, 2009, 08:03:26 AM
can i ask why MMa and not boxing?

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Mons Venus on August 16, 2009, 10:15:35 AM
I am trying to get in shape for MMA and have been working on my cardio big time but I just don't make progress running. I am losing fat pretty fast but I still cannot run for sh*t! Sprints are ok but nothing for distance. Idealy I would like to be able to run at least 4-5 miles without stopping at a rate of about 9mph (this would be 9.0 on the treadmill). That is my goal. Please somebody give me a good routine to get there asap. I am willing to work HARD to get there, but have no direction. Lifitng I am good at and dieting, but i have no clue how to run or what tactics to use.

For MMA......think anaerobic/lactate threshold.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 16, 2009, 10:18:31 AM
For MMA......think anaerobic/lactate threshold.

Also, consider lactose intolerance. Haven't we learned anything form the 60s?

And whilel you're considering that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Earl1972 on August 16, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
can i ask why MMa and not boxing?

he wants to be a well rounded fighter?

E
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: big L dawg on August 16, 2009, 12:42:00 PM
can i ask why MMa and not boxing?

boxing's to hard...and he wants to make less $....

but in all seriousness had a buddy that was a gold glove boxer.He jumped rope 3 minutes straight with a minute off then 3 more minutes ect.sometime for an hour...needless to say it was known by all his opponets he would never gas out as the fight went on.dude was well known 4 having some serious cardio.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 16, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
Keep lifting. If nothing else at least keep compound movements.. squats, deadlifts. Bare minimum. You want to be a fast runner glute/hamstring strength is very important..well overall leg strength really. Best not to have imbalances that could lead to injury

I forgot to mention, practice your breathing during the cardio warmup and throughout the session. No short/shallow breaths...you wont last 3 minutes. Deep breathing..3 seconds in, 3 seconds out. It will make it so much easier.

Make sure you have a fan blowing in your face or some good form of ventilation, and lots of water handy. You will need it.

Thank you very much for both posts. Leaving now to try it! Fuck 8%.,,, I will do my best and report back (good lord)
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 16, 2009, 03:58:14 PM
he wants to be a well rounded fighter?

E

Spot on. I live in san jose (just went to Strikeforce) and fuck boxing it's all Muay Thai and BJJ for me. Except for the danish cat who fucked up bobalu the best fighters were all MT and BJJ.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 16, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
can i ask why MMa and not boxing?
boxers make too much $$$.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: tbombz on August 16, 2009, 04:06:26 PM
Spot on. I live in san jose (just went to Strikeforce) and fuck boxing it's all Muay Thai and BJJ for me. Except for the danish cat who fucked up bobalu the best fighters were all MT and BJJ.
muay thai is hardcore, i used to have a friend who did muiay thai and during p.e. in high school me nd a few other buddies would just stand around him in a circle and try our best to kick him... hed always fuck us up..we never could do any damage to him..
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 16, 2009, 04:11:45 PM
muay thai is hardcore, i used to have a friend who did muiay thai and during p.e. in high school me nd a few other buddies would just stand around him in a circle jerk and try our best to kick cum on him... hed always fuck us up..we never could do any anal damage to him..
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 16, 2009, 08:41:39 PM
Thank you very much for both posts. Leaving now to try it! Fuck 8%.,,, I will do my best and report back (good lord)

8%, good starting point. you can do it!!!   :D
let me know how it goes!
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Marty Champions on August 16, 2009, 09:00:29 PM
8%, good starting point. you can do it!!!   :D
let me know how it goes!

the epic isomnia teaching a young man how to use his cock correctly  :P
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 16, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
the epic isomnia teaching a young man how to use his cock correctly  :P

that was 8% not 8 inches! get your mind outta the gutter  ;D
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
8%, good starting point. you can do it!!!   :D
let me know how it goes!

