Olympia: In the center Kai Greene, on one side Jay Cutler and Phil Heath

[Wiggs]

then side Dexter Jackson and Dennis Wolf!

Boom!  Who will be in the first callout?

Vic won't make the first callout.

[Neptune100]

shit if vic brings it he wins

[TechnoViking]

Vic can't make the top 5 with those wheels...

[webcake]

How many are in a call out? 3 or 4?

[TRIX]

I'd like to see wolf and ruhl standing side by side

[webcake]

I'd like to see wolf and ruhl standing side by side

Battle of the Aryan giants. Imagine if Gunter came out of Retirement. 

[Wiggs]

How many are in a call out? 3 or 4?

5

[webcake]

5

Well i agree with you then, i don't think Vic will be in the 1st callout.

[flexingtonsteele]

wiggs i like u bro, but there is no way that vic isnt making the 1st callout.

[Stavios]

I agree with Wiggs actually

top 5

kai, jay, phil, dexter and Vic 5th this year

Vic won't be top 3, in fact if he is a bit smooth he might drop to 6-7 I am pretty sure of that

[Wiggs]

wiggs i like u bro, but there is no way that vic isnt making the 1st callout.

Who will he pushout out? 

[flexingtonsteele]

Who will he pushout out? 

i dont see wolfe placing ahead of him......

Dex, Kai, Phil, Victor, Jay... cant see anyone else in the top 5

[alnassak]

I hope to see from Victor what disappoint most of you. 

Victor for the Top 3 

[njflex]

DEX will be in 1st callout,reigning mr o.

[adipo8]

Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241

X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....

Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year

[tendonitis]

Cutler hasn't belonged in the first callout the past two years
you guys have a lot of faith in him staying away from the cookies and potato chips the night before prejudging

[YoungBlood]

shit if vic brings it he wins

If Heath brings it, he can win.
If Kai brings it, he can win.
If Kenny Jones brings it, he can win.

If they all bring it, do they all win?

If they all bring it, Vic still loses out on 1st, since Heath will destroy Vic, and Kai places ahead of him too.

[Neptune100]

if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai

last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.

As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics? 

If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.

Wolfe still has flaws..

The lowest I can see Vic is 4th.  If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).

If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins.  His only flaw is conditioning and his leg.  Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest.  Dexter is too small for Victor.

I got:

Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)

If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.

[Wiggs]

Kai wasn't even 100% at the Arnold.  He will be in better condition with inprovements to chest and shoulders.

[Royal Lion]

Xman 297 6'2
Kai 5'8 1/2 268
Phil 5'9 242
Dex 5'6 232
Vic 5'7 241

X and Kai will dominate phil in size. and Dex will be lost between Vic and Phil....

Biggest , Fullest Man wins this Year

Aren't you forgetting about Cutler?  At what, 5"9 260,  He was the biggest, fullest competitor at last year's night show, and if he duplicates that form this year he will win.  I am not sure why everyone has written him off on here.

[YoungBlood]

if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai

last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.

As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics? 

If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.

Wolfe still has flaws..

The lowest I can see Vic is 4th.  If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).

If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins.  His only flaw is conditioning and his leg.  Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest.  Dexter is too small for Victor.

I got:

Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)

If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.

If I step out of the house 20x a day, I risk getting hit by a car at least as many times. However, those are big "if's." Doesn't mean I will be hit, as much as some my want that to happen.

There's a huge difference between risk and rate. You have six "if's" in your post, and if even one of them happens, your boy is out!

[divcom]

if Vic brings his leg up a little and comes a little sharper to the O, he beats Kai

last time I checked, Victor dethroned a 2 time reigning Arnold Classic Dexter Jackson and placed ahead of Dexter at the last 2 Olympias they did together. Vic owns Dex.

As far as Heath is concerned, Victor beat him when they met but Phil has changed alot. Is his back as good as Vics? 

If Cutler looks the same as last year Vic beats him. I dont see Cutler improving enough.

Wolfe still has flaws..

The lowest I can see Vic is 4th.  If Kai comes in better than the Arnold (which could be quite possible), Phil has a better back and Dexter somehow beats Vic(which he hasnt done in their last several meetings).

If Vic brings 100% and improves his leg a little, he wins.  His only flaw is conditioning and his leg.  Kai's symmetry and shape or somewhat off and Phil is too narrow with a weak chest.  Dexter is too small for Victor.

I got:

Vic, Kai or Phil taking first (obviously)

If they all come in 100% its gonna be Victor or Kai but theyll probably get screwed anyways.

arnold is different show.  only jay and dex will be placed ahead of phil.  i dont see any of this.  if kai is better than phil...dex gets returning champ or jay if he is better than dex.   they put phil 3rd again.  only means phil needs to grow some more.  phil is too good for ami to pass on as mr o for the next 5-6 yrs. too good!

[Neptune100]

If I step out of the house 20x a day, I risk getting hit by a car at least as many times. However, those are big "if's." Doesn't mean I will be hit, as much as some my want that to happen.

There's a huge difference between risk and rate. You have six "if's" in your post, and if even one of them happens, your boy is out!

Bodybuilding is all about ifs because you never know whats gonna happen till the day of the show. Theyre too many variables present.

My point being, if Victor brings 100%, he wins.

[YoungBlood]

Bodybuilding is all about ifs because you never know whats gonna happen till the day of the show. Theyre too many variables present.

My point being, if Victor brings 100%, he wins.

Too many variables also applies to your boy Vic in that he hasn't been given proper placing since he actually showed up in shape to win the NOC. That condition he got into deserved to win the show!
Just like any other contest, politics can be a heavy influence for one reason or another.
When just looking at bodies and pose for pose, conditioning and what a BBing REALLY IS ABOUT, then Vic will not win the contest as you say he will.
"IF Vic brings 100% he wins," is like saying "IF Phil suddenly changes his genetics and comes in a foot wider he wins." Or "If Dennis brings up his calves/lats..." or Dexter puts on (a legit) 20lbs....

...look into the past of the sport and aside from Dorian '93, Ronnie '03, and a maybe 2-3 more examples, how often does anyone make incredible leaps from year to year?! Not many if at all.
Like Bob C said in one of the FitShow "War For The Worlds" episodes..."Someone has been working out 20yrs, and the judges tell them 'if you bring up your quads you can win the whole thing' but you think in those 20yrs someone has not been working their quads out hard?

If Vic....If Phil...if Kai....

[Neptune100]

are you saying Vic doesnt come in shape? He was off at the Arnold, but it wasnt like he was completely off.  And he was in great shape at the previous 2 Olympias and Arnold he won.  So the guy has an off outing after an injury, so what?  It really isnt that far fetched to say if Victor comes in shape, because, he HAS been in great shape.