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Title: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince B on August 17, 2009, 03:59:56 AM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Tapeworm on August 17, 2009, 04:05:52 AM
And you kids be quiet down there!  People are trying to sleep!  Show some respect for your elders, you flotsam!  And stay off my lawn, 'lil whippersnappers!

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Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Tapeworm on August 17, 2009, 04:10:42 AM
Ok Vince, I'll bite.  Why is using a rope ineffective for pressdowns?  You don't believe a neutral palm position will engage different heads of the tricep than would a pronated or supinated grip?
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: NaturalWonder83 on August 17, 2009, 04:13:09 AM
great post as usual vince
thanx for saying what needed to be said
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: webcake on August 17, 2009, 04:17:35 AM
Maybe i should just go to your gym Vince and you can show me what to do.....
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Tapeworm on August 17, 2009, 04:19:50 AM
Maybe i should just go to your gym Vince and you can show me what to do.....

Now that's what I call an 'open ended arrangement.'  :-X
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: webcake on August 17, 2009, 04:22:02 AM
Now that's what I call an 'open ended arrangement.'  :-X

It's only gay if you want it to be.......
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince B on August 17, 2009, 04:31:36 AM
Maybe i should just go to your gym Vince and you can show me what to do.....

While everyone is welcome to visit our gym that doesn't mean I have to show them things. Smart guys like Webcke have nothing to learn from me.

Just because you see other guys doing stuff doesn't mean they know what they are doing. If someone is natural and growing rapidly then watch what he is doing and learn.  
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Tapeworm on August 17, 2009, 04:32:25 AM
It's only gay if you want it to be.......

It's only a rant if you ramble on from point to unrelated point without any intention of finding solutions for your complaints.  But that's not Vince's style.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: webcake on August 17, 2009, 04:34:23 AM
While everyone is welcome to visit our gym that doesn't mean I have to show them things. Smart guys like Webcke have nothing to learn from me.

Just because you see other guys doing stuff doesn't mean they know what they are doing. If someone is natural and growing rapidly then watch what he is doing and learn.  

Thanks Vince.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: io856 on August 17, 2009, 04:53:05 AM
whats wrong with rock music? ... and mp3 players for that matter
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: bigmc on August 17, 2009, 11:59:11 AM
vince is a pedo
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 17, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

You haven't been a bodybuilder since the Nixon Administration

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

Because that's what attaches the pulley and the tricep handle


When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

An example of an ineffective and wasteful movement is opening up one of your threads




Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Pilates is a great combination of yoga and aerobics.  I'm sorry if its too advanced for you

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Are you saying that your gym has no treadmills or cardio machines or have they broken down with age and you're writing this as an excuse to your gym members...if any??

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

Perhaps you should study an anatomy chart and answer it for yourself..... ::)

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Times have changed and athletes are bigger and better because of supplementation.  

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

Larry competed in an era where everyone had weak points in the body.  Wouldn't happen today  


The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

You never won a show until you took Dianabol, Mr Canada.

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.

We use MP3 players and IPods now, nobody uses a walkman anymore.  And I'm guessing that you didn't pay the cable bill in your gym which is why you're ranting about the TV's 
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Mr Nobody on August 17, 2009, 01:22:20 PM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.
Great post Vince - There are no tricks building muscle remains the same as it did forever - people need to ct out the BS. By chance did you ever get to Vince Gironda's Gym in CA? Same thing no BS Gym
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: jaejonna on August 17, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
oh brother .... not this shit again
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: johnnynoname on August 17, 2009, 01:27:04 PM


Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.



to the hardcore sect, the "fads" are all bullshit but...
....the "fads" are what are covered in magazines like "Self" and whatever modern women read

modern women want to do that stuff and want to pay a trainer to teach them that stuff

bottom line, clients would rather do exercises that are "cool" than do double drop sets

and in the end- the money is still green (i'm speaking as a trainer)
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: LatsMcGee on August 18, 2009, 03:34:38 AM
Vince Basille knows what boys like.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Bix on August 18, 2009, 05:02:16 AM
Vince is a fuckin WACK JOB!
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Marty Champions on August 18, 2009, 05:04:52 AM
im glad old man vince can still piss off these young queers here
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 18, 2009, 05:06:20 AM
Basile is an absolute retard.