It went alright. I managed a full 20 minutes with the incline at 8% and I never lowered it. Managed about 10 minutes of 5.5 and another 5 min of 3.2 and 5 min at 2.8. I had to get off three times for a quick breather/water break. Intense! I felt sick for a couple hours after. Honestly this seems to be what I was looking for as my body was just NOT made for running on a flat surface. It's just not effective. Thanks for the advice, I'm sticking with it and will update every few days or so. Also in a couple days i'll put up some progress pics and what not.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
Start off at 8%.. every week bump it up 2-3%. Work your way up to 15% gradually..once you get comfortable with that keep increasing the intensity speedwise. 2 min fast walk, 1 minute run intervals. At the end of each 1 minute running interval you should feel close to puking. Do not stop, but set the speed at a fast walk pace and recover that way until its time to run again. Again, do not hold on! this totally defeats the purpose.

Do a good 5 minute warmup with a fast walk. my speed varies between 3.7 (walking)and 6.5 mph (running) at 15% incline.

The cardio workout should last between 20-30 min per day, with a total of 4-5 running intervals. Its very intense but it will get you in great shape if you can stick with it.

I just realized you are WALKING at 3.7??? Is this accurate??>?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: big L dawg on August 17, 2009, 02:21:52 PM
I just realized you are WALKING at 3.7??? Is this accurate??>?

whats wrong with that?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 02:58:36 PM
whats wrong with that?

With an 8% grade that's pretty intense. At least for me!
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: big L dawg on August 17, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
With an 8% grade that's pretty intense. At least for me!

yea true...I didnt factor in the grade...I do 3.5 usually with a very slight incline...
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 05:56:21 PM
Is it safe to take ECA before running on an incline? Will help with energy. I was thinking 1 bronkaid with a strong cup of coffee and a couple 81mg aspirin. I'm sure it will give me energy, but would it increase my risk of heart attack? Oh and add a bit of baking soda I happen to like it for cardio. 1/2 teaspoon or so.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 17, 2009, 06:45:43 PM
With an 8% grade that's pretty intense. At least for me!
IT depends on your stride.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2009, 07:35:15 PM
Is it safe to take ECA before running on an incline? Will help with energy. I was thinking 1 bronkaid with a strong cup of coffee and a couple 81mg aspirin. I'm sure it will give me energy, but would it increase my risk of heart attack? Oh and add a bit of baking soda I happen to like it for cardio. 1/2 teaspoon or so.

Will it increase the risk?  yes.  increased blood pressure and the heart pitter patters.

Will it increase the risk anything to worry about?  Depends on your age, fitness, and fmaily history.

Honestly, using ECA with fast incline running makes no sense.  If you want to shed body fat, you use ECA and low-intensity cardio for 30-40 minutes, first thing in the AM.  If you want to increase your endurance and fitness levels and running ability, you leave the ECA at home.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 07:48:15 PM
Will it increase the risk?  yes.  increased blood pressure and the heart pitter patters.

Will it increase the risk anything to worry about?  Depends on your age, fitness, and fmaily history.

Honestly, using ECA with fast incline running makes no sense.  If you want to shed body fat, you use ECA and low-intensity cardio for 30-40 minutes, first thing in the AM.  If you want to increase your endurance and fitness levels and running ability, you leave the ECA at home.

Ok. Dangit I was hoping to use it for some more energy. What can I safely take before hand?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 17, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
IT depends on your stride.

Is As9s seriously your favorite hand? Reason?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 17, 2009, 07:51:39 PM
Is As9s seriously your favorite hand? Reason?
you want me. :-X
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: 240 is Back on August 17, 2009, 07:51:46 PM
Ok. Dangit I was hoping to use it for some more energy. What can I safely take before hand?

In my humble opinion - nothing.

Spend 1 week getting off caffeine completely.  

Then, use 1/4 to 1/2 of a yellow caffeine tablet - ONLY on days you run, 45 minutes before you hit the treadmill.  Your sensitivity to caff will be thru the roof.  You'll sweat buckets and have insane energy.  Crazy retard strength as well.

Then you don't use any caffeine (and go very easy on tea/coffee) until 48 ot 72 hours have passed and you're ready to run once again.



