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Why is this? They say that they drop all *supplements*: protein shakes and whatever junk that they take etc, a week out. Why?
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Do they ? ???
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Do they ? ???
Yes, they say on many an interview, and mouthed by their trainers.
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"water retention"
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"water retention"
So why does an isolate shake give so much water retention, yet a chicken breast don't?
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Yes, they say on many an interview, and mouthed by their trainers.
Alot of these guys , not all but alot are like dodgy used car salesmen , I wouldnt beleive anything they say :D
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Why is this? They say that they drop all *supplements*: protein shakes and whatever junk that they take etc, a week out. Why?
You drop all things that may retain water...and supps are one of those things. You need food, as its natural....but EXTRA protein isnt neccessary at that point. You also drop tanning, extra sodium, gear (2 weeks out)
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Alot of these guys , not all but alot are like dodgy used car salesmen , I wouldnt beleive anything they say :D
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Why is this? They say that they drop all *supplements*: protein shakes and whatever junk that they take etc, a week out. Why?
So they don't get water retention / bloating that they can cause.
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You drop all things that may retain water...and supps are one of those things. You need food, as its natural....but EXTRA protein isnt neccessary at that point. You also drop tanning, extra sodium, gear (2 weeks out)
Dropping gear 2wks out??
Dropping gh 2wks out yes but not run test prop,tren and winstrol upto 2days before show?
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Dropping gear 2wks out??
Dropping gh 2wks out yes but not run test prop,tren and winstrol upto 2days before show?
Yes that is normal protocol , maybe a typo from Bob.
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Dropping gear 2wks out??
Dropping gh 2wks out yes but not run test prop,tren and winstrol upto 2days before show?
Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
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Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
Fair point
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Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
are you saying you have experience with these "things", Robert?
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are you saying you have experience with these "things", Robert?
Robert has experience with many things and many things have experienced him :-X
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Robert has experience with many things and many things have experienced him :-X
Be careful, Ron doesn't like people talking about FBB like that. :-\
;D ;D
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Why is this? They say that they drop all *supplements*: protein shakes and whatever junk that they take etc, a week out. Why?
Dummy! The "pros" don't even use supplements. Over The Counter ones for that matter.
I spoke to alot of IFBB Pros over my journey (oh, brother!) and I can assure you that they don't use a single supplement. None of them do. Ever.
The secret is real food. All day, All the time.
- Block.
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Dummy! The "pros" don't even use supplements. Over The Counter ones for that matter.
I spoke to alot of IFBB Pros over my journey (oh, brother!) and I can assure you that they don't use a single supplement. None of them do. Ever.
The secret is real food. All day, All the time.
- Block.
that is not true, Bob Chick (BC) said that drugs are only the finishing touches and he sites a (Leucine, Arginine, BCAA, Pigeon Extract) mixture as his secret weapon for beating Rusty in the Masters.
and BC would never tell a lie
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that is not true, Bob Chick (BC) said that drugs are only the finishing touches and he sites a (Leucine, Arginine, BCAA, Pigeon Extract) mixture as his secret weapon for beating Rusty in the Masters.
and BC would never tell a lie
LMFAO!!
Thanks god, Humalog is available wothout prescription in California and Chick can also order tons of Trenbolone for his Cow farm.
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that is not true, Bob Chick (BC) said that drugs are only the finishing touches and he sites a (Leucine, Arginine, BCAA, Pigeon Extract) mixture as his secret weapon for beating Rusty in the Masters.
and BC would never tell a lie
LOL@Pigeon extract
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In other news, does anyone think it's total bullshit that the pros even take over the counter supplements?
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In other news, does anyone think it's total bullshit that the pros even take over the counter supplements?
It isn't bullshit because it's a straight fact. They don't.
The PROS I've been around and hung around with don't bother. One pro who used to be with XYZ Nutrition Company used to get a shipment of supps from them every month and he'd bring it to the gym and give it to me and some other dudes. One time I made a shake post workout (no homo!) and he even asked me if it even tasted good (no homo!). Thy don't bother.
Another PRO I used to train with...same thing. Never bothered. I used to go over to this person's crib and neversaw a single container, shaker cup or anything anywhere. Had a fridge full of steak and chicken breats, though.
- Block.
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Block has been around the block, so I can't argue with that fact, but I assume they(The Pros) use some kind of Supps in off season, at least?
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Block has been around the block, so I can't argue with that fact, but I assume they(The Pros) use some kind of Supps in off season, at least?
Thanks. I have no reason to lie about this.
One IFBB Pro I see around is currently OFF-SEASON preparing soon for an IFBB show in the spring, and I have never seen him pop a pill, talk about how this supplement is good or how he like taking this supplement or anything.