Another post with a lot of words that don't say ANYTHING! It never actually goes anywhere.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: AVBG on August 18, 2009, 05:21:37 AM
Basile is an absolute retard.

Another post with a lot of words that don't say ANYTHING! It never actually goes anywhere.
:)
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Ruffneck on August 18, 2009, 05:23:55 AM
Well that was quite the read!
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Tapeworm on August 18, 2009, 05:39:42 AM
:)


 ;D
...so I went into town with an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time, and...
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: ironneck on August 18, 2009, 05:42:33 AM
i believe in triceps pressdowns
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: kmhphoto on August 18, 2009, 06:56:36 AM
Vince "Kiddie Voyeur" Basille once again offers his knowledge to the masses who have taken the step forward while he remains steadfastly in the past.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: garebear on August 18, 2009, 07:01:16 AM
Treadmills are useless?

OK  ;)
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince B on August 18, 2009, 07:13:55 AM
I don't use the cardio machines and never have. People love them. They don't want big muscles so there you are. They are just fads and expensive ones at that. We pay a fortune in Australia because we have to import them.

I saw another guy using the rope for pressdowns tonight. At the bottom of the movement they go outward. I mean, if you are going to use that thing at least keep the tension all the way down. Just when the triceps is going to contract fully the users take the tension off the triceps. Amazing.

I doubt I can get through to most young fellows because they already think they know everything. I can tell you there is always lots to learn about exercise. Eventually it is possible to eliminate a lot of ineffective and dangerous movements.

Speaking of muscleheads. Some guy broke a handle off a Nautilus crunch machine. How on earth could anyone do that? I replaced them with thicker stainless steel handles and strengthened the area where they attach to the machine. No human being can break the handles now.  
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: jon cole on August 18, 2009, 07:34:12 AM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.


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Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 18, 2009, 08:59:47 AM
I don't use the cardio machines and never have. People love them. They don't want big muscles so there you are. They are just fads and expensive ones at that. We pay a fortune in Australia because we have to import them.

I saw another guy using the rope for pressdowns tonight. At the bottom of the movement they go outward. I mean, if you are going to use that thing at least keep the tension all the way down. Just when the triceps is going to contract fully the users take the tension off the triceps. Amazing.

I doubt I can get through to most young fellows because they already think they know everything. I can tell you there is always lots to learn about exercise. Eventually it is possible to eliminate a lot of ineffective and dangerous movements.

Speaking of muscleheads. Some guy broke a handle off a Nautilus crunch machine. How on earth could anyone do that? I replaced them with thicker stainless steel handles and strengthened the area where they attach to the machine. No human being can break the handles now.  


Which is why you have a large pot belly Vince.  If you don't do any aerobic exercise, then it will be a lot harder for you to burn off the fat.  As far as treadmills being expensive because of imports is silly.  Instead of buying a US brand item, why not a German product such as Kettler for your equipment and save some money.

Honestly, I think you're complaining more about the plights of your gym equipment breaking down rather than anything else...... ::)


Times have changed and its time you did as well.  See my PM I sent you.  BTW, if you look hard enough, you'll find that some fitness equipment is manufacturered in Australia such as this rower pictured below that I sell
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: kyomu on August 18, 2009, 09:14:37 AM
Without running on treadmil, i will end up with being fat for sure since i eat tons of foods..
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Mr Nobody on August 18, 2009, 01:49:48 PM
Without running on treadmil, i will end up with being fat for sure since i eat tons of foods..
Run on the beach in Barcelone
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 18, 2009, 07:09:26 PM
I refuse to take advice from any man that wears a pinky ring on each hand.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: ManBearPig... on August 18, 2009, 07:12:53 PM
Vince you're an old fat fuck, hope this helps.

NO ONE ON THIS PLANET WANTS TO LOOK LIKE YOU.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: keanu on August 18, 2009, 07:45:47 PM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.

THis rant reminds me of another Vince they used to call a nut. Vince Gironda. My mentor.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: garebear on August 19, 2009, 02:14:08 AM
What are effective exercises. What do I need to do to get big?