ECA will give you plenty of energy.  it'll bump your metabolism up 2 to 3 percent.  it'll also put you in that stringy catabolic state.  IMO, if you're over 25, and just trying to get lean, it's not worth it.  But opinions are like getbiggers...
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 17, 2009, 09:53:11 PM
It went alright. I managed a full 20 minutes with the incline at 8% and I never lowered it. Managed about 10 minutes of 5.5 and another 5 min of 3.2 and 5 min at 2.8. I had to get off three times for a quick breather/water break. Intense! I felt sick for a couple hours after. Honestly this seems to be what I was looking for as my body was just NOT made for running on a flat surface. It's just not effective. Thanks for the advice, I'm sticking with it and will update every few days or so. Also in a couple days i'll put up some progress pics and what not.

Wow, thats great! Keep it up. You will be amazed at your capacity in the near future to run on flat surfaces  ;)

Running/walking on incline is also lower impact.

& Yes you are supposed to feel sick. That will go away/wont be as severe once you get used to it...but on that note keep increasing the intensity.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 17, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
I just realized you are WALKING at 3.7??? Is this accurate??>?

Yes. I'm 34 yrs/ 5'5" female, so I dont have long legs.. but been training like this for years so it doesnt seem that intense.

No particular reason for it, other than I love the way it makes me feel... so ALIVE!
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on August 17, 2009, 09:58:29 PM
Is it safe to take ECA before running on an incline? Will help with energy. I was thinking 1 bronkaid with a strong cup of coffee and a couple 81mg aspirin. I'm sure it will give me energy, but would it increase my risk of heart attack? Oh and add a bit of baking soda I happen to like it for cardio. 1/2 teaspoon or so.

I would suggest something like green tea/EGCG,and/or black coffee, and maybe an aspirin if your legs are sore. Try to get through it without the ephedrine or bronkaid. You dont wanna become dependent, and its bad for your heart so I hear.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 17, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Yes. I'm 34 yrs/ 5'5" female[/b], so I dont have long legs.. but been training like this for years so it doesnt seem that intense.

No particular reason for it, other than I love the way it makes me feel... so ALIVE!

Oh, really?

How YOU doin'?
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 18, 2009, 12:29:24 AM

Oh, really?

How YOU doin'?
hahaha
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 18, 2009, 09:06:44 AM
I would suggest something like green tea/EGCG,and/or black coffee, and maybe an aspirin if your legs are sore. Try to get through it without the ephedrine or bronkaid. You dont wanna become dependent, and its bad for your heart so I hear.

Ok. Im off in a couple minutes for round 2! Took a prohormone and 1/2 bronkaid. We will see how it goes! I do not plan to become dependant, but I need to get some momentum going then I will cut the ancillaries.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: MoralMan on August 18, 2009, 10:20:32 AM
Boxings much harder than MMa, for boxing you need to be tough and skilled aas you will get hit and hurt a lot, for mma as long as you have skill to sub an opponent you wont get hurt too much,
boxers are far tougher
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: garebear on August 18, 2009, 07:43:03 PM
Boxings much harder than MMa, for boxing you need to be tough and skilled aas you will get hit and hurt a lot, for mma as long as you have skill to sub an opponent you wont get hurt too much,
boxers are far tougher


badgers are toughest of all
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 26, 2009, 01:45:00 PM
Man I've never seen anything as tough as running uphill. Makes my lungs and legs BURN like nothing ever. I strongly encourage anyone wanting to get in shape to try it!
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on August 28, 2009, 03:11:37 AM
Man I've never seen anything as tough as running uphill. Makes my lungs and legs BURN like nothing ever. I strongly encourage anyone wanting to get in shape to try it!
you get used to it.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Mr Nobody on August 28, 2009, 03:13:39 AM
Is your refrigerator running? If so go catch it great program right there :D
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on August 31, 2009, 03:17:10 PM
you get used to it.