Post workout when he, myself and a couple other dudes are finished training while phags like me are carefully pouring our pre-measured mixture of whey isolate and waxy maize he is just sitting there discussing where to go eat at.
- Block.
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You dont need to drop steroids or gh two weeks out, suppliments yes cause the body does best with real food like Chick says, diuretics take care of any GH water.
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BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
are you saying that the pros are addicted to their bodybuilding drugs, and that deep down they know that their physiques are "all drugs?"
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Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
notice many times BB'ers have the "flu" or "battling a cold", makes you think how many times they had a bad reaction to a shot?
its probably more common than you think..
and on point of : only an idiot would take anything after that
Stavios should post thelink of the guy who competed at the Quebec Provincials this past July.
POP goes the shoulder! lol
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Boooo-fucking-OOOMMM !!!!!
http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html (http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html)
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Boooo-fucking-OOOMMM !!!!!
http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html (http://www.alexregnier.com/provincial092.html)
watch this bob it's not even 1 minute long
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watch this bob it's not even 1 minute long
You said over at Milos' board that he wasn't allowed back onstage, as well he'd drained like 30cc's of puss out of it the night before?
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You said over at Milos' board that he wasn't allowed back onstage, as well he'd drained like 30cc's of puss out of it the night before?
yop exactly !
pretty fucked up, don't know why he didn't go to the hospital instead of draining the puss by himself :-X
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Someone post the pic of Chick's injection site lump on his ass. Hard to believe that was a 2 week old injection. But who knows.
Chick saying steroids can't possibly do anything positive the last 2 weeks is a bit silly IMO. Some steroids can cause visible effects within a couple of days, which many bodybuilders feel are positive judging by the mirror. And the effects could be lost as quickly as well. Not many do this, but say you had only been on orals and Winstrol and Test suspension - not a good idea to have close to zero androgens in your system for that many days.
But if Chick had been running an *all script cycle* of Test Cyp and Nandrolone Dec and knowing he has a body that retains water and tends to look soft even with diuretics then his approach could certainly be a good one. :D
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KA-KA-BOOM !
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/executioner/2006masters_ngt_men51.jpg)
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Infection? I dont know what shit you guys are getting.
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Infection? I dont know what shit you guys are getting.
Underground dirty stuff
but not Chick, he had scripts
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Underground dirty stuff
but not Chick, he had scripts
Tom Prince had a nasty shoulder infection/abscess the year, or the year before he turned pro, as I recall him saying. Those script items sure are dirty. Perhaps this is why Chick avoids shooting close to a show.
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Underground dirty stuff
but not Chick, he had scripts
or just maybe these guys are using clean stuff but they're just dirty unsanitary mother fuckers.
and what ever happened to if you look good 2 wks out why change anything? how do u think someones system would react if they took out all androgens 2 wks before they stepped onstage, certainly not favourably........
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Thanks. I have no reason to lie about this.
One IFBB Pro I see around is currently OFF-SEASON preparing soon for an IFBB show in the spring, and I have never seen him pop a pill, talk about how this supplement is good or how he like taking this supplement or anything.
Post workout when he, myself and a couple other dudes are finished training while phags like me are carefully pouring our pre-measured mixture of whey isolate and waxy maize he is just sitting there discussing where to go eat at.
- Block.
Quoted for extreme motha fukin truth.
I know an IFBB pro or two and at the very most all they take is a whey protein that they get sent to them for free, other than that its the food in their fridge and the drugs in their medicine cabinets.
anyone is a fool to think that ronnie used no'xplode pwo or that dexter jackson uses any muscletech product LOL
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Obviously stopping taking gear 2 weeks wouldn't do shit i gather, because it will be still in there system.
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WOW 1st post from Chick that was 100% Truth.Nice work in the Honersty department Chick.
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Obviously stopping taking gear 2 weeks wouldn't do shit i gather, because it will be still in there system.
No leading into the show they change over to faster acting esters/orals/water based drugs..2 weeks off those drugs and I dont think your body will look its best, 2 days out is more like it.
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No leading into the show they change over to faster acting esters/orals/water based drugs..2 weeks off those drugs and I dont think your body will look its best, 2 days out is more like it.
Couldnt be more wrong...99% of the necesary diuretic use in the last 48 hrs is due to holding excess water from gear still in the system (and excess carbs as well)...both are unnecessary and counter-productive.
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Couldnt be more wrong...99% of the necesary diuretic use in the last 48 hrs is due to holding excess water from gear still in the system (and excess carbs as well)...both are unnecessary and counter-productive.
Chick gh15 recommended cutting out growth hormone 2 weeks before the show... is that something you have heard of other pros doing? So its pretty much going clean 2 weeks out?
