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The ACLU has a problem with this. Why am I not surprised? ::)
Council Considers BO Ban
Convicted Offender Could Face $500 In Fines
HONOLULU -- Honolulu City Council members are considering a proposal to ban riders from buses if their body odor is too stinky.
Councilman Rod Tam and Councilman Nestor Garcia introduced the bill to regulate a number of dangerous or annoying behaviors on city buses including bad B.O.
Under the bill, police could cite riders if their body odor annoyed others and a convicted offender could face up to $500 in fines or six months in prison.
"I think it is a bit discriminatory to people but being a bus rider myself I think it would be helpful because some people do have really bad body odor," said rider Meghan Tabadero.
The ACLU of Hawaii called the bill vague and open to discriminatory enforcement.
Other critics called the B.O. ban heavy handed.
"It is not a very compassionate thing to do. People can move away," said rider Tracy Mathewson.
"I don't think it is fair to kick someone off who may be homeless and may not be able to bathe. They may not have a place to bathe," said rider Dwight Ovitt.
Supporters said the goal is to clarify passenger behavior with Oahu's new transit system coming on line.
Tam said he's received complaints about bus B.O.
"People are very concerned they don't want to get sick when they experience body odor... offensive body odor they identify it with germs, diseases," said Tam.
Veteran bus driver Thom Robinson says smelly riders can make it difficult to drive.
"It's horrible -- sometimes you have to get up and open up the vents, and it's just obnoxious," said veteran bus driver Thom Robinson.
Supporters of the bus behavior bill said it also includes and consolidates a lot of other useful prohibitions already on the books such as forbidding spitting on buses, being drunk on a bus or urinating when you are on a bus or at a bus stop.
The city transportation services department supports the bill pending legal review saying much of it is already law.
On 9 a.m. Thursday morning, the council's Transportation Committee will hold a hearing on the bill that includes the provision to ban stinky bus riders.
http://www.kitv.com/news/20679481/detail.html
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dude.... i don't like it either but are you fucking serious? you know some people can't help it even if they shower all day long. fucked up to get fined for a genetic condition. lol, people on buses with their nose up in the air. you guys just passed everyone on elitist attitude.
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dude.... i don't like it either but are you fucking serious? you know some people can't help it even if they shower all day long. fucked up to get fined for a genetic condition. lol, people on buses with their nose up in the air. you guys just passed everyone on elitist attitude.
Oh please. Do you ride the bus? I seriously doubt ANY of the stinky people I have encounted on the bus have a genetic condition that makes them stink. They were all just dirty. I have no problem at all with this ban. I hope it passes.
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I would have a problem with it. It's over regulation. What are they going to do have odor police who ride the bus?
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Oh please. Do you ride the bus? I seriously doubt ANY of the stinky people I have encounted on the bus have a genetic condition that makes them stink. They were all just dirty. I have no problem at all with this ban. I hope it passes.
You should go on the mugger mover on a hot day in NYC and smell that aroma!
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I would have a problem with it. It's over regulation. What are they going to do have odor police who ride the bus?
:)
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Oh please. Do you ride the bus? I seriously doubt ANY of the stinky people I have encounted on the bus have a genetic condition that makes them stink. They were all just dirty. I have no problem at all with this ban. I hope it passes.
no i don't ride the bus. i hate the bus, it's full of stinky people ;D They're usually riding the bus because they can't afford any other way to get from spot a to b. this is still dumb as fuck and shows how elitist you are.
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You should go on the mugger mover on a hot day in NYC and smell that aroma!
No thanks. lol.
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no i don't ride the bus. i hate the bus, it's full of stinky people ;D They're usually riding the bus because they can't afford any other way to get from spot a to b. this is still dumb as fuck and shows how elitist you are.
No one is saying stinky people can't ride the bus. They're saying take a dang shower first! :) Yes, I am the elitist who wants to ensure people can ride the bus without sitting next to a guy who smells like a sewer. How very snobbish of me. lol . . . .
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I would have a problem with it. It's over regulation. What are they going to do have odor police who ride the bus?
no kidding, this is so stupid, only someone from hawaii could have come up with it.
The Stink Police.
Sir, we're going to have to write you a ticket for BO.
It's not me, it's that dude over there!
Sir, please raise your arms so my parter can sniff your pits.
Fuck you Jay, why do I have to always sniff the pits, it's your turn today.
::)
sounds like a scene from Men at Work.
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Geeze,how in the hell are the Mexicans and blacks going to get to work?
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Geeze,how in the hell are the Mexicans and blacks going to get to work?