yup. Damn proud of it! Yesterday was hitting the wind sprints. Speed 6.0 incline 8%. I did 5 1 min sprints (the first one was closer to a min and a half really) mixed with walking at 3.0. Kept the grade up the entire time. Whole thing with 5 min warmup has me on the tread about 30 min followed by 10-15 on the bike easy pace though. Amazing results! Have to say the crazy part is that my heart is becoming used to it, and bouncing up to 165-185 down to 130 back up and down with really no prob. Then a couple minutes of walking and it's back down to 110 and I hop on the bike. Pretty crazy honestly. I am almost ready to bump the incline to 10% but I want to be able to do 6 sprints at 6.5 and reduce my recovery time to 2 min and I will do it. I am shocked and amazed the majority of america would not be doing this given the easy access and affordabilty of major gym chains and treadmills. Sickening really.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: FREAKgeek on August 31, 2009, 03:24:18 PM
Man I've never seen anything as tough as running uphill. Makes my lungs and legs BURN like nothing ever. I strongly encourage anyone wanting to get in shape to try it!


We're bodybuilders man. We don't fucking run. We take the elevator.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: INSOMNIA on September 01, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
yup. Damn proud of it! Yesterday was hitting the wind sprints. Speed 6.0 incline 8%. I did 5 1 min sprints (the first one was closer to a min and a half really) mixed with walking at 3.0. Kept the grade up the entire time. Whole thing with 5 min warmup has me on the tread about 30 min followed by 10-15 on the bike easy pace though. Amazing results! Have to say the crazy part is that my heart is becoming used to it, and bouncing up to 165-185 down to 130 back up and down with really no prob. Then a couple minutes of walking and it's back down to 110 and I hop on the bike. Pretty crazy honestly. I am almost ready to bump the incline to 10% but I want to be able to do 6 sprints at 6.5 and reduce my recovery time to 2 min and I will do it. I am shocked and amazed the majority of america would not be doing this given the easy access and affordabilty of major gym chains and treadmills. Sickening really.

Thanks for keeping us updated on your progress! Glad this is working out well for you! Props for sticking with it.  :)
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on September 01, 2009, 11:43:03 AM
yup. Damn proud of it! Yesterday was hitting the wind sprints. Speed 6.0 incline 8%. I did 5 1 min sprints (the first one was closer to a min and a half really) mixed with walking at 3.0. Kept the grade up the entire time. Whole thing with 5 min warmup has me on the tread about 30 min followed by 10-15 on the bike easy pace though. Amazing results! Have to say the crazy part is that my heart is becoming used to it, and bouncing up to 165-185 down to 130 back up and down with really no prob. Then a couple minutes of walking and it's back down to 110 and I hop on the bike. Pretty crazy honestly. I am almost ready to bump the incline to 10% but I want to be able to do 6 sprints at 6.5 and reduce my recovery time to 2 min and I will do it. I am shocked and amazed the majority of america would not be doing this given the easy access and affordabilty of major gym chains and treadmills. Sickening really.
congratu-fucking-lations you're getting in shape ;D
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seriously tho, i love my gyms precor ellipticals. But i tried to run a least 1.5 miles 3 times a week at night, on my treadmill at home.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: GroinkTropin on September 01, 2009, 05:00:40 PM
congratu-fucking-lations you're getting in shape ;D
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seriously tho, i love my gyms precor ellipticals. But i tried to run a least 1.5 miles 3 times a week at night, on my treadmill at home.

I can't make the elliptical work for me for some reason. Something about moving around your arms and legs rhythmically that my body just doesn't seem to like.
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: HTexan on September 01, 2009, 10:30:08 PM
I can't make the elliptical work for me for some reason. Something about moving around your arms and legs rhythmically that my body just doesn't seem to like.
I used the ones with just the leg part. That wa, when i'm pumping my heart rate at 145-160 I can still watch movies on my iphone. ;D
Title: Re: I need a program for running
Post by: Eric2 on September 01, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
Sure here is your program. Put on your shoes...........go outside and stretch the muscles and start running.  ;D