Lots of calories and no cardio.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: kyomu on August 19, 2009, 03:11:07 AM
Run on the beach in Barcelone
I used to do it.
But, hot as hell and i dont have time to.
Swimming is good too.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: LatsMcGee on August 19, 2009, 03:17:30 AM
Vince Basille loves the smell of anus in the morning.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Mr Nobody on August 19, 2009, 03:21:37 AM
Vince Basille loves the smell of anus in the morning.
LMAO :D
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: nzmusclemonster on August 19, 2009, 03:24:59 AM
didnt vince win mr north-west vancover in 1822?
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Mr Nobody on August 19, 2009, 03:26:43 AM
didnt vince win mr north-west vancover in 1822?
No he got second in that one, he took best the best "jaws" award though.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Meso_z on August 19, 2009, 04:01:21 AM
I don't use the cardio machines and never have. People love them. They don't want big muscles so there you are. They are just fads and expensive ones at that. We pay a fortune in Australia because we have to import them.

I saw another guy using the rope for pressdowns tonight. At the bottom of the movement they go outward. I mean, if you are going to use that thing at least keep the tension all the way down. Just when the triceps is going to contract fully the users take the tension off the triceps. Amazing.

I doubt I can get through to most young fellows because they already think they know everything. I can tell you there is always lots to learn about exercise. Eventually it is possible to eliminate a lot of ineffective and dangerous movements.

Speaking of muscleheads. Some guy broke a handle off a Nautilus crunch machine. How on earth could anyone do that? I replaced them with thicker stainless steel handles and strengthened the area where they attach to the machine. No human being can break the handles now.  

i agree, thats so stupid
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on August 19, 2009, 04:10:39 AM
I don't use the cardio machines and never have. People love them. They don't want big muscles so there you are. They are just fads and expensive ones at that. We pay a fortune in Australia because we have to import them.

I saw another guy using the rope for pressdowns tonight. At the bottom of the movement they go outward. I mean, if you are going to use that thing at least keep the tension all the way down. Just when the triceps is going to contract fully the users take the tension off the triceps. Amazing.

I doubt I can get through to most young fellows because they already think they know everything. I can tell you there is always lots to learn about exercise. Eventually it is possible to eliminate a lot of ineffective and dangerous movements.

Speaking of muscleheads. Some guy broke a handle off a Nautilus crunch machine. How on earth could anyone do that? I replaced them with thicker stainless steel handles and strengthened the area where they attach to the machine. No human being can break the handles now.  
I do agree Vince that younger new guys in the gym think they know everything
We have a new 'ex[pert' who joined our gym in February,has absolutely nothing going for him,despite being on every supplement imaginable,and dbol also
He tried to give me advice on training my quads(by far my best bodypart) last week,like either these guys are dilussional or have downs,I dunno
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Schmoe Buster on August 19, 2009, 04:16:23 AM
I do agree Vince that younger new guys in the gym think they know everything
We have a new 'ex[pert' who joined our gym in February,has absolutely nothing going for him,despite being on every supplement imaginable,and dbol also
He tried to give me advice on training my quads(by far my best bodypart) last week,like either these guys are dilussional or have downs,I dunno

A bit of both i think!

Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: VGalanti on August 19, 2009, 05:56:04 AM
As a gym owner and bodybuilder I am sick of all the silly beliefs and exercises just about every bodybuilder embraces. All that rubbish is like a virus that everyone catches and it is universal.

Why on earth does anyone do triceps pressdowns with a rope? Stop doing this ineffective exercise. The wannabes read the magazines and think they must be effective because some pro is doing them. Triceps pressdowns aren't much better.

When are musclemen going to wake up and stop doing so many ineffective and literally wasteful movements? I suppose it will continue just like false beliefs such as do what works for you. What kind of direction is that? It is empty and meaningless. What wannabes are being told is that the champs and editors have no clue about what others have to do to get larger muscles. They know what they had to do and accept that few people are crazy enough to follow in the chemical trenches.

Please stop following fads. We even had hapless Melvin Goodrum using a Pilates machine. Whatever did Joseph Pilates know about exercise? Not much at all. That is why countless women follow that crap. While we are at it throw out those balls, bands, and other junk.

Let us remove boxercise, aerobics, pump classes, Yoga, and all manner of nonsense from all gyms. The garbage can for the lot. Put those treadmills and all other so called cardio machines there as well or put them in special locations where fat and obese people can use them free of charge.

Why should we hear those theories about attacking a muscle from different angles? As if muscles know what angle you are using!

While we are at it, will you please cease from endorsing supplements. Just because muscles are composed of protein doesn't mean we need 300 grams a day! Mike Mentzer was right about the protein requirement. If you eat a balanced diet you don't need supplements. Period. Stop wasting your money.