Billy - I was in Flushing Queens a few weeks ago. Its all Chinese. The stench was unbearable as they leave food and crap all over the place in the street. It was horrible.
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Geeze,how in the hell are the Mexicans and blacks going to get to work?
You've obviously never been to Hawaii. :)
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Billy - I was in Flushing Queens a few weeks ago. Its all Chinese. The stench was unbearable as they leave food and crap all over the place in the street. It was horrible.
No,seriously,whats omne persons stench is another persons good smell.I smell girls with awful perfume on,it stinks to me,it smells good to them.
Here is a fact.Ever eat a skanky girls snatch?While your doing it you could care less about the smell.Once you finnish,you cant get that stink out of your mattress fast enough.I especially like it when,three days later,you can still smell it on your fingers and upper lip.Like I said,when you were doing it,it added to the act,after its over you want to puke.
One mans stink is another mans turn on.
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wow...
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wow...
Damn Billy, Just Damn.
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No,seriously,whats omne persons stench is another persons good smell.I smell girls with awful perfume on,it stinks to me,it smells good to them.
Here is a fact.Ever eat a skanky girls snatch?While your doing it you could care less about the smell.Once you finnish,you cant get that stink out of your mattress fast enough.I especially like it when,three days later,you can still smell it on your fingers and upper lip.Like I said,when you were doing it,it added to the act,after its over you want to puke.
One mans stink is another mans turn on.
hahaha!!!! totally Marv.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marv
no, i've never went down on a skank. lol...
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No,seriously,whats omne persons stench is another persons good smell.I smell girls with awful perfume on,it stinks to me,it smells good to them.
Here is a fact.Ever eat a skanky girls snatch?While your doing it you could care less about the smell.Once you finnish,you cant get that stink out of your mattress fast enough.I especially like it when,three days later,you can still smell it on your fingers and upper lip.Like I said,when you were doing it,it added to the act,after its over you want to puke.
One mans stink is another mans turn on.
Every day, I understand you less Billy.
However, I look fwd to your posts in a major way!
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I can't stop laughing, this is killing me, it's killing me! I've read that post like 10 times now.
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I can't stop laughing, this is killing me, it's killing me! I've read that post like 10 times now.
You know I like billy's posts more than most and agree with him on probably 95% of things, but that post was just a little much even for me. :o :o :o
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You know I like billy's posts more than most and agree with him on probably 95% of things, but that post was just a little much even for me. :o :o :o
I think I'm inclined to agree with 240 on this.
That post is legendary, pure gold, I wouldn't trade that 10 minutes of bust gusting laughter for anything.
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Dam Billy dam!
Billy isn't afraid to say what every guy at one point has thought.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Maybe they should have a special section in the on the bus for stinking people, separated with a see through vinyl curtain, you know, like in the back of the bus. :o
This really is stupid.
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Dam Billy dam!
Billy isn't afraid to say what every guy at one point has thought.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't know what you guys have been diving into but I love the smell of pussy. before, during, after and the next day.
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I don't know what you guys have been diving into but I love the smell of pussy. before, during, after and the next day.
Ha ha. Great one Hugo.
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Maybe they should have a special section in the on the bus for stinking people, separated with a see through vinyl curtain, you know, like in the back of the bus. :o
This really is stupid.
and then they move on to other offensive things after this. fat bastards, messy hair, bad breath etc...
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sir, we're going to have to ticket you. It appears you ate Italian and that garlic breath is in violation of city council arrogance.
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If they pass this, they should work on elevators next.
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u sound like one of them there big government types :D
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And then they should target people who fart on the bus or other public places and don't take credit for it. >:(
Honolulu vote on banning smelly people on public transit delayed
Advertiser Staff
HONOLULU — One of the authors of a Honolulu City Council proposal that would bar people with offensive odors from public transit vehicles says a vote on it is being delayed.
The proposed ordinance would make it illegal to have "odors that unreasonably disturb others or interfere with their use of the transit system."
Councilman Nestor Garcia said Wednesday the proposal has some technical problems that need to be addressed.
One of those is language that would allow city police to charge a violator with criminal trespass. Garcia said only the state Legislature can pass criminal statutes.
He said testimony will be heard at the council's Transportation Committee hearing on Thursday at City Hall. But he said a vote will be rescheduled for a future date.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090903/BREAKING01/309030024/Honolulu+vote+on+banning+smelly+people+on+public+transit+delayed
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If its a good sounding and smelling fart..... they should get paid for it.
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lol. I'm talking about the silent but deadly stinky farts people let loose in public.
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This stinks.