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Chick gh15 recommended cutting out growth hormone 2 weeks before the show... is that something you have heard of other pros doing? So its pretty much going clean 2 weeks out?
Did you read my first post in the thread?
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Couldnt be more wrong...99% of the necesary diuretic use in the last 48 hrs is due to holding excess water from gear still in the system (and excess carbs as well)...both are unnecessary and counter-productive.
why all of this "hocus pocus" the last two weeks chic.
the diuretics, the sodium loading, the dropping of the gear, the carb loading, the shit loading, the magic pills, etc etc.
whatever happened to getting in shape, getting shredded conditioning, dry like cottonmouth, and hard as a porn stars cock? now guys cant come into a show inshape if their life depending on it ( just look at all this years pro qualifiers so far ).......i think alot of it has to do with this "hocus pocus" ppl now RELY on.
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why all of this "hocus pocus" the last two weeks chic.
the diuretics, the sodium loading, the dropping of the gear, the carb loading, the shit loading, the magic pills, etc etc.
whatever happened to getting in shape, getting shredded conditioning, dry like cottonmouth, and hard as a porn stars cock? now guys cant come into a show inshape if their life depending on it ( just look at all this years pro qualifiers so far ).......i think alot of it has to do with this "hocus pocus" ppl now RELY on.
Agreed....and one of the main reasons it took me so long to turn pro. the "smarter" I got, the worse I showed up....the KISS method certainly should apply to contest prep.
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Agreed....and one of the main reasons it took me so long to turn pro. the "smarter" I got, the worse I showed up....the KISS method certainly should apply to contest prep.
wow we finally agree on something............the re may be hope for you after all bob! ;)
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why all of this "hocus pocus" the last two weeks chic.
the diuretics, the sodium loading, the dropping of the gear, the carb loading, the shit loading, the magic pills, etc etc.
whatever happened to getting in shape, getting shredded conditioning, dry like cottonmouth, and hard as a porn stars cock? now guys cant come into a show inshape if their life depending on it ( just look at all this years pro qualifiers so far ).......i think alot of it has to do with this "hocus pocus" ppl now RELY on.
I think loading on slin is what we see nowadays
it fucked up the conditioning
guys try to get as big as possible and it hurts conditioning...I'm sure Jim will agree w/ me
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What about Robbie Robinson who took 1 shot (or was it 1 1/2 shots?) just before a show and it transformed him to win?
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Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
partly true.Nolvadex or Arimidex has to be in till end or even after the show.
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Im no "Dr. Phil" but
stay "on" even the day of the show. claims as of droping them are plain bulshit. if you keep the depletion-carb up in check and know your body you wont "hold water". and it also depends on your genetics if you hold water or not.
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Im no "Dr. Phil" but
stay "on" even the day of the show. claims as of droping them are plain bulshit. if you keep the depletion-carb up in check and know your body you wont "hold water". and it also depends on your genetics if you hold water or not.
very true
genetics are paramount
somepeople can get dry as fuck some can't ... whatever mommy nature gave you
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Couldnt be more wrong...99% of the necesary diuretic use in the last 48 hrs is due to holding excess water from gear still in the system (and excess carbs as well)...both are unnecessary and counter-productive.
You looked good but you never had that real crisp conditioning. Maybe the year you turned pro. Do you think you should've stopped the gear even further out or did you just not get real lean? If it was water by your reasoning you still had too much gear in your system.
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I think loading on slin is what we see nowadays
it fucked up the conditioning
guys try to get as big as possible and it hurts conditioning...I'm sure Jim will agree w/ me
very true, i know jim recommends against taking insulin, and also has his guys stay as lean as possible in the offseason.
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You drop all things that may retain water...and supps are one of those things. You need food, as its natural....but EXTRA protein isnt neccessary at that point. You also drop tanning, extra sodium, gear (2 weeks out)
Yeah, 2 WEEKS...only an idiot would take anything after that....there certainly is no benefit, and ALL steroids/GH retain water, even the water based...that said...why risk infection, or any adverse reaction that close to the show? Nothing will be of any benefit other than a diuretic (which has its own list of problems)
BBers take stuff up to the show, because they need it for their HEAD, not their body...
thats what you do, not what everyone does, and certainly not what is optimal.
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Quoted for extreme motha fukin truth.
I know an IFBB pro or two and at the very most all they take is a whey protein that they get sent to them for free, other than that its the food in their fridge and the drugs in their medicine cabinets.
anyone is a fool to think that ronnie used no'xplode pwo or that dexter jackson uses any muscletech product LOL
Of course nobody thinks he took no xplode pwo! He used PRE-workout for massive pumps it gives!!! ;D