Please stop talking about sciences you know absolutely nothing about. No one here is a geneticist so where does all the knowledge about genetics come from? No one can say who has got what genetics. Larry Scott was a narrow bloke when he dreamed of being a Mr somebody. He won Mr Olympia in 1965 and the crowd chanted, "Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry!" long after the contest was over.

The commonly held explanation for large muscles is steroids and other drugs. Those who take these drugs and don't get big conclude that they don't have the genetics. Maybe they never did figure out how to train properly in the first place?

Throw out belts, gloves, straps and headbands. Leave your walkmans in the car or at home. Give the TVs in gyms to poor people. Get rid of all that rock music that gives sensible people headaches.


I do rope all the time, mostly because i been training over 25 years and my elbows hurt -

most exercises branch off from the basic ones only out of being bored from doing the same shit over and over.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: YoungBlood on August 19, 2009, 06:00:54 AM

Since you are quite the genius, Vince (/laughing), why not offer up some more exercises in which you feel are worthless?
Name 2-3 others you feel are, in your opinion, shitty exercises and tell us why you feel that way.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: VGalanti on August 19, 2009, 06:02:19 AM
I don't use the cardio machines and never have. People love them. They don't want big muscles so there you are. They are just fads and expensive ones at that. We pay a fortune in Australia because we have to import them.

I saw another guy using the rope for pressdowns tonight. At the bottom of the movement they go outward. I mean, if you are going to use that thing at least keep the tension all the way down. Just when the triceps is going to contract fully the users take the tension off the triceps. Amazing.

I doubt I can get through to most young fellows because they already think they know everything. I can tell you there is always lots to learn about exercise. Eventually it is possible to eliminate a lot of ineffective and dangerous movements.

Speaking of muscleheads. Some guy broke a handle off a Nautilus crunch machine. How on earth could anyone do that? I replaced them with thicker stainless steel handles and strengthened the area where they attach to the machine. No human being can break the handles now.  


i have trained for contest without cardio, and with....with cardio, hands down you get in better shape.

im not a young guy that knows it all.....at 42 i have seen it all.

pilates yoga and what ever else is out there.....bands balls and other stuff like kettle bells....i say awesome that if a person is not into the weights and does some kind of exercise...more power to them.

Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: The Wizard of Truth on August 19, 2009, 06:05:32 AM

i have trained for contest without cardio, and with....with cardio, hands down you get in better shape.

im not a young guy that knows it all.....at 42 i have seen it all.

pilates yoga and what ever else is out there.....bands balls and other stuff like kettle bells....i say awesome that if a person is not into the weights and does some kind of exercise...more power to them.


Well Vinny the debate,among amateurs like myself anyway,is that lots of cardio means you can eat more on your diet yet lots of cardio can flatten some people out and eat into leg muscle

I guess its trial and error
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 19, 2009, 06:46:58 AM

i have trained for contest without cardio, and with....with cardio, hands down you get in better shape.

im not a young guy that knows it all.....at 42 i have seen it all.

pilates yoga and what ever else is out there.....bands balls and other stuff like kettle bells....i say awesome that if a person is not into the weights and does some kind of exercise...more power to them.


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Agreed, not everyone is looking to become a bodybuilder and some people who aspire to do ballet or dance needs a different exercise approach than a bodybuilder. 

Overall, even if someone is a bodybuilder , they can improve their presentation and flexability through Pilates and Yoga. 
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: garebear on August 19, 2009, 06:48:51 AM
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Agreed, not everyone is looking to become a bodybuilder and some people who aspire to do ballet or dance needs a different exercise approach than a bodybuilder. 

Overall, even if someone is a bodybuilder , they can improve their presentation and flexability through Pilates and Yoga. 

Vince, what have you done to the Earth?

Vince, what have you done to our fair sister?
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 19, 2009, 06:53:02 AM
Vince, what have you done to the Earth?

Vince, what have you done to our fair sister?


What are you talking about???
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: garebear on August 19, 2009, 07:06:49 AM

What are you talking about???

You ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her.

Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn, Vince.

I got it on tape.
Title: Re: Open letter to pros, editors, wannabes and everyone else who lifts weights.
Post by: challenge on August 19, 2009, 07:13:38 AM
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