Posted on: Friday, September 4, 2009
Honolulu City Council moves to kill conduct bill
By Gordon Y.K. Pang
Advertiser Staff Writer
A City Council committee yesterday snuffed out a bill that would have regulated bad odors and other behavior on city transit vehicles and facilities.
The proposed transit passenger code of conduct bill attracted interest from media outlets globally largely because it attempts to impose regulations on smell. And while the bill does get into many other concerns from the use of electronic music devices to farebox jumping, much of yesterday's discussion was focused on the odor ban.
According to the bill, passengers would not be able to bring "onto transit property odors that unreasonably disturb others or interfere with their use of the transit system, whether such odors arise from one's person, clothes, articles, accompanying animal or any other source."
Committee members said they deferred Bill 59-09 yesterday with the intent of killing it.
Councilman Nestor Garcia, a co-introducer of the bill, said that at some point he'd like to introduce another bill that would address passenger conduct, but made it clear that following yesterday's discussion regulating odors would not be included.
Representatives from the Honolulu Police Department, the Honolulu prosecutor's office and the city corporation counsel's office all voiced concerns with the bill.
HPD Maj. William Chur said police support the concept and intent of the legislation but are bothered that "the bill would make criminal offenses out of certain prohibitive activities that up until now have not been criminal in nature."
Such prohibitions, now subject to citation, would include eating, listening to music without headphones and drinking alcoholic beverages.
"Up until now, those haven't been criminal sanctions, but it may have been cause for a person being asked to leave TheBus," Chur said. "But under this proposal, these activities would in fact be criminal activities."
Chur said the department is also worried about enforceability of the odor prohibition.
"We think that is going to be very difficult to enforce," he said. "The question of odors is a question that is somewhat subjective."
"Too subjective," said Transportation Committee Chairman Gary Okino, who wound up recommending that the bill be deferred.
Chur added: "We're not aware of any other offenses where odors, unless they're clearly identified as nauseous or noxious, are subject to criminal sanctions."
BILL CONCERNS
Deputy Prosecutor Lori Nishimura said her office views the odor prohibition problematic, made worse because the bill calls for it to be a criminal offense.
"If the (proposed) statute basically leaves it to the arbitrary discretion of each police officer to decide if somebody is too smelly to get on the bus or is OK, I think you're going to have those challenges," Nishimura said.
Nishimura also echoed Chur's concerns about upping the existing violations to criminal offenses. The violations would become either petty misdemeanors with 10 days jail, or full misdemeanors with up to six months in jail. The latter would allow for defendants to have jury trials, she said.
About half a dozen passengers testified on the bill — split nearly evenly among those who supported it and those opposed.
Nu'uanu resident Robert Asam said he supports the bill, pointing out that he's seen people spit on the bus. At least some are "not from here," he said, adding that he tells them " 'You have to respect where you are. You're in our home.' "
"You can't be worried about the civil rights of one when the rights of all the rest of us are being infringed upon," Asam said. "What makes that person so special?"
Besides a fine, Asam said someone found in violation could go through "some sort of retraining or something."
But Kane'ohe resident and bus rider Irma O'Toole called the code of conduct absurd.
O'Toole said she's worried that if a complaint is made during a bus ride, a bus could be hung up for half an hour or more waiting for a police officer to arrive at the scene.
"Some of these things are ridiculous," she said. "If you don't like the smell, there is a cord that you can pull, and you get off the bus."
O'Toole said she's exposed to a number of smells from ethnic foods picked up by elderly passengers getting on TheBus in Chinatown. "You can appreciate another person's culture or belief because the human smells are not that bad, they're human."
NOT A CHOICE
Dan Gluck, senior staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, said his office has already been contacted by people with metabolic disorders which cause them to have a body odor. "It's not hygienic, it can be from a disease," Gluck said.
Councilman Rod Tam said he drew criticism for co-introducing and defending the bill, pointing out that the odor provision was modeled after a passenger code of conduct that is in place in King County, Wash.
Local riders have asked for a code of conduct "to ensure the safety, security, comfort and convenience of public transit users," Tam said.
"I'm getting constant complaints about people not using bus stops for catching the bus but ... for camping, sleeping, whatever you want to call it. So people are afraid to go there."
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090904/NEWS03/909040372/Honolulu+City+Council+moves+to+kill+conduct+bill
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lol
Imagine a police officer getting a call to cite a bus passenger for being stinky.
And then if you have a metabolic disorder for body order you show them your stinky get out of jail free card.
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;D
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I have an avatar for you BB.
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Nah. I like this one better:
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would he get a fine :D
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No, but these two would: :D
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