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then side Dexter Jackson and Dennis Wolf!
Boom! Who will be in the first callout?
Vic won't make the first callout.
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shit if vic brings it he wins
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Vic can't make the top 5 with those wheels...
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How many are in a call out? 3 or 4?
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I'd like to see wolf and ruhl standing side by side
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I'd like to see wolf and ruhl standing side by side
Battle of the Aryan giants. Imagine if Gunter came out of Retirement. :o
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How many are in a call out? 3 or 4?
5
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5
Well i agree with you then, i don't think Vic will be in the 1st callout.
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wiggs i like u bro, but there is no way that vic isnt making the 1st callout.
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I agree with Wiggs actually
top 5
kai, jay, phil, dexter and Vic 5th this year
Vic won't be top 3, in fact if he is a bit smooth he might drop to 6-7 I am pretty sure of that
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wiggs i like u bro, but there is no way that vic isnt making the 1st callout.
Who will he pushout out?
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Who will he pushout out?
i dont see wolfe placing ahead of him......
Dex, Kai, Phil, Victor, Jay... cant see anyone else in the top 5
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I hope to see from Victor what disappoint most of you. :-\
Victor for the Top 3 ;)
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DEX will be in 1st callout,reigning mr o.
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Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241
X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....
Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year
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Cutler hasn't belonged in the first callout the past two years
you guys have a lot of faith in him staying away from the cookies and potato chips the night before prejudging
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shit if vic brings it he wins
If Heath brings it, he can win.
If Kai brings it, he can win.
If Kenny Jones brings it, he can win.
If they all bring it, do they all win?
If they all bring it, Vic still loses out on 1st, since Heath will destroy Vic, and Kai places ahead of him too.
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if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai
last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.
As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics?
If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.
Wolfe still has flaws..
The lowest I can see Vic is 4th. If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).
If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins. His only flaw is conditioning and his leg. Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest. Dexter is too small for Victor.
I got:
Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)
If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.
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Kai wasn't even 100% at the Arnold. He will be in better condition with inprovements to chest and shoulders.
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Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241
X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....
Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year
Aren't you forgetting about Cutler? At what, 5"9 260, He was the biggest, fullest competitor at last year's night show, and if he duplicates that form this year he will win. I am not sure why everyone has written him off on here.
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if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai
last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.
As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics?
If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.
Wolfe still has flaws..
The lowest I can see Vic is 4th. If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).
If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins. His only flaw is conditioning and his leg. Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest. Dexter is too small for Victor.
I got:
Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)
If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.
If I step out of the house 20x a day, I risk getting hit by a car at least as many times. However, those are big "if's." Doesn't mean I will be hit, as much as some my want that to happen.
There's a huge difference between risk and rate. You have six "if's" in your post, and if even one of them happens, your boy is out!
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if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai
last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.
As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics?
If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.
Wolfe still has flaws..
The lowest I can see Vic is 4th. If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).
If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins. His only flaw is conditioning and his leg. Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest. Dexter is too small for Victor.
I got:
Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)
If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.
arnold is different show. only jay and dex will be placed ahead of phil. i dont see any of this. if kai is better than phil...dex gets returning champ or jay if he is better than dex. they put phil 3rd again. only means phil needs to grow some more. phil is too good for ami to pass on as mr o for the next 5-6 yrs. too good!
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If I step out of the house 20x a day, I risk getting hit by a car at least as many times. However, those are big "if's." Doesn't mean I will be hit, as much as some my want that to happen.
There's a huge difference between risk and rate. You have six "if's" in your post, and if even one of them happens, your boy is out!
Bodybuilding is all about ifs because you never know whats gonna happen till the day of the show. Theyre too many variables present.
My point being, if Victor brings 100%, he wins.
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Bodybuilding is all about ifs because you never know whats gonna happen till the day of the show. Theyre too many variables present.
My point being, if Victor brings 100%, he wins.
Too many variables also applies to your boy Vic in that he hasn't been given proper placing since he actually showed up in shape to win the NOC. That condition he got into deserved to win the show!
Just like any other contest, politics can be a heavy influence for one reason or another.
When just looking at bodies and pose for pose, conditioning and what a BBing REALLY IS ABOUT, then Vic will not win the contest as you say he will.
"IF Vic brings 100% he wins," is like saying "IF Phil suddenly changes his genetics and comes in a foot wider he wins." Or "If Dennis brings up his calves/lats..." or Dexter puts on (a legit) 20lbs....
...look into the past of the sport and aside from Dorian '93, Ronnie '03, and a maybe 2-3 more examples, how often does anyone make incredible leaps from year to year?! Not many if at all.
Like Bob C said in one of the FitShow "War For The Worlds" episodes..."Someone has been working out 20yrs, and the judges tell them 'if you bring up your quads you can win the whole thing' but you think in those 20yrs someone has not been working their quads out hard?
If Vic....If Phil...if Kai....
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are you saying Vic doesnt come in shape? He was off at the Arnold, but it wasnt like he was completely off. And he was in great shape at the previous 2 Olympias and Arnold he won. So the guy has an off outing after an injury, so what? It really isnt that far fetched to say if Victor comes in shape, because, he HAS been in great shape.
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How many are in a call out? 3 or 4?
3 by default, but when it's close between some of the competitors, 4 or even 5 of them get called out.
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It really isnt that far fetched to say if Victor comes in shape, because, he HAS been in great shape.
So was Cutler in 2001, but the last two years, and he was awarded 1st place in one of them.
Because someone has come in great shape doesn't mean he will. And just because he did so in the past doesn't mean they should award him 1st because that was in the past!
Vic's time is done and over. He had his shot and screwed it up. Lets see, he closed his gym after selling memberships right up till the day it closed. He was busted for dealing and then rolled on people. He's shot synthol into his arms and calves over the years having them lump out and leaving him looking odd in poses. His leg is injured (I don't believe how he says it happened) and then his sister goes missing under what could be extremely suspicious circumstances, while now he is opening a restaurant and prepping for the O.
Let's say that he actually does everything correct-which I doubt he will- and comes in 105%. And all the other competitors do as well. Would you want Vic representing BBing? You can't understand him when he speaks, he has the energy of a sloth, and comes across as educated as a ghetto teenager.
Couple all those together with Vic's past issues getting into shape, he won't come in first, and I'm thinking top 5 will be hard for him to break even.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Maybe I will be right though.
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when it's said and done...phil will be able to buy a couple of franchises and all the insulin he wants. O 09 or 10 is a no-brainer.
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Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241
X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....
Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year
adipo, who is toney workin w/for the olympia? because i just saw a post of palumbos on rx muscle, and he said toney hasnt talked to him in six weeks.....
if toney wants to place well he's gotta work with dave, everytime he hasnt in the past few years hes looked horrible.
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adipo, who is toney workin w/for the olympia? because i just saw a post of palumbos on rx muscle, and he said toney hasnt talked to him in six weeks.....
if toney wants to place well he's gotta work with dave, everytime he hasnt in the past few years hes looked horrible.
Horrible? When in 07? When he was sick ? Still speaking about it ?
He has competed 12 times since then and your the only person to say X looks Horrible.
o wait i have some pics of him looking horrible !
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Horrible? When in 07? When he was sick ? Still speaking about it ?
He has competed 12 times since then and your the only person to say X looks Horrible.
o wait i have some pics of him looking horrible !
well he didnt look horrible thats an exaggeration, much like u exaggerate in every post about toney's physique.
but he did win 4 pro shows in the last two years and place 5th at the O working with palumbo. then workin on his own, he placed 14th at the 07' olympia, 8th at the ironman ( a second rate show ) and 7th at the arnold a few weeks later.
his track record with dave is much much better, now i dont know whats goin on between them two, but for toney to be at his best, he needs to do whatever dave does for him.
he did look a bit flat at this yrs arnold, but that can easily be fixed, but he prolly needs palumbos help to do it...
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Vic's time is done and over. He had his shot and screwed it up. Lets see, he closed his gym after selling memberships right up till the day it closed. He was busted for dealing and then rolled on people. He's shot synthol into his arms and calves over the years having them lump out and leaving him looking odd in poses. His leg is injured (I don't believe how he says it happened) and then his sister goes missing under what could be extremely suspicious circumstances, while now he is opening a restaurant and prepping for the O.
Let's say that he actually does everything correct-which I doubt he will- and comes in 105%. And all the other competitors do as well. Would you want Vic representing BBing? You can't understand him when he speaks, he has the energy of a sloth, and comes across as educated as a ghetto teenager.
Couple all those together with Vic's past issues getting into shape, he won't come in first, and I'm thinking top 5 will be hard for him to break even.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Maybe I will be right though.
nice post!... couldnt agree with you more!
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So was Cutler in 2001, but the last two years, and he was awarded 1st place in one of them.
Because someone has come in great shape doesn't mean he will. And just because he did so in the past doesn't mean they should award him 1st because that was in the past!
Vic's time is done and over. He had his shot and screwed it up. Lets see, he closed his gym after selling memberships right up till the day it closed. He was busted for dealing and then rolled on people. He's shot synthol into his arms and calves over the years having them lump out and leaving him looking odd in poses. His leg is injured (I don't believe how he says it happened) and then his sister goes missing under what could be extremely suspicious circumstances, while now he is opening a restaurant and prepping for the O.
Let's say that he actually does everything correct-which I doubt he will- and comes in 105%. And all the other competitors do as well. Would you want Vic representing BBing? You can't understand him when he speaks, he has the energy of a sloth, and comes across as educated as a ghetto teenager.
Couple all those together with Vic's past issues getting into shape, he won't come in first, and I'm thinking top 5 will be hard for him to break even.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Maybe I will be right though.
Have you not heard what happened to his sister? Ignorant comment.
I would be just as fine with Vic representing the sport as I would with anyone else. Everyone makes mistakes, he is no different than anyone else. I dont know the circumstances surronding his gym, but just because it goes under doesnt mean im gonna hold it against him. As far as illegal drugs (steroids), all Olympia competitors are guilty in one respect or another, he just got caught. His sister was murdered BTW in a horrific way. I've heard him speak and he sounds just fine. It seems you must have something against him personally cause you're reaching way out on a limb.
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focus, guys
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Aren't you forgetting about Cutler? At what, 5"9 260, He was the biggest, fullest competitor at last year's night show, and if he duplicates that form this year he will win. I am not sure why everyone has written him off on here.
Are you forgetting Cutler is the only super heavy to lose to the light heavy more than once
Willie Stallings
Dexter Jackson
So he is a non factor - He is a Icon .. but his Battle is his own.
X was bigger than him last year and even Bigger this years and Phil was Bigger than Phil
So.....Shhhhhhh
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It seems you must have something against him personally cause you're reaching way out on a limb.
It seems? You would be more apt in saying 'I do.'
Vic is a douchebag straight up! And as much as I feel that many of the people in the BBing game wouldn't be the best representative, Vic would be worse for the sport than choosing "a lesser evil" like Kai...while Kai has fucked a grapefruit here and there, posed in a highly gay routine and such...the circumstances are not nearly as shady.
About his sister, you're confusing my statement as that I have something against his sister. Not true in the least. If I think Vic had some indirect involvement, yes I think I do. That's nothing to do with his late sister, which I would never wish to see harm on her...only someone that puts themselves in that position and I don't think she was that person.
And for what it's worth....Hi Vic! ::)
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And for what it's worth....Hi Vic! ::)
first off, youre reaching...
secondly, you must know him personally by the way you're coming at him.
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secondly, you must know him personally by the way you're coming at him.
Don't know him. He lives on the opposite coast that I do.
Some people just have a personality that shines through in print and through the reports on MDTV and the like. Vic, for me, is one such lucky fellow. King Kamali is another.
There are many. At one time, Vic was the heir apparent a la Flex to the Olympia throne. Even Ronnie said it (also contradicted himself minutes later!) and at the time I believed it. No longer do I though for aforementioned reasons.
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Are you forgetting Cutler is the only super heavy to lose to the light heavy more than once
Willie Stallings
Dexter Jackson
So he is a non factor - He is a Icon .. but his Battle is his own.
X was bigger than him last year and even Bigger this years and Phil was Bigger than Phil
So.....Shhhhhhh
I like Toney (minus the stipper routine) and hope he brings it this year; afterall, he competes at one of the highest weights and has the smallest waists.
However, to claim that Cutler is a non-factor is absurd. Did you forget that we won in 06? 07 he missed it, but he was by far the best at last year's night show -- if he duplicates that form, Kai is the only person with a shot. So I am just not sure how you can say he is a non-factor. How is a guy who has won 2 of the past 3 Mr.Os a non-factor? It seems like he is the biggest factor in the show becuase if he nails his conditioning, he most likely wins.
In addition, isn't Toney a super heavy who has lost to more light heavys than Jay??
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well he didnt look horrible thats an exaggeration, much like u exaggerate in every post about toney's physique.
but he did win 4 pro shows in the last two years and place 5th at the O working with palumbo. then workin on his own, he placed 14th at the 07' olympia, 8th at the ironman ( a second rate show ) and 7th at the arnold a few weeks later.
his track record with dave is much much better, now i dont know whats goin on between them two, but for toney to be at his best, he needs to do whatever dave does for him.
he did look a bit flat at this yrs arnold, but that can easily be fixed, but he prolly needs palumbos help to do it...
Really - Well I will let him know you said so .... Oh and the Arnold this year he was Flat- we will have to see how Dave fits into the equation since he was helping him - all interesting analysis - not sure if computes 100%.
He has more of inside on Kai then anyone since competing 3x against him.
X will be a Problem this year and it doesn't matter who the GURU is! That's my analysis
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Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241
X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....
Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year
"XMan" is not relevant, as he has no chance of placing in the top 6. Great bodybuilder, but the judges don't like his physique enough to place him that high.
Top 6 (in no particular order)
Kai Greene
Dexter Jackson
Jay Cutler
Phil Heath
Victor Martinez
Dennis Wolf
If I were a betting man, I'd put my money on Kai Greene to be your next Mr. Olympia. He will match Dex in conditioning and dwarf him in size.
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as stated above, Toney needs Palumbo - the record speaks for itself
top 5 will be a gift for